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  6. # [00:46] <pimpbot> planet: Inside The CSS Working Group <http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2010/04/21/inside-the-css-working-group.aspx>
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  14. # [03:34] <Sirisian> What's doug's name here?
  15. # [03:34] <shepazu> I'm Doug
  16. # [03:34] <shepazu> I guess you're wondering about setCapture?
  17. # [03:35] <shepazu> Sirisian: I removed it earlier today, after a telcon with Mozilla and Microsoft, who suggested that it would be better in a later spec (the pen-tablet/multi-touch/gestures spec)
  18. # [03:35] <Sirisian> yeah you linked to something?
  19. # [03:36] <shepazu> it's still there in older versions of the spec
  20. # [03:37] <shepazu> but the browser vendors don't think it's ready for standardization
  21. # [03:37] <Sirisian> So would the idea be a method where you could take over the mouse and keep it from leaving the window and get the mouse move offsets and such?
  22. # [03:40] <Sirisian> shepazu, I don't think you understood what I meant.
  23. # [03:40] <Sirisian> I just read what you wrote in the spec
  24. # [03:40] <Sirisian> seems to be a different idea all together
  25. # [03:41] <shepazu> prevent the mouse from leaving the window?
  26. # [03:42] <shepazu> that seems like a very bad idea, and probably not really possible for browsers
  27. # [03:42] <Sirisian> shepazu, ever used java?
  28. # [03:42] <shepazu> yes
  29. # [03:42] <Sirisian> Java has the ability to capture and hold the mouse like an application.
  30. # [03:42] <Sirisian> It's had this ability since the beginning of time. Unity has the ability to do this too.
  31. # [03:43] <Sirisian> "not really possible for browsers" ? what? That doesn't make any sense.
  32. # [03:44] <Sirisian> Warn the user before it happens is one possible method. Java doesn't warn the user. Pressing escape releases the mouse and clicking captures the mouse. Many java games use it. I've noticed that with WebGL games coming out it would be useful.
  33. # [03:45] <Sirisian> or canvas games which I've messed around with also, but I've been using WebGL more recently.
  34. # [03:46] <shepazu> I understood you to mean (just now) that the mouse couldn't leave the window... I've only seen that in virtualizers
  35. # [03:46] <shepazu> but yes, it does seem like we were talking about 2 different things
  36. # [03:47] <shepazu> so, I'l correct my comments on that thread, and someone else can pick it up if they are interested
  37. # [03:48] <Sirisian> okay thanks
  38. # [03:50] <shepazu> for myself, I don't like any application that steals my mouse control, so I wouldn't want to see it
  39. # [03:50] <Sirisian> you're against webapps?
  40. # [03:51] <shepazu> please don't use rhetoric
  41. # [03:51] <Sirisian> I like the idea of giving web pages the full power of normal applications in a sandbox. Always liked that concept.
  42. # [03:51] <Sirisian> sorry for saying it like that. That came off odd.
  43. # [03:52] <Sirisian> Are you against the right mouse button cancelling the context menu also?
  44. # [03:52] <Sirisian> I've given up trying to get that into the spec since Opera doesn't like the idea of web pages using the right mouse button it seems.
  45. # [03:53] <shepazu> I also want to give browsers a full range of access to system resources, which is why I spend an inordinate amount of time devoting my energy to specing the behavior out
  46. # [03:53] <mjs> preventing the mouse from leaving the browser window is something we'd be very hesitant to implement
  47. # [03:53] <mjs> it seems like it could easily confuse the user
  48. # [03:53] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9574] New: Floating point number tolerance <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Apr/0762.html>
  49. # [03:53] <mjs> letting the web page capture mouse events while the mouse button is down seems acceptable though
  50. # [03:53] <shepazu> I don't like authors canceling the context menu, but I do favor allowing authors to supply an alternate context menu
  51. # [03:53] <Sirisian> mjs, Java developers didn't think so
  52. # [03:54] <mjs> Sirisian: a Java applet can keep the mouse from leaving the window?
  53. # [03:54] <Sirisian> Well most of what I'm saying is in regards to games. WebGL and canvas have a lot of potential to get rid of flash.
  54. # [03:54] * mjs has never seen such a thing
  55. # [03:54] <Sirisian> mjs, for like 10 years...
