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  11. # [01:49] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9283] NEEDSINFO is a more appropriate resolution for bugs that are missing info than INVALID <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Mar/1018.html>
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  19. # [02:09] <pimpbot> changes: workers; hixie: Add more shared worker examples. (whatwg r4865) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Mar/0134.html>
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  21. # [02:19] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9217] Remove the Paragraph-Section-Heading loophole for not providing a text alternative. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Mar/1019.html>
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  34. # [05:06] <pimpbot> planet: How to use/modify Google Gears <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2505204/how-to-use-modify-google-gears>
  35. # [05:20] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 9318] The state for bugs with no reply should be CLOSED NoReply instead of VERIFIED NoReply" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Mar/1034.html> ** [Bug 9318] New: The state for bugs with no reply should be CLOSED NoReply instead of VERIFIED NoReply <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Mar/1032.html> ** [Bug 9317] bug states should distinguish the true stat
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  40. # [05:50] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9316] Make rejected bugs more visible <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Mar/1037.html> ** [Bug 8896] Clarify that anyone who is dissatisfied with a bug resolution may reopen or escalate <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Mar/1036.html> ** [Bug 8893] Clarify how Change Proposals get reviewed and what happens to Change Proposals that do not meet requirements <http://lists.w3
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  61. # [09:11] <pimpbot> changes: workers; hixie: Fix the recently added examples. (whatwg r4866) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Mar/0135.html>
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  66. # [09:41] <pimpbot> changes: workers; hixie: I am incompetent at this editing thing. (whatwg r4867) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Mar/0136.html>
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  74. # [10:41] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Make seeking async since some implementations can't tell if something is seekable synchronously. Also, make it not throw ever, and make it sanely re-entrant. (whatwg r4868) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Mar/0137.html>
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  79. # [11:37] <pimpbot> planet: Browser gets blocked, workers to the rescue? <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2514376/browser-gets-blocked-workers-to-the-rescue>
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  86. # [13:38] <pimpbot> planet: Is it possible to get download progress of video/image in HTML5 ? <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2515142/is-it-possible-to-get-download-progress-of-video-image-in-html5>
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  102. # [16:22] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9207] Anything else: This part of the spec is problematic, for example, a query string variable &lang_id=1 in as part of an attribute of say an img tag, will get converted into an character token when it shouldn't be. Why is the set of characters a-z, A-Z, 0- <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Mar/1038.html>
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  109. # [17:01] <rubys1> trackbot, start meeting
  110. # [17:01] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference
  111. # [17:01] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  112. # [17:01] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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  114. # [17:01] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be HTML
  115. # [17:01] <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
  116. # [17:01] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  117. # [17:01] <trackbot> Date: 25 March 2010
  118. # [17:02] <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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  122. # [17:03] <MikeSmith> Zakim, code?
  123. # [17:03] <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), MikeSmith
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  130. # [17:05] <MikeSmith> Zakim, +Jeff has MikeSmith and plh
  131. # [17:05] <Zakim> sorry, MikeSmith, I do not recognize a party named '+Jeff'
  132. # [17:05] <MikeSmith> Zakim, Jeff has MikeSmith and plh
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  135. # [17:05] <dsinger> zakim, +1.408.398.aaaa is dsinger
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  140. # [17:06] <MikeSmith> Zakim. Jeff is MIT
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  142. # [17:06] <MikeSmith> Zakim, Jeff is MIT
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  151. # [17:07] <MikeSmith> Zakim, mute MIT
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  153. # [17:07] <Zakim> MIT should now be muted
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  155. # [17:07] <rubys1> topic: 1. Issues Pending Review
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  158. # [17:08] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  159. # [17:08] <plh> Sam: We have agreement to closed this based on the change being applied.
  160. # [17:08] <rubys> topic: 2. ACTION items due by Thu Mar 11
  161. # [17:08] <plh> s/Mar 11/Mar 25/
  162. # [17:08] * dsinger zakim, who is here?
