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  3. # [00:02] <pimpbot> planet: Is there a way to keep two videos synchronized in a webpage without plugins? <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2654817/is-there-a-way-to-keep-two-videos-synchronized-in-a-webpage-without-plugins> ** Pretty-print HTML5 <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2657658/pretty-print-html5> ** Do all the HTML5 storage systems work together ? <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2658179/do-all-the-html5-storage-systems-work-together> **
  4. # [00:08] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9556] New: Spelling Check: "Let current outlinee be null" Outlinee should be Outline? <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Apr/0746.html>
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  17. # [03:03] <pimpbot> planet: In html 5, how to positioning a div element on top of a canvas element? <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2671699/in-html-5-how-to-positioning-a-div-element-on-top-of-a-canvas-element> ** Using XAuth to simplify the social web <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/blogspot/Dcni/~3/O7k60_ciFBQ/using-xauth-to-simplify-social-web.html> ** HTML5 video (mp4 and ogv) problems in Safari and Firefox - but Chrome is all good <http://stackoverflo
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  23. # [04:09] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9550] not all work with chrome <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Apr/0747.html>
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  33. # [07:38] <Sirisian> Anyone know if javascript is going to gain the ability to capture the mouse? Like has anyone submitted a request for that ability?
  34. # [07:48] <Sirisian> Is there a working group that handles it?
  35. # [07:48] <anne> webapps
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  40. # [08:49] <Sirisian> anne, Is there an easy way to view suggestions for that working group? I assume they're part of that bugtracker thing?
  41. # [08:51] <anne> no not really
  42. # [08:51] <anne> most is in the email archive
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  45. # [08:54] <Sirisian> hmm lost connection
  46. # [08:55] <Sirisian> anne, oh gross. I was hoping for a quick way to see all of the suggestions and such. Is this something related to that: http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/ ?
  47. # [08:55] <pimpbot> Title: Web Applications Working Group Issue/Action Summary - Web Applications Working Group Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  48. # [08:57] <Sirisian> it says 2008 thoug hmm
  49. # [08:58] <anne> Sirisian, don't pay attention to dates in w3.org URLs
  50. # [08:58] <Sirisian> oh okay
  51. # [08:58] <anne> Sirisian, but uh, not all suggestions are tracked neatly
  52. # [08:58] <anne> Sirisian, mailing list search (public-webapps (public-webapi/public-appformats for historical data) in this case) is the way to go
  53. # [09:00] <Sirisian> where?
  54. # [09:01] <Sirisian> Also all I wanted to do was to submit a suggestion asking for the ability for javascript to capture the mouse like java can since WebGL apps like games are going to be coming out that need it. Been trying to search for similar suggestions with no luck.
  55. # [09:03] <anne> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/
  56. # [09:03] <pimpbot> Title: public-webapps@w3.org Mail Archives (at lists.w3.org)
  57. # [09:04] <anne> pretty sure some kind of mouse capture has been discussed
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  59. # [09:07] <Sirisian> anne, is it possible using an bugtracker e-mail to just send an e-mail to the public-webapps@w3.org and have it get submitted?
  60. # [09:07] <Sirisian> a*
  61. # [09:10] <anne> i don't believe you can submit new issues via email
  62. # [09:10] <Sirisian> how do you then?
  63. # [09:10] <anne> if you're a member of the WG you can submit new issues via the tracker
  64. # [09:10] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7011] [in off-bug discussion] canvas accessible fallback provision is under specified <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Apr/0749.html> ** [Bug 7744] Is sniffing required? <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Apr/0748.html>
  65. # [09:10] <anne> everyone is however free to subscribe and email to public-webapps@w3.org
  66. # [09:11] <Sirisian> yeah I subscribed
  67. # [09:12] <Sirisian> anne, so I select "WebAppsWG: Open-access tracking system for the HTML WG" one?
  68. # [09:13] <anne> I'm not sure, is this about Bugzilla?
  69. # [09:14] <anne> I guess WebApps might use Bugzilla too... which has public access...
