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  16. # [03:51] <Hixie> is there a page that describes the various public-html-* lists?
  17. # [03:51] <Hixie> the equivalent of http://whatwg.org/mailing-list but for the HTML WG?
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  21. # [04:23] <MikeSmithX> Hixie: nope
  22. # [04:23] <MikeSmithX> I suppose I should make one
  23. # [04:23] <Hixie> would be nice to link to it from the acknowledgements (see the foot of the spec)
  24. # [04:23] <MikeSmithX> OK
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  30. # [05:05] <MikeSmith> Hixie: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/lists/
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  37. # [06:30] <Hixie> MikeSmith: thanks
  38. # [06:32] <MikeSmith> Hixie: is that what you had in mind?
  39. # [06:32] <Hixie> yeah
  40. # [06:32] <MikeSmith> cool
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  100. # [18:00] <rubys> trackbot, start meeting
  101. # [18:00] * trackbot is starting a teleconference
  102. # [18:00] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  103. # [18:00] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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  105. # [18:00] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be HTML
  106. # [18:00] <Zakim> HTML matches both WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM and HTML_WG()12:00PM
  107. # [18:00] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  108. # [18:00] <trackbot> Date: 04 February 2010
  109. # [18:00] <rubys> zakim, this will be html_wg
  110. # [18:00] <Zakim> ok, rubys, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
  111. # [18:01] <Zakim> +Julian
  112. # [18:01] <Zakim> +Sam
  113. # [18:01] <r12a> zakim, dial richard please
  114. # [18:01] <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
  115. # [18:01] <Zakim> +Richard
  116. # [18:01] * aphillip zakim, code?
  117. # [18:01] * Zakim saw 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152) given for the conference code, aphillip
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  122. # [18:02] * MichaelC zakim, code?
  123. # [18:02] * Zakim saw 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152) given for the conference code, MichaelC
  124. # [18:03] <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
  125. # [18:03] * MichaelC zakim, call cooper-mit
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  129. # [18:03] * Zakim ok, MichaelC; the call is being made
  130. # [18:03] <Zakim> +Cooper
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  132. # [18:03] <mjs> hi everyone
  133. # [18:03] <Zakim> +cardona507
  134. # [18:03] <MikeSmithX> Zakim, call Mike
  135. # [18:03] <Zakim> + +1.415.595.aaaa
  136. # [18:03] <cardona507> Zakim, mute me
  137. # [18:03] * aphillip zakim, mute me
  138. # [18:03] <Zakim> ok, MikeSmithX; the call is being made
  139. # [18:04] <Zakim> +Mike
  140. # [18:04] <Zakim> +wonsuk
  141. # [18:04] <Zakim> cardona507 should now be muted
  142. # [18:04] <cardona507> good morning everyone
  143. # [18:04] * MichaelC (I was actually mainly checking that zakim was set up properly, since there is collision between the mnemonics of this call and the previous HTML A11Y call)
  144. # [18:04] * Zakim aphillip should now be muted
  145. # [18:04] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
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  148. # [18:04] <paulc> zakim, who is present?
  149. # [18:04] * MikeSmithX is now known as MikeSmith
  150. # [18:04] <Zakim> I don't understand your question, paulc.
  151. # [18:05] <paulc> zakim, who is on the call?
  152. # [18:05] <Zakim> On the phone I see Radhika_Roy, Julian, Sam, Richard, Masinter, Cynthia_Shelly, Cooper, aphillip (muted), cardona507 (muted), +1.415.595.aaaa, wonsuk, Mike, [Microsoft]
  153. # [18:05] <Mark> Mark Foladare is present
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  155. # [18:05] <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
  156. # [18:05] <Zakim> +paulc; got it
  157. # [18:05] <MikeSmith> Zakim, Mike is me
  158. # [18:05] <Zakim> +MikeSmith; got it
  159. # [18:05] <rubys> zakim, who is making noise?
