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  128. # [18:02] <Julian> There's http://www.web-irc.org/
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  131. # [18:03] <paulc> Yes but putting the IRC info into IRC does not work for someone not on IRC :<)
  132. # [18:03] <mjs> good morning everyone
  133. # [18:03] * kliehm zakim, who's on the phone?
  134. # [18:04] <rubys> rrsagent, start meeting
  135. # [18:04] <rubys> invite rrsagent
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  137. # [18:04] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/01/28-html-wg-irc
  138. # [18:04] <rubys> rrsagent, start meting
  139. # [18:04] <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'start meting', rubys. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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  141. # [18:04] <rubys> rrsagent, start meeting
  142. # [18:04] <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'start meeting', rubys. Try /msg RRSAgent help
  143. # [18:04] <kliehm> trackbot, start meeting
  144. # [18:04] * trackbot is starting a teleconference
  145. # [18:04] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  146. # [18:04] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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  148. # [18:04] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be HTML
  149. # [18:04] <Zakim> HTML matches both HTML_WG()12:00PM and WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM
  150. # [18:04] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  151. # [18:04] <trackbot> Date: 28 January 2010
  152. # [18:05] * kliehm zakim, who's on the phone?
  153. # [18:05] * Zakim sorry, kliehm, I don't know what conference this is
  154. # [18:05] * Zakim sees on irc: MichaelC, RRSAgent, mjs, krisk, rubys, johns, adrianba, masinter, paulc, MikeSmith, Laura, kliehm, miketaylr, gavin_, tlr, webben, Julian, Lachy, ROBOd, paul_irish,
  155. # [18:05] <rubys> zakim, this will be html_wg
  156. # [18:05] * Zakim ... shepazu, hober, tH, krijnh, Dashiva, karl, CIA-1, jmb, ed_work, drry, Yudai, Shunsuke, gavin, Philip, gsnedders, inimino, hsivonen, jgraham, syp, Hixie, trackbot, matt
  157. # [18:05] <Zakim> ok, rubys, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
  158. # [18:05] * MichaelC zakim, this is html_wg
  159. # [18:05] * Zakim MichaelC, this was already HTML_WG()12:00PM
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  161. # [18:05] * Zakim ok, MichaelC; that matches HTML_WG()12:00PM
  162. # [18:05] <Zakim> +Matt
  163. # [18:05] * MichaelC zakim, call cooper-mit
  164. # [18:05] * Zakim ok, MichaelC; the call is being made
  165. # [18:05] <Julian> zakim, who's on the phone?
  166. # [18:05] <Zakim> +Cooper
  167. # [18:05] <Zakim> On the phone I see Masinter, [Microsoft], Radhika_Roy, Julian, [Microsoft.a], +1.613.998.aaaa, Scott+AT&T, +49.699.435.aabb, Radhika_Roy.a, Matt, Cooper (muted)
  168. # [18:05] <janina> zakim, call janina
  169. # [18:05] <Zakim> ok, janina; the call is being made
  170. # [18:05] <Zakim> +Janina
  171. # [18:06] * MichaelC zakim, drop cooper
  172. # [18:06] * Zakim Cooper is being disconnected
  173. # [18:06] <Zakim> -Cooper
  174. # [18:06] * MichaelC zakim, call cooper-mit
  175. # [18:06] <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike
  176. # [18:06] * Zakim ok, MichaelC; the call is being made
  177. # [18:06] <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft.a] has adrianba, krisk, franko, jmann
  178. # [18:06] <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
  179. # [18:06] <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
  180. # [18:06] <mjs> I'l be dialed in shortly, havng minor phone difficulties
  181. # [18:06] <Zakim> +Cooper
  182. # [18:06] <Zakim> +Mike
  183. # [18:06] <Zakim> +Sam
  184. # [18:06] <Zakim> +adrianba, krisk, franko, jmann; got it
  185. # [18:06] <Zakim> +paulc; got it
  186. # [18:06] <paulc> [Microsoft] has paulc
  187. # [18:06] <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
  188. # [18:07] * Parts: matt (Adium@128.30.52.30)
  189. # [18:09] <paulc> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2010JanMar/0008.html
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  191. # [18:09] <paulc> does someone want to volunteer to scribe?