  56. # [03:54] <mjs> example?
  57. # [03:54] <Sirisian> mjs, Ever play minecraft?
  58. # [03:54] <Sirisian> It's a fun online game with voxel worlds.
  59. # [03:55] <mjs> or if you have a Flash example that would be relevant as well
  60. # [03:55] <mjs> nope
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  64. # [05:59] * Topic is 'The Web platform is drinking your milkshake.'
  65. # [05:59] * Set by MikeSmith on Wed Apr 14 11:54:40
  66. # [06:24] <pimpbot> changes: mjs: Record counter-proposal for issues 90, 91, 93, 95, 95, 97. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Apr/0289.html>
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  68. # [06:49] <pimpbot> planet: With the advent of HTML 5, is there a point in using COMET anymore? <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2688094/with-the-advent-of-html-5-is-there-a-point-in-using-comet-anymore> ** Drag-and-drop file upload in Chromium? <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2657653/drag-and-drop-file-upload-in-chromium>
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  71. # [07:24] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9575] header lacks footer’s reference to scoping (nearest ancestor sectioning element/body) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Apr/0764.html> ** [Bug 9575] New: header lacks footer’s reference to scoping (nearest ancestor sectioning element/body) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Apr/0763.html>
  72. # [08:54] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9577] New: Define the x and y attributes. Both Gecko and WebKit have them and apparently some sites depend on them :/ <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Apr/0766.html> ** [Bug 9576] New: just say "an ASCII case-insensitive match for "URL"" instead of "either a U+0055 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER U character (U) or a U+0075 LATIN SMALL LETTER U character (u), a U+0052 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER R character (R) or a U+0072 LAT
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  77. # [09:50] <pimpbot> planet: How do i tint an image with HTML5 Canvas ? <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2688961/how-do-i-tint-an-image-with-html5-canvas> ** Ah, that wonderful Flash installation experience... <http://adblockplus.org/blog/ah-that-wonderful-flash-installation-experience>
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  82. # [10:55] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9578] On http-state it was mentioned that browsers support Set-Cookie here. Ugh! <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Apr/0768.html> ** [Bug 9578] New: On http-state it was mentioned that browsers support Set-Cookie here. Ugh! <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Apr/0767.html>
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  88. # [11:25] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9572] test for gears, i like it <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Apr/0770.html> ** [Bug 9573] spec input.onsearch <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Apr/0769.html>
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  90. # [11:55] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9579] New: An element should not suffer from pattern mismatch if the pattern attribute value is the empty string <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Apr/0771.html>
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  98. # [13:51] <pimpbot> planet: HTML5: bolt-on or built-in accessibility? <http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/2010/html5-bolt-on-or-built-in-accessibility/>
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  106. # [14:51] <pimpbot> planet: HTML5 is my Arcade. Akihabara. <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ajaxian/~3/2mM0w47gNJ8/html5-is-my-arcade-akihabara>
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  123. # [16:56] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9582] New: Steps for handling end tags in the "in foreign" mode get stuck in an infinite loop <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Apr/0774.html> ** [Bug 9581] New: Steps for handling end tags in the "in foreign" mode may compare the name of an already-popped node <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Apr/0773.html> ** [Bug 9580] New: Steps for handling end tags in the "in foreign"
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  132. # [17:52] <pimpbot> planet: Flex 4 vs JavaScript Options (Cappuccino, JQuery, etc.) <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2670182/flex-4-vs-javascript-options-cappuccino-jquery-etc>
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  134. # [17:56] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9439] UA should not change values of input elements in telephone state <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Apr/0775.html>
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  138. # [17:59] <dsinger_> zakim, who is here?
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  140. # [18:00] <dsinger_> Zakim, this is html
  141. # [18:00] <Zakim> html matches both WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM and HTML_WG()12:00PM, dsinger_
  142. # [18:00] <dsinger_> zakim, mute dsinger_
  143. # [18:00] <Zakim> sorry, dsinger_, I don't know what conference this is
  144. # [18:00] <rubys> trackbot, start meeting
  145. # [18:00] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference
  146. # [18:00] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  147. # [18:00] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
  148. # [18:00] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be HTML
  149. # [18:00] <Zakim> HTML matches both WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM and HTML_WG()12:00PM
  150. # [18:00] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  151. # [18:00] <trackbot> Date: 22 April 2010
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  155. # [18:00] <Zakim> sorry, dsinger_, I don't know what conference this is
  156. # [18:00] <rubys> zakim, this will be HTML_WG
  157. # [18:00] <Zakim> ok, rubys, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
  158. # [18:00] <Julian> Zakim, who's on the phone?
