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  32. # [04:21] <pimpbot> changes: mike: further tweak to h:tml to quiet the pubrules checker <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Mar/0052.html> ** websocket; hixie: Add a closing handshake. (whatwg r4820) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Mar/0051.html>
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  55. # [08:22] <pimpbot> changes: SSE; hixie: w3c continues to insist on using html4 apparently. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Mar/0061.html> ** webDB; hixie: w3c continues to insist on using html4 apparently. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Mar/0060.html> ** workers; hixie: w3c continues to insist on using html4 apparently. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Mar/0059.html> ** webs
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  93. # [11:52] <pimpbot> planet: How to parse onclick javascript event parameter using MSHTML? <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1692481/how-to-parse-onclick-javascript-event-parameter-using-mshtml> ** IEBlog : How IE8 Determines Document Mode <http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2010/03/02/how-ie8-determines-document-mode.aspx>
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  99. # [13:53] <pimpbot> planet: How to change the opacity (alpha, transparency) of an element in a canvas element after it has been drawn? <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2359537/how-to-change-the-opacity-alpha-transparency-of-an-element-in-a-canvas-element>
  100. # [13:53] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 8722] focus behaviour should be same for canvas regions as for elements <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Mar/0022.html>
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  109. # [15:30] <myakura> http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-html5-20100304/ yay.
  110. # [15:30] <pimpbot> Title: HTML5 (at www.w3.org)
  111. # [15:31] -myakura:#html-wg- sees microdata, 2dcontext, html5-diff, rdfa-in-html but not mike's markup draft.
  112. # [15:31] <Philip> I thought the 2010 was going to be removed?
  113. # [15:32] <Philip> Oh, maybe that was just for the short names
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  118. # [15:54] <plh> Philip, yes, that was for the shortnames
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  120. # [16:02] <Lachy> why does /TR/html5/ still point to the old draft?
  121. # [16:04] <plh> because the webmaster isn't done yet
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  123. # [16:24] <Julian> it would have been nice if the published WD didn't contain stuff we already agreed should be removed, but I guess I'll have to wait for the next draft then (and in the meantime explain to outsiders why we publish stuff we agreed to drop)
  124. # [16:25] <knowtheory> heh, which stuff is this?
  125. # [16:25] <Julian> "hyperlink auditing"
  126. # [16:25] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9187] New: Need transparency in issue and bug status in databases & document. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Mar/0024.html>
  127. # [16:29] <Philip> It doesn't sound like a complex explanation to me - there's always a lot of known bugs and issues, which will be resolved over time, and any publication is necessarily a snapshot at a time when some have not yet been resolved
  128. # [16:30] <Philip> It'd be better if it didn't take six months to publish the next snapshot, though
  129. # [16:30] <jgraham> In fact we could just take the limit as t->0 and not bother with snapshots at all
  130. # [16:32] <Philip> I don't think the W3C staff would appreciate having to go through the publication process for every CVS commit
  131. # [16:33] <Philip> and given the W3C's requirement that something is published regularly, the publication process can't be ignored entirely
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  133. # [16:33] <Philip> but the published snapshots shouldn't lag so much behind the editors' drafts
  134. # [16:36] <Julian> published WDs are very important for people outside the W3C/WhatWG lookinh
  135. # [16:36] <Julian> g
  136. # [16:37] <jgraham> Julian: All the people outside the process I have encountered have been horribly confused by the snapshots
  137. # [16:37] <jgraham> since they are always out of date
  138. # [16:38] <jgraham> Philip: Sure, I'm not suggesting that it would work with the current W3C rules
  139. # [16:38] <jgraham> but presumably the rules are a means to an end rather than an end unto themselves
  140. # [16:44] <Julian> people outside the process want to get a signal "please look now", not following commits
  141. # [16:44] <Julian> also, they want something stable to comment on
  142. # [16:44] <Julian> deal with it
  143. # [16:44] <Julian> that also means that a good moment to publish is when there was a significant change
