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  10. # [01:14] <pimpbot> changes: postmsg; hixie: Move the 'ports' argument to the end of postMessage() instead of in the middle. (whatwg r4870) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Mar/0139.html>
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  14. # [01:54] <Sirisian> I was looking through the canvas tag in HTML 5. It doesn't standardize if it should use linear or nearest neighbor filtering in the drawImage algorithm. That seems like a problem. For instance, chrome and FF render differently :P I'm going to submit a bug if I remember how, but am I missing something?
  15. # [02:00] <Sirisian> Hixie, Have you seen any bugs posted like that? I was looking over the bug list but I don't see anything along that and I've been looking through the standard. Do you guys not scrutinize the implementation that much?
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  19. # [02:12] <shepazu> Sirisian, did you ever get your question about DM3 Events backwards-compatibility answered?
  20. # [02:12] <shepazu> s/DM3/DOM3/
  21. # [02:13] <Sirisian> We had a good discussion about it and I figured out what I originally thought wasn't a problem with IE, but a problem with the standard. Interesting discussion
  22. # [02:13] <Sirisian> was*
  23. # [02:14] <Sirisian> was a problem with IE, but it was actually a problem with the standard*
  24. # [02:14] <Sirisian> shepazu, you have good memory
  25. # [02:16] <shepazu> Sirisian: just want to make sure we get DOM3 Events right :)
  26. # [02:16] <Sirisian> Also the bug list thing is annoying. I'd prefer a forum >_> so I gave up tracking my bugs. I forgot how to find them
  27. # [02:19] <shepazu> Sirisian: yeah, we have some limitations there... I know a lot of people would prefer a forum
  28. # [02:21] <MikeSmith> Sirisian: when you say you'd like a forum instead, what features in particular do you mean?
  29. # [02:22] <Sirisian> quoting and reading and viewing and such. I find the whole http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8406 formatting annoying.
  30. # [02:22] <pimpbot> 8406: warcraftthreeft@sbcglobal.net, P2, NEW, Stricter Specifications on Mouse Events Specifically primary, auxillary, and secondary default actions
  31. # [02:22] <Sirisian> nice bot
  32. # [02:23] <MikeSmith> (yeah, but speaking of annoying, pimpbot can also be pretty annoying at times)
  33. # [02:25] <MikeSmith> Sirisian: I think some members of the w3c systems team are exploring some ideas around that
  34. # [02:30] <Sirisian> shepazu, my dom idea was just to standardize default action on all mouse actions and to deprecate the button event for mousebutton which uses a bitflag system with first bit being left, second left, third for auxilliary button. I think that summed it up. Basically I wanted the standard to say what opera and others do to block right and middle mouse actions being detected is against the standard. >:|
  35. # [02:30] <Sirisian> second right*
  36. # [02:30] * Sirisian needs to stop watching TV while typing on IRC
  37. # [02:31] <Sirisian> MikeSmith, also featurewise. Hide people's e-mail address and use usernames. I hate sites that use people's e-mail address. It's just begging for spam.
  38. # [02:31] <shepazu> Sirisian: Yeah, we already do that with the .buttons property on mouse events... I added that a few months ago
  39. # [02:32] <Sirisian> shepazu, oh cool win
  40. # [02:32] <Sirisian> shepazu, wait are you an editor?
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  43. # [02:32] <shepazu> Sirisian: yeah, I'm the editor of DOM3 Events
  44. # [02:32] <Sirisian> oh cool
  45. # [02:34] <shepazu> Sirisian: http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html#events-Events-MouseEvent-buttons
  46. # [02:34] <pimpbot> Title: Document Object Model (DOM) Level 3 Events Specification (at dev.w3.org)
  47. # [02:35] <Sirisian> shepazu, you rule
  48. # [02:35] <MikeSmith> Sirisian: you typing with one hand?
  49. # [02:35] <Sirisian> MikeSmith, nah 30 rock is on. It's new
  50. # [02:35] <Sirisian> just started 2 minutes ago
  51. # [02:35] <MikeSmith> ah, Tiny Fey
  52. # [02:35] <MikeSmith> yeah, understood
  53. # [02:41] <pimpbot> planet: How to use HTML-5 data-* attributes in ASP.NET MVC <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2520487/how-to-use-html-5-data-attributes-in-asp-net-mvc>
  54. # [02:45] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: example correctness (whatwg r4871) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Mar/0140.html>
  55. # [02:48] <Sirisian> shepazu, you must be pretty happy with IE9 then.
  56. # [02:48] <Sirisian> Given the recent test they released
  57. # [02:49] <shepazu> Sirisian: yup, and their SVG and XHTML support in IE9
  58. # [02:51] <Sirisian> shepazu, so have you thought about defining the default action for right and middle mouse buttons?
