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  3. # [00:05] <pimpbot> planet: Documenting Standards in IE <http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2010/02/24/documenting-standards-in-ie.aspx>
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  16. # [03:09] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: consistency in the parser w.r.t. how steps are introduced. (whatwg r4802) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Feb/0219.html>
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  25. # [03:39] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Only pop out of the current <math> or <svg> context in a case such as <svg><desc><math><b>. (whatwg r4805) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Feb/0223.html> ** microdata; hixie: Make some algorithms things more consistent with other algorithms. (whatwg r4804) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Feb/0222.html> ** hixie: Make some algorithms things more consistent with other algorith
  26. # [03:39] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 8818] Remove the srcdoc attribute <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Feb/1117.html> ** [Bug 8966] Consider "<svg><desc><div><svg><desc><b>X" — Should we change "Pop elements from the stack of open elements until the current node is in the HTML namespace." in the in-foreign-content mode to actually be "Pop elements until there's no element in scope t <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla
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  32. # [04:10] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: elements aren't stacks, they're _in_ stacks. (whatwg r4806) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Feb/0224.html>
  33. # [04:10] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 9060] Add "in" into: "the user agent must act as if the element was" ...in... "a stack of open elements."" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Feb/1123.html> ** [Bug 8722] focus behaviour should be same for canvas regions as for elements <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Feb/1121.html> ** [Bug 9052] All DOCTYPE variants that trigger standards mode pre-H
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  37. # [05:10] <pimpbot> changes: 2Dapi; hixie: Change dates for publication. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Feb/0226.html> ** microdata; hixie: Change dates for publication. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Feb/0227.html> ** hixie: Change dates for publication. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Feb/0225.html>
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  40. # [05:40] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Make <applet> more consistent with <object>. (whatwg r4807) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Feb/0228.html>
  41. # [05:40] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 9016] Make parameters on applet use the same rules as object (except for codebase="")" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Feb/1126.html> ** [Bug 9071] Handling of "[" in between-doctype-public-and-system-identifiers-state may not be ideal <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Feb/1124.html>
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  43. # [06:10] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Define the obsolete permitted DOCTYPEs in the syntax section. (whatwg r4808) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Feb/0229.html>
  44. # [06:10] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9071] Handling of "[" in between-doctype-public-and-system-identifiers-state may not be ideal <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Feb/1129.html> ** "[Bug 7616] Move requirement about obsolete doctypes" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Feb/1128.html>
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  47. # [06:40] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 9071] Handling of "[" in between-doctype-public-and-system-identifiers-state may not be ideal" (3 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Feb/1131.html>
  48. # [07:11] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 9071] Handling of "[" in between-doctype-public-and-system-identifiers-state may not be ideal" (4 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Feb/1132.html>
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  50. # [07:41] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Fix to canonical case. (whatwg r4810) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Feb/0231.html> ** hixie: Clarify the form intro style and fix a typo. (whatwg r4809) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Feb/0230.html>
  51. # [07:41] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9043] Must the href attribute of <base> be a full URL, including http://...; if so, what is the correct terminology for that? I tried following the "valid URL" link and it goes down a rabbit hole to http://www.w3.org/html/wg/href/draft, which does not define "v <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Feb/1144.html> ** [Bug 9045] The term "valid URL" is used here, but following the link does not lead to a definition