  70. # [09:16] <Sirisian> yeah this is why all the webGL people didn't submit a feature request. They kept saying they couldn't find out how. :\
  71. # [09:17] <Sirisian> I'll just submit it someplace and see if it gets deleted meh
  72. # [09:19] <anne> the WG is sort of overburdened at the moment though
  73. # [09:19] <anne> nobody seems to have time for anything :/
  74. # [09:21] <MikeSmithX> Sirisian: yeah, please feel free to use the "WebAppsWG" bugzilla product
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  76. # [09:23] <Sirisian> okay I think I put it in the correct place: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9557
  77. # [09:23] <pimpbot> 9557: warcraftthreeft@sbcglobal.net, P2, NEW, Could we get Mouse Capture via Javascript?
  78. # [09:23] <MikeSmith> Sirisian: yeah
  79. # [09:24] <MikeSmith> WebAppsWG/DOM3Events
  80. # [09:25] <Sirisian> cool. Hopefully others feel the same way and don't brush it aside. I've been messing around with WebGL and it has potential if it's supported.
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  82. # [09:29] <Sirisian> Thanks for your help. I appreciate it.
  83. # [09:29] <MikeSmith> thanks for raising the bug
  84. # [09:30] <MikeSmith> I hope we can get others to start using bugzilla more for WebApps WG spec comments
  85. # [09:30] <MikeSmith> we use bugzilla in the HTML WG quite heavily, and I think it's a great way of keeping a record of comments
  86. # [09:30] <MikeSmith> much better at least than just relying only on a mailing list
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  88. # [09:31] <Sirisian> It's been mentioned a thousand times that you guys need a dedicated program that's more intuitive than bugzilla. I'd program one if someone paid me, but I sense it would be a lot of work.
  89. # [09:32] <Hixie> what's wrong with bugzilla?
  90. # [09:33] <Hixie> as editor i find it's almost as good as using e-mail
  91. # [09:34] <Sirisian> Hixie, pick someone and tell them to find the bug list for the HTML 5 spec.
  92. # [09:37] <Sirisian> The only way I've seen is to search for "product:html", but I assume there's something I'm missing.
  93. # [09:38] <Hixie> there's a link to the bug list in the spec - paragraph 3 of the status section of the w3c copy of the spec
  94. # [09:38] <Hixie> i agree that searching for it on google doesn't get good results
  95. # [09:38] <Hixie> but that's not a reason to change the tool
  96. # [09:38] <Hixie> that's a reason to fix the links
  97. # [09:38] <Hixie> let's see
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  100. # [09:50] <Hixie> MikeSmith: we should add a clear link to "HTML Bugs" or "Bug List" or "HTML5 Bug List" or something on http://www.w3.org/html/wg/
  101. # [09:50] <pimpbot> Title: W3C HTML Working Group (at www.w3.org)
  102. # [09:51] <Hixie> that's the page that comes up for [HTML5 bug list] currently
  103. # [09:51] <MikeSmith> I thought I had a link there
  104. # [09:51] <MikeSmith> lemme look now
  105. # [09:51] <MikeSmith> mjs: ↑
  106. # [09:52] <mjs> MikeSmith: yes?
  107. # [09:52] <mjs> Hixie: link for open bugs?
  108. # [09:52] <Hixie> there's only a list for process bugs and a list for all bugs of the entire wg including closed ones
  109. # [09:52] <Hixie> as far as i can tell
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  111. # [09:53] <mjs> there's also the "bugs resolved in the last 30 days" link, which I think might be the wrong query
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  113. # [09:54] <MikeSmith> the navigation at the top has a "Bugzilla" link
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  115. # [09:54] <mjs> Hixie: do you want a link to file a bug, or link to set of open bugs per component?
  116. # [09:54] <mjs> set of open bugs per active draft I gues
  117. # [09:54] <Hixie> Sirisian was asking for "the bug list for the HTML 5 spec"
  118. # [09:55] <Hixie> presumably open ones
  119. # [09:55] <Hixie> though what the spec links to is open ones and ones marked NEEDSINFO, LATER, and REMIND, including VERIFIED and CLOSED ones
  120. # [09:55] <MikeSmith> we should have a link there for raising new bugs too
  121. # [09:56] <Sirisian> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=product%3Ahtml <-- Hixie I just go here, but I often wonder how others find the list
  122. # [09:56] <pimpbot> Title: Bug List (at www.w3.org)
  123. # [09:56] <mjs> MikeSmith: file a bug link is easy, making it point to the right component, maybe not so much
  124. # [09:56] <MikeSmith> yeah
  125. # [09:57] <MikeSmith> for the open bugs list, maybe what we need is http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=ALL+product:HTML+-status:CLOSED+-status:VERIFIED+-status:RESOLVED
  126. # [09:57] <pimpbot> Title: Bug List (at www.w3.org)
  127. # [09:57] <Hixie> Sirisian: that's not only html5, either... there's a better link that i'm putting into the whatwg spec headers
  128. # [09:57] <Sirisian> oh okay
  129. # [09:57] <Sirisian> Also why is there a tracker software and bugzilla at the same time? That confuses me and probably other people that happen to glance at both.
