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  6. # [00:26] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Try to be more consistent about the use of the word 'error'. (whatwg r4999) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Apr/0178.html>
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  15. # [01:56] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: fix an infinite loop (or crash, i guess) at the end of a list of tokens in this algorithm (whatwg r5006) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Apr/0186.html> ** hixie: Make the example make more sense. (whatwg r5005) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Apr/0185.html> ** hixie: quite the typo (whatwg r5004) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Apr/0184.html>
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  20. # [02:26] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: define <hr> vertical margins (whatwg r5008) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Apr/0188.html> ** hixie: sync with BCP47 terminology (whatwg r5007) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Apr/0187.html>
  21. # [02:56] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Try to match implementations more closely for <select multiple size=2> (whatwg r5010) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Apr/0190.html> ** hixie: define 'display size' for <select> so that we don't have to keep parsing size='' each time we need it. (whatwg r5009) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Apr/0189.html>
  22. # [03:26] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: typo (whatwg r5011) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Apr/0191.html>
  23. # [03:52] <pimpbot> planet: html5: Input Field Using @fontface, non-system fonts. Is this possible. <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2626333/html5-input-field-using-fontface-non-system-fonts-is-this-possible>
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  25. # [03:56] <pimpbot> changes: SSE; hixie: Update change controllers. (whatwg r5014) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Apr/0196.html> ** microdata; hixie: Update change controllers. (whatwg r5014) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Apr/0195.html> ** hixie: Update change controllers. (whatwg r5014) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Apr/0194.html> ** hixie: Remove obsolete intro line. (
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  36. # [07:27] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Mention the HTTP use of the term 'resource' doesn't match HTML's. (whatwg r5015) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Apr/0197.html>
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  41. # [08:27] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Update <time> examples to match latest spec text. (whatwg r5020) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Apr/0202.html> ** hixie: Add a suggestion that focused controls be outlined. (whatwg r5019) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Apr/0201.html> ** device; hixie: forgot to remove the NoInterfaceObject (whatwg r5018) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Apr/020
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  43. # [09:01] * mjs wonders if ISSUE-108 was an accident?
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  46. # [09:39] <MikeSmithX> bug 9647
  47. # [09:39] <pimpbot> Bug http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9647 was not found.
  48. # [09:39] <MikeSmithX> bug 9467
  49. # [09:39] <pimpbot> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9467 contributor@whatwg.org, P3, RESOLVED NEEDSINFO, in example: not 'kanji' but 'on'/'kun' reading?
  50. # [09:54] <pimpbot> planet: HTML5 iPhone Safari Mobile visualize something rather than quicktime symbol when creating an audio tag <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2517399/html5-iphone-safari-mobile-visualize-something-rather-than-quicktime-symbol-when>
  51. # [09:58] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: change 'kanji reading' to 'phonetic reading' based on advice from MikeSmith. (whatwg r5021) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Apr/0203.html>
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  55. # [10:28] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Make <select><option selected><option selected> non-conforming due to too many 'selected's. (whatwg r5023) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Apr/0204.html>
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  59. # [10:58] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: fine tune <section> and <article> descriptions some more. (whatwg r5031) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Apr/0212.html> ** hixie: autocomplete isn't boolean, it's enumerated. oops. (whatwg r5030) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Apr/0211.html> ** hixie: xref Range members (whatwg r5029) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Apr/0210.html> ** hixie
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  62. # [11:28] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Center <hr> by default. (whatwg r5033) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Apr/0215.html> ** hixie: Try to make <button> not scoping, for compat. (whatwg r5032) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Apr/0214.html> ** steve: updated alt technique methods with advantages and disadvantages for most methods. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Apr/0213.html>
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  64. # [11:58] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Try to explain what 'text' means in the attribute table. (whatwg r5035) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Apr/0217.html> ** hixie: Add window.stop() (whatwg r5034) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Apr/0216.html>
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  66. # [12:28] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: mention hr doesn't affect the outline (whatwg r5036) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Apr/0218.html>
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  70. # [12:33] <Stevef> MikeSmithXX: hey mike, noticed that changes to alt techniques do not show up in html-wg irc?
  71. # [12:34] <Stevef> MikeSmith: is Pimpbot snubbing me?
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  73. # [12:55] <pimpbot> planet: html5 vs flash - full comparison chart anywhere? <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2628565/html5-vs-flash-full-comparison-chart-anywhere>
  74. # [12:55] <MikeSmithXX> Stevef: not sure
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  76. # [12:56] <MikeSmithXX> maybe just be due to delay
  77. # [12:56] <MikeSmithXX> @changes
  78. # [12:56] <pimpbot> MikeSmithXX: hixie: mention hr doesn't affect the outline (whatwg r5036) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Apr/0218.html> ** hixie: Try to explain what 'text' means in the attribute table. (whatwg r5035) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Apr/0217.html> ** hixie: Add window.stop() (whatwg r5034) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html- (50 more messages)
  79. # [12:56] <MikeSmithXX> @more
  80. # [12:56] <pimpbot> MikeSmithXX: diffs/2010Apr/0216.html> ** hixie: Center <hr> by default. (whatwg r5033) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Apr/0215.html> ** hixie: Try to make <button> not scoping, for compat. (whatwg r5032) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Apr/0214.html> ** steve: updated alt technique methods with advantages and disadvantages for most methods. (49 more messages)
  81. # [12:56] <MikeSmithXX> ah
  82. # [12:57] <Stevef> MikeSmithXX: np just wanted to ensure you weren't kicking back too much
  83. # [12:57] <MikeSmithXX> yeah, it truncates some of the "changes" notifications
  84. # [12:57] <MikeSmithXX> Stevef: heh :)
  85. # [12:58] <Stevef> see if we can't organize a TPAC Toke fest, get TBL involved??