  163. # [17:08] * Zakim sees on the phone: Cynthia_Shelly, Sam, RobEnnals, Radhika_Roy, MIT (muted), Michael_Cooper, dsinger (muted), Laura, adrianba, Radhika_Roy.a, [Microsoft]
  164. # [17:08] * Zakim sees on irc: Eliot_Graff, krisk, paulc, plh, MichaelC, Laura, Zakim, RobEnnals, dsinger, adrianba, rubys, tinkster, drry, MikeSmith, cgi-irc, miketaylr, aroben, Lachy, anne, jmb,
  165. # [17:08] * Zakim ... ROBOd, krijnh, dydz, arronei, scotfl, gsnedders, hober, Philip, gavin_, nunnun, ed_work, johndrinkwater, karl, CIA-1, Shunsuke, RRSAgent, syp, inimino, Hixie, gavin, phenny,
  166. # [17:08] <plh> Sam: Deferred to task force discussions.
  167. # [17:08] * Zakim ... Dashiva, webben, thugbot, pimpbot, Yudai, jgraham, hsivonen, trackbot
  168. # [17:08] <rubys> topic: 3. WG Decision Policy
  169. # [17:09] <Zakim> + +1.206.850.aadd
  170. # [17:09] <plh> Sam: Maciej has a meeting conflict. He has posted a new draft
  171. # [17:09] <plh> ... will be discussed later today
  172. # [17:09] <Eliot_Graff> Zakim, aadd is me
  173. # [17:09] <Zakim> +Eliot_Graff; got it
  174. # [17:09] <rubys> topic: 4. Call For Consensus that close by Mar 25
  175. # [17:09] <plh> Sam: none
  176. # [17:09] <rubys> topic: 5. Call for Proposals that close by Thu Mar 25
  177. # [17:10] <plh> Sam: Issue 31, 80, 32 defer to HTML a11y discussion
  178. # [17:10] <plh> Sam: Issue 41, we have 5 proposals
  179. # [17:10] <plh> Julian: my preferred one is the last one
  180. # [17:10] <plh> s/Julian/Rob/
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  182. # [17:11] <janina> zakim, call janina
  183. # [17:11] <Zakim> ok, janina; the call is being made
  184. # [17:11] <Zakim> +Janina
  185. # [17:11] <plh> Sam: Issue-88, no counter proposal received. some twists are being discussed on the mailing list. any discussion on it?
  186. # [17:12] <rubys> topic: Items that close next week
  187. # [17:12] <plh> Sam: none
  188. # [17:12] <rubys> topic: New Calls for Proposals/Consensus this Week
  189. # [17:12] <plh> Sam: Issue-78 is up there now.
  190. # [17:12] <plh> ... discussion?
  191. # [17:12] <rubys> topic: Items that are due next week
  192. # [17:13] <plh> Sam: several items due next week
  193. # [17:13] <rubys> a) ISSUE-4 html-versioning b) ISSUE-84 legacy-doctypes c) ISSUE-81 representation-vs-resource d) ISSUE-89 idioms e) ISSUE-90 figure f) ISSUE-91 aside g) ISSUE-92 cleanuptable h) ISSUE-93 details i) ISSUE-94 webcoresplit j) ISSUE-95 hidden k) ISSUE-96 progress l) ISSUE-97 meter m) ISSUE-100 srcdoc
  194. # [17:13] <rubys> topic: 10. New Issues This Week
  195. # [17:14] <plh> Sam: issue-104 is new
  196. # [17:14] <rubys> topic: 11. Updates from AC and Tag meeting
  197. # [17:14] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  198. # [17:14] <MikeSmith> Zakim, unmute MIT
  199. # [17:14] <Zakim> MIT should no longer be muted
  200. # [17:14] <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
  201. # [17:14] <Zakim> +paulc; got it
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  204. # [17:15] <plh> Sam: W3C had a survey, results were in the no category (79%). so based on that, all use cases, except for forking, will be addressed. didn
  205. # [17:15] <plh> ... t see much comments so far
  206. # [17:15] <plh> plh: we're going on a draft for the license, as fast as we can
  207. # [17:15] <paulc> apologies for being late.
  208. # [17:16] <Zakim> -dsinger
  209. # [17:16] <plh> Sam: TAG meeting. TAG requested a document to specify how one createa polyglot document (documents that can served as text/html or application/xhtml+xml and work well)
  210. # [17:16] <plh> ... I do that on my website
  211. # [17:16] <Zakim> +dsinger
  212. # [17:17] <plh> Rob: I do that as well
  213. # [17:17] <dsinger> zakim, mute dsinger
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  215. # [17:17] <plh> Paul: should we look for a volunteer?
