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  45. # [09:07] <Julian> MikeSmith, yt?
  46. # [09:07] <MikeSmith> yep
  47. # [09:07] <MikeSmith> what's up?
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  49. # [09:07] <Julian> did I miss a change in validator.nu with respect to data: URIs
  50. # [09:07] <Julian> ?
  51. # [09:08] <Julian> It doesn't appear to reject them, but I thought somebody reported it did (remember tuesday's discussion?)
  52. # [09:08] <Julian> (I mean data URIs with fragments)
  53. # [09:09] <MikeSmith> Julian: the thing it was reporting and error for was if you used a data: URI with a fragment ID in the "address" input field
  54. # [09:11] <Julian> oh
  55. # [09:11] <Julian> I see
  56. # [09:11] <Julian> seems I got carried away after I found all these UA bugs
  57. # [09:12] <Julian> Can you tell me (sample ode) which jena class you use for parsing which reported the error with respesct to fragids?
  58. # [09:18] <MikeSmith> Julian: yeah, gimme a minute, I'll find it
  59. # [09:20] <MikeSmith> Julian: IRIFactory and IRI
  60. # [09:21] <Julian> ah, Apparently I was looking in the wrong place yesterday.
  61. # [09:21] <Julian> thanks
  62. # [09:22] <MikeSmith> Julian: http://whattf.browse.cvsdude.com/syntax/trunk/relaxng/datatype/java/src/org/whattf/datatype/IriRef.java?view=co
  63. # [09:22] <MikeSmith> that's the code that checks IRI references in attribute values
  64. # [09:42] <hsivonen> Julian: if you find the same bug in multiple UAs, chances are you've found a feature
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  66. # [10:09] <Julian> I'm aware that it's widely broken, but I don't consider it a feature. In particular, IE doesn't seem to have that bug.
  67. # [10:21] <Dashiva> Doesn't IE only support data: for images?
  68. # [10:22] <Julian> Dunno. But it *does* support it for the URL decomposition attributes, even in IE6. Likely because they do the right thing, using ageneric URI parser.
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  71. # [10:24] <CIA-1> v.nu-build: sideshowbarker * r92 /trunk/build.py:
  72. # [10:24] <CIA-1> v.nu-build: make it possible to build and run on Windows (b=715, thx=CareyEvans)
  73. # [10:24] <CIA-1> v.nu-build: http://bugzilla.validator.nu/show_bug.cgi?id=715
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  82. # [11:19] <Stevef> mikesmith?
  83. # [11:20] <MikeSmith> Stevef: hey man
  84. # [11:20] <MikeSmith> sorry for not having gotten back to you
  85. # [11:20] <Stevef> NP
  86. # [11:20] <MikeSmith> been a bit preoccupied the last several days
  87. # [11:20] <Stevef> understand
  88. # [11:21] <MikeSmith> if you send me a copy of the doc, I can check it in
  89. # [11:21] <MikeSmith> we can deal with cvs stuff later
  90. # [11:22] <Stevef> great, can you add it to bugzilla as well?
  91. # [11:22] <Stevef> is there an issue with the current format that i have to deal with before i get it checked in?
  92. # [11:22] <MikeSmith> no serious issue that I can see
  93. # [11:23] <Stevef> OK, will send you a copy and the asscoiated img files, thanks!
  94. # [11:23] <MikeSmith> thanks
  95. # [11:29] <Stevef> MikeSmith: have sent zipped copy of files
  96. # [11:30] <MikeSmith> OK
  97. # [11:30] <MikeSmith> I will get them checked in before the telcon
  98. # [11:30] <Stevef> cheers!
  99. # [11:31] <MikeSmith> cheers
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  138. # [17:16] <paulc2> trackbot, status
  139. # [17:16] * trackbot knows about the following 27 users: Lachlan, Matthew, Larry, Michael(tm), Doug, Gregory, Philippe, Julian, Laura, Shawn, Paul, Henri, Maciej, James, Adrian, Joshue, Richard, Ben, Chris, Manu, Sam, Ian, Cynthia, Janina, David, Shelley, Steve
  140. # [17:32] <paulc2> rssagent, bookmark
  141. # [17:35] <paulc2> channel?
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  143. # [17:36] <paulc2> list
  144. # [17:37] <paulc2> zakim, list
  145. # [17:38] <paulc2> zakim, what conferences do you see?