  130. # [09:58] <mjs> this query is what I consider unresolved bugs on HTML5: http://bit.ly/6CvSBr
  131. # [09:58] <pimpbot> Title: Bug List (at bit.ly)
  132. # [09:58] <mjs> rather, that is the list of unresolved bugs for HTML5, HTML Microdata, and HTML Canvas 2D Context
  133. # [09:58] <Hixie> mjs: should i replace the link in the w3c spec to point to that?
  134. # [09:59] <mjs> this is the list I consider resolved but potentially incomplete: http://bit.ly/aV8bd8
  135. # [09:59] <MikeSmith> mjs, Hixie - http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/enter_bug.cgi?product=HTML%20WG&component=HTML5%20spec%20bugs
  136. # [09:59] <pimpbot> Title: Bug List (at bit.ly)
  137. # [09:59] <pimpbot> Title: Log in to Bugzilla (at www.w3.org)
  138. # [09:59] <MikeSmith> I think adding &component=foo works
  139. # [09:59] <mjs> MikeSmith: did not know you could do that
  140. # [09:59] <MikeSmith> mjs: I didn't either
  141. # [09:59] <Hixie> MikeSmith: if you're making a saved bookmark for those, please make the default priority P3
  142. # [09:59] <mjs> following the link works for me
  143. # [10:00] <Hixie> mjs: there's a "remember values as bookmarkable template" button on each new bug form
  144. # [10:00] <MikeSmith> trial-and-error FTW
  145. # [10:00] <Hixie> that makes the url for you
  146. # [10:00] <Hixie> MikeSmith: ^
  147. # [10:00] <mjs> unfortunately it's hard to query for complete bugs
  148. # [10:00] <MikeSmith> Hixie: thanks, didn't know
  149. # [10:00] <mjs> since it is hard to check for (CLOSED) || (VERIFIED && NoReply)
  150. # [10:00] * MikeSmith wonders if that uses quicksearch syntax or not
  151. # [10:01] <mjs> which is why in the revised decision policy I am going with (CLOSED && NoReply)
  152. # [10:01] <MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/enter_bug.cgi?product=HTML%20WG&component=HTML5%20spec%20bugs&priority=P3 works, anyway
  153. # [10:01] <pimpbot> Title: Log in to Bugzilla (at www.w3.org)
  154. # [10:01] <Hixie> mjs: just use the advanced searching with boolean charts feature
  155. # [10:01] <Hixie> mjs: it's like itunes
  156. # [10:01] <mjs> Hixie: yeah I know, it just hurts my brain to do it
  157. # [10:01] <mjs> (don't get the iTunes reference, I don't search there)
  158. # [10:02] <Hixie> actually i dunno how you would do A OR (B AND C)
  159. # [10:02] <mjs> hrmm, our WG homepage has fake XHTML
  160. # [10:03] <Hixie> the reference to iTunes was about the smart playlist feature
  161. # [10:03] <mjs> Hixie: it supports both ANDs and ORs, but I tinf it confusing
  162. # [10:03] <Hixie> mjs: should i update the link in the spec to point to your bug list? right now it points to an unmanageable list.
  163. # [10:04] <Hixie> that's the "The working groups maintains a list of all bug reports that the editor has not yet tried to address" link in the SotD
  164. # [10:04] <Hixie> on http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html
  165. # [10:04] <pimpbot> Title: HTML5 (at dev.w3.org)
  166. # [10:04] <mjs> Hixie: I think my bug list is probably a more relevant list
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  168. # [10:05] <pimpbot> planet: HTML5 Captioning Update (Timed Tracks) <http://annevankesteren.nl/2010/04/html5-timed-tracks>
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  171. # [10:08] <mjs> I'm adding "file a bug" links for each spec to the homepage
  172. # [10:08] <mjs> will follow up with "current bugs" links
  173. # [10:08] <mjs> or something like that
  174. # [10:12] * Hixie finds a way to slightly speed up his script
  175. # [10:12] <Hixie> turning off the profiler that i'd switched on when last trying to speed it up...