  86. # [12:59] <pimpbot> changes: steve: added advantages/disadvatages for aria-labelledby method and updated same for aria-describedby <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Apr/0219.html>
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  91. # [13:55] <pimpbot> planet: HTML5 Test. Acid for HTML5? <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ajaxian/~3/sXMfVMIdWeM/html5-test-acid-for-html5>
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  93. # [14:02] <hsivonen> aargh. now html5test.com has made it to ajaxian, too.
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  99. # [14:31] <Stevef> re: html5test.com can anyone explain why chrome 5 passes the input tests when it renders them all as textboxes (except range)?
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  102. # [14:52] <MikeSmith> Stevef: because the test is simple-minded
  103. # [14:53] <MikeSmith> I think all it's doing is checking for the presence of certain conditions in the JS object
  104. # [14:53] <MikeSmith> or something
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  106. # [14:54] <Dashiva> It tests what .type returns
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  108. # [14:54] <Dashiva> On the assumption that if it renders as text, it would return "text"
  109. # [14:55] <Stevef> Mikesmith: dashive: thanks, it confused my simple mind
  110. # [14:55] <Stevef> oops Dashiva
  111. # [15:01] <jgraham> To look at it differently, it confused the test author's simple mind
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  113. # [15:11] * Dashiva wonders what the spec says
  114. # [15:14] <Dashiva> Says .type reflects @type, so Chrome's behavior is correct. The test is just useless.
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  116. # [15:16] <MikeSmith> yeah
  117. # [15:16] <MikeSmith> I think paul_irish modernizr tests may do something more useful
  118. # [15:16] <MikeSmith> but not sure
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  120. # [15:16] <Dashiva> Hum
  121. # [15:19] <MikeSmith> for some features, it's hard to see what kind of automated test could actually be provided
  122. # [15:19] <MikeSmith> the UA eeither generates a particular control or it doesn't
  123. # [15:19] <MikeSmith> and a machine test can't really see if it's there or not
  124. # [15:20] <anne> it used to be that .type was limited to known values
  125. # [15:20] <anne> that feature was sort of nice
  126. # [15:20] <Dashiva> You could use the sanitation, maybe?
  127. # [15:20] <anne> also, shouldn't type=COLOR end up as .type being color?
  128. # [15:21] <anne> otherwise .type is kind of a useless interface
  129. # [15:26] <Dashiva> It does
  130. # [15:26] <Dashiva> The paragraph starting "If a reflecting IDL attribute is a DOMString whose content attribute is an enumerated attribute"
  131. # [15:28] <Dashiva> Missing value default isn't linked, that's probably a bug
  132. # [15:28] <anne> so then you should be able to test such things, although it is kind of ugly
  133. # [15:31] <Dashiva> Hmm
  134. # [15:33] <Dashiva> This looks more complicated than I thought
  135. # [15:34] <Dashiva> The reflection paragraph only applies to attributes limited to only known values, and the input section doesn't say that
  136. # [15:37] <Dashiva> If the paragraph applies, you could use a known invalid value to detect browsers that reflect incorrectly
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  146. # [16:37] <MikeSmith> issue-14?
  147. # [16:37] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-14
  148. # [16:37] <trackbot> ISSUE-14 -- Integration of WAI-ARIA roles into HTML5 -- CLOSED
  149. # [16:37] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/14
  150. # [16:37] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-14 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
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  152. # [16:55] <pimpbot> planet: Can you play a <video> inside the page with Safari iPhone? <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2334898/can-you-play-a-video-inside-the-page-with-safari-iphone> ** The figure & figcaption elements <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/html5doctor/~3/P12SS7Q33CU/>
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  157. # [17:30] <pimpbot> changes: steve: added start of section on How long should a short text alternative be? <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Apr/0220.html>
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  161. # [17:56] <pimpbot> planet: Developer Preview, Lorentz, Firefox, Drumbeat, Personas, OpenGL, SpiderMonkey, and more… <http://blog.mozilla.com/about_mozilla/2010/04/13/developer-preview-lorentz-firefox-drumbeat-personas-opengl-spidermonkey-and-more/>
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  168. # [18:56] <pimpbot> planet: How to synchronize HTML5 local/webStorage and server-side storage? <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2631087/how-to-synchronize-html5-local-webstorage-and-server-side-storage> ** HTML5 Video Volume <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2602541/html5-video-volume>
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  177. # [19:56] <pimpbot> planet: Is HTML5 the new buzzword? ( Web 2.0 was the old one ) [closed] <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2631666/is-html5-the-new-buzzword-web-2-0-was-the-old-one>
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  180. # [20:00] <pimpbot> changes: sam: issue 9 change proposals received. add bug 8646 to issue 31 closed without prejudice: 99, 102, 104 add 107 and 109 to the list <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Apr/0221.html>
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