  160. # [18:05] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  161. # [18:05] <Zakim> rubys, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Radhika_Roy (24%), Cooper (58%)
  162. # [18:06] <Eliot_Graff> zakim, Microsoft.a is me
  163. # [18:06] <Zakim> +Eliot_Graff; got it
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  165. # [18:06] <paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2010JanMar/0009.html
  166. # [18:06] <Zakim> + +1.613.998.aabb
  167. # [18:07] <rubys> scribenick: mjs
  168. # [18:07] <MikeSmith> scribe: mjs
  169. # [18:07] <Zakim> +Rich.a
  170. # [18:07] <mjs> First item is action items due February 4th
  171. # [18:07] <masinter> action-127?
  172. # [18:07] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-127
  173. # [18:07] <trackbot> ACTION-127 -- Maciej Stachowiak to establish process for "official WG response" to other WG's RFC on LC drafts -- due 2010-02-04 -- OPEN
  174. # [18:07] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/127
  175. # [18:07] <jstewart2> zakim, +1.613.998.aabb is jstewart2
  176. # [18:07] <Zakim> +jstewart2; got it
  177. # [18:08] <Zakim> +Laura
  178. # [18:08] <mjs> rubys: action-127 - maciej?
  179. # [18:08] <mjs> mjs: I just sent a rough draft of a proposed policy to the list
  180. # [18:08] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Feb/0085.html
  181. # [18:08] <mjs> masinter: make sure that it is linked from the action
  182. # [18:08] <masinter> not linked from the action, if you say "ACTION-127" in the message, it will get auto-linked
  183. # [18:08] <oedipus> regrets: Gregory_Rosmaita
  184. # [18:08] <masinter> otherwise please edit action directly to put in link! Thanks
  185. # [18:09] <masinter> suggest marking it pending review
  186. # [18:09] <mjs> rubys: should the action still be open?
  187. # [18:10] <mjs> mjs: remaining steps are to respond to feedback and call to consensus
  188. # [18:10] <masinter> action-163?
  189. # [18:10] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-163
  190. # [18:10] <trackbot> ACTION-163 -- Michael(tm) Smith to mediaWiki successor for current MoinMoin based wiki -- due 2010-02-04 -- OPEN
  191. # [18:10] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/163
  192. # [18:10] <mjs> rubys: next action on MikeSmith - MediaWiki successor
  193. # [18:10] <rubys> mjs: action is now pending-review
  194. # [18:10] <masinter> please link wiki into action item?
  195. # [18:11] <rubys> action-163 due 10 Feb
  196. # [18:11] * trackbot attempting to change due date on ACTION-163.
  197. # [18:11] <trackbot> ACTION-163 MediaWiki successor for current MoinMoin based wiki due date now 10 Feb
  198. # [18:11] <masinter> agenda?
  199. # [18:11] * Zakim sees nothing on the agenda
  200. # [18:12] <masinter> links in http://www.w3.org/html/wg/
  201. # [18:12] <Julian> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2010JanMar/0009.html
  202. # [18:12] <mjs> rubys: next item is proposed publications
  203. # [18:12] <Julian> (agenda)
  204. # [18:12] <mjs> rubys: we have links on the homepage to the proposed drafts
  205. # [18:12] <mjs> rubys: I realize some may be controversial, we will likely handle this as a Call for Consensus
  206. # [18:12] <MikeSmith> action-163: if systems team has not migrated content from the ESW wiki by Feb 10, I propose we just tell people to move any content they want over manually -- copy/paste -- and then we shut down editing of the old ESW wiki and do all new work at the MediaWiki one
  207. # [18:12] * trackbot attempting to add comment notes to ACTION-163.
  208. # [18:12] <trackbot> ACTION-163 MediaWiki successor for current MoinMoin based wiki notes added
  209. # [18:12] <mjs> rubys: I notice that we haven't talked about html4-diffs
  210. # [18:13] <mjs> rubys: we should ask Anne to update it so we can publish it as we usually do with the HTML5 draft
  211. # [18:13] <mjs> masinter: I wonder if anyone has reviewed this...
  212. # [18:13] <masinter> link from http://www.w3.org/html/wg/
  213. # [18:13] <paulc> http://dev.w3.org/html5/html4-differences/ is dated Sep 2009
  214. # [18:13] <masinter> points to http://dev.w3.org/html5/html4-differences/
  215. # [18:13] <MikeSmith> anne, you plan to update the html-diffs doc for the next round of publication?