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  149. # [17:59] <paulc2> nick scribe is paulc
  150. # [17:59] <paulc2> nick scribe is paulc2
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  152. # [17:59] <paulc2> rubys: what is the zakim command to make me scribe?
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  154. # [18:00] <rubys> you just say "scribe: paulc"
  155. # [18:00] <paulc2> scribe: paulc2
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  157. # [18:00] <oedipus> regrets+ Gregory_Rosmaita
  158. # [18:00] <rubys> trackbot, start meeting
  159. # [18:00] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference
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  161. # [18:00] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/02/18-html-wg-irc
  162. # [18:00] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  163. # [18:00] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
  164. # [18:00] <paulc2> trackbot, status
  165. # [18:00] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be HTML
  166. # [18:00] <Zakim> HTML matches both HTML_WG()12:00PM and WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM
  167. # [18:00] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  168. # [18:00] <trackbot> Date: 18 February 2010
  169. # [18:00] * trackbot knows about the following 27 users: Lachlan, Matthew, Larry, Michael(tm), Doug, Gregory, Philippe, Julian, Laura, Shawn, Paul, Henri, Maciej, James, Adrian, Joshue, Richard, Ben, Chris, Manu, Sam, Ian, Cynthia, Janina, David, Shelley, Steve
  170. # [18:00] <rubys> zakim, this will be HTML_WG
  171. # [18:00] <Zakim> ok, rubys, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
  172. # [18:00] <rubys> scribe: paulc2
  173. # [18:01] <oedipus> regrets+ Gregory_Rosmaita
  174. # [18:01] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  175. # [18:01] <Zakim> +Sam
  176. # [18:01] <paulc2> zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc2
  177. # [18:01] <Zakim> +paulc2; got it
  178. # [18:02] <paulc2> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2010JanMar/0015.html
  179. # [18:02] <Zakim> +dsinger_
  180. # [18:02] <paulc2> regrets: Janina
  181. # [18:02] <MikeSmith> Zakim, call MIke
  182. # [18:03] <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
  183. # [18:03] <Zakim> +MIke
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  185. # [18:03] <paulc2> Regrets: Geoff Freed
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  187. # [18:03] <MikeSmith> Zakim, Mike is me
  188. # [18:03] <Zakim> +MikeSmith; got it
  189. # [18:03] <dsinger__> zakim, mute dsinger_
  190. # [18:03] <Zakim> dsinger_ should now be muted
  191. # [18:03] * plh zakim, call plh-work
  192. # [18:03] * Zakim ok, plh; the call is being made
  193. # [18:03] <Zakim> +Plh
  194. # [18:04] <rubys> zakim, who is making noise?
  195. # [18:04] <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
  196. # [18:04] <Zakim> rubys, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Radhika_Roy (5%), MikeSmith (20%), Plh (13%)
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  198. # [18:04] <dsinger__> zakim, who is here?
  199. # [18:04] <Zakim> On the phone I see Radhika_Roy, [Microsoft], Sam, dsinger_ (muted), MikeSmith, Plh, Cynthia_Shelly
  200. # [18:04] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc2
  201. # [18:04] <Zakim> On IRC I see Eliot_Graff, cyns, dsinger__, RRSAgent, jre, oedipus, rubys, cardona507, Mark, Zakim, paulc2, Laura, annodomini, MikeSmith, miketaylr, aroben, sbublava, arronei, plh,
  202. # [18:04] <Zakim> ... Dashiva, tlr-bbiab, ROBOd, Lachy, mjs, paul_irish, Julian, dsinger, tH, gavin_, Thezilch[FH], krijnh, drry, CIA-1, karl, shepazu, Yudai, anne, syp, jgraham, jmb, Philip,
  203. # [18:04] <cyns> Zakim, cyns is me
  204. # [18:04] <MikeSmith> Zakim, mute me
  205. # [18:04] <Zakim> ... hsivonen, Hixie, gsnedders, mamund, johndrinkwater, trackbot, webben, Shunsuke, ed_work, gavin, inimino, hober
  206. # [18:04] <Zakim> sorry, cyns, I do not recognize a party named 'cyns'
  207. # [18:04] <Zakim> MikeSmith should now be muted
  208. # [18:05] <paulc2> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2010JanMar/0015.html
  209. # [18:05] <Zakim> + +1.925.186.aaaa
  210. # [18:05] <MikeSmith> issue-88?