  144. # [16:44] <Julian> or improvement
  145. # [16:45] <Julian> therefore getting the change applied for ISSUE-1 and 2 would have been good
  146. # [16:47] <jgraham> I would like some evidence to back up "people want"
  147. # [16:47] <Dashiva> "good moment to publish" seems incompatible with heartbeat
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  152. # [16:56] <Philip> Dashiva: The HTML WG already seems incompatible with heartbeat
  153. # [16:59] <Philip> Anyway, delaying an already-slow publication cycle for a good moment would be bad, but publishing regularly whenever there's a good moment would be good and better satisfy the heartbeat desires
  154. # [17:01] <Julian> Philip, exactly
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  156. # [17:03] <anne> Julian, what you say people outside the process want does not at all meet my experience
  157. # [17:04] <anne> Julian, almost always the people asking me questions would've had no issue if they looked at the equivalent editor's draft
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  160. # [17:07] <Dashiva> Philip: The overhead of doing a publication seems incompatible with a higher frequency, though
  161. # [17:09] <Philip> Dashiva: Maybe increasing frequency would lower overhead
  162. # [17:09] <Philip> e.g. people wouldn't bother objecting to publication of the new draft, when it's not changed much since the draft that was published a month ago
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  164. # [17:11] <jgraham> Philip: That was roughly the original plan, but it turns out that people are confused into thinking that publication is somehow meaningful
  165. # [17:11] <jgraham> and so fight tooth and nail for their changes to be taken before publication
  166. # [17:12] <jgraham> even though the snapshot is useless
  167. # [17:13] <Philip> jgraham: That seems like a positive feedback loop
  168. # [17:13] <Philip> People think publication is important, so they fight to delay it a bit and so it takes much longer
  169. # [17:14] <Philip> and since publication takes much longer, each snapshot hangs around for a long time and becomes more important
  170. # [17:15] <jgraham> Philip: Apart from the bit about snapshots being more important (they are posibly percieved as more important but are actually less important the longer lived they are), that is exactly what has happened
  171. # [17:15] <Philip> So the solution is to break the loop by forcing a few quick publication cycles
  172. # [17:15] <Philip> s/the/a/
  173. # [17:16] <Philip> and then people will realise it doesn't matter if this version isn't perfect, there'll be another version coming along soon
  174. # [17:16] <jgraham> The loop could be broken by making publication strictly date based
  175. # [17:16] <jgraham> But people wouldn't like that because it would be obvious that it is pointless
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  180. # [17:54] <mjs> morning, folks
  181. # [17:55] <Julian> good evening
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  183. # [17:56] <pimpbot> changes: mike: last minute fixes to get ready for publication <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Mar/0062.html>
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  185. # [17:59] * Philip wonders how to read "last minute fixes"
  186. # [17:59] <Philip> Is it meant to be final tiny fixes?
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  188. # [18:00] <paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Mar/0089.html
  189. # [18:00] <pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2010-03-04: actions, publications, decision policy, issues from Paul Cotton on 2010-03-03 (public-html@w3.org from March 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  190. # [18:00] <Dashiva> A last minute fix is a fix that seems harmless but always turns out to break something
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  192. # [18:01] * plh zakim, who is on the phone?
  193. # [18:01] <plh> trackbot-ng, start telcon
  194. # [18:01] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference
  195. # [18:02] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  196. # [18:02] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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  198. # [18:02] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be HTML
  199. # [18:02] <Zakim> HTML matches both HTML_WG()12:00PM and WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM
  200. # [18:02] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  201. # [18:02] <trackbot> Date: 04 March 2010
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  203. # [18:02] <plh> Chair: Paul
  204. # [18:02] <plh> Scribe: plh
  205. # [18:02] * plh zakim, call plh-work
  206. # [18:02] * Zakim sorry, plh, I don't know what conference this is
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  208. # [18:02] <Julian> zakim, who is on the phone?