  59. # [02:52] <shepazu> Sirisian: http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html#event-type-click
  60. # [02:52] <pimpbot> Title: Document Object Model (DOM) Level 3 Events Specification (at dev.w3.org)
  61. # [02:53] <Sirisian> I mean for mousedown and mouseup. Like preventDefault could stop the event from going to the browser.
  62. # [02:55] <shepazu> Sirisian: you're right, those fit more for mousedown than for click
  63. # [02:55] <shepazu> at least the context menu
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  65. # [02:55] <Sirisian> So mousedown if you just call prevent default it would stop context menu and the stupid middle click thing on some browsers >:|
  66. # [02:56] <shepazu> if you send a reminder to www-dom@w3.org, I will change that
  67. # [02:57] <shepazu> later
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  69. # [02:59] <Sirisian> hmm that sounds interesting
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  71. # [03:00] <Sirisian> did he mean send an email or is that a mailing list.
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  83. # [05:57] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9329] New: drawImage filtering when dx and dy aren't integers needs defined <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Mar/1046.html>
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  85. # [06:23] <Sirisian> hey that's mine. Cool
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  87. # [06:57] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9330] New: very gud <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Mar/1047.html>
  88. # [07:01] <mjs> that's a hell of a bug
  89. # [07:11] <Sirisian> mine was better :\
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  91. # [08:16] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: minor optimisation that will hopefully make things slightly more comprehensible (whatwg r4872) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Mar/0141.html>
  92. # [08:28] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9331] New: "Columns can correspond to col elements, but in the absence of col elements are implied." appears to be missing a comma after "... but in the absence of col...". <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Mar/1048.html>
  93. # [08:58] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9332] New: It's not clear that the (implied) HTML 4.01 use of tfoot is prohibited (which seems to demand content identical to thead). Or should duplicate thead content be allowed in tfoot? Section should also have a tfoot example with meaningful content (a failing o <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Mar/1049.html>
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  99. # [09:29] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9333] New: [ms] "The image argument is an instance of either HTMLImageElement, HTMLCanvasElement, or HTMLVideoElement. If the image is of the wrong type or null" WebIDL already ensures that it isn't of the wrong type, just check for null. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Mar/1050.html>
  100. # [09:59] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9334] New: Markup error in decision-policy-v2.html <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Mar/1051.html>
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  110. # [11:53] * Set by shepazu on Thu Feb 18 18:30:47
  111. # [12:14] <CIA-1> v.nu-syntax: sideshowbarker * r540 /trunk/relaxng/embed.rnc:
  112. # [12:14] <CIA-1> v.nu-syntax: add "allow-top-navigation" to list of values that schema allows for iframe/@sandbox (b=726)
  113. # [12:14] <CIA-1> v.nu-syntax: http://bugzilla.validator.nu/show_bug.cgi?id=726
  114. # [12:14] <pimpbot> Title: Bug 726 add "allow-top-navigation" iframe/sandbox enumerated values (at bugzilla.validator.nu)
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  116. # [12:47] <pimpbot> changes: mike: "allow-top-navigation" added to list of iframe/@sandbox values <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Mar/0142.html>
  117. # [12:49] <anne> whoa, there's no easier way to do enumerated attributes?
  118. # [12:50] <anne> also, does that do case-insensitive matching?
  119. # [12:52] <MikeSmith> anne: the easier way would be to check it with some custom Java code instead
  120. # [12:56] <MikeSmith> and yeah, it does case-insensitive matching
  121. # [12:59] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9335] New: values need to be case-insensitive in xhtml too for the ua style sheet to work (e.g. <input type="HIDDEN"/>) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Mar/1052.html>
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  140. # [15:18] <pimpbot> changes: mike: made it clear that values of iframe/@sandbox are matched case-insensitively <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Mar/0143.html>
  141. # [15:30] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9337] Frameset/Frame Specification Amendment <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Mar/1055.html> ** [Bug 9337] New: Frameset/Frame Specification Amendment <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Mar/1054.html>
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  153. # [16:44] <pimpbot> planet: Javascript Upload to self <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2524127/javascript-upload-to-self>
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  156. # [16:58] <Julian> reminder
  157. # [16:58] <Julian> IRI WG meeting starting in 5 minutes
  158. # [16:58] <Julian> audio: http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf778.m3u
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  200. # [21:45] <pimpbot> planet: How to create column width in CSS that expands with large images yet stays a default size for normally sized content? <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2526198/how-to-create-column-width-in-css-that-expands-with-large-images-yet-stays-a-defa>
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  206. # [22:46] <pimpbot> planet: IETF: HyBi and IRI <http://annevankesteren.nl/2010/03/ietf> ** DOM Level 3 Events support in IE9 <http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2010/03/26/dom-level-3-events-support-in-ie9.aspx>
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  210. # [23:54] * Quits: Lachy (Lachlan@124.171.250.216) (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
  211. # Session Close: Sat Mar 27 00:00:00 2010

The end :)