  216. # [17:17] <plh> Sam: I'd love to contribute
  217. # [17:17] <Zakim> -dsinger
  218. # [17:17] <Zakim> +dsinger
  219. # [17:17] * dsinger zakim, mute dsinger
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  221. # [17:18] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.aa]
  222. # [17:18] <plh> Sam: I'll work with the co-chairs on the response to the TAG request
  223. # [17:18] <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
  224. # [17:19] * plh is confused as well
  225. # [17:19] <plh> ACTION: Sam to respond to the TAG request on polyglot documents
  226. # [17:19] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  227. # [17:19] * RRSAgent records action 1
  228. # [17:19] <trackbot> Created ACTION-176 - Respond to the TAG request on polyglot documents [on Sam Ruby - due 2010-04-01].
  229. # [17:20] <plh> ... the TAG review may produce comments on ISSUE 41 and discussion around them
  230. # [17:20] <plh> Paul: at first, a minority of TAG members suggested we just deal with the proposals and let the TAG see the results. I suggest instead that the TAG should look at the proposals and tell us if any of them meet their principles.
  231. # [17:21] * rubys smiling
  232. # [17:21] <plh> ... so that the TAG describe what success might mean on ISSUE 41
  233. # [17:21] <rubys> topic: Task Force Status Reports - Testing
  234. # [17:21] <plh> Topic: 12. Task Force Status Reports
  235. # [17:22] <plh> Kris: met again this week. spent time on test submission, feedback, and approval.
  236. # [17:22] <krisk> Meetings notes http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2010Mar/0016.html
  237. # [17:22] <pimpbot> Title: [miniutes] HTML Testing Task Force Conf Call Agenda 3/23/2010 from Kris Krueger on 2010-03-25 (public-html-testsuite@w3.org from March 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  238. # [17:22] <plh> Kris: I'd like to come back to the Working Group next time to make sure we're going in the right direction
  239. # [17:22] <paulc> Back on TAG item - the document we referenced in Nov 2009 is at http://www.la-grange.net/2009/07/05/html5-xhtml5/
  240. # [17:22] <pimpbot> Title: HTML 5 and XHTML 5 - one vocabulary, two serializations (at www.la-grange.net)
  241. # [17:23] <plh> ... so if you have opinions or feedback, please look at our wiki
  242. # [17:23] <plh> ... e review a couple of tests and will move them into the approved folder
  243. # [17:23] <plh> ... so first tests approved for HTML5!
  244. # [17:23] <paulc> TAG joint meeting minutes: http://www.w3.org/2009/11/05-html-wg-minutes.html#item02
  245. # [17:23] <pimpbot> Title: HTML WG face-to-face in Santa Clara -- 05 Nov 2009 (at www.w3.org)
  246. # [17:23] <plh> ... other than that, list is picking up slightly this month...
  247. # [17:24] <plh> Sam: the document pointed by Paul describes how to generate HTML/XHTML from a DOM tree, while we're interested in producing a DOM from HTML/XHTML
  248. # [17:25] <plh> Janina: no meeting this for the a11y task force. a large majority of participants disappeared in the CSUN conference.
  249. # [17:25] <plh> ... we've been taking up ARIA maaping for HTML
  250. # [17:26] <plh> ... there is a long way to go for it still. looked at 1/8 or 1/4 of it
  251. # [17:26] <plh> s/maaping/mapping/
  252. # [17:26] <plh> ... not before June or July for ARIA mappings
  253. # [17:26] <plh> ... mapping to accessibility APIs
  254. # [17:26] <plh> ... that's a big job
  255. # [17:27] <plh> Cynthia: aren't we going to have separate meetings soon?
  256. # [17:27] <plh> Janina: for ARIA mappings yes
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  258. # [17:28] <paulc> which issues do these items map to?
  259. # [17:28] <plh> Cynthia: I think that ARIA mappings and accessibility APIs mapping should be discussed at the same time. there are the same thing.
  260. # [17:28] <paulc> q+
  261. # [17:28] * Zakim sees paulc on the speaker queue
  262. # [17:28] <plh> Janina: then I'm confused...