  216. # [18:14] <mjs> masinter: the diffs document is old
  217. # [18:14] <mjs> rubys: we need to ask Anne to update it
  218. # [18:14] <mjs> paulc: the diffs document is not a useful source of information on changes
  219. # [18:15] <mjs> rubys: the diffs document has traditionally been updated the week before we publish
  220. # [18:15] <MikeSmith> anne has always gotten the diffs doc updated very quickly and well prior to every new WD publication of the spec
  221. # [18:16] <masinter> I think RDFa and microdata are both out of scope for the committee; if the status of the documents had been updated to make the status clear, that might have been a compromise, but it doesn't look like that isn't happening.
  222. # [18:16] <mjs> paulc: Larry is dissatisfied with the way the status sections of HTML+RDFa and Microdata got changed
  223. # [18:17] <masinter> HTML+RDFa might be OK, haven't looked again, but Microdata definitely doesn't look right
  224. # [18:17] <mjs> rubys: next item on the agenda, calls for proposals that close this week
  225. # [18:17] <mjs> rubys: there are none
  226. # [18:17] <masinter> issue-83?
  227. # [18:17] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-83
  228. # [18:17] <trackbot> ISSUE-83 -- Use of the dt and dd elements in figure and details content models -- OPEN
  229. # [18:17] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/83
  230. # [18:17] <mjs> rubys: next item on the agenda is new calls for proposals / calls for consensus this week
  231. # [18:17] <mjs> rubys: there is one: ISSUE-83
  232. # [18:18] <mjs> rubys: last I saw, Shelley had removed her remaining objection
  233. # [18:18] <mjs> rubys: next item on the agenda: issues to move forward on
  234. # [18:18] <masinter> issue-27?
  235. # [18:18] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-27
  236. # [18:18] <trackbot> ISSUE-27 -- @rel value ownership, registry consideration -- OPEN
  237. # [18:18] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/27
  238. # [18:18] <mjs> rubys: ISSUE-27 rel-ownership - looks like we are near consensus, next step might be a Call for Consensus
  239. # [18:19] <Julian> +1 to CfC on this
  240. # [18:19] <mjs> rubys: can I ask for an opportunity to ask a question?
  241. # [18:19] <mjs> rubys: in this case we are effectively taking a dependency on another document
  242. # [18:19] <masinter> s/rubys/paulc
  243. # [18:19] * masinter notes that it is Paul not Sam talking
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  245. # [18:19] * mjs masinter, thanks
  246. # [18:20] <mjs> paulc: I want to make sure that when we get consensus we are clear on whether this document would block or help our progress
  247. # [18:20] <mjs> rubys: certainy as we add more dependencies, the dependencies themselves could impede our progress in the future
  248. # [18:20] <mjs> masinter: sounds like something that should be visible
  249. # [18:21] <masinter> the URL dependency for example, should have some actions to track
  250. # [18:21] <mjs> rubys: ISSUE-66 image-analysis seems like we are not quite at consensus, may need counter-proposals
  251. # [18:21] * aphillip zakim, unmute me
  252. # [18:21] * Zakim aphillip should no longer be muted
  253. # [18:21] <masinter> issue-66?
  254. # [18:21] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-66
  255. # [18:21] <trackbot> ISSUE-66 -- image analysis heuristics -- OPEN
  256. # [18:21] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/66
  257. # [18:22] <masinter> issue-88?
  258. # [18:22] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-88
  259. # [18:22] <trackbot> ISSUE-88 -- Should meta/@content allow a list of languages instead of just a single language? -- OPEN
  260. # [18:22] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/88
  261. # [18:22] <mjs> rubys: next issue is issue-81 content-language-multiple, seems like we may be close to consensus on that
  262. # [18:22] <mjs> s/issue-81/issue-88/
  263. # [18:22] <aphillip> q+
  264. # [18:22] * Zakim sees aphillip on the speaker queue
  265. # [18:22] <rubys> ack
  266. # [18:22] <mjs> aphillip: hi, this is Addison, chair of I18N Working Group
  267. # [18:22] <mjs> aphillip: want to ask what it is that we're close to consensus on
  268. # [18:22] <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Htmlissue88
  269. # [18:23] <mjs> rubys: ^
  270. # [18:23] <mjs> aphillip: ah, that's our proposal
  271. # [18:25] * aphillip zakim, mute me
  272. # [18:25] * Zakim aphillip should now be muted
  273. # [18:25] <mjs> rubys: any other questions or comments?