  209. # [18:02] <plh> zakim, this is HTML_WG
  210. # [18:02] <Zakim> has not yet started, Julian
  211. # [18:02] <Zakim> ok, plh; that matches HTML_WG()12:00PM
  212. # [18:02] * plh zakim, call plh-work
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  214. # [18:02] <Zakim> On IRC I see adrianba, Zakim, RobEnnals, MichaelC, paulc, rubys, aroben, Mark, kfirst, LeifHS, gavin_, MikeSmith, kliehm, oedipus, paul_irish, miketaylr, anne, plh, Dashiva, Lachy,
  215. # [18:02] <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike
  216. # [18:02] * plh zakim, who is on the phone?
  217. # [18:02] <MikeSmith> Zakim, Mike is me
  218. # [18:03] <Zakim> ... ROBOd, tlr, tinkster, knowtheory, mjs, Julian, krijnh, shepazu, arronei, karl, xover, nunnun, jmb, webben, CIA-1, syp, drry, thugbot, pimpbot, phenny, hober, RRSAgent, Yudai,
  219. # [18:03] <Zakim> ... jgraham, Philip, hsivonen, Hixie, gsnedders, mamund, johndrinkwater, trackbot, Shunsuke, ed_work, gavin, inimino
  220. # [18:03] * Zakim ok, plh; the call is being made
  221. # [18:03] <Zakim> +Plh
  222. # [18:03] <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
  223. # [18:03] <Zakim> +Mike
  224. # [18:03] * Zakim sees on the phone: [Microsoft], +49.251.280.aaaa, Sam, [IPcaller], Plh, Mike (muted), Radhika_Roy
  225. # [18:03] <Zakim> +MikeSmith; got it
  226. # [18:03] <Zakim> +Mjs
  227. # [18:03] <Zakim> +Michael_Cooper
  228. # [18:03] <paulc> Let;s thank Ralph for Zakim!
  229. # [18:03] <RobEnnals> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
  230. # [18:03] <Julian> Zakim, +49.251.280.aaaa is me
  231. # [18:03] <Zakim> +RobEnnals; got it
  232. # [18:03] <Zakim> +Julian; got it
  233. # [18:04] <Zakim> +adrianba
  234. # [18:04] <paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Mar/0089.html
  235. # [18:04] <pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2010-03-04: actions, publications, decision policy, issues from Paul Cotton on 2010-03-03 (public-html@w3.org from March 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  236. # [18:04] <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
  237. # [18:04] <plh> Topic: Action Items Pending Review
  238. # [18:04] <plh> action-171?
  239. # [18:04] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-171
  240. # [18:04] <trackbot> ACTION-171 -- Larry Masinter to update URL change proposal to address rationale for rejecting bug -- due 2010-02-26 -- PENDINGREVIEW
  241. # [18:04] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/171
  242. # [18:04] <Zakim> +Laura
  243. # [18:04] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-171 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  244. # [18:04] <plh> action-172?
  245. # [18:04] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-172
  246. # [18:04] <trackbot> ACTION-172 -- Larry Masinter to insure Change Proposal for ISSUE-4 (versioning) also covers ISSUE-84 (legacy doctype) -- due 2010-02-25 -- PENDINGREVIEW
  247. # [18:04] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/172
  248. # [18:04] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-172 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  249. # [18:05] <plh> close action-171
  250. # [18:05] * trackbot attempting to close ACTION-171.
  251. # [18:05] <trackbot> ACTION-171 update URL change proposal to address rationale for rejecting bug closed
  252. # [18:05] <plh> close action-172
  253. # [18:05] * trackbot attempting to close ACTION-172.
  254. # [18:05] <trackbot> ACTION-172 Insure Change Proposal for ISSUE-4 (versioning) also covers ISSUE-84 (legacy doctype) closed
  255. # [18:05] <plh> Topic: ACTION items due by Thu Mar 4
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  257. # [18:05] <plh> action-165?