  192. # [18:10] <paulc> zakim, who's on the phone?
  193. # [18:10] <Zakim> On the phone I see Masinter, [Microsoft], Radhika_Roy, Julian, [Microsoft.a], +1.613.998.aaaa, Scott+AT&T, +49.699.435.aabb, Radhika_Roy.a, Matt, Cooper, Janina, Sam, Mike,
  194. # [18:10] <Zakim> ... Cynthia_Shelly
  195. # [18:10] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc
  196. # [18:10] <Zakim> [Microsoft.a] has adrianba, krisk, franko, jmann
  197. # [18:10] <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft.a] has tross
  198. # [18:10] <Zakim> +tross; got it
  199. # [18:10] <Zakim> + +1.415.595.aacc
  200. # [18:11] * rubys waves
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  202. # [18:11] <Zakim> - +49.699.435.aabb
  203. # [18:11] <mjs> Zakim: pick a scribe
  204. # [18:11] <rubys> zakim, pick a scribe
  205. # [18:11] <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose +1.415.595.aacc
  206. # [18:12] <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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  208. # [18:12] <rubys> zakim, pick a scribe
  209. # [18:12] <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Radhika_Roy.a
  210. # [18:12] <mjs> zakim, pick a scribe
  211. # [18:12] <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose tross
  212. # [18:12] * kliehm zakim, ipcaller is me
  213. # [18:12] * Zakim +kliehm; got it
  214. # [18:12] <Zakim> + +1.206.850.aadd
  215. # [18:13] * kliehm zakim, who's on the phone?
  216. # [18:13] * Zakim sees on the phone: Masinter, [Microsoft], Radhika_Roy, Julian, [Microsoft.a], +1.613.998.aaaa, Scott+AT&T, Radhika_Roy.a, Matt, Cooper, Janina, Sam, Mike, Cynthia_Shelly,
  217. # [18:13] <adrianba> scribenick: adrianba
  218. # [18:13] * Zakim ... +1.415.595.aacc, kliehm, +1.206.850.aadd
  219. # [18:13] * Zakim [Microsoft] has paulc
  220. # [18:13] <Eliot_Graff> zakim, 1.206.850.aadd is me
  221. # [18:13] * Zakim [Microsoft.a] has tross
  222. # [18:13] <Zakim> sorry, Eliot_Graff, I do not recognize a party named '1.206.850.aadd'
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  224. # [18:13] <mjs> zakim, who is making noise?
  225. # [18:13] * kliehm zakim, mute me
  226. # [18:13] * Zakim kliehm should now be muted
  227. # [18:13] <Zakim> mjs, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Mike (20%)
  228. # [18:13] <Eliot_Graff> zakim, +1.206.850.aadd is me
  229. # [18:13] <Zakim> +Eliot_Graff; got it
  230. # [18:13] <adrianba> topic: ACTION items due by Thu Jan 28
  231. # [18:13] <MikeSmith> Zakim, Mike is me
  232. # [18:13] <Zakim> +MikeSmith; got it
  233. # [18:13] <adrianba> ACTION-29?
  234. # [18:13] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-29
  235. # [18:13] <trackbot> ACTION-29 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to follow up on the idea of a free-software-compatible license for a note on HTML authoring -- due 2010-01-28 -- OPEN
  236. # [18:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/29
  237. # [18:14] <MikeSmith> Zakim, mute me
  238. # [18:14] <Zakim> MikeSmith should now be muted
  239. # [18:14] <adrianba> mjs: plh on vacation so not going to give an update
  240. # [18:14] <MikeSmith> Zakim, unmute me
  241. # [18:14] <Zakim> MikeSmith should no longer be muted
  242. # [18:14] <adrianba> paulc: PSIG prepared FAQ for March AC meeting
  243. # [18:15] <Zakim> +Laura
  244. # [18:15] <adrianba> ...believe W3C plans to do survey of membership before meeting mar 22/23
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  246. # [18:15] <adrianba> ...discuss results then
  247. # [18:15] <adrianba> mjs: when plh is back can fill in details
  248. # [18:15] <MikeSmith> MikeSmith concurs with Paul's summary
  249. # [18:15] <adrianba> ACTION-138?