  274. # [18:25] * masinter wonders if the "calls" could be combined, i.e., ask people to either (a) agree, (b) disagree and volunteer to write a counter-proposal (c) disagree, not volunteer, but at least be willing to help or discuss
  275. # [18:25] <paulc> summary: new CfC on 27 and 88
  276. # [18:25] <mjs> rubys: next agenda item: new issues this week
  277. # [18:25] <mjs> rubys: no new issues this week
  278. # [18:25] <paulc> summary: Call for counter proposals on 66
  279. # [18:25] <mjs> rubys: next item on the agenda is discussion items
  280. # [18:25] <Zakim> -aphillip
  281. # [18:25] <mjs> rubys: f2f meeting we have been discussing - at the moment it's on hold
  282. # [18:26] <MikeSmith> q?
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  284. # [18:26] * Zakim sees aphillip on the speaker queue
  285. # [18:26] <mjs> rubys: exploring focus on cross-group coordination
  286. # [18:26] <mjs> masinter: some ideas on agenda items that might encourage progress
  287. # [18:27] <paulc> q+
  288. # [18:27] * Zakim sees aphillip, paulc on the speaker queue
  289. # [18:27] <rubys> ack
  290. # [18:27] <masinter> if you proposed a sample agenda, it might focus the discussion of "whether to have a meeting in general" to "whether to have a meeting with those agenda items"
  291. # [18:27] <r12a> ack aphillip
  292. # [18:27] * Zakim sees paulc on the speaker queue
  293. # [18:27] <rubys> ack paulc
  294. # [18:27] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  295. # [18:27] <mjs> paulc: Larry's point is well taken which is that people want to know the return on investment, so having a concrete agenda may help
  296. # [18:28] <masinter> well, if not "concrete" at least "fleshed out" or "proposed"
  297. # [18:28] <paulc> yes
  298. # [18:28] <mjs> rubys: next item on the agenda is process feedback
  299. # [18:28] <mjs> rubys: we have some feedback and we need to track that better - proposal is to have a bugzilla component
  300. # [18:29] <mjs> masinter: I asked for the process to be expanded and clarified
  301. # [18:29] <masinter> s/process/process document/
  302. # [18:29] <mjs> rubys: my opinion is that a number of questions will require changes to the document - we need a way to track that
  303. # [18:29] <mjs> rubys: Mike: can you set up a bugzilla component for process?
  304. # [18:29] <masinter> s/process/decision policy/
  305. # [18:29] <mjs> MikeSmith: sure, yeah
  306. # [18:30] <mjs> rubys: make the component "decision policy"
  307. # [18:30] <paulc> Are the Chairs agreeing to take the existing comments into Bugzilla?
  308. # [18:30] <masinter> it's both a process and policies that affect how the process is being followed
  309. # [18:31] <mjs> paulc, I can put Larry's comments in bugzilla
  310. # [18:31] <paulc> Thanks, Maciej
  311. # [18:31] <mjs> rubys: the last discussion is on licensing - I don't have a quick link but there is a members-only survey
  312. # [18:31] <mjs> rubys: of the AC
  313. # [18:31] <masinter> should cross-working group review policy be added? It seems to be related? WHy not merge the two?
  314. # [18:31] <mjs> rubys: whether Member companies would be willing to accept a more liberal license
  315. # [18:32] <paulc> FAQ on licensing: http://www.w3.org/2010/01/licfaq (possibley Member only)
  316. # [18:33] * masinter is just thinking outloud about policies and whether this really belongs in the charter
  317. # [18:33] <masinter> q+
  318. # [18:33] * Zakim sees masinter on the speaker queue
  319. # [18:33] <rubys> ack masinter
  320. # [18:33] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  321. # [18:33] <mjs> rubys: next item is scribe for the next meeting...
  322. # [18:33] <MikeSmith> I added a new component called "working group Decision Policy"
  323. # [18:33] <mjs> masinter: the IRI working group has been approved
  324. # [18:34] <mjs> masinter: it's meeting in Anaheim in March
  325. # [18:34] <mjs> masinter: went to meeting of Unicode core Working Group, got them to agree to participate and help
  326. # [18:35] <mjs> paulc: Larry, could you send the info on the IETF meeting in March?
