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  49. # [14:39] * Topic is 'Pursuing conformance solutions for the N-body gravitational system known as "the Web", and in general, collectively performing various acts of unparalleled hubris (This channel is logged: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/)'
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  60. # [15:56] <Julian> anne, yt?
  61. # [15:59] <anne> somewhat
  62. # [15:59] <anne> i'm leaning towards getting more food
  63. # [15:59] <Julian> deflate domstring -> byte
  64. # [15:59] <Julian> ...
  65. # [15:59] <anne> #$@
  66. # [15:59] <Julian> What about what-are-they-called...
  67. # [15:59] <Julian> plane 1 characters?
  68. # [16:00] <anne> the algorithm is generic
  69. # [16:00] <anne> restrictions on DOMString input are imposed elsewhere
  70. # [16:01] <Julian> acl
  71. # [16:01] <Julian> ack
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  76. # [16:13] <anne> Julian, I thought you told me HTTP productions are at the byte level
  77. # [16:13] <anne> Julian, how can byte level productions every work for character strings
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  80. # [16:18] <anne> s/every/ever/
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  82. # [16:21] <Julian> did I?
  83. # [16:21] <Julian> wait
  84. # [16:23] <Julian> what IETF ABNF specifies depends on context
  85. # [16:23] <Julian> in HTTP it doesn't matter a lot
  86. # [16:23] <Julian> as the mapping between ISO-8859-1 bytes and characters is one-to-one
  87. # [16:23] <anne> that sounds vague
  88. # [16:24] <Julian> I don't see any problem in saying that a string needs to match a certain RFC 2616 production
  89. # [16:24] <anne> I think I rather keep it the way I have it
  90. # [16:24] <Julian> If you really think that's a problem then just state how to match it once
  91. # [16:27] <anne> I thought of abstracting it out, wasn't quite sure why because in one case there's no exception
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  97. # [17:52] <anne> where's mikesmith?
  98. # [17:52] <anne> I like it how he used a page for each element
  99. # [17:52] <anne> time to beat w3schools
  100. # [17:52] <anne> or some such
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  102. # [18:15] <jgraham> anne: You seem to have set a precedent of +1 on public-html
  103. # [18:19] <anne> :evil:
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  115. # [21:24] <DanC> ugh... fired up separate browser (chrome) to look at single-page html 5 spec... but copy/paste is kinda goofy... ended up pasting bzigabytes into an email message, which makes evolution unhappy... ah! it's back...
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  117. # [21:25] <anne> hey DanC
  118. # [21:25] <anne> I think it is the intent to make older versions of HTML invalid
  119. # [21:25] <anne> i.e. make HTML versionless
  120. # [21:26] <anne> some older DOCTYPEs are allowed though
  121. # [21:26] <anne> though with warnings
  122. # [21:26] <anne> (iirc)
  123. # [21:26] <DanC> hmm... then Henry and I misread the spec.
  124. # [21:26] <DanC> show me where those doctypes are allowed in the HTML syntax?
  125. # [21:28] <anne> they're referenced in 12.1
  126. # [21:28] <anne> a bug might have been filed about making the situation more explicit
  127. # [21:28] <anne> they're called "obsolete permitted DOCTYPEs"
  128. # [21:29] <anne> HTML 4.0, HTML 4.01, XHTML 1.0, and XHTML 1.1
  129. # [21:29] <DanC> 12.1? http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html only goes to 11
  130. # [21:29] <anne> only strict versions (when applicable)
  131. # [21:29] <anne> 10.1 in that version :)
  132. # [21:30] <DanC> ah. indeed. Henry misread the spec and I believed him. Or perhaps the "obsolete permitted DOCTYPE" stuff is newer than Henry's reading.
  133. # [21:33] <DanC> henry's msg was 2 Dec
  134. # [21:33] <anne> well, it's not pointed out from the syntax section, which is somewhat confusing I guess
  135. # [21:33] <anne> but it's been there for a while
  136. # [21:33] <DanC> what's an easy way to find out when "obsolete permitted DOCTYPEs" got added?
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  140. # [21:37] <DanC> wow... svn annotate is taking a boatload of CPU
  141. # [21:38] <anne> http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=3378&to=3379
  142. # [21:38] <anne> but that's not the initial one...
  143. # [21:39] * DanC can't find a date on that tracker page
  144. # [21:39] <anne> oh, the check in before seems to do it
  145. # [21:39] <anne> http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=3377&to=3378
  146. # [21:40] <anne> hmm yeah, zcorpan submitted a fix for that
  147. # [21:40] <anne> guess I should implement it
  148. # [21:40] <anne> 2009-07-08 08:21
  149. # [21:40] <DanC> r3379 | ianh | 2009-07-08 03:41:57 -0500 (Wed, 08 Jul 2009) | 1 line
  150. # [21:40] <anne> and 2009-07-08 08:41 for the first
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  157. # [23:37] <DanC> is the application cache stuff expected to stay in the HTML 5 spec? I lose track of which bits are migrating to webapps
  158. # [23:39] <anne> I think so, yes
  159. # [23:39] <anne> though someone might have requested removal too
  160. # [23:40] <anne> prolly every new section has some removal request attached to it o_O
  161. # [23:42] <DanC> ah. found the WG decision... wierd... LocalStorage is out but Application Cache is in. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Aug/0699.html
  162. # [23:43] <anne> not too weird
  163. # [23:43] <anne> appcache is way more intertwined
  164. # [23:43] <DanC> I'll have to take your word for it.
  165. # [23:46] <anne> well, there's <html manifest>
  166. # [23:46] <anne> which is tied to HTML parser
  167. # [23:46] <anne> and navigation ties in with it as well
  168. # [23:47] <DanC> that's evidently the way it is; that's not the only design I can think of, though. But I guess the design discussion happened a while ago.
  169. # [23:47] <anne> agreed
  170. # [23:48] <anne> don't think there was a design discussion
  171. # [23:48] <anne> tbh the people who implemented this in Opera would have preferred all the appcache bits together
  172. # [23:48] <anne> or at least pointers to the bits defined in other sections
  173. # [23:49] <DanC> who moved first? mozilla?
  174. # [23:52] <anne> either them or WebKit
  175. # [23:52] <anne> it's been a while
  176. # [23:52] <anne> I recall a lot of feedback from WebKit
  177. # [23:52] * DanC nods
  178. # [23:52] <Hixie> i thought i'd added pointers
  179. # [23:53] <Hixie> if you click the definitions, it lists all the places that mention the term
  180. # [23:54] <anne> that doesn't work in all views / browsers though
  181. # [23:54] <anne> and it's non-obvious
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