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  10. # [01:15] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9235] An additional useful transformation would be Perspective. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Mar/0928.html>
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  36. # [13:18] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7034] authoring conformance requirements in the spec should either be removed or replaced <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Mar/0929.html>
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  49. # [15:19] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9287] New: DOCTYPE "mostly useless" <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Mar/0930.html>
  50. # [15:19] <Dashiva> Oh boy
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  52. # [15:24] <anne> the things people argue about because they cannot comprehend what actually manners never ceases to amaze me
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  56. # [15:30] <Dashiva> anne: The less it matters, the stronger the passion. Isn't that how the saying goes?
  57. # [15:36] <anne> it certainly makes sense
  58. # [15:36] <anne> but mostly because these people are probably frustrated about something else they do not want to deal with
  59. # [15:43] <jgraham> You make it sound like most of these pointless discussions happen because the participants have dificulty getting a [girl|boy]friend
  60. # [15:47] <anne> ... or retaining one
  61. # [15:47] <anne> wait, I am not taking part
  62. # [15:51] <Dashiva> I think anne was referring to pet projects, not pet people ;)
  63. # [15:54] <anne> evidently
  64. # [16:10] <MikeSmith> the irony is, the existence of the "mostly useless" phrase in the spec is mostly useless
  65. # [16:10] <MikeSmith> or even entirely useless
  66. # [16:10] <anne> ooh crap
  67. # [16:11] <anne> :only-child still selects an element if it is surrounded by text nodes
  68. # [16:11] <anne> bah
  69. # [16:20] <anne> we should have :only-node
  70. # [16:20] <anne> or :only-node-that-matters so we can ignore pointless whitespace, processing instructions, and comments
  71. # [16:37] <Dashiva> Is there anything in that set apart from elements and non-whitespace text nodes?
  72. # [16:37] <anne> doctypes, doh
  73. # [16:39] <Dashiva> Doctype can't really be a child of anything except documentElement, can it?
  74. # [16:40] <anne> except document you mean
  75. # [16:40] <anne> you're not in form today
  76. # [16:40] <Dashiva> s/documentElement/document/
  77. # [16:40] * anne wonders if that expression works in English
  78. # [16:40] <Dashiva> It works, but it sounds a bit constructed
  79. # [16:41] <Philip> "on form" sounds better
  80. # [16:42] <Dashiva> But the point stands, only-child being affected by doctype seems rather unlikely
  81. # [16:42] <Philip> (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/on+form)
  82. # [16:42] <pimpbot> Title: On form | Define On form at Dictionary.com (at dictionary.reference.com)
  83. # [16:42] <mjs> I wish Shelley hadn't derailed my public-html thread
  84. # [16:42] <mjs> it had a chance of being useful
  85. # [16:43] <Philip> You could ignore her and continue attempting to discuss useful things
  86. # [16:47] <Dashiva> So I read a claim that distributed extensibility is not for browsers, just for authors. That seems like it might be disputed.
  87. # [16:48] <Philip> *Everything* about distributed extensibility can be disputed
  88. # [16:48] <Philip> and often is
  89. # [16:49] <Philip> because the fundamental issue of what it actually is is
  90. # [16:49] <Dashiva> Maybe we'll find out one day
  91. # [16:49] <Dashiva> And then we can spend the rest of the year figuring out what the use case is
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  93. # [16:58] <mjs> I think some people interpret Distributed Extensibility as meaning "I can use an arbitrary element or attribute with a colon in the name and not get a validator error"
  94. # [16:58] <Dashiva> But why?
  95. # [16:58] <mjs> and at the same time do not care if there is any special processing in such a case
  96. # [16:59] <Dashiva> It all seems to boil down to "I don't want to use <div>"
  97. # [16:59] <mjs> I think an issue that is specifically about that would be better named names-with-colons instead of distributed-extensibility
  98. # [16:59] <mjs> I am not one of those people so I don't think I can answer "why"
  99. # [17:03] <Dashiva> Browsers aren't supposed to use it, so no native functionality. Plugins don't use it, that's what <object> is for. It's not for page script, that's data-*. It's not for metadata, that's RDFa/microdata/etc.
  100. # [17:13] <mjs> I think one idea is that it could be for metadata or page-private info, even though there are other ways to do those
  101. # [17:15] <Dashiva> If that is the case, it should be stated clearly, because this is a huge cost in time and effort which does not seem reasonable just to duplicate already supported use cases
  102. # [17:19] <mjs> honestly - I'm just glad we have some concrete proposals to look at
  103. # [17:20] <mjs> though only one IMO has enough detail to actually review its impact
  104. # [17:21] <Dashiva> Proposal Y seemed reasonable, at least until the "but it's not for browsers" thing.
  105. # [17:26] <Philip> All these discussions about ISSUE-41 Proposal Y get a bit confusing
  106. # [17:26] <Philip> since I never know what they're actually talking about
  107. # [17:27] <Philip> It'd be nicer to use names that have some meaning
  108. # [17:28] <Philip> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Mar/0333.html is the kind of thing that confuses me
  109. # [17:28] <pimpbot> Title: Re: ISSUE-103 change proposal from Shelley Powers on 2010-03-13 (public-html@w3.org from March 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  110. # [17:28] <Philip> I haven't got a clue what it's about or what it's saying
  111. # [17:43] <pimpbot> planet: Prepping for IE9 <http://intertwingly.net/blog/2010/03/21/Prepping-for-IE9> ** Selecting element by data attribute <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2487747/selecting-element-by-data-attribute>
  112. # [17:50] <mjs> Philip: I guess it is a good idea to use the issue shortname as well as the number, and/or link to a reference
  113. # [17:50] <mjs> I try to always link when I mention an issue in email
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  117. # [19:20] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7670] Use of prefixes is too complicated for a Web technology <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Mar/0931.html>
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  121. # [19:54] <MikeSmith> bug 9263
  122. # [19:54] <pimpbot> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9263 xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no, P2, ASSIGNED, Incorrect language determination algorithm
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  165. # [22:45] <pimpbot> planet: Is there a way to create a custom HTML validation schema for Visual Studio? <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2380346/is-there-a-way-to-create-a-custom-html-validation-schema-for-visual-studio>
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  174. # [23:21] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9287] DOCTYPE "mostly useless" <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Mar/0932.html>
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