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  68. # [10:42] <pimpbot> changes: websockets; hixie: Define whether amountBuffered includes overhead or not (it does not). (whatwg r4812) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Feb/0233.html> ** hixie: Change autobuffer to preload. (whatwg r4811) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Feb/0232.html>
  69. # [10:42] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 9083] This should mention that it includes framing overhead." (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Feb/1148.html> ** "[Bug 8731] Consider expanding buffering control for media elements" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Feb/1146.html>
  70. # [10:44] <CIA-1> v.nu-syntax: sideshowbarker * r535 /trunk/relaxng/media.rnc: rename autobuffer attribute to "preload"
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  74. # [11:42] <pimpbot> changes: mike: sync to upstream spec rename of autobuffer attribute to "preload" <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Feb/0234.html>
  75. # [11:42] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9144] New: &#13; should expand to CR <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Feb/1150.html> ** [Bug 9143] New: I notice that under the definition for the-i-element it says "Authors are encouraged to use the class attribute on the i element to identify why the element is being used", but there's no similar text for b. Given the Note on both, it seems you'd want to <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-b
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  77. # [12:12] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Make this more readable. (whatwg r4813) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Feb/0235.html>
  78. # [12:12] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9091] <span itemprop="fn">David Junger</span> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Feb/1155.html> ** [Bug 9084] Opera's implementation of this treats the comma as a delimiter (i.e. if you select Abyssinian from the drop-down and type a ',' after that, it gives you the drop-down again to select another item). I like this feature but want to make sure it is interopab <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-h
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  80. # [12:42] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9097] Add wbr { content: "\200B"; } (ZWSP)? <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Feb/1160.html> ** [Bug 9096] Mapping U+0000 to U+FFFD regresses rendering of pages <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Feb/1159.html> ** [Bug 9094] It should be stylable (thru CSS markup) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Feb/1158.html> ** [Bug 9093] </p>text would
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  92. # [15:12] <CIA-1> v.nu-validator: sideshowbarker * r344 /trunk/schema/legacy/legacy.rnc:
  93. # [15:12] <CIA-1> v.nu-validator: patch from Yudai to add hr/@color as obsolete/legacy attribute (b=692)
  94. # [15:12] <CIA-1> v.nu-validator: http://bugzilla.validator.nu/show_bug.cgi?id=692
  95. # [15:12] <pimpbot> Title: Bug 692 should give the obsolete message (at bugzilla.validator.nu)
  96. # [15:13] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9146] New: is this useful? <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Feb/1161.html>
  97. # [15:14] <Philip> pimpbot: Yes, it is
  98. # [15:14] <pimpbot> Philip: Huh?
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  104. # [15:39] <pimpbot> planet: HTML/Javascript inking or drawing control suggestions? <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2334267/html-javascript-inking-or-drawing-control-suggestions>
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  109. # [15:43] <pimpbot> changes: mike: added "The color attribute on the hr element is obsolete. Use CSS instead" to <hr> "Additional constraints and admonitions" <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Feb/0236.html>
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  111. # [16:00] <CIA-1> v.nu-syntax: patch from Yudai to emit a "... Use CSS instead." error for obsolete hr/@color attribute (b=692)
  112. # [16:00] <CIA-1> v.nu-syntax: http://bugzilla.validator.nu/show_bug.cgi?id=692
  113. # [16:00] <pimpbot> Title: Bug 692 should give the obsolete message (at bugzilla.validator.nu)
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  115. # [16:39] <pimpbot> planet: Can you play a <video> inside the page with Safari iPhone? <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2334898/can-you-play-a-video-inside-the-page-with-safari-iphone>
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  130. # [17:49] <mjs> good morning
  131. # [17:51] <plh> hi mjs
  132. # [17:51] <plh> please check your public-html emails
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  135. # [17:58] <cardona507> good morning - interesting topic
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  138. # [18:00] <plh> trackbot-ng, start telcon
  139. # [18:00] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference
  140. # [18:00] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  141. # [18:00] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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  143. # [18:00] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be HTML