  211. # [18:05] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-88
  212. # [18:05] <trackbot> ISSUE-88 -- Should meta/@content allow a list of languages instead of just a single language? -- OPEN
  213. # [18:05] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/88
  214. # [18:05] <paulc2> I believe we are waiting for Maciej to arrive to Chair.
  215. # [18:05] * dsinger__ we await mjs, right?
  216. # [18:05] <Julian> Zakim, +1.925.186.aaaa is me
  217. # [18:05] <Zakim> +Julian; got it
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  219. # [18:06] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  220. # [18:06] <dsinger__> zakim, who is on the phone?
  221. # [18:06] <Zakim> On the phone I see Radhika_Roy, [Microsoft], Sam, dsinger_ (muted), MikeSmith (muted), Plh, Cynthia_Shelly, Julian, [Microsoft.a]
  222. # [18:06] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc2
  223. # [18:06] <Zakim> + +1.218.340.aabb
  224. # [18:06] <adrianba> zakim, [microsoft.a] has franko, adrianba
  225. # [18:06] <Zakim> +franko, adrianba; got it
  226. # [18:06] * plh zakim, who is on the phone?
  227. # [18:06] * Zakim sees on the phone: Radhika_Roy, [Microsoft], Sam, dsinger_ (muted), MikeSmith (muted), Plh, Cynthia_Shelly, Julian, [Microsoft.a], +1.218.340.aabb
  228. # [18:06] * Zakim [Microsoft] has paulc2
  229. # [18:06] * Zakim [Microsoft.a] has franko, adrianba
  230. # [18:06] <Laura> Zakim, aabb is me
  231. # [18:06] <Zakim> +Laura; got it
  232. # [18:06] <Zakim> + +1.206.850.aacc
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  234. # [18:07] <Eliot_Graff> zakim, aacc is me
  235. # [18:07] <Zakim> +Eliot_Graff; got it
  236. # [18:07] <rubys> topic: ACTION items due by Thu Feb 18
  237. # [18:07] <paulc2> topic:. 1. ACTION items due by Thu Feb 18
  238. # [18:07] <rubys> ACTION-172?
  239. # [18:07] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-172
  240. # [18:07] <trackbot> ACTION-172 -- Larry Masinter to insure Change Proposal for ISSUE-4 (versioning) also covers ISSUE-84 (legacy doctype) -- due 2010-02-25 -- OPEN
  241. # [18:07] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/172
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  244. # [18:08] <paulc2> TAG ACTION-388 that is due today on the TAG call.
  245. # [18:08] <MikeSmith> q+ to ask what actions if any are pending on issue-88, and if there are none, what se can do to move it forward
  246. # [18:08] * Zakim sees MikeSmith on the speaker queue
  247. # [18:08] <paulc2> Larry was looking for help from the TAG on ACTION-172 and the underlying issues.
  248. # [18:08] <Zakim> +??P34
  249. # [18:09] <rob> Zakim P34 is rob
  250. # [18:09] <paulc2> TAG is meeting today to discuss this.
  251. # [18:09] <rubys> ACTION-172 due in one week
  252. # [18:09] * trackbot attempting to change due date on ACTION-172.
  253. # [18:09] <trackbot> ACTION-172 Insure Change Proposal for ISSUE-4 (versioning) also covers ISSUE-84 (legacy doctype) due date now in one week
  254. # [18:09] <dsinger__> zakim, who is on the phone?
  255. # [18:09] <Zakim> On the phone I see Radhika_Roy, [Microsoft], Sam, dsinger_ (muted), MikeSmith (muted), Plh, Cynthia_Shelly, Julian, [Microsoft.a], Laura, Eliot_Graff, ??P34
  256. # [18:09] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc2
  257. # [18:09] <Zakim> [Microsoft.a] has franko, adrianba
  258. # [18:09] <paulc2> topic: 2. Update on CfC to publish new drafts
  259. # [18:09] <MikeSmith> zakim, P34 is RobEnnals
  260. # [18:09] <Zakim> sorry, MikeSmith, I do not recognize a party named 'P34'
  261. # [18:09] <MikeSmith> zakim, ??P34 is RobEnnals
  262. # [18:09] <Zakim> +RobEnnals; got it
  263. # [18:10] <paulc2> We have received comments mostly on status sections.
  264. # [18:10] <paulc2> Chairs will review comments and Larry's question after this call and will publish our next steps.
