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  1. # Session Start: Tue Feb 02 00:00:00 2010
  2. # Session Ident: #html-wg
  3. # [00:02] <DanC> that list of places deely has been handy a couple times, Hixie ; but I wonder if it's misleading me in one case... it says "no mentions found" or something like that regarding dereferencing javascript:
  4. # [00:02] <DanC> this is using chrome on ubuntu
  5. # [00:02] <DanC> 4.0.249.43
  6. # [00:02] <Hixie> which section?
  7. # [00:03] <DanC> 5.5.5
  8. # [00:03] <Hixie> of which spec? :-)
  9. # [00:03] * DanC grumbles at chrome for doing all sorts of wierd things when I try to copy/paste the section number/name
  10. # [00:03] <anne> it's the term dereferenced
  11. # [00:03] <DanC> http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#concept-js-deref
  12. # [00:04] <anne> but it works here
  13. # [00:04] <anne> it's used in fetching resources
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  15. # [00:04] <anne> and navigating across documents
  16. # [00:05] <Hixie> works here, using chrome
  17. # [00:13] <DanC> elaborate on "works"? which buttons do you push and what response do you get? (and what platform?)
  18. # [00:14] <Hixie> mac
  19. # [00:14] <Hixie> i click the reference word, and up pops a list of references
  20. # [00:14] <Hixie> like with all the others
  21. # [00:14] <Hixie> two references, like anne says
  22. # [00:15] <DanC> ok. I suspect that chrome-on-linux is just not baked.
  23. # [00:15] <DanC> it's fast, but flakey
  24. # [00:15] <Hixie> should be the same code as far as JS goes
  25. # [00:17] <anne> wfm in chrome-on-Ubuntu
  26. # [00:17] <anne> but let me try the W3C version of the spec
  27. # [00:18] <anne> wfm in the W3C version too
  28. # [00:18] <anne> though stuff is displayed inline?
  29. # [00:18] <anne> very weird
  30. # [00:21] <Hixie> hm, yeah
  31. # [00:21] <Hixie> wonder what that's about
  32. # [00:22] <Hixie> hm somehow the styles weren't included
  33. # [00:22] <Hixie> will fix
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  49. # [04:44] <sephr> I'm on the ISS and have a universal positioning device. How would I access my universal coordinates via the geolocation API?
  50. # [04:48] <MikeSmith> sephr: what's the ISS?
  51. # [04:48] <sephr> the international space station
  52. # [04:49] <sephr> "The API itself is agnostic of the underlying location information sources"
  53. # [04:49] <sephr> doesn't that mean that I should be able to get 3D coordinates for a 3D space? I can't tell if I'm in the center of the earth or outside of earth
  54. # [04:50] <MikeSmith> we are working on a SpaceStationLocation API just for this use case
  55. # [04:50] <MikeSmith> so just be patient
  56. # [04:50] <MikeSmith> and wait for that
  57. # [04:50] <sephr> This is a semi-serious question. How exactly would a unilocation API work?
  58. # [04:51] <MikeSmith> I don't know what a unilocation API is
  59. # [04:51] <sephr> geo = earth; uni = all / universe
  60. # [04:51] <sephr> like unisex = all-sexes
  61. # [04:52] <MikeSmith> well, so far, except for the occasional astronauts wandering in, we've not had a big demand for a location API for spacemen
  62. # [04:52] <MikeSmith> but the W3C does welcome spec submissions
  63. # [04:53] <MikeSmith> so were you to want to write it up, you can ask for it to be reviewed and published by a W3C working group
  64. # [04:53] <sephr> My ship is going to collide with earth. I have my browser at http://mylocation.arpa/ and I can't forward my universal coordinates to the earth emergency space shuttle station
  65. # [04:54] <sephr> ohshi-
  66. # [04:54] <MikeSmith> sounds like a great use case to me
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  73. # [05:23] <MikeSmith> sephr: seriously, if you think there's a need for a Web-platform API for getting 3D coordinates, the best place to have a discussion about it is on the public-geolocation mailing list
  74. # [05:25] <MikeSmith> there is an altitude attribute in the existing interface
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  76. # [05:26] <sephr> good, but I think the main problem with the library is that everything is related to earth
  77. # [05:26] <sephr> in relation to the dynamic center of the universe would be hard to do though
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  103. # [11:58] <Julian> Lachy, with respect to RFC 2426 are you aware of http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-vcarddav-vcardrev-09 ?