  144. # [18:00] <Zakim> HTML matches both HTML_WG()12:00PM and WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM
  145. # [18:00] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  146. # [18:00] <trackbot> Date: 25 February 2010
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  148. # [18:01] <plh> zakim, this will be HTML_WG
  149. # [18:01] <Zakim> ok, plh, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
  150. # [18:01] * plh zakim, call plh-work
  151. # [18:01] * Zakim ok, plh; the call is being made
  152. # [18:01] <Zakim> +Plh
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  160. # [18:02] <cardona507> zakim, mute me
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  163. # [18:02] <Zakim> sorry, cardona507, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
  164. # [18:02] <cardona507> zakim, +1.831.454.aabb is me
  165. # [18:02] <Zakim> +cardona507; got it
  166. # [18:02] <cardona507> zakim, mute me
  167. # [18:02] <Zakim> cardona507 should now be muted
  168. # [18:03] <Zakim> +??P0
  169. # [18:03] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  170. # [18:03] <Zakim> +Rich
  171. # [18:03] <Julian> Zaim, +??P0 is me
  172. # [18:03] <Zakim> +[Apple]
  173. # [18:03] <Julian> Zakim, +??P0 is me
  174. # [18:03] <Zakim> sorry, Julian, I do not recognize a party named '+??P0'
  175. # [18:03] <Eliot_Graff> Zakim, Microsoft is me
  176. # [18:03] <Zakim> +Eliot_Graff; got it
  177. # [18:03] <dsinger> zakim, [apple] has dsinger
  178. # [18:03] <Zakim> +dsinger; got it
  179. # [18:03] <Julian> Zakim, +P0 is me
  180. # [18:03] <Zakim> sorry, Julian, I do not recognize a party named '+P0'
  181. # [18:03] <Julian> Zakim, P0 is me
  182. # [18:03] <Zakim> sorry, Julian, I do not recognize a party named 'P0'
  183. # [18:04] <dsinger> zakim, +??P0 is Julian
  184. # [18:04] <Zakim> sorry, dsinger, I do not recognize a party named '+??P0'
  185. # [18:04] <dsinger> zakim, +??P0 is Julian
  186. # [18:04] <Zakim> sorry, dsinger, I do not recognize a party named '+??P0'
  187. # [18:04] * rubys zakim, P0 is Julian
  188. # [18:04] * Zakim sorry, rubys, I do not recognize a party named 'P0'
  189. # [18:04] <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
  190. # [18:04] * Julian thinks about changing my IRC name to P0
  191. # [18:04] <dsinger> zakim, ??P0 is Julioan
  192. # [18:04] <Zakim> +Julioan; got it
  193. # [18:04] <dsinger> zakim, Julioan is Julian
  194. # [18:04] <Zakim> +Julian; got it
  195. # [18:05] * dsinger !!
  196. # [18:05] <RobEnnals> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
  197. # [18:05] <Zakim> +RobEnnals; got it
  198. # [18:05] * Julian HE DID IT
  199. # [18:05] <Zakim> + +1.206.922.aacc
  200. # [18:05] <adrianba> zakim, aacc is adrianba
  201. # [18:05] <Zakim> +adrianba; got it
  202. # [18:05] <Zakim> + +1.415.595.aadd
  203. # [18:06] <rubys> scribe: rubys
  204. # [18:06] <dsinger> zakim, aadd is Mjs
  205. # [18:06] <Zakim> +Mjs; got it
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  207. # [18:06] <rubys> topic: ACTION items due by Thu Feb 18
  208. # [18:06] <rubys> ACTION-29?
  209. # [18:06] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-29
  210. # [18:06] <trackbot> ACTION-29 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to follow up on the idea of a free-software-compatible license for a note on HTML authoring -- due 2010-02-25 -- OPEN
  211. # [18:06] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/29
  212. # [18:06] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-29 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  213. # [18:07] * shepazu Zakim, call shepazu
  214. # [18:07] <rubys> plh: a survey was sent to the members, it is not over yet, and we will have a discussion about this topic at the AC meeting
  215. # [18:07] * Zakim ok, shepazu; the call is being made
  216. # [18:07] <Zakim> +Shepazu
  217. # [18:07] <rubys> plh: propose another check at the end of march... 25th
  218. # [18:07] <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike
  219. # [18:07] <rubys> action-29 due march 29
  220. # [18:07] * trackbot attempting to change due date on ACTION-29.
  221. # [18:07] <trackbot> ACTION-29 Follow up on the idea of a free-software-compatible license for a note on HTML authoring due date now march 29
  222. # [18:07] <Zakim> +Michael_Cooper
  223. # [18:08] <MikeSmith> Zakim, Mike is me
  224. # [18:08] <rubys> ACTION-172?
  225. # [18:08] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-172
  226. # [18:08] <trackbot> ACTION-172 -- Larry Masinter to insure Change Proposal for ISSUE-4 (versioning) also covers ISSUE-84 (legacy doctype) -- due 2010-02-25 -- OPEN
  227. # [18:08] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/172
  228. # [18:08] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-172 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  229. # [18:08] <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
  230. # [18:08] <Zakim> +Mike
  231. # [18:08] <Zakim> +kliehm
  232. # [18:08] <Zakim> +MikeSmith; got it
  233. # [18:08] <Zakim> +Laura
  234. # [18:08] <MikeSmith> Zakim, Mike is me
  235. # [18:08] <Zakim> +MikeSmith; got it
  236. # [18:08] <MikeSmith> Zakim, mute me
  237. # [18:08] <Zakim> MikeSmith.a should now be muted
  238. # [18:08] <rubys> mjs: larry is not present, and the chairs have called for counter proposals.