  265. # [18:10] <paulc2> plh: Team is responsible for the Status sections.
  266. # [18:10] <paulc2> Topic: 3. Call for Proposals that close by Thu Feb 18:
  267. # [18:10] <paulc2> None
  268. # [18:11] <paulc2> Topic: 4. New Calls for Proposals/Consensus this Week
  269. # [18:11] <paulc2> None.
  270. # [18:11] <paulc2> Topic: 5. Reminders of upcoming deadlines
  271. # [18:11] <paulc2> several items are due in the next several weeks
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  273. # [18:11] <paulc2> details in agenda at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2010JanMar/0015.html
  274. # [18:12] <paulc2> topic: 6. New Issues This Week:
  275. # [18:12] <paulc2> actually five new issues: 100-104
  276. # [18:13] <adrianba> ISSUE-103?
  277. # [18:13] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-103
  278. # [18:13] <trackbot> ISSUE-103 -- XML escaping in iframe/@srcdoc -- RAISED
  279. # [18:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/103
  280. # [18:13] <rubys> issue-104?
  281. # [18:13] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-104
  282. # [18:13] <trackbot> ISSUE-104 -- Clarify that mime type sniffing is optional -- RAISED
  283. # [18:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/104
  284. # [18:13] <paulc2> Sam will add to issue status list after this call.
  285. # [18:13] <MikeSmith> q?
  286. # [18:13] * Zakim sees MikeSmith on the speaker queue
  287. # [18:13] <paulc2> Chairs will discuss when to do Call for Proposals for these new issues.
  288. # [18:14] <MikeSmith> Zakim, unmute me
  289. # [18:14] <Zakim> MikeSmith should no longer be muted
  290. # [18:14] <paulc2> topic: Scribe for next meeting
  291. # [18:14] <rubys> ack next
  292. # [18:14] * Zakim sees MikeSmith at the head of the speaker queue
  293. # [18:14] <Zakim> MikeSmith, you wanted to ask what actions if any are pending on issue-88, and if there are none, what se can do to move it forward
  294. # [18:14] <MikeSmith> issue-88?
  295. # [18:14] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-88
  296. # [18:14] <trackbot> ISSUE-88 -- Should meta/@content allow a list of languages instead of just a single language? -- OPEN
  297. # [18:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/88
  298. # [18:14] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  299. # [18:14] <paulc2> ack Mike
  300. # [18:14] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  301. # [18:14] <plh> s/Team is responsible/Ultimately, the Team is responsible/
  302. # [18:15] <paulc2> See http://www.w3.org/2010/02/11-html-wg-minutes.html#item12
  303. # [18:15] <paulc2> Last week we proposed: leave this in its current status and decide next week if a CfC or amicable resolution is the right next step
  304. # [18:16] <dsinger__> S/se can/we can/
  305. # [18:16] <paulc2> Mike: no discussion over the last week - what is the status
  306. # [18:16] <paulc2> Chair: Chairs will discuss with Maciej and CfC will be issued today if possible.
  307. # [18:16] <Julian> q+
  308. # [18:16] * Zakim sees Julian on the speaker queue
  309. # [18:16] <paulc2> topic: scribe for next week
  310. # [18:16] <rubys> ack next
  311. # [18:16] * Zakim sees Julian at the head of the speaker queue
  312. # [18:17] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  313. # [18:17] <paulc2> Julian: two issues are ready for CfC or Call for counter proposals
  314. # [18:17] <rob> q+
  315. # [18:17] * Zakim sees rob on the speaker queue
  316. # [18:17] <paulc2> Julian: one is Issue-51
  317. # [18:17] <paulc2> issue-51?
  318. # [18:17] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-51
  319. # [18:17] <trackbot> ISSUE-51 -- WAI-ARIA dependency on Role Attribute Module, which takes Curie values. problem for implementations? -- CLOSED
  320. # [18:17] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/51
  321. # [18:18] <paulc2> Julian: correction - Issue-1
  322. # [18:18] <paulc2> Julian: correction - Issue-1
  323. # [18:18] <paulc2> Issue-1?
  324. # [18:18] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-1
  325. # [18:18] <trackbot> ISSUE-1 -- hyperlink auditing requires use of unsafe HTTP method -- OPEN
  326. # [18:18] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/1
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  328. # [18:18] <Zakim> -dsinger_
  329. # [18:18] <paulc2> Julian: Other one that might be ready is ISSUE-79
  330. # [18:19] <paulc2> Issue-79?