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  160. # [18:00] <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
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  162. # [18:01] <dsinger_> zakim, mute dsinger_
  163. # [18:01] <Julian> that was me
  164. # [18:01] <janina> zakim, call janina
  165. # [18:01] <Zakim> On the phone I see dsinger, +49.251.280.aaaa, [Microsoft]
  166. # [18:01] <Zakim> +paulc; got it
  167. # [18:01] <Zakim> sorry, dsinger_, I do not know which phone connection belongs to dsinger_
  168. # [18:01] <dsinger_> zakim, who is on the phone?
  169. # [18:01] <Zakim> ok, janina; the call is being made
  170. # [18:01] <paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Apr/1090.html
  171. # [18:01] <Zakim> +Janina
  172. # [18:01] <pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2010-04-22: Action items, issues, decision policy, A11Y recommendations, polyglot spec from Paul Cotton on 2010-04-21 (public-html@w3.org from April 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  173. # [18:01] <Julian> Zakim, +49.251.280.aaaa is me
  174. # [18:01] <Zakim> On the phone I see dsinger, +49.251.280.aaaa, [Microsoft], Janina
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  176. # [18:01] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc
  177. # [18:01] <Zakim> +Julian; got it
  178. # [18:01] <dsinger_> Zakim, mute dsinger
  179. # [18:01] <Zakim> dsinger should now be muted
  180. # [18:01] <Zakim> +Sam
  181. # [18:02] <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
  182. # [18:02] * dsinger_ next week...I have 3g but I will doy best
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  188. # [18:03] <dsinger_> zakim, mute dsinger
  189. # [18:03] <Zakim> dsinger should now be muted
  190. # [18:04] <Zakim> +Radhika_Roy
  191. # [18:04] <Zakim> +Michael_Cooper
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  193. # [18:04] <rubys> scribe: rubys
  194. # [18:05] <rubys> topic: 1. ACTION items due by Thu Apr 22
  195. # [18:05] <rubys> paulc: none due this week, some will be due later this month
  196. # [18:05] <Julian> q+
  197. # [18:05] * Zakim sees Julian on the speaker queue
  198. # [18:05] <rubys> topic: 2. Issues with deadlines due by April 22:
  199. # [18:05] * plh-lunch zakim, call plh-mobile
  200. # [18:05] * Zakim ok, plh-lunch; the call is being made
  201. # [18:05] <Zakim> +Plh
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  203. # [18:05] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  204. # [18:05] * plh zakim, mute me
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  207. # [18:06] <rubys> paulc: issue-27 is overdue, julian reported in message 1058 that the IESG will take this up today, hopefully julian can provide an email report after that is complete.
  208. # [18:06] <Julian> q-
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  211. # [18:06] <rubys> topic: 3. WG Decision Policy update (Maciej)
  212. # [18:07] * plh zakim, who is on the phone?
  213. # [18:07] * Zakim sees on the phone: Julian, [Microsoft], Janina, Sam, [IPcaller], dsinger (muted), Radhika_Roy, Michael_Cooper, Plh (muted), [Microsoft.a]
  214. # [18:07] * Zakim [Microsoft] has paulc
  215. # [18:07] <dsinger_> zakim, who is on the phone?
  216. # [18:07] <Zakim> On the phone I see Julian, [Microsoft], Janina, Sam, [IPcaller], dsinger (muted), Radhika_Roy, Michael_Cooper, Plh (muted), [Microsoft.a]
  217. # [18:07] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc
  218. # [18:07] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.aa]
  219. # [18:07] <Eliot_Graff> zakim, [Microsoft.aa] is me
  220. # [18:07] <Zakim> +Eliot_Graff; got it
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  223. # [18:07] <paulc> Bug 9954
  224. # [18:07] <pimpbot> Bug http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9954 was not found.