  258. # [18:05] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-165
  259. # [18:05] <trackbot> ACTION-165 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to draft a proposal for accessibility of canvas due 25 Feb 2010 -- due 2010-03-04 -- OPEN
  260. # [18:05] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/165
  261. # [18:05] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-165 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  262. # [18:05] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  263. # [18:05] <Eliot_Graff> Zakim, [Microsoft.a] is me
  264. # [18:05] <Zakim> +Eliot_Graff; got it
  265. # [18:05] <plh> Paul: wasn't clear from last week minutes about the status. any update?
  266. # [18:06] <MikeSmith> action-165?
  267. # [18:06] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-165
  268. # [18:06] <trackbot> ACTION-165 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to draft a proposal for accessibility of canvas due 25 Feb 2010 -- due 2010-03-04 -- OPEN
  269. # [18:06] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/165
  270. # [18:06] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-165 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  271. # [18:06] <Zakim> +kliehm
  272. # [18:06] <plh> Mike: talked about it on the html-a11y call today.
  273. # [18:06] * kliehm zakim, mute me
  274. # [18:06] * Zakim kliehm should now be muted
  275. # [18:06] <plh> Paul: we need a realistic date for when something would come forward to the WG
  276. # [18:06] <plh> Mike: ... trying to estimate ...
  277. # [18:07] <plh> ... let's push another 4 weeks
  278. # [18:07] <plh> [New date is April 5]
  279. # [18:07] <plh> action-170?
  280. # [18:07] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-170
  281. # [18:07] <trackbot> ACTION-170 -- Janina Sajka to update A11Y timeline for tracker related issues -- due 2010-03-04 -- OPEN
  282. # [18:07] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/170
  283. # [18:07] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-170 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  284. # [18:08] <plh> Paul: Mike, can Janina attend next week meeting?
  285. # [18:08] * Joins: janina (janina@66.92.170.178)
  286. # [18:08] <plh> Mike: will do
  287. # [18:08] <janina> zkim, call janina
  288. # [18:08] <plh> Paul: for those issues that are in the domain of the TF, what are the ETAs?
  289. # [18:08] <MikeSmith> zakim, call Janina
  290. # [18:08] <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
  291. # [18:08] <Zakim> +Janina
  292. # [18:08] <janina> zakim, call janina
  293. # [18:09] <Zakim> ok, janina; the call is being made
  294. # [18:09] <Zakim> +Janina.a
  295. # [18:09] <plh> ... please enumerate the issues and give us an ETA
  296. # [18:09] <plh> ... email is enough
  297. # [18:09] <plh> Mike: ok
  298. # [18:09] <MikeSmith> action-170?
  299. # [18:09] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-170
  300. # [18:09] <trackbot> ACTION-170 -- Janina Sajka to update A11Y timeline for tracker related issues -- due 2010-03-11 -- OPEN
  301. # [18:09] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/170
  302. # [18:09] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-170 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  303. # [18:09] <Zakim> -Janina.a
  304. # [18:09] <MichaelC> -> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Work_Topics Issues HTML A11Y TF is working on
  305. # [18:09] <pimpbot> Title: Work Topics - HTML accessibility task force Wiki (at www.w3.org)
  306. # [18:09] <plh> Topic: Update on publishing new drafts
  307. # [18:09] <plh> Paul: we have 5 drafts and a diff document
  308. # [18:09] <plh> ... plh, what's the status?
  309. # [18:10] <plh> plh: all docs are ready except markup language
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  311. # [18:10] <plh> Mike: markup language will be done in 5 minutes
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  313. # [18:11] <paulc> For example: HTML Microdata - http://dev.w3.org/html5/md/
  314. # [18:11] <pimpbot> Title: HTML Microdata (at dev.w3.org)
  315. # [18:11] <plh> Paul: I took the content in the original pubreq
  316. # [18:11] <Zakim> +cardona507
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  318. # [18:11] <paulc> Should md be microdata?
  319. # [18:11] <cardona507> zakim mute me
  320. # [18:12] <Eliot_Graff> Zakim, [Microsoft.a] has Eliot_Graff, JMann
  321. # [18:12] <Zakim> sorry, Eliot_Graff, I do not recognize a party named '[Microsoft.a]'
  322. # [18:12] <plh> ... Should md be microdata?