  263. # [17:28] <MichaelC> q+
  264. # [17:28] * Zakim sees paulc, MichaelC on the speaker queue
  265. # [17:28] <MichaelC> q-
  266. # [17:28] * Zakim sees paulc on the speaker queue
  267. # [17:28] <plh> Cynthia: they'll probably two separate documents but developed in parallel
  268. # [17:28] * rubys notes queue, will process shortly
  269. # [17:28] * MichaelC what CS said is my understanding, 2 documents but worked on together for a while
  270. # [17:28] <paulc> ok
  271. # [17:29] <plh> Janina: is summer 2010 the right timeline?
  272. # [17:29] <plh> Cynthia: yes
  273. # [17:29] <Zakim> +cardona507
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  277. # [17:29] * MichaelC "CSUN" is the conference JS mentioned
  278. # [17:29] <plh> Cynthia: so, we're going to start working on a11y APIs mapping after CSUN
  279. # [17:30] <rubys> ack next
  280. # [17:30] * Zakim sees paulc at the head of the speaker queue
  281. # [17:30] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  282. # [17:30] <plh> Paul: which tracker issues are we talking about?
  283. # [17:30] <plh> Sam: ACTION-138 ?
  284. # [17:31] <plh> Mike: that might be the only issue/action that can map to the work at the moment. might need to reframe it
  285. # [17:31] <rubys> action-138?
  286. # [17:31] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-138
  287. # [17:31] <trackbot> ACTION-138 -- Steve Faulkner to produce an ARIA matrix based on Henri's work -- due 2010-03-25 -- OPEN
  288. # [17:31] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/138
  289. # [17:31] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-138 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  290. # [17:31] <plh> Cynthia: "HTML elements mapping to ARIA and A11y APIs" would be a better title for ACTION-138
  291. # [17:32] <plh> Paul: we need an issue for it, otherwise it won't block us from moving to LC
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  293. # [17:32] <plh> Mike: at this point, it's not contentious, but we're waiting on a proposal
  294. # [17:32] <plh> Cynthia: there is a bug on the anchor
  295. # [17:32] <plh> Mike: maybe we should raise bugs at the element level indeed
  296. # [17:33] <plh> Cynthia: can we make an issue for it?
  297. # [17:33] <plh> Paul: the WG will need to have consensus on getting to LC.
  298. # [17:34] <plh> ... sometimes, LC aren't feature complete indeed. so it would be best if we were feature complete and stable but that's a decision for the WG.
  299. # [17:34] <plh> Cynthia: I see that as a feature rather than a bug
  300. # [17:35] <plh> .. it hasn't yet been done
  301. # [17:35] <plh> Paul: but we don't know if the group thinks the feature is mandatory or not
  302. # [17:35] <Laura> ARIA issues
  303. # [17:35] <Laura> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/14
  304. # [17:35] <Laura> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/35
  305. # [17:35] <Laura> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/51
  306. # [17:35] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-14 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  307. # [17:35] <Laura> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/85
  308. # [17:35] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-35 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  309. # [17:35] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-51 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  310. # [17:35] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-85 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  311. # [17:35] <plh> Sam: we should have a bug for it, with a NEEDSMOREINFO status
  312. # [17:35] <Zakim> -adrianba
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  315. # [17:36] <plh> ACTION: Cynthia to open a bug about HTML elements mapping to ARIA and A11y APIs
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  319. # [17:36] <trackbot> Created ACTION-177 - Open a bug about HTML elements mapping to ARIA and A11y APIs [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2010-04-01].
  320. # [17:36] <Laura> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Process_to_submit_HTML_spec_bugs
  321. # [17:36] <pimpbot> Title: Process to submit HTML spec bugs - HTML accessibility task force Wiki (at www.w3.org)
  322. # [17:37] <rubys> http://www.w3.org/2010/03/11-html-wg-minutes.html
  323. # [17:37] <pimpbot> Title: HTML Weekly Teleconference -- 11 Mar 2010 (at www.w3.org)
  324. # [17:37] <plh> Sam: [going through the dates for the issues]
  325. # [17:38] <Laura> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/Minutes
  326. # [17:38] <pimpbot> Title: Minutes - HTML WG Wiki (at www.w3.org)
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  331. # [17:39] <plh> ... [discussing ISSUE 9 timeline]
  332. # [17:39] <Zakim> +[Apple]
  333. # [17:39] <plh> Janina: we need to talk about this at the f2f. no sooner than sometimes in May.