  250. # [18:15] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-138
  251. # [18:15] <trackbot> ACTION-138 -- Steve Faulkner to produce an ARIA matrix based on Henri's work -- due 2010-01-14 -- OPEN
  252. # [18:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/138
  253. # [18:15] <paulc> Philippe is actively working on ACTION-29
  254. # [18:15] <paulc> PSIG is discussing this actively.
  255. # [18:16] <adrianba> janina: could we leave this with the TF
  256. # [18:16] <adrianba> mjs: need deadline and responsible party to report back at deadline
  257. # [18:16] <paulc> Could this one be subsumed by ACTION-170?
  258. # [18:16] <masinter> action-170?
  259. # [18:16] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-170
  260. # [18:16] <trackbot> ACTION-170 -- Michael(tm) Smith to update A11Y timeline for tracker related issues -- due 2010-01-28 -- OPEN
  261. # [18:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/170
  262. # [18:16] <adrianba> janina: could be added to 170, yes
  263. # [18:17] <masinter> action-170 says it is Michael(tm) Smith, not Janina
  264. # [18:17] <masinter> got it
  265. # [18:17] <adrianba> paulc: this is just a zakim issue - action states it belongs to janina
  266. # [18:18] <adrianba> mjs: let's table discussion for now until 170 complete
  267. # [18:18] <paulc> We0 could consider making ACTION-138 part of ACTION-17
  268. # [18:18] <adrianba> ACTION-168?
  269. # [18:18] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-168
  270. # [18:18] <trackbot> ACTION-168 -- Michael(tm) Smith to prepare H:TML for First Public Working Draft -- due 2010-01-28 -- OPEN
  271. # [18:18] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/168
  272. # [18:18] <adrianba> mjs: this is the document discussed with TAG who are interested in having published
  273. # [18:19] <adrianba> ...should change status to be non-normative
  274. # [18:19] <paulc> I think MikeSmith is muted
  275. # [18:19] <adrianba> ...because of prior discussions
  276. # [18:19] <adrianba> mikesmith: ready to go
  277. # [18:19] <adrianba> ...just need to know what to do next
  278. # [18:19] <adrianba> mjs: post on mailing list and say that
  279. # [18:19] <adrianba> ...have document to nominate as FPWD
  280. # [18:19] <MikeSmith> http://dev.w3.org/html5/markup/
  281. # [18:19] <adrianba> ...chairs will issue cfc when discussion settles down
  282. # [18:20] <MikeSmith> q?
  283. # [18:20] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  284. # [18:20] <adrianba> paulc: is it so close to publication we could consider publishing with next round of heartbeat docs
  285. # [18:20] <adrianba> mikesmith: up to you - don't want this to hold up other docs
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  287. # [18:20] <masinter> the opinions about "heartbeat" documents are individual, not linked
  288. # [18:20] <adrianba> ...if no objections, would be great to publish alongside
  289. # [18:20] <paulc> Thanks for the explanation.
  290. # [18:21] <adrianba> mjs: will be discussing individual so should consider being in same set
  291. # [18:21] <adrianba> mikesmith: okay, will announce today with intention to publish alongside other docs
  292. # [18:21] <adrianba> ACTION-170?
  293. # [18:21] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-170
  294. # [18:21] <trackbot> ACTION-170 -- Michael(tm) Smith to update A11Y timeline for tracker related issues -- due 2010-01-28 -- OPEN
  295. # [18:21] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/170
  296. # [18:21] <paulc> When Mike does the announcement one of the chairs will close ACTION-168
  297. # [18:21] <Zakim> +cardona507
  298. # [18:21] <adrianba> mjs: can we have a status update?