  323. # [18:12] <plh> Mike: we're getting in sync
  324. # [18:12] <paulc> Mike: This is all resolved ie. alignment of short names with current drafts
  325. # [18:13] <plh> Paul: please send an email with the correct links to public-html once published
  326. # [18:13] <Zakim> -cardona507
  327. # [18:13] <plh> Topic: WG Decision Policy
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  329. # [18:13] <paulc> Decision policy bug list: http://tinyurl.com/ygc6uw8
  330. # [18:13] <pimpbot> Title: Bug List (at tinyurl.com)
  331. # [18:13] <Laura> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=HTML+WG&component=working+group+Decision+Policy
  332. # [18:13] <pimpbot> Title: Bug List (at www.w3.org)
  333. # [18:13] <Zakim> +cardona507
  334. # [18:13] <plh> Paul: there is a list of outstanding bugs on the decision policy and the chairs didn't make progress on them yet.
  335. # [18:14] <cardona507> Zakim, mute me
  336. # [18:14] <Zakim> cardona507 should now be muted
  337. # [18:14] <plh> ... some commentaries on several of the bugs in the last 48 hours. some discussion in the interpretation, like what the open state means. pending item on the chairs.
  338. # [18:14] <Zakim> + +1.425.214.aabb
  339. # [18:14] <plh> ... the chairs have spent the last 2 weeks getting the publication done and did't progress on the policy.
  340. # [18:14] <plh> Topic: Call For Consensus that close by Mar 4:
  341. # [18:15] <plh> --> http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html
  342. # [18:15] <plh> change status page
  343. # [18:15] <pimpbot> Title: Change Proposal Status (at dev.w3.org)
  344. # [18:15] <plh> issue-1?
  345. # [18:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-1
  346. # [18:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-1 -- hyperlink auditing requires use of unsafe HTTP method -- OPEN
  347. # [18:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/1
  348. # [18:15] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-1 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  349. # [18:15] <oedipus> regrets+ Gregory_Rosmaita
  350. # [18:15] <plh> issue-2?
  351. # [18:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-2
  352. # [18:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-2 -- Practicability of UI requirements for hyperlink auditing -- OPEN
  353. # [18:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/2
  354. # [18:15] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-2 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  355. # [18:15] <paulc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Feb/0795.html
  356. # [18:15] <pimpbot> Title: CfC: Adopt ISSUE-1 PINGUI / ISSUE-2 PINGPOST Change Proposal to remove ping from HTML5 from Maciej Stachowiak on 2010-02-24 (public-html@w3.org from February 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  357. # [18:15] <plh> Paul: both CfC on issue 1 and 2 didn't raise objections.
  358. # [18:16] <plh> ... we've seen a counter proposal but it seems ok to drop this feature from HTML5
  359. # [18:16] <plh> Resolved: ping and hyperlink auditing are removed
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  361. # [18:16] <plh> ISSUE-1 and ISSUE-2 are resolved
  362. # [18:17] <rubys> close issue-1
  363. # [18:17] * trackbot attempting to close ISSUE-1.
  364. # [18:17] <trackbot> ISSUE-1 hyperlink auditing requires use of unsafe HTTP method closed
  365. # [18:17] <plh> close issue-2
  366. # [18:17] * trackbot attempting to close ISSUE-2.
  367. # [18:17] <trackbot> ISSUE-2 Practicability of UI requirements for hyperlink auditing closed
  368. # [18:17] <plh> issue-55?
  369. # [18:17] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-55
  370. # [18:17] <trackbot> ISSUE-55 -- head/@profile missing, but used in other specifications/formats -- OPEN
  371. # [18:17] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/55
  372. # [18:17] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-55 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  373. # [18:17] <paulc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Feb/0794.html
  374. # [18:17] <pimpbot> Title: CfC: Close ISSUE-55 profile by amicable resolution from Maciej Stachowiak on 2010-02-24 (public-html@w3.org from February 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  375. # [18:18] <plh> Paul: we got a proposal to address the issue without changing the html5 spec.