  225. # [18:08] <paulc> Bug 9554
  226. # [18:08] <pimpbot> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9554 mjs@apple.com, P2, NEW, Define procedure for entering Last Call
  227. # [18:08] <rubys> paulc: doesn't see maciej on the call, and wants to note new bug to deal with the process to get into last call
  228. # [18:08] <rubys> topic: 4. Items that close this week (by Thu Apr 22)
  229. # [18:08] <rubys> issue-82?
  230. # [18:09] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-82
  231. # [18:09] <trackbot> ISSUE-82 -- Suggested replacement for head/@profile does not provide for disambiguation -- OPEN
  232. # [18:09] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/82
  233. # [18:09] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-82 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  234. # [18:09] <rubys> paulc: will come back to this item in agenda item 6a
  235. # [18:09] <rubys> topic: 5. Items that close next week (by Thu Apr 29)
  236. # [18:09] <frank_olivier> zakim, [Microsoft.a] is me
  237. # [18:09] <Zakim> +frank_olivier; got it
  238. # [18:09] <rubys> issue-78?
  239. # [18:09] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-78
  240. # [18:09] <trackbot> ISSUE-78 -- Spec should use a term other than "URL" for Web Addresses -- RAISED
  241. # [18:09] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/78
  242. # [18:09] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-78 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  243. # [18:10] <rubys> paulc: will close without prejudice is no change proposals are received by saturday
  244. # [18:10] <rubys> topic: 6. New Calls for Proposals/Counter Proposals/Consensus this Week
  245. # [18:10] <rubys> issue-82?
  246. # [18:10] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-82
  247. # [18:10] <trackbot> ISSUE-82 -- Suggested replacement for head/@profile does not provide for disambiguation -- OPEN
  248. # [18:10] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/82
  249. # [18:10] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-82 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  250. # [18:10] <Zakim> +dsinger
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  252. # [18:11] <rubys> paulc: we have a change proposal which appears to have support, so we have issued a CfC for amicable resolution that closes on april 27th
  253. # [18:11] <dsinger_> zakim, mute dsinger
  254. # [18:11] <Zakim> dsinger should now be muted
  255. # [18:11] <rubys> issue-88?
  256. # [18:11] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-88
  257. # [18:11] <trackbot> ISSUE-88 -- Should meta/@content allow a list of languages instead of just a single language? -- OPEN
  258. # [18:11] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/88
  259. # [18:11] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-88 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
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  261. # [18:12] <rubys> paulc: waiting to get feedback from the I18N working group; we've received private email
  262. # [18:12] <paulc> I18N WG supports the proposal in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Apr/0308.html
  263. # [18:12] <pimpbot> Title: Proposal to make Content-Language pragma non-conforming altogether for ISSUE-88 (mark I) from Ian Hickson on 2010-04-09 (public-html@w3.org from April 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  264. # [18:12] <Zakim> + +1.218.340.aabb
  265. # [18:12] <rubys> paulc: at this point the chairs have the input we need to move forward, we will like issue a consensus poll ASAP
  266. # [18:13] <Laura> Zakim, aabb is me
  267. # [18:13] <Zakim> +Laura; got it
  268. # [18:13] <rubys> issue-89
  269. # [18:13] <rubys> issue-89?
  270. # [18:13] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-89
  271. # [18:13] <trackbot> ISSUE-89 -- Remove Section 4.12 Common Idioms without dedicated Elements -- OPEN
  272. # [18:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/89
  273. # [18:13] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-89 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  274. # [18:13] <rubys> issue-92?
  275. # [18:13] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-92
  276. # [18:13] <trackbot> ISSUE-92 -- Re-write the Table section to remove extraneous material, and provide cleaner description -- OPEN
  277. # [18:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/92
  278. # [18:13] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-92 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  279. # [18:13] <rubys> issue-103?
  280. # [18:13] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-103
  281. # [18:13] <trackbot> ISSUE-103 -- XML escaping in iframe/@srcdoc -- OPEN
  282. # [18:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/103
  283. # [18:13] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-103 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  284. # [18:13] <rubys> issue-107?
  285. # [18:13] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-107
  286. # [18:13] <trackbot> ISSUE-107 -- Politics in fallback example for plugin usage -- OPEN
  287. # [18:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/107
  288. # [18:13] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-107 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  289. # [18:13] <rubys> paulc: chairs issued a call for counter proposals on all four of the above, this call closes on Victoria day...