  299. # [18:22] <cardona507> Zakim, mute me
  300. # [18:22] <Zakim> cardona507 should now be muted
  301. # [18:22] <adrianba> janina: short update is we believe will be finished by end of june
  302. # [18:22] <adrianba> ...have looked at various 90+ bugs on html5 with kw a11y
  303. # [18:22] <adrianba> ...looked at grouping into topics that could have change proposals
  304. # [18:22] <adrianba> ...such as alt summary title display
  305. # [18:23] <adrianba> ...tentatively approved by tf as meaningful way to proceed
  306. # [18:23] <adrianba> ...might need sub-teams
  307. # [18:23] <adrianba> ...haven't yet got specific about timelines
  308. # [18:23] <adrianba> ...some of issues such as canvas - expect report at end of feb
  309. # [18:23] <adrianba> ...video like that
  310. # [18:23] <adrianba> ...concerned that not further along
  311. # [18:23] <adrianba> ...these both need engineering
  312. # [18:24] <adrianba> ...have 10 topic areas
  313. # [18:24] <Laura> Bugs Proposed to be Accepted by the A11y TF
  314. # [18:24] <Laura> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Bugs/accepted
  315. # [18:24] <Laura> Bugs Proposed to be Rejected by the A11y TF
  316. # [18:24] <Laura> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Bugs/rejected
  317. # [18:24] <adrianba> ...might not need to take up all of them
  318. # [18:24] <adrianba> ...wai might pick up some
  319. # [18:24] <adrianba> ...didn't get as far with scoping as hoped but general agreement on these
  320. # [18:24] <adrianba> ...2 per month takes us to june
  321. # [18:25] <adrianba> ...working on drafting consensus process - approved today
  322. # [18:25] <adrianba> ...this pushed summary back one week
  323. # [18:25] <adrianba> ...looking at list of 10, actively working on half already
  324. # [18:25] <Laura> proposed consensus document: http://www.w3.org/wai/pf/html/consensus-procedures.html
  325. # [18:25] <adrianba> mjs: sounds good, useful update
  326. # [18:25] <adrianba> ...when will be a good time to give update on timeline?
  327. # [18:25] <adrianba> janina: end of each month?
  328. # [18:26] <adrianba> mjs: sooner if possible, on these 10 areas some already have been escalated to issues
  329. # [18:26] <adrianba> ...some may have not yet so if there is at least one bug in each category finding time to decide if you want to escalate would be good
  330. # [18:26] <Laura> Accessibility Change Proposal Status: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Accessibility_Change_Proposal_Status
  331. # [18:26] <adrianba> ...to get these into html wg tracker
  332. # [18:26] <adrianba> janina: each of the 10 do have bugs
  333. # [18:27] <adrianba> ...we going through the areas and identifying the list of bugs
  334. # [18:27] <adrianba> ...we can do that
  335. # [18:27] <paulc> Could you also give us at least the two first areas to come back to the WG?
  336. # [18:27] <Zakim> -kliehm
  337. # [18:27] <adrianba> michael: might be able to have first draft by next week but these things take longer so 2 weeks is better
  338. # [18:28] <adrianba> mjs: 2 weeks sounds good
  339. # [18:28] <adrianba> ACTION-172?
  340. # [18:28] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-172
  341. # [18:28] <trackbot> ACTION-172 -- Larry Masinter to insure Change Proposal for ISSUE-4 (versioning) also covers ISSUE-84 (legacy doctype) -- due 2010-02-10 -- OPEN
  342. # [18:28] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/172
  343. # [18:28] <Laura> Proposal on categories for bugs http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Jan/0246.html
  344. # [18:28] <adrianba> mjs: larry requested extension which was granted - skipping over this
  345. # [18:28] <masinter> I sent some additional comments which we could discuss on the list
  346. # [18:28] <adrianba> Topic: Update on new drafts
  347. # [18:28] <adrianba> mjs: we'd like to publish new round of WD
  348. # [18:29] <adrianba> ...only remaining blocker is ian making revisions to microdata draft
  349. # [18:29] <adrianba> ...to be more standalone
  350. # [18:29] <Zakim> + +49.179.103.aaee
  351. # [18:29] <adrianba> ...and address those objections from first call about being separate from html5
  352. # [18:29] * kliehm zakim, aaee is me
  353. # [18:29] * Zakim +kliehm; got it
  354. # [18:29] <adrianba> ...held up by technical issues
  355. # [18:29] <adrianba> ...will get status update later today - maybe additional week
  356. # [18:30] <adrianba> ...that is our only blocker
  357. # [18:30] <adrianba> ...want this done asap
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  359. # [18:30] * Julian wonders why we're not publishing the other drafts first...