  376. # [18:18] <plh> ... proposal is to close the issue for now.
  377. # [18:18] <plh> ... we'll get an extension proposal at a later time
  378. # [18:18] <plh> ... Julian, do you want an action item for that?
  379. # [18:19] <plh> Julian: that seems appropriate by the end of the month
  380. # [18:19] <plh> ACTION: Julian to follow-up on defining and extending the profile attribute
  381. # [18:19] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  382. # [18:19] * RRSAgent records action 1
  383. # [18:19] <trackbot> Created ACTION-175 - Follow-up on defining and extending the profile attribute [on Julian Reschke - due 2010-03-11].
  384. # [18:19] <bsulliva> zakim, +1.425.214.aabb is bsulliva
  385. # [18:19] <Zakim> +bsulliva; got it
  386. # [18:20] <plh> due on April 5
  387. # [18:20] <plh> close issue-55
  388. # [18:20] * trackbot attempting to close ISSUE-55.
  389. # [18:20] <trackbot> ISSUE-55 head/@profile missing, but used in other specifications/formats closed
  390. # [18:20] <plh> Maciej: we shouldn't close issue 1 and issue 2 until the spec changes are made
  391. # [18:21] <plh> Paul: want to move them to pending review
  392. # [18:21] <plh> Maciej: sure
  393. # [18:21] <plh> plh: done
  394. # [18:22] <plh> Maciej: will send a reply announcing the change
  395. # [18:22] <plh> Topic: Call for Proposals that close by Thu Mar 4
  396. # [18:22] <plh> issue-74?
  397. # [18:22] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-74
  398. # [18:22] <trackbot> ISSUE-74 -- How accessibility works for <canvas> is unclear. -- OPEN
  399. # [18:22] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/74
  400. # [18:22] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-74 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  401. # [18:22] <plh> Paul: we dealt with along with action 65
  402. # [18:22] <plh> s/65/165/
  403. # [18:23] <plh> Topic: Items that close next week
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  405. # [18:23] <plh> issue-66?
  406. # [18:23] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-66
  407. # [18:23] <trackbot> ISSUE-66 -- image analysis heuristics -- OPEN
  408. # [18:23] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/66
  409. # [18:23] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-66 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
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  411. # [18:23] <plh> Paul: we have a change proposal for issue 66. we need a counter proposal or objection by next week
  412. # [18:24] <Laura> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Accessibility_Change_Proposal_Status
  413. # [18:24] <pimpbot> Title: Accessibility Change Proposal Status - HTML accessibility task force Wiki (at www.w3.org)
  414. # [18:24] <plh> ... change proposal is to remove the image heuristic paragraph
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  416. # [18:24] <plh> Janina: I don't think we'll argue to put it back
  417. # [18:24] <plh> Paul: might want to raise that to the a11y TF
  418. # [18:25] <plh> Topic: New Calls for Proposals/Consensus this Week
  419. # [18:25] <plh> Paul: the chairs added 10 items on the change proposal status page
  420. # [18:25] <plh> ... ISSUE-9, ISSUE-27, ISSUE-79, ISSUE-99, ISSUE-101
  421. # [18:26] <plh> ... ISSUE-102, ISSUE-104
  422. # [18:26] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9188] New: Fix the references in the txt version to have URLs. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Mar/0025.html>
  423. # [18:26] <Julian> q+
  424. # [18:26] * Zakim sees Julian on the speaker queue
  425. # [18:26] <Laura> ISSUE 9 video-accessibility due April 5, 2010
  426. # [18:26] <plh> ack julian
  427. # [18:26] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  428. # [18:27] <plh> Julian: I submitted a change proposal for issue-101
  429. # [18:27] <Julian> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Mar/0084.html
  430. # [18:27] <pimpbot> Title: Change Proposal for ISSUE-101 (us-ascii-ref) from Julian Reschke on 2010-03-03 (public-html@w3.org from March 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  431. # [18:27] <plh> Topic: New Calls for Counter Proposals this Week
  432. # [18:28] <plh> Paul: I separated out ISSUE-56. we have a change proposal and the chairs issued a one month call for counter proposal
  433. # [18:28] <plh> ... it's due April 5 as well
  434. # [18:28] <plh> Topic: New Issues This Week
  435. # [18:28] <plh> Paul: no new issues
  436. # [18:28] <plh> Topic: Scribe for next meeting
  437. # [18:28] <plh> Sam: it will my turn to chair
  438. # [18:28] <plh> Paul: I'll scribe then
  439. # [18:29] <plh> Topic: Adjournment
  440. # [18:29] <paulc> Note that NA goes onto DST after next week's meeting.