  334. # [17:39] <Zakim> -dsinger
  335. # [17:40] <plh> janina: the f2f is in April. it would be completed sooner than May
  336. # [17:40] <rubys> s/sooner/no sooner/
  337. # [17:40] <dsinger> zakim, [apple] has dsinger
  338. # [17:40] <Zakim> +dsinger; got it
  339. # [17:40] <plh> s/would/would not/
  340. # [17:40] <MikeSmith> q+ to say that I think I can post an a11y TF CfC to the a11y list today, for the MediaTrack API
  341. # [17:40] * Zakim sees MikeSmith on the speaker queue
  342. # [17:41] <rubys> ack next
  343. # [17:41] * Zakim sees MikeSmith at the head of the speaker queue
  344. # [17:41] <Zakim> MikeSmith, you wanted to say that I think I can post an a11y TF CfC to the a11y list today, for the MediaTrack API
  345. # [17:41] <MikeSmith> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Mar/0426.html
  346. # [17:41] <pimpbot> Title: Moving forward with MultiTrack API [was: Agenda: HTML-A11Y 18 March HEADS UP! at 15:00Z] from Michael(tm) Smith on 2010-03-19 (public-html-a11y@w3.org from March 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  347. # [17:41] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  348. # [17:41] <plh> Mike: I posted a preliminary message, asking for Dick to reply about the API, because he has a point of disagreement. didn't get a reply from him yet
  349. # [17:42] <plh> ... so I'm going to call for consensus on the API
  350. # [17:42] <plh> ... it's part of ISSUE 9
  351. # [17:42] <plh> ... text association piece still needs to be done
  352. # [17:42] <plh> ... but we can move the API discussion into the Working Group by next week
  353. # [17:42] <plh> Sam: so text association wouldn't be sooner than May?
  354. # [17:42] <plh> Mike: yes, unless there is new information, we're going to move forward with the API
  355. # [17:43] <dsinger> q+
  356. # [17:43] * Zakim sees dsinger on the speaker queue
  357. # [17:43] <rubys> ack next
  358. # [17:43] * Zakim sees dsinger at the head of the speaker queue
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  360. # [17:43] <plh> Dave: CSS media queries for video and audio selections. I posted an idea.
  361. # [17:43] <plh> ... Rich might have an idea as well
  362. # [17:43] <rubys> issue-9?
  363. # [17:43] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-9
  364. # [17:43] <trackbot> ISSUE-9 -- how accessibility works for <video> is unclear -- RAISED
  365. # [17:43] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/9
  366. # [17:43] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-9 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  367. # [17:43] <plh> plh: is it part of ISSUE 9?
  368. # [17:44] <plh> Dave: yes
  369. # [17:44] <plh> ... this is about the media query feature on the source element to select the proper element
  370. # [17:44] <plh> ... based on a11y needs
  371. # [17:44] <plh> ... we need the details worked out
  372. # [17:45] <plh> ... but we'll be ready by May
  373. # [17:45] <plh> ... we might not need to change the HTML spec as such. probably a change in media queries
  374. # [17:45] <plh> Sam: ISSUE-30: long desc. target is April 22
  375. # [17:45] <plh> Janina: still good
  376. # [17:46] <plh> Sam: ISSUE-31, missing alt. target is April 22.
  377. # [17:46] <plh> Janina: the point of 22 is if we make good progress at the f2f, we'll make it. if we don't, we'll need to update the deadline.
  378. # [17:46] <plh> Paul: so, what's the deadline for doing the work?
  379. # [17:47] <plh> Janina: I'd like to look at it at the f2f
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  381. # [17:47] <plh> ... we'll have a better idea after the f2f on how long it will take
  382. # [17:47] <plh> Sam: ISSUE-32. No earlier than April 29.
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  384. # [17:47] <plh> Janina: yes
  385. # [17:48] <plh> Sam: ISSUE-66?
  386. # [17:48] <plh> Janina: new proposals have been put forward, it's now a live issue again?
  387. # [17:48] <plh> Sam: yes
  388. # [17:49] <plh> Janina: we'll need to look at the new proposals and comment on them
  389. # [17:49] <mjs> (hi everyone; I'm busy with greeting arrivals to the TC-39 meeting but if my input is needed on anything I can comment on IRC, just ping me)
  390. # [17:49] <Zakim> -RobEnnals
  391. # [17:49] <plh> Sam: ISSUE-74. deadline for remaining parts?