  360. # [18:30] <adrianba> masinter: made comments about rdfa that manu might not have done yet
  361. # [18:30] <adrianba> mjs: thinks manu said he has done this
  362. # [18:30] * mjs Julian, we'll go with that if we have to
  363. # [18:30] <adrianba> masinter: not convinced microdata is in scope - not sure how that has been addressed
  364. # [18:31] <adrianba> mjs: fine to mention that again at time of cfc if you believe it hasn't been fully addressed
  365. # [18:32] <adrianba> masinter: will send to the list about this
  366. # [18:32] <adrianba> topic: Call for Proposals that close by Thu Jan 28
  367. # [18:32] <adrianba> ISSUE-81?
  368. # [18:32] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-81
  369. # [18:32] <trackbot> ISSUE-81 -- Offline Web Applications section should use the term "representation" instead of "resource" -- RAISED
  370. # [18:32] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/81
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  372. # [18:32] <adrianba> mjs: roy won't have time to start soon
  373. # [18:32] <adrianba> ...week of extra time in case anyone else wanted to pick this up
  374. # [18:32] <adrianba> ...seems like no one has volunteered
  375. # [18:33] <adrianba> ...so we're going to close without prejudice
  376. # [18:33] <adrianba> ...doesn't mean nothing can ever happen but someone would need to do change proposal work to reopen for consideration
  377. # [18:33] <adrianba> ...chairs tried to find volunteer but we don't have anyone yet
  378. # [18:33] * Zakim hears Masinter's hand up
  379. # [18:33] * Zakim sees Masinter on the speaker queue
  380. # [18:33] <adrianba> masinter: TAG discussion on what the wording might be - mail on this in the last week
  381. # [18:34] <adrianba> ...if i bring it up in tag this morning could we wait until tomorrow
  382. # [18:34] <adrianba> mjs: sure
  383. # [18:34] * kliehm zakim, mute me
  384. # [18:34] * Zakim kliehm should now be muted
  385. # [18:34] <adrianba> ...let's do that - extra day for tag consideration otherwise closed tomorrow
  386. # [18:34] <adrianba> topic: New Calls for Proposals this Week
  387. # [18:34] <adrianba> mjs: shelley accepted to do these by mar 1
  388. # [18:35] <mjs> s/mar 1 / mar 31/
  389. # [18:35] <adrianba> ...we do have 1 volunteer for each but if someone else wants to as well that would be fine
  390. # [18:35] <adrianba> ISSUE-93?
  391. # [18:35] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-93
  392. # [18:35] <trackbot> ISSUE-93 -- Delete Details Element -- RAISED
  393. # [18:35] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/93
  394. # [18:35] <adrianba> ISSUE-94?
  395. # [18:35] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-94
  396. # [18:35] <trackbot> ISSUE-94 -- Split Web Application Core and UA specific elements into separate spec -- RAISED
  397. # [18:35] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/94
  398. # [18:35] <adrianba> ISSUE-96?
  399. # [18:35] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-96
  400. # [18:35] <trackbot> ISSUE-96 -- Remove/Discard the Progress Element -- RAISED
  401. # [18:35] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/96
  402. # [18:35] <adrianba> ISSUE-97?
  403. # [18:35] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-97
  404. # [18:35] <trackbot> ISSUE-97 -- Remove/Discard the Meter Element -- RAISED
  405. # [18:35] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/97
  406. # [18:36] <adrianba> mjs: if anyone cares about these and wants to pursue them and help shelley you can do so
  407. # [18:36] <adrianba> mjs: questons?
  408. # [18:36] <adrianba> topic: Issues To Move Forward On
  409. # [18:36] <adrianba> mjs: chairs identified 3 issues to move on and hopefully resolve quickly
  410. # [18:36] <adrianba> iSSUE-83?