  176. # [10:15] <mjs> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/
  177. # [10:15] <pimpbot> Title: W3C HTML Working Group (at www.w3.org)
  178. # [10:15] <mjs> (File a bug) links added
  179. # [10:17] <Hixie> the link to Bugzilla at the top is probably not very useful while you're at it
  180. # [10:17] <mjs> I guess I'll delete it and add relevant query links
  181. # [10:17] <mjs> trying to think where to put those
  182. # [10:17] <mjs> maybe in the "Ongoing" section
  183. # [10:17] <Hixie> also as beautifully ironic as it is, "Decision Policy Bug List" being the first thing in the list of what we're up to is probably not optimally useful for people who reach this page by searching for "html5 bug list" :-)
  184. # [10:20] <Hixie> ok i've updated the specs so that it's easier to get the bug list
  185. # [10:25] <mjs> Hixie: I moved it last in that list
  186. # [10:25] <mjs> about to commit
  187. # [10:25] <mjs> all right, done
  188. # [10:26] <mjs> suggestions for further refinement welcome: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/
  189. # [10:26] <pimpbot> Title: W3C HTML Working Group (at www.w3.org)
  190. # [10:38] <MikeSmith> mjs: looks great
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  192. # [10:41] <pimpbot> changes: postmsg; hixie: make the open bug list more visible (new link from maciej) (whatwg r5064) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Apr/0270.html> ** microdata; hixie: make the open bug list more visible (new link from maciej) (whatwg r5064) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Apr/0269.html> ** 2Dapi; hixie: make the open bug list more visible (new link from maciej) (whatwg r5064) <http://lis
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  195. # [11:05] <pimpbot> planet: Dev.Opera: JavaScript で実現する アクセシブルな字幕付き HTML5 ビデオ <http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/1521>
  196. # [11:11] <pimpbot> changes: mike: updated bug-reporting link <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Apr/0271.html>
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  210. # [13:05] <pimpbot> planet: Make HTML5 code look beautiful! <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2657658/make-html5-code-look-beautiful>
  211. # [13:13] <pimpbot> changes: mjs: Added third Change Proposal for ISSUE-86. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Apr/0276.html> ** mjs: Record Change Proposal for ISSUE-110. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Apr/0275.html> ** mjs: Add missing <br>. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Apr/0274.html> ** mjs: Record issue 110. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010A
  212. # [14:06] <pimpbot> planet: How to write backwards compatible HTML5 ? <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2674655/how-to-write-backwards-compatible-html5>
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  221. # [15:43] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9535] Consider the poem example of figure. It should be possible to omit the </p> tag there. Maybe we should make <figcaption> imply </p> in the parser. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Apr/0750.html>
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  223. # [16:06] <pimpbot> planet: How to change the opacity (alpha, transparency) of an element in a canvas element after it has been drawn? <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2359537/how-to-change-the-opacity-alpha-transparency-of-an-element-in-a-canvas-element>
  224. # [16:36] <pimpbot> planet: Your Questions Answered #7 <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/html5doctor/~3/hgrP3g3lqxA/>
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  237. # [18:51] <MikeSmith> issue-74?
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  239. # [18:51] <trackbot> ISSUE-74 -- How accessibility works for <canvas> is unclear. -- OPEN
  240. # [18:51] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/74
  241. # [18:51] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-74 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
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  248. # [19:37] <pimpbot> planet: Canvas and HTML5: Supported Browsers? <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2676994/canvas-and-html5-supported-browsers>
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  256. # [20:45] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9560] New: [history] The line game example doesn't work properly <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Apr/0752.html> ** [Bug 9559] New: "Color well control" should be "color wheel control" I think. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Apr/0751.html>
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  270. # [22:39] <pimpbot> planet: How to listen for iPhone keyboard action/touch (ex, 'GO', 'Search', etc) <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2678370/how-to-listen-for-iphone-keyboard-action-touch-ex-go-search-etc>
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