  331. # [18:19] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-79
  332. # [18:19] <trackbot> ISSUE-79 -- Meta/@name=keywords should be specified (and made conforming) -- RAISED
  333. # [18:19] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/79
  334. # [18:19] <Zakim> +dsinger_
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  336. # [18:19] <dsinger__> zakim, mute dsinger_
  337. # [18:19] <Zakim> dsinger_ should now be muted
  338. # [18:19] <paulc2> Julian: The editor has agreed with removing the ping attribute for Issue-1
  339. # [18:19] <rubys> shttp://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Feb/0620.html
  340. # [18:20] <paulc2> Julian: Could the Chairs please check status of Issue-1 and 79?
  341. # [18:20] <paulc2> Chair: Issue-2 is paired with Issue-1.
  342. # [18:20] * tlr-bbiab is now known as tlr
  343. # [18:20] <Julian> thx
  344. # [18:20] <rubys> ack next
  345. # [18:20] * Zakim sees rob at the head of the speaker queue
  346. # [18:20] <paulc2> summary: Chairs will check on issues 1, 2, 79 and 88
  347. # [18:20] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  348. # [18:21] <paulc2> Rob: What is the status of Issue-41?
  349. # [18:21] * shepazu Zakim, call shepazu
  350. # [18:21] * Zakim ok, shepazu; the call is being made
  351. # [18:21] <Zakim> +Shepazu
  352. # [18:21] <paulc2> Sam: This will probably be contenious and the chairs are trying to limit the explosions?
  353. # [18:21] <paulc2> plh: What explosions?
  354. # [18:22] <paulc2> plh: ;<)
  355. # [18:22] <dsinger__> S/contenious/contentious/
  356. # [18:22] <paulc2> Chair: Any objections adjourning.
  357. # [18:22] <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
  358. # [18:22] <dsinger__> Bye
  359. # [18:22] <Zakim> -Julian
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  362. # [18:22] <Zakim> -Shepazu
  363. # [18:22] <Zakim> -dsinger_
  364. # [18:22] <paulc2> Adjourned at 12:21 ET
  365. # [18:22] <rubys> rrsagent, publish minutes
  366. # [18:22] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/02/18-html-wg-minutes.html rubys
  367. # [18:22] <Zakim> -Eliot_Graff
  368. # [18:22] <Zakim> -RobEnnals
  369. # [18:23] <Zakim> -Radhika_Roy
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  371. # [18:23] <plh> zakim, list attendees
  372. # [18:23] <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Radhika_Roy, Sam, paulc2, dsinger_, MikeSmith, Plh, Cynthia_Shelly, Julian, [Microsoft], +1.218.340.aabb, franko, adrianba, Laura,
  373. # [18:23] * plh rrsagent, generate minutes
  374. # [18:23] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/02/18-html-wg-minutes.html plh
  375. # [18:23] <Zakim> ... +1.206.850.aacc, Eliot_Graff, RobEnnals, Shepazu
  376. # [18:23] <Zakim> -Laura
  377. # [18:23] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
  378. # [18:23] * plh rrsagent, generate minutes
  379. # [18:23] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/02/18-html-wg-minutes.html plh
  380. # [18:23] <Zakim> -Plh
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  382. # [18:24] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  383. # [18:25] <MikeSmith> Zakim, drop me
  384. # [18:25] <Zakim> MikeSmith is being disconnected
  385. # [18:25] <Zakim> -MikeSmith
  386. # [18:25] * gsnedders watches MikeSmith fall… and fall… and fall…
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  388. # [18:26] <Zakim> -Sam
  389. # [18:26] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  390. # [18:26] <Zakim> Attendees were Radhika_Roy, Sam, paulc2, dsinger_, MikeSmith, Plh, Cynthia_Shelly, Julian, [Microsoft], +1.218.340.aabb, franko, adrianba, Laura, +1.206.850.aacc, Eliot_Graff,
  391. # [18:26] <MikeSmith> "I've fallen and I can't get up!"
  392. # [18:26] <Zakim> ... RobEnnals, Shepazu
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  394. # [18:27] <shepazu> MikeSmith: you need the clapper!