  239. # [18:08] * kliehm zakim, mute me
  240. # [18:08] * Zakim kliehm should now be muted
  241. # [18:09] <rubys> topic: Update on proposed publications
  242. # [18:09] <rubys> mjs: 6 drafts were proposed for publications; the chairs have recorded a working group decision to publish. There were a handful of objections but wide support.
  243. # [18:10] <richardschwerdtfe> q+
  244. # [18:10] * Zakim sees richardschwerdtfe on the speaker queue
  245. # [18:10] <rubys> mjs: we also got the input we requested from the director, and will be submitting the transition request after the meeting
  246. # [18:10] <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
  247. # [18:10] <rubys> richard: did steve come forward with a caret tracking proposal?
  248. # [18:10] <rubys> mjs: I'm not aware of such a proposal
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  250. # [18:10] <rubys> ack next
  251. # [18:10] * Zakim sees richardschwerdtfe at the head of the speaker queue
  252. # [18:10] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  253. # [18:11] <rubys> mjs: any other questions on publications?
  254. # [18:11] <rubys> topic: Call for Proposals that close by Thu Feb 25
  255. # [18:11] <rubys> ISSUE-82?
  256. # [18:11] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-82
  257. # [18:11] <trackbot> ISSUE-82 -- Suggested replacement for head/@profile does not provide for disambiguation -- RAISED
  258. # [18:11] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/82
  259. # [18:11] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-82 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  260. # [18:11] <rubys> mjs: julian has made comments, but not volunteered yet...
  261. # [18:12] <rubys> julian: I've looked at the text. The way it is written is hard to fix and will need to be rewritten.
  262. # [18:12] <richardschwerdtfe> q?
  263. # [18:12] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  264. # [18:12] <rubys> julian: I've asked if it is appropriate for a separate spec to override the requirements that html5 has
  265. # [18:13] <rubys> mjs: it definitely is OK for an extension spec to override processing requirements. The RDFa spec does such.
  266. # [18:13] <rubys> julian: the difference is that the thing that needs to be overridden also affects documents which don't make use of profile
  267. # [18:13] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9148] New: "either does not expect the user to need the media resource, but that" -- "either ... but" is wrong, this needs to be reworded. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Feb/1162.html>
  268. # [18:14] <rubys> julian: the new spec would need to define the extended semantics of profile, which goes beyond what HTML4 said
  269. # [18:14] <rubys> julian: I'm leaning towards deciding that a change proposal is needed.
  270. # [18:14] <rubys> mjs: are you volunteering?
  271. # [18:15] <rubys> julian: yep, give me a month
  272. # [18:15] <rubys> mjs: ok, we will put you down for a month from today. If you decide that a CP is not needed, simply let us know.
  273. # [18:15] <rubys> ISSUE-74?
  274. # [18:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-74
  275. # [18:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-74 -- How accessibility works for <canvas> is unclear. -- OPEN
  276. # [18:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/74
  277. # [18:15] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-74 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  278. # [18:16] <rubys> richard: we are close to consensus on a new attribute called adom. We need to make it a bit more generic.
  279. # [18:16] <rubys> richard: I'd like another week to address the concerns.
  280. # [18:17] * Julian wonders whether TimBl#s message contains directions on what the Status sections should say.
  281. # [18:17] <rubys> mjs: another week is fine, and notes that submitting does not mean that you have to stop work. It can be a solid first draft.
  282. # [18:17] <rubys> mjs: we will extend it a week.
  283. # [18:17] <rubys> ack next
  284. # [18:17] * Zakim sees no one at the head of the speaker queue
  285. # [18:17] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  286. # [18:17] <rubys> topic: New Calls for Proposals/Consensus this Week
  287. # [18:17] <rubys> ISSUE-41?
  288. # [18:17] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-41
  289. # [18:17] <trackbot> ISSUE-41 -- Decentralized extensibility -- OPEN
  290. # [18:17] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/41
  291. # [18:17] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-41 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  292. # [18:18] <rubys> mjs: this is the only new proposal as we think it will be a big topic, and we already have one volunteer.
  293. # [18:18] <rubys> mjs: calls for counter proposals: issues 4, 31, 80, 88
  294. # [18:18] <rubys> mjs: issue 4 has already received a counter proposal
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  296. # [18:19] <oedipus> regrets+ Gregory_Rosmaita
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  298. # [18:19] <rubys> mjs: we also wanted to give the tag a chance to provide input on 4, as they have made a specific request to be given an opportunity to do so
  299. # [18:19] <rubys> mjs: calls for consensus: issues 1, 2, and 55.