  411. # [18:36] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-83
  412. # [18:36] <trackbot> ISSUE-83 -- Use of the dt and dd elements in figure and details content models -- OPEN
  413. # [18:36] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/83
  414. # [18:37] <adrianba> mjs: multiple change proposals and discussion
  415. # [18:37] <adrianba> ...almost come to consensus agreement
  416. # [18:37] <adrianba> ...minor sticking point about name
  417. # [18:37] <adrianba> ...final chance to remove objections about summary or dsummary
  418. # [18:38] <adrianba> ...will revise change proposal and let other chairs decide if necessary
  419. # [18:38] <adrianba> ...they will probably make a cfc or maybe a poll
  420. # [18:38] <adrianba> ...should have this settled in a week or two
  421. # [18:38] <adrianba> issue-66?
  422. # [18:38] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-66
  423. # [18:38] <trackbot> ISSUE-66 -- image analysis heuristics -- OPEN
  424. # [18:38] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/66
  425. # [18:38] <adrianba> mjs: had a change proposal to remove the para referencing user agents doing image analysis for images lacking alt
  426. # [18:39] <adrianba> ...some discussion on this - could be removed, maybe add statement allowing UA to do this and refer to UA a11y guidelines
  427. # [18:39] <adrianba> ...hoping we can reach consensus on this
  428. # [18:39] <adrianba> ...if not we'll ask for counter proposals
  429. # [18:39] <adrianba> issue-27?
  430. # [18:39] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-27
  431. # [18:39] <trackbot> ISSUE-27 -- @rel value ownership, registry consideration -- OPEN
  432. # [18:39] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/27
  433. # [18:39] <adrianba> mjs: change proposal to use registry for rel
  434. # [18:40] <adrianba> ...believe objections have been addressed
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  436. # [18:40] <adrianba> ...if there isn't anything else soon then expect to just cfc on this or ask editor to just make changes
  437. # [18:40] <adrianba> ...these are 3 to focus on now, as these are closed out will move on others
  438. # [18:40] <adrianba> mjs: questions or comments?
  439. # [18:41] <adrianba> topic: New Issues This Week
  440. # [18:41] <adrianba> issue-99?
  441. # [18:41] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-99
  442. # [18:41] <trackbot> ISSUE-99 -- meta/@scheme missing -- RAISED
  443. # [18:41] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/99
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  445. # [18:41] <Julian> q+
  446. # [18:41] * Zakim sees Masinter, Julian on the speaker queue
  447. # [18:41] <adrianba> mjs: julian raised this based on bugzilla pending bug
  448. # [18:41] <masinter> q?
  449. # [18:41] * Zakim sees Masinter, Julian on the speaker queue
  450. # [18:41] <masinter> q-
  451. # [18:41] * Zakim sees Julian on the speaker queue
  452. # [18:41] <Laura> HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference Minutes:
  453. # [18:41] <Laura> http://www.w3.org/2010/01/28-html-a11y-minutes.html
  454. # [18:41] <mjs> q+
  455. # [18:41] * Zakim sees Julian, mjs on the speaker queue
  456. # [18:42] <adrianba> julian: this is one of many issues that could be opened about things that have been removed from html4
  457. # [18:42] <adrianba> ...related to other issue about media type registration
  458. # [18:42] <adrianba> ...which was moved to other product
  459. # [18:42] * masinter wonders what other product ?