  104. # [11:59] <Julian> there's the opportunity to send feedback before it's done
  105. # [12:03] <Hixie> Julian: re your twitter, assuming it relates to me, i've already explained in detail how i think the "follow experts" philosophy is the path that led the w3c to failure with xhtml2
  106. # [12:03] <Hixie> so it's not surprising that i don't think following experts is automatically a good idea
  107. # [12:05] <Hixie> anyway, time to go to bed
  108. # [12:05] <Lachy> Julian, I wasn't aware of it.
  109. # [12:05] <Lachy> how mature is that draft?
  110. # [12:05] <Lachy> I assume it must be quite mature, since it's the 9th draft
  111. # [12:06] <anne> well, WebSockets has 74 drafts :)
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  115. # [12:43] <Julian> Lachy, I think it's close to Last Call
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  130. # [15:58] <CIA-1> v.nu-syntax: sideshowbarker * r522 /trunk/relaxng/media.rnc:
  131. # [15:58] <CIA-1> v.nu-syntax: replaced legend in figure with new element figcaption (b=713)
  132. # [15:58] <CIA-1> v.nu-syntax: http://bugzilla.validator.nu/show_bug.cgi?id=713
  133. # [15:58] <CIA-1> v.nu-syntax: sideshowbarker * r523 /trunk/relaxng/data.rnc:
  134. # [15:58] <CIA-1> v.nu-syntax: make the value attribute required on the meter element (b=707)
  135. # [15:58] <CIA-1> v.nu-syntax: http://bugzilla.validator.nu/show_bug.cgi?id=707
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  138. # [16:29] <DanC> ooh... who got CIA running on irc.w3.org? MikeSmith? I'm curious how you did that... though maybe I'd better not ask so you don't have to admit that you broke all the rules ;-)
  139. # [16:40] <Julian> hm, where's the definition of the same-origin policy? In 5.4, I only see the definition of origin, and (in 5.4.1) how to relax it, but what *is* the actual policy?
  140. # [16:42] <CIA-1> v.nu-syntax: sideshowbarker * r524 /trunk/relaxng/applications.rnc:
  141. # [16:42] <CIA-1> v.nu-syntax: replace legend element in <details> with new <summary> element (b=714)
  142. # [16:42] <CIA-1> v.nu-syntax: http://bugzilla.validator.nu/show_bug.cgi?id=714
  143. # [16:42] <anne> end of 5.4/6.4?
  144. # [16:42] <anne> search for "same origin"
  145. # [16:44] <Julian> so the "same origin policy" is just the definition of what origins are, and when they are the same?
  146. # [16:44] <MikeSmith> hey DanC: I didn't know there were any rules... But because it's a public channel, I just went through the normal config at CIA.vc to get it set up
  147. # [16:44] <Julian> I though it also had normative implications :-)
  148. # [16:44] <jgraham> e.g. http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#security-1
  149. # [16:45] <DanC> you had to start a new service running somewhere, right MikeSmith ?
  150. # [16:45] <jgraham> Click on where "same origin" is defined
  151. # [16:45] <jgraham> (at the end of 6.4)
  152. # [16:45] <jgraham> to see where the concept is used
  153. # [16:45] <DanC> oh... CIA.vc will talk to irc.w3.org?
  154. # [16:45] * DanC checks...
  155. # [16:46] <MikeSmith> DanC: the service already runs at CIA.vc, I just pointed it to this channel
  156. # [16:46] <anne> Julian, the implications are where the definitions are referenced
  157. # [16:46] <anne> Julian, e.g. XHR1 throws a SECURITY_ERR
  158. # [16:46] <MikeSmith> DanC: so there's no CIA bot running on a W3C host
  159. # [16:47] <anne> what is CIA?
  160. # [16:47] <Julian> James, "This flag forces content into a unique origin for the purposes of the same-origin policy." just links to definition of "origin"
  161. # [16:47] * anne follows links
  162. # [16:48] <Julian> Anne, thanks. I was hoping for a paragraph that actually gives an overview over the poolicy.
  163. # [16:48] <DanC> spiffy, MikeSmith ; somehow I have assumed for a long time that it wouldn't work that way.
  164. # [16:50] <MikeSmith> DanC: yeah, I was actually surprised how easy it was to set up the first time I did it
  165. # [16:50] <MikeSmith> DanC: actually, I think it's that easy only for subversion repositories
  166. # [16:50] <MikeSmith> getting it to work with cvs requires adding a hook to the cvs server
  167. # [16:51] <MikeSmith> but for the subversion case, there's no setup needed on the repository side
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