  300. # [18:20] <rubys> mjs: questions?
  301. # [18:20] <rubys> topic: Reminders of other upcoming deadlines
  302. # [18:20] <rubys> issue-56?
  303. # [18:20] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-56
  304. # [18:20] <trackbot> ISSUE-56 -- Bring "URLs" section/definition and IRI specification in alignment. -- OPEN
  305. # [18:20] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/56
  306. # [18:20] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-56 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  307. # [18:20] <Julian> q+ on ISSUE-27
  308. # [18:20] * Zakim sees Julian on the speaker queue
  309. # [18:21] <rubys> issue-85?
  310. # [18:21] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-85
  311. # [18:21] <trackbot> ISSUE-85 -- ARIA roles added to the a element should be conforming in HTML5 -- RAISED
  312. # [18:21] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/85
  313. # [18:21] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-85 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  314. # [18:22] <rubys> mjs: in both cases, the proposals are lacking details, we would like to see both by February 28th
  315. # [18:22] <rubys> issue-27?
  316. # [18:22] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-27
  317. # [18:22] <trackbot> ISSUE-27 -- @rel value ownership, registry consideration -- OPEN
  318. # [18:22] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/27
  319. # [18:22] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-27 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  320. # [18:22] <rubys> mjs: we have support for the idea of testing the registry, but no volunteers. We either need a volunteer, or we will move forward with the change proposal as is.
  321. # [18:22] <mjs> ack
  322. # [18:22] <rubys> mjs: worst case, if later testing uncovers something, we can treat that as new information
  323. # [18:22] <rubys> ack next
  324. # [18:22] * Zakim sees Julian at the head of the speaker queue
  325. # [18:22] <Zakim> Julian, you wanted to comment on ISSUE-27
  326. # [18:22] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  327. # [18:23] <rubys> julian: the registry does not exist yet, and won't by (I guess) by the end of March
  328. # [18:23] <rubys> julain: I would support closing the change proposal, and reopening (if necessary) if there is new data
  329. # [18:24] <rubys> mjs: we have no volunteers yet, and we will give volunteers an adequate amount of time to do their task
  330. # [18:24] <rubys> mjs: any other questions?
  331. # [18:24] <rubys> topic: New Issues This Week
  332. # [18:24] <Julian> ..."closing" as in "accepting"
  333. # [18:24] <rubys> issue-103?
  334. # [18:24] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-103
  335. # [18:24] <trackbot> ISSUE-103 -- XML escaping in iframe/@srcdoc -- RAISED
  336. # [18:24] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/103
  337. # [18:24] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-103 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  338. # [18:25] <rubys> mjs: we have an issue already about having the srcdoc, this one is more specific dealing with the attribute in the context of xml
  339. # [18:25] <rubys> issue-104?
  340. # [18:25] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-104
  341. # [18:25] <trackbot> ISSUE-104 -- Clarify that mime type sniffing is optional -- RAISED
  342. # [18:25] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/104
  343. # [18:25] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-104 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  344. # [18:25] <rubys> mjs: in this case, the spec defers to an IETF draft. That draft itself makes sniffing optional.
  345. # [18:26] <rubys> mjs: questions or comments?
  346. # [18:26] <MikeSmith> Zakim, unmute me
  347. # [18:26] <Zakim> MikeSmith.a should no longer be muted
  348. # [18:26] <rubys> topic: Accessibility task force
  349. # [18:26] <rubys> mike: richard is prepared to discuss canvas
  350. # [18:26] <Laura> HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference Minutes: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/25-html-a11y-minutes.html
  351. # [18:26] <pimpbot> Title: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference -- 25 Feb 2010 (at www.w3.org)
  352. # [18:27] <rubys> richard: we talked about issue-74 on the call already, I asked for another week.
  353. # [18:27] <Laura> Consensus test on canvas change proposal survey http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/44061/20100225_canvas/results
  354. # [18:27] <rubys> richard: chaals is going to provide a proposal for alternatives to a subtree
  355. # [18:27] <pimpbot> Title: Results of Questionnaire Consensus test on canvas change proposal - Web-Based Straw-poll and Balloting System (at www.w3.org)
  356. # [18:28] <rubys> action-170?