  441. # [18:29] <plh> Paul: we're changing time in on April 18 and 25 in North America
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  443. # [18:30] <janina> Suggest putting a world clock uri in the agenda a la A11y TF
  444. # [18:30] <kliehm> thanks, appreciated
  445. # [18:30] <plh> ... please adjust your time slot in Europe and Asia
  446. # [18:30] <plh> s/April/March/
  447. # [18:31] <paulc> Thanks to plh for scribing.
  448. # [18:31] <plh> [adjourned]
  449. # [18:31] * plh rrsagent, generate minutes
  450. # [18:31] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/04-html-wg-minutes.html plh
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  452. # [18:31] <Laura> bye
  453. # [18:31] <Zakim> -bsulliva
  454. # [18:31] <Zakim> -Julian
  455. # [18:31] <Zakim> -Sam
  456. # [18:31] <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
  457. # [18:31] <cardona507> thanks everyone
  458. # [18:31] <janina> bye
  459. # [18:31] <Zakim> -RobEnnals
  460. # [18:31] <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
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  462. # [18:31] <Zakim> -Eliot_Graff
  463. # [18:31] * Parts: RobEnnals (RobEnnals@98.207.253.61)
  464. # [18:31] <Zakim> -Laura
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  466. # [18:31] <Zakim> -Janina
  467. # [18:31] <Zakim> -cardona507
  468. # [18:31] <Zakim> -adrianba
  469. # [18:31] <Zakim> -kliehm
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  472. # [18:31] <Zakim> -Plh
  473. # [18:32] <Zakim> -Mjs
  474. # [18:32] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  475. # [18:32] <Zakim> -Radhika_Roy
  476. # [18:32] <plh> zakim, list attendees
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  478. # [18:32] <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Radhika_Roy, [Microsoft], Sam, Plh, MikeSmith, Mjs, Michael_Cooper, RobEnnals, Julian, adrianba, Cynthia_Shelly, Laura, Eliot_Graff,
  479. # [18:32] * plh rrsagent, generate minutes
  480. # [18:32] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/04-html-wg-minutes.html plh
  481. # [18:32] <Zakim> ... kliehm, Janina, Janina.a, cardona507, bsulliva
  482. # [18:32] <pimpbot> Title: HTML Weekly Teleconference -- 04 Mar 2010 (at www.w3.org)
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  484. # [18:32] * plh zakim, who is on the phone?
  485. # [18:32] * Zakim sees on the phone: MikeSmith
  486. # [18:32] <plh> zakim, drop mike
  487. # [18:32] <Zakim> MikeSmith is being disconnected
  488. # [18:32] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  489. # [18:33] <Zakim> Attendees were Radhika_Roy, [Microsoft], Sam, Plh, MikeSmith, Mjs, Michael_Cooper, RobEnnals, Julian, adrianba, Cynthia_Shelly, Laura, Eliot_Graff, kliehm, Janina, Janina.a,
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  491. # [18:33] <plh> zakim, bye
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  502. # [19:26] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9189] New: CanvasGradient should use parameters at the time of drawing <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Mar/0026.html>
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