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  1. # Session Start: Wed Feb 03 00:00:00 2010
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  28. # [11:40] <Julian> mjs, as far as I can tell, we had agreement of not having predefined vocabs in the spec (ISSUE-73), and to separate Microdata into a separate spec. Why does the separated out spec now contain stuff we removed from HTML5 earlier on?
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  31. # [11:47] <mjs> Julian: the prior decision was to move the vocabularies out of the HTML5 draft
  32. # [11:48] <mjs> I don't think putting them in the same draft as Microdata violates the letter of how the issue was resolved; no real opinion on whether it violates the spirit
  33. # [11:49] <mjs> Julian: I guess you raised the original issue, so perhaps you would know what you had in mind
  34. # [11:50] <mjs> Julian: as far as I can tell, the various objections in the issue text either apply only to the HTML5 draft itself, not to any other draft, or they would apply to publishing the vocabularies even as one or more drafts by themselves
  35. # [11:51] <mjs> Julian: I guess we never had an FPWD request for the original vocabularies draft, so I don't know for sure if you would have objected to it but I don't recall you having a problem with it as an Editor's Draft
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  37. # [11:51] <mjs> I will also add that I personally don't care if the Microdata predefined vocabularies are in the same spec as Microdata or in yet another separate spec
  38. # [11:54] <Julian> Maciej: not having them in HTML5 resolves a few reasons for objection, but not all of them.
  39. # [11:55] <mjs> are there any reasons for objection that would apply to having the vocabularies in the Microdata draft, but would not apply to publishing them as a separate draft by themselves?
  40. # [11:55] <Julian> I recommend that the Call For Consensus clarifies that the standalone draft re-introduces these chapters we earlier removed by consensus.
  41. # [11:56] <Julian> I certainly didn't notice until a few minutes ago, because I thought "separating out" means just that, not re-adding stuff.
  42. # [11:56] <mjs> I can make sure that is included in the CfC
  43. # [11:56] <Julian> please do so
  44. # [11:57] <mjs> I don't think "re-introduce" is the right term, since they were put in a separate draft from HTML5, not just deleted
  45. # [11:57] <mjs> and they have not been put back into HTML5
  46. # [11:57] <mjs> it's just that the Microdata draft merges in the former Microdata Vocabularies draft
  47. # [11:57] <Julian> yes there are objections; such as vocabularies should be able to evolve independently of the syntax, and the potential overlap with IETF work (which we never resolved because we agreed on removing those)
  48. # [11:57] <mjs> you are correct that people may well not have noticed this
  49. # [11:57] <Julian> it merges in something we removed by consensus
  50. # [11:58] <mjs> I'm looking at the original message where you agreed to closing the issue
  51. # [11:58] <mjs> What Mike said was:
  52. # [11:58] <mjs> "Julian, as the commenter who initially raised issue-73, can you
  53. # [11:58] <mjs> confirm if you are OK with closing that issue out? (With a
  54. # [11:58] <mjs> resolution noting that the predefined vocabularies have now been
  55. # [11:58] <mjs> moved out of HTML5 and into separate drafts, and noting that HTML5
  56. # [11:58] <mjs> does not reference those drafts nor have any dependency on them.)"
  57. # [11:58] <Julian> so it's not exactly what it was advertised to be
  58. # [11:59] <mjs> and you replied to that with "Yes"
  59. # [12:00] <Julian> i didn't expect these drafts to become HTML WG deliverables
  60. # [12:00] <mjs> really? I did
  61. # [12:00] <mjs> they were checked into the html5 directory in w3c cvs
  62. # [12:00] <Julian> Anyway, if the CfC makes clear that this stuff is back in, people can give their feedback even if they didn't notice before
  63. # [12:00] <Julian> No, I didn't.
  64. # [12:01] <Julian> My expectation was that work would continue in the WhatWG only.
  65. # [12:01] <mjs> the message I'm referring to specifically included dev.w3.org links for the vocab specs
  66. # [12:02] <mjs> so I'm not sure how you could have come to that expectation
  67. # [12:02] <mjs> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Oct/0107.html
  68. # [12:02] <mjs> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Oct/0114.html
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  70. # [12:03] <Julian> I'm accustomed to Editor's putting whatever they want into W3C CVS :-)
  71. # [12:04] <mjs> well most spec drafts that they put in the html5 directory are eventually proposed as W3C Working Drafts...
  72. # [12:04] <mjs> so I don't think your conclusion was reasonable
  73. # [12:04] <Julian> I have no problem with them being proposed.
  74. # [12:05] <mjs> that being said, it's fair to say that WG members may not expect or might not have noticed that the Microdata draft folds in the vocabulary drafts
  75. # [12:05] <Julian> I have a problem with them being silently included into something else; but that will be resolved by clarifying it in the CfC.
  76. # [12:05] <mjs> and it is fair to bring that to their attention
  77. # [12:05] <mjs> ok
  78. # [12:05] <Julian> +1
  79. # [12:05] <mjs> I agree that it is fair to ask for that
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  95. # [16:04] <Julian> does anybody have a sec for a localStorage / JS question?
  96. # [16:04] <anne> what is it?
  97. # [16:04] <Julian> looking at the example at the end of <http://dev.w3.org/html5/webstorage/#introduction>
  98. # [16:05] <Julian> The intent appear to be that the text content of the count span increases by 1 with each page load
  99. # [16:05] <Julian> but what happens is that I get "0" -> "01" -> "011" -> "0111"
  100. # [16:05] <Julian> in FF/Chrome/Safari
  101. # [16:06] <Julian> so the pageLoadCount item is treated as a string
  102. # [16:06] <anne> that's because most browsers support only DOMString
  103. # [16:06] <anne> not any
  104. # [16:06] <anne> any is a recent thing
  105. # [16:06] <anne> and it's unclear whether it stays, I think
  106. # [16:06] <Julian> does anybody support "any"?
  107. # [16:06] <Julian> ok
  108. # [16:06] <anne> i don't think so
  109. # [16:07] <Julian> is this issue tracked somewhere in webapps (do they have a public bug tracker?)
  110. # [16:08] <anne> 2008/webapps/track/ (or tracker)
  111. # [16:08] <anne> and no idea, pretty much everyone knows about it so it's not too important to track I guess
  112. # [16:16] <MikeSmith> Julian: we have a bugzilla for webapps WG too
  113. # [16:17] <MikeSmith> I can't remember if the webstorage spec is in there as a component already or not
  114. # [16:17] <MikeSmith> but if not, I can add it
  115. # [16:21] <Julian> that might be a good idea, even if this one doesn't need one
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