  392. # [17:49] <RobEnnals> I need to drop off now...
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  394. # [17:49] <plh> Janina: the 1/3 to 1/2 part can be moved into the HTML WG now.
  395. # [17:50] <plh> ... for the remainer, it will take an other week to two.
  396. # [17:50] <plh> ... safest is April 15
  397. # [17:50] <plh> ... it's not controversial but essential
  398. # [17:51] <plh> ... whether it's 1/3 or 1/2, depends on the proposal. the proposal wasn't complete yet, but might not be esssential.
  399. # [17:51] <plh> ... I don't know if Charles worked on it
  400. # [17:51] * plh Charles is at MIT
  401. # [17:52] <plh> Sam: ISSUE-80, April 22
  402. # [17:52] * plh confirms. Charles is at MIT :)
  403. # [17:52] <plh> Janina: yes, the deadline is still correct
  404. # [17:53] <janina> Charles is at CSUN in San Diego
  405. # [17:53] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9322] New: dsdfs fe efefaafd asd <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Mar/1039.html>
  406. # [17:53] <plh> Sam: ISSUE-85.
  407. # [17:54] <plh> ... new date?
  408. # [17:54] <plh> Cynthia: no particular action taken at this point. it's part of the bigger work item.
  409. # [17:55] <plh> Sam: should we close ISSUE-85 then?
  410. # [17:55] <plh> ... last I heard was an update on March 25
  411. # [17:56] <plh> Cynthia: we did talk about it. it sounds like I need to look at Steve's proposal.
  412. # [17:56] <plh> ... we'll give a report in one week
  413. # [17:56] <Laura> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/ARIAonanchor
  414. # [17:56] <pimpbot> Title: ChangeProposals/ARIAonanchor - HTML WG Wiki (at www.w3.org)
  415. # [17:56] <plh> Janina: I'll add it to the a11y tf agenda
  416. # [17:57] <plh> Topic: Next meeting
  417. # [17:57] <plh> Sam: keep in mind the time change
  418. # [17:57] <plh> ... Paul will chair next week
  419. # [17:57] <plh> q?
  420. # [17:57] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  421. # [17:58] <plh> [adjourned]
  422. # [17:58] * plh rrsagent, generate minutes
  423. # [17:58] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/25-html-wg-minutes.html plh
  424. # [17:58] <cardona507> thanks
  425. # [17:58] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  426. # [17:58] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.aa]
  427. # [17:58] <Zakim> -Radhika_Roy.a
  428. # [17:58] <MikeSmith> Zakim, drop MIT
  429. # [17:58] <Zakim> MIT is being disconnected
  430. # [17:58] <Zakim> -Sam
  431. # [17:58] <Zakim> -MIT
  432. # [17:58] <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
  433. # [17:58] <Zakim> -Janina
  434. # [17:58] <Zakim> -cardona507
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  436. # [17:58] <Zakim> -Radhika_Roy
  437. # [17:58] <Zakim> -Eliot_Graff
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  439. # [17:58] <Zakim> -Laura
  440. # [17:58] <Zakim> -[Apple]
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  443. # [18:00] * plh zakim, who is on the phone?
  444. # [18:00] * Zakim sees on the phone: [Microsoft.a]
  445. # [18:00] <plh> zakim, drop Microsoft
  446. # [18:00] <Zakim> sorry, plh, I do not see a party named 'Microsoft'
  447. # [18:00] <plh> zakim, drop Microsoft.a
  448. # [18:00] <Zakim> [Microsoft.a] is being disconnected
  449. # [18:00] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  450. # [18:00] <Zakim> Attendees were Cynthia_Shelly, Sam, RobEnnals, Radhika_Roy, Michael_Cooper, dsinger, +1.218.340.aabb, MIT, +1.206.922.aacc, adrianba, Laura, +1.206.850.aadd, Eliot_Graff, Janina,
  451. # [18:00] <Zakim> ... paulc, [Microsoft], cardona507
  452. # [18:00] * plh rrsagent, generate minutes
  453. # [18:00] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/25-html-wg-minutes.html plh
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