  460. # [18:43] <adrianba> ...general issue is that spec changes media registration to point to html5 and potentially makes existing conforming documents non-conforming
  461. # [18:43] <adrianba> ...this might not be the most important but we have others
  462. # [18:43] <adrianba> ...at some point we'll need to decide what to do here
  463. # [18:43] <adrianba> mjs: we should discuss on mailing list
  464. # [18:43] <adrianba> topic: task force reports
  465. # [18:43] <adrianba> mjs: we have already heard from a11y task force
  466. # [18:43] <krisk> Group met as planned on 1/26
  467. # [18:44] <adrianba> krisk: update on testing tf
  468. # [18:44] <krisk> Meeting notes -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2010Jan/0011.html
  469. # [18:44] <adrianba> ...met as planned on 1/26
  470. # [18:44] <adrianba> ...4 new action items
  471. # [18:44] <krisk> #1 Complete submission for window security tests (Sec 5.3.1) http://www.w3.org/html/wg/test/track/actions/5
  472. # [18:44] <krisk> #2 Create Initial/Example set ref test for HTML5 Test Suite http://www.w3.org/html/wg/test/track/actions/6
  473. # [18:44] <krisk> #3 Gather content sniffing parser tests http://www.w3.org/html/wg/test/track/actions/7
  474. # [18:44] <adrianba> ...if someone wants to volunteer for submitting reference tests that would be good
  475. # [18:44] <krisk> Create initial set of tests (css, dom functionality) that are needed for running test cases http://www.w3.org/html/wg/test/track/actions/8
  476. # [18:45] <adrianba> ...coming back in 2 weeks with update
  477. # [18:45] <masinter> note that content sniffing IETF draft was updated independently
  478. # [18:46] <adrianba> mjs: meeting adjourned
  479. # [18:46] <Zakim> -Masinter
  480. # [18:47] <Zakim> -Matt
  481. # [18:47] <Laura> bye
  482. # [18:47] <Zakim> -Eliot_Graff
  483. # [18:47] <Zakim> -Radhika_Roy.a
  484. # [18:47] <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
  485. # [18:47] <Zakim> -Sam
  486. # [18:47] <Zakim> - +1.415.595.aacc
  487. # [18:47] <Zakim> - +1.613.998.aaaa
  488. # [18:47] <Zakim> -Cooper
  489. # [18:47] <Zakim> -Radhika_Roy
  490. # [18:47] <Zakim> -Julian
  491. # [18:47] <cardona507> goodbye
  492. # [18:47] <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
  493. # [18:47] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/01/28-html-wg-minutes.html MikeSmith
  494. # [18:47] <Zakim> -Janina
  495. # [18:47] <Zakim> -kliehm
  496. # [18:47] <Zakim> -Scott+AT&T
  497. # [18:47] <Zakim> -cardona507
  498. # [18:47] <paulc> We need to change ACTION-170 date to Feb 11
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  500. # [18:47] <Zakim> -Laura
  501. # [18:47] <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make logs public
  502. # [18:47] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, MikeSmith
  503. # [18:47] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
  504. # [18:47] <paulc> We also need to decide what to do with ACTION-138
  505. # [18:47] <masinter> action-138?
  506. # [18:47] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-138
  507. # [18:47] <trackbot> ACTION-138 -- Steve Faulkner to produce an ARIA matrix based on Henri's work -- due 2010-01-14 -- OPEN
  508. # [18:47] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/138
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  511. # [18:48] <masinter> thought we were going to discuss F2F?
  512. # [18:48] <Zakim> -MikeSmith
  513. # [18:48] <paulc> I think we agreed to subsume 138 under 170
  514. # [18:48] <paulc> Do did I.
  515. # [18:48] <paulc> But I was not chairing and agenda arrived late for me.
  516. # [18:48] <paulc> And I travelled 555km this morning before the mtg started.
  517. # [18:49] <masinter> hope my comments were helpful :)
  518. # [18:49] <MikeSmith> mjs: ?
  519. # [18:49] <paulc> Yes, I read them this morning. good points.
  520. # [18:49] <masinter> just thinking about the origin header discussion at TPAC having a lot of noise but making headway
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  524. # [18:51] <mjs> MikeSmith: yes?
  525. # [18:52] <masinter> one way to make progress on F2F discussion is to come up with possible agenda of issues and presenters...
  526. # [18:52] <MikeSmith> masinter was wondering why we didn't discuss the f2f meeting
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  528. # [18:54] <mjs> MikeSmith: I forgot to put it on the agenda and my co-chairs neglected to remind me
  529. # [18:55] <mjs> we'll try to put it on the next telecon agenda
  530. # [18:55] <MikeSmith> OK
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  532. # [19:04] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  533. # [19:04] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  534. # [19:04] <Zakim> Attendees were Masinter, Radhika_Roy, Julian, +1.613.998.aaaa, Scott+AT&T, +49.699.435.aabb, Matt, Cooper, Janina, Sam, adrianba, krisk, franko, jmann, paulc, Cynthia_Shelly,
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The end :)