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  396. # [18:30] <MikeSmith> shepazu: I got the clapper already, man
  397. # [18:30] <MikeSmith> it's what I use to turn on my disco ball
  398. # [18:30] <shepazu> I think they have medication for that now, MikeSmith
  399. # [18:30] <shepazu> I mean, for disco
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  401. # [18:31] <MikeSmith> hip-hop is just disco without the pantsuits and feathered hair
  402. # [18:31] <MikeSmith> much like Google Wave is just IRC
  403. # [18:32] * shepazu changes topic to 'HTML WG: Google Wave is just IRC without the pantsuits and feathered hair (shepazu)'
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  417. # [20:36] <Philip> rubys: "As of 1Q 2010, would a deliverable of a "Canvas 2D Context" document be considered in scope for the HTML Working Group?" - wouldn't this just be a duplicate of http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007Dec/0094.html ?
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  429. # [22:43] <anne> i can help with preparing html5-diff for publication
  430. # [22:43] <anne> if we're going to do that today
  431. # [22:43] <anne> just came back from skiing and since the office is a two-minute walk I thought I'd check
  432. # [22:49] <Hixie> haven't heard anything yet
  433. # [22:55] <anne> guess i'll see what the minutes say
  434. # [22:56] <anne> seems the Chairs took over from Opera in blocking HTML5: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/18-html-wg-minutes.html#item03 :p
  435. # [23:04] <anne> apparently a request has been emailed to da Director
  436. # [23:04] <anne> http://intertwingly.net/blog/2010/02/18/Adobes-non-Formal-non-Objection#c1266525509
  437. # [23:04] <mjs> Sam posted our summary of the current status: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Feb/att-0665/00-part
  438. # [23:04] <anne> for a few simple WDs
  439. # [23:04] <anne> awesomes
  440. # [23:05] <mjs> here's a short summary:
  441. # [23:05] <mjs> - the Team is already planning to forward the scope question to the Director
  442. # [23:05] <mjs> - the Director has been out on vacation and unreachable, but he will be back Monday
  443. # [23:06] <mjs> - we expect he will rule within a few days of coming back
  444. # [23:06] <mjs> - we would rather have the scope ruling before we publish, in case we have to ask editors to recombine some of the documents
  445. # [23:06] <mjs> (or whatever other alternative we figure out)
  446. # [23:07] <mjs> we're not planning to wait for the Director's answer more than a week or so
  447. # [23:07] <mjs> however you can blame the chairs for delaying if you want
  448. # [23:07] <anne> sounds like Larry is still to blame
  449. # [23:07] <anne> nobody else hackled over this
  450. # [23:08] <anne> well, and I suppose the chairs for going along with it... oh well
  451. # [23:08] <anne> I don't particularly care when we publish
  452. # [23:09] <mjs> or you could say it's the Team's fault for not giving a prompt answer to Larry's question and being vague about the consequences
  453. # [23:10] <mjs> but at this point the next action is on the Chairs and we are choosing to wait a few days
  454. # [23:10] <mjs> so it's probably most reasonable to blame us
  455. # [23:12] <Hixie> you're waiting for tim, right?
  456. # [23:12] <Hixie> so clearly we should blame tim! :-)
  457. # [23:13] <mjs> I have a hard time blaming him for being on vacation
  458. # [23:13] <mjs> once he is back, though, I am prepared to start blaming him
  459. # [23:14] <Hixie> what's the question he's supposed to answer?
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  461. # [23:16] <mjs> see bottom of http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Feb/att-0665/00-part
  462. # [23:17] <mjs> Sam phrased it pretty specifically
  463. # [23:18] <Hixie> that's pretty vague
  464. # [23:18] <Hixie> you mean a reply to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Feb/0360.html ?
  465. # [23:19] <mjs> We want to hear from the Director whether those three drafts are in scope
  466. # [23:19] <mjs> that is it
  467. # [23:20] <mjs> it's our understanding that the Team will put this question to him on Monday, so we may as well hear the answer before we publish
  468. # [23:20] <Hixie> so you're waiting to ask tim whether tim still agrees with tim about canvas being in scope (which he's said he does), and whether tim still agrees with tim about microdata being in scope (presumably it was in scope when we last published it, since we published it), because of an objection from larry which larry explicitly said is not a reason to stop publication?
  469. # [23:20] <mjs> basically, yes
  470. # [23:21] <Hixie> Astounding, as larry put it
  471. # [23:21] <mjs> because we are told Tim will be re-asked, and the Team is not willing to just go with his previous answer
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