  357. # [18:28] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-170
  358. # [18:28] <trackbot> ACTION-170 -- Janina Sajka to update A11Y timeline for tracker related issues -- due 2010-02-25 -- OPEN
  359. # [18:28] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/170
  360. # [18:28] <Laura> Details element as a replacement for the summary attribute survey http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/44061/20100225_summary/results
  361. # [18:28] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-170 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  362. # [18:28] <pimpbot> Title: Results of Questionnaire Details element as a replacement for the summary attribute - Web-Based Straw-poll and Balloting System (at www.w3.org)
  363. # [18:28] <rubys> action-170 due in one week
  364. # [18:28] * trackbot attempting to change due date on ACTION-170.
  365. # [18:28] <trackbot> ACTION-170 Update A11Y timeline for tracker related issues due date now in one week
  366. # [18:29] <Laura> Change Proposal: Make the table summary attribute valid and conforming in HTML5 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/SummaryAttribute20100222
  367. # [18:29] <pimpbot> Title: ChangeProposals/SummaryAttribute20100222 - HTML WG Wiki (at www.w3.org)
  368. # [18:29] <rubys> cynthia: we send a change proposal on summary to the list early last week, and we are split about 50/50. I'm not going to be able to do much more on that in the next three weeks.
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  370. # [18:29] <rubys> cynthia: laura has an alternate proposal, I don't know if either will get consensus.
  371. # [18:30] <rubys> cynthia: I think you can expect an updated revision to go the TF in 3 weeks, and best case it will get consensus one week after that.
  372. # [18:30] <rubys> mjs: I'll record that we we ask for an update in 4 weeks
  373. # [18:30] <rubys> mike: there has been a lot of work on media accessiibility, we may be close to agreement on proposals shortly.
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  375. # [18:31] <rubys> mike: what I need to do is put a few short surveys based on text provided to me by sylvia. We should have results by the time of the next call next week.
  376. # [18:31] <rubys> mjs: any other news?
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  378. # [18:32] * kliehm zakim, unmute me
  379. # [18:32] * Zakim kliehm should no longer be muted
  380. # [18:32] <MikeSmith> Zakim, mute me
  381. # [18:32] <Zakim> MikeSmith.a should now be muted
  382. # [18:32] <rubys> cynthia: if anybody is at SxSW, I'd like to talk informally about summary...
  383. # [18:32] <rubys> topic: Testing TF
  384. # [18:32] <krisk> Testing task force update - I'm only on IRC not the phone
  385. # [18:32] <krisk> Meet as planned on 2/22 (light attendance)
  386. # [18:32] <krisk> Notes -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2010Feb/0013.html
  387. # [18:32] <pimpbot> Title: [minutes] 20100224 HTML Test Suite Task Force from Philippe Le Hegaret on 2010-02-23 (public-html-testsuite@w3.org from February 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  388. # [18:32] <krisk> Mecurial is up - thanks Philippe!
  389. # [18:33] <kliehm> There are 3 sessions on HTML5 at SXSW Sunday afternoon, we'll be there.
  390. # [18:33] <krisk> Started to submit tests from the HTML DOM test suite
  391. # [18:33] <krisk> See -> http://dev.w3.org/html5/tests/submission/Microsoft/htmldom/
  392. # [18:33] <pimpbot> Title: Index of /html5/tests/submission/Microsoft/htmldom (at dev.w3.org)
  393. # [18:33] <krisk> Incorrect tests will be updated upon agreement from discussions in list/meetings.
  394. # [18:33] <krisk> Watch the list and meeting notes for more information
  395. # [18:33] <rubys> plh: user and password for Mercurial is the same as for your W3C account, no ssh keys are required
  396. # [18:34] <krisk> Thats it for the status report
  397. # [18:35] <rubys> mjs: anything else?
  398. # [18:35] <Zakim> -Rich
  399. # [18:35] <rubys> topic: Scribe for next meeting
  400. # [18:35] <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
  401. # [18:35] <rubys> plh: I'm willing to scribe
  402. # [18:36] <Zakim> -Julian
  403. # [18:36] <MikeSmith> Zakim, drop Mike
  404. # [18:36] <Zakim> MikeSmith.a is being disconnected
  405. # [18:36] <cardona507> thanks everyone
  406. # [18:36] <Zakim> -MikeSmith.a
  407. # [18:36] <Zakim> -RobEnnals
  408. # [18:36] <rubys> mjs: we are no adjourned
  409. # [18:36] * dsinger bye!