  327. # [18:35] <mjs> rubys: anything else before we adjourn?
  328. # [18:35] <mjs> rubys: meeting adjourned
  329. # [18:35] <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
  330. # [18:35] <Zakim> -Masinter
  331. # [18:35] <Zakim> -jstewart2
  332. # [18:35] <Zakim> -Cooper
  333. # [18:35] <cardona507> goodbye
  334. # [18:35] <Zakim> -Sam
  335. # [18:35] <Zakim> -Julian
  336. # [18:35] <Laura> bye
  337. # [18:35] <Zakim> -Eliot_Graff
  338. # [18:35] <Zakim> -wonsuk
  339. # [18:35] <Zakim> -cardona507
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  341. # [18:35] <Zakim> -Richard
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  343. # [18:35] <Zakim> - +1.415.595.aaaa
  344. # [18:35] <Zakim> -Laura
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  347. # [18:35] <Zakim> -Rich.a
  348. # [18:35] <paulc> We need to generate the minutes
  349. # [18:35] * Parts: r12a (ishida@mcclure.w3.org)
  350. # [18:35] <mjs> MikeSmith: how do I get the bot to generate the minutes?
  351. # [18:35] <MikeSmith> Zakim, ddrop me
  352. # [18:35] <Zakim> I don't understand 'ddrop me', MikeSmith
  353. # [18:35] <MikeSmith> Zakim, drop me
  354. # [18:35] <Zakim> MikeSmith is being disconnected
  355. # [18:35] <Zakim> -MikeSmith
  356. # [18:36] <paulc> trackbot, generate minutes
  357. # [18:36] <trackbot> Sorry, paulc, I don't understand 'trackbot, generate minutes'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
  358. # [18:36] <MikeSmith> mjs, "RRSAgent, make minutes"
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  360. # [18:36] <mjs> RSSAgent, make minutes
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  362. # [18:37] <mjs> RRSAgent, make minutes
  363. # [18:37] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/02/04-html-wg-minutes.html mjs
  364. # [18:37] <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make logs public
  365. # [18:37] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, MikeSmith
  366. # [18:37] <Zakim> -Radhika_Roy
  367. # [18:37] <mjs> all right, I should mail that to public-html?
  368. # [18:38] <MikeSmith> rubys, mjs, paulc - btw, I set up the following page today:
  369. # [18:38] <MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/lists/
  370. # [18:38] <MikeSmith> it just collects the names and descriptions and subscribe/archive links for the various mailing list associated with the group
  371. # [18:40] <mjs> MikeSmith: cool
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  375. # [18:49] <masinter> action: Larry to send info about IETF IRI working group, next meeting, mailing list, status of documents, etc., to HTML WG
  376. # [18:49] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  377. # [18:49] * RRSAgent records action 1
  378. # [18:49] <trackbot> Created ACTION-174 - Send info about IETF IRI working group, next meeting, mailing list, status of documents, etc., to HTML WG [on Larry Masinter - due 2010-02-11].
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  380. # [18:49] <masinter> for my own tracker :)
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  383. # [18:52] <paulc> Mike: re the WG lists - are they other A11Y email lists that should be listed?
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  385. # [18:52] <MikeSmith> paulc: maybe the wai-xtech list
  386. # [18:53] <paulc> I was thinking of the list that is discussing canvas accessibility?
  387. # [18:53] <paulc> Is it a separate list or just a collection of names?
  388. # [18:54] <paulc> Mike: another topic - what did you think about my suggestion to move the Chairs meeting to Monday (Tue 6am your time)?
  389. # [18:55] <paulc> Mike - I was thinking of http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-canvas-api/
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  392. # [19:03] <MikeSmith> paulc: I will add the public-canvas-api list too
  393. # [19:03] <MikeSmith> paulc: yeah, the 6am time would definitely be better for me than the current 4am one
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  403. # [19:36] <Zakim> Attendees were Radhika_Roy, Julian, Sam, Richard, Masinter, Cynthia_Shelly, Cooper, aphillip, cardona507, +1.415.595.aaaa, wonsuk, paulc, MikeSmith, [Microsoft], Eliot_Graff, Rich,
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