  410. # [18:36] <Zakim> - +1.732.238.aaaa
  411. # [18:36] <Zakim> -Plh
  412. # [18:36] <Zakim> -adrianba
  413. # [18:36] <Zakim> -kliehm
  414. # [18:36] <Zakim> -Mjs
  415. # [18:36] <dsinger> s/no/now/
  416. # [18:36] <Zakim> -Eliot_Graff
  417. # [18:36] <rubys> rrsagent, publish minutes
  418. # [18:36] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/02/25-html-wg-minutes.html rubys
  419. # [18:36] <Zakim> -Laura
  420. # [18:36] <cardona507> for the record I was on the irc for last weeks meeting but my name wasn't in the record - have a nice day
  421. # [18:36] <Zakim> -Shepazu
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  424. # [18:36] <Zakim> -Sam
  425. # [18:36] <Zakim> -[Apple]
  426. # [18:36] <Zakim> -cardona507
  427. # [18:36] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  428. # [18:36] <Zakim> Attendees were +1.732.238.aaaa, Plh, Sam, cardona507, Rich, Eliot_Graff, dsinger, Julian, RobEnnals, +1.206.922.aacc, adrianba, +1.415.595.aadd, Mjs, Shepazu, Michael_Cooper,
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  438. # [18:39] <pimpbot> planet: Which Windows web development software supports HTML5 and CSS3? <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2274830/which-windows-web-development-software-supports-html5-and-css3>
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  445. # [19:40] <pimpbot> planet: Tim Berners-Lee rejects Adobe's procedural arguments, allows all HTML5 Working Drafts to be published: http://is.gd/9aAUd <http://twitter.com/diveintomark/statuses/9635790453>
  446. # [19:44] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9149] New: Don't require set-cookie2; see <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=472529#c129> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Feb/1165.html> ** [Bug 9128] It seems a bad idea to willfully violate the character model specification for a new standard. New HTML documents should have the correct encoding and should not need to be mis-interpreted. Why not specify mandatory UTF-8 anyway? <http://lists.w3
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  453. # [20:40] <pimpbot> planet: Adobe’s non-Formal non-Objection <http://intertwingly.net/blog/2010/02/18/Adobes-non-Formal-non-Objection>
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  455. # [20:51] <Dashiva> One thing that strikes me about that blog post is the assertion that the suggestion was "only" to move stuff elsewhere
  456. # [20:52] <Dashiva> That's just the first step, of course. We saw that with microdata, when immediately after it was split out, the tune changed to blocking a separate draft as well
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  462. # [21:14] <pimpbot> mjs: Huh?
  463. # [21:20] <Philip> That blog post was just updated
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  465. # [21:29] <mjs> ah so
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  468. # [21:40] <pimpbot> planet: HTML5 Canvas compositing question (source-in) <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2337382/html5-canvas-compositing-question-source-in> ** Bleach, HTML sanitizer and auto-linker for Django <http://coffeeonthekeyboard.com/bleach-html-sanitizer-and-auto-linker-for-django-344/>
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  476. # [23:15] <pimpbot> changes: mjs: Updated deadline on ISSUE-74. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Feb/0239.html> ** mjs: Record Julian Reschke as volunteer for ISSUE-82. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Feb/0238.html> ** mjs: Add deadline for ISSUE-32. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Feb/0237.html>
  477. # [23:15] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9152] New: The list of elements doesn't include elements like input, select (and probably others) that are includes in MSIE. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Feb/1167.html> ** [Bug 9151] New: The first item in the list seems truncated or not in item list form. It ends "and," <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Feb/1166.html>
  478. # [23:41] <pimpbot> planet: Minutes of SUMO meeting 2010-02-23 <http://blog.mozilla.com/sumo/2010/02/25/minutes-of-sumo-meeting-2010-02-23/>
  479. # [23:45] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9097] Add wbr { content: "\200B"; } (ZWSP)? <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Feb/1171.html> ** "[Bug 9071] Handling of "[" in between-doctype-public-and-system-identifiers-state may not be ideal" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Feb/1170.html> ** [Bug 9153] New: The element list isn't in alphabetical order (unlike the same element list further down).
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