  290. # [18:13] <rubys> paulc: any volunteers?
  291. # [18:14] <rubys> topic: 7. New Issues This Week
  292. # [18:14] <rubys> paulc: none
  293. # [18:14] <rubys> paulc: that's a good sign
  294. # [18:14] <rubys> topic: 8. Accessibility Task Force Recommendations
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  296. # [18:15] <rubys> issue-30?
  297. # [18:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-30
  298. # [18:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-30 -- Should HTML 5 include a longdesc attribute for images -- OPEN
  299. # [18:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/30
  300. # [18:15] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-30 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  301. # [18:15] <rubys> paulc: the TF prefers the proposal that restores longdesc
  302. # [18:15] <rubys> 8. Accessibility Task Force Recommendations
  303. # [18:16] <rubys> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/LongdescConformingWithWarning
  304. # [18:16] <pimpbot> Title: ChangeProposals/LongdescConformingWithWarning - HTML WG Wiki (at www.w3.org)
  305. # [18:16] <rubys> janina: we prefer the proposal without warnings, but are prepared to accept warnings
  306. # [18:17] <rubys> paulc: that's very useful information to have
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  308. # [18:17] <rubys> ISSUE-66?
  309. # [18:17] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-66
  310. # [18:17] <trackbot> ISSUE-66 -- image analysis heuristics -- OPEN
  311. # [18:17] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/66
  312. # [18:17] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-66 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  313. # [18:18] <rubys> paulc: the TF supports the proposal to remove the image heuristics paragraph
  314. # [18:18] <rubys> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/ImageHeuristics
  315. # [18:18] <pimpbot> Title: ChangeProposals/ImageHeuristics - HTML WG Wiki (at www.w3.org)
  316. # [18:18] <rubys> janina: we don't disagree with the idea of heuristics, but we don't want to rely on it
  317. # [18:18] <rubys> ISSUE-80?
  318. # [18:18] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-80
  319. # [18:18] <trackbot> ISSUE-80 -- document conformance and device dependent display of title attribute content -- OPEN
  320. # [18:18] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/80
  321. # [18:18] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-80 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  322. # [18:19] <rubys> paulc: the TF does not accept @title as a substitute for @alt
  323. # [18:19] <rubys> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/ImgElement20091203
  324. # [18:19] <pimpbot> Title: ChangeProposals/ImgElement20091203 - HTML WG Wiki (at www.w3.org)
  325. # [18:19] <rubys> paulc: next up is the HTML-A11Y Task Force Recommendation on ISSUES-90, 91, 93, 95, 96, & 97
  326. # [18:20] <rubys> paulc: the TF opposes the change proposals to remove the elements, and maintains the work item to check these elements and make them better
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  328. # [18:20] <rubys> janina: we felt that each of these elements can or will improve accessibility
  329. # [18:21] <rubys> janina: you can expect an additional resolution from us this week
  330. # [18:21] <Laura> Shelley has responded and asked questions of the TF: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Apr/1111.html
  331. # [18:21] <pimpbot> Title: General Response to the Accessibility Task force on Issues 90, 91, 93, 96, 97 from Shelley Powers on 2010-04-22 (public-html@w3.org from April 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  332. # [18:21] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Apr/1098.html
  333. # [18:21] <pimpbot> Title: Zero-edit Change Proposal for ISSUE-90 figure, ISSUE-91 aside, ISSUE-93 details, ISSUE-95 hidden, ISSUE-96 progress, and ISSUE-97 meter from Edward O'Connor on 2010-04-22 (public-html@w3.org from April 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  334. # [18:21] <rubys> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/KeepNewElements
  335. # [18:21] <pimpbot> Title: ChangeProposals/KeepNewElements - HTML WG Wiki (at www.w3.org)
  336. # [18:22] * plh zakim, unmute me
  337. # [18:22] * Zakim Plh should no longer be muted
  338. # [18:22] <paulc> Msg 366.html points to http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/User:Eoconnor/keephidden.
  339. # [18:22] <pimpbot> Title: User:Eoconnor/keephidden. - HTML WG Wiki (at www.w3.org)
  340. # [18:22] <cyns> Here's the thread on it as well http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Apr/1098.html
  341. # [18:22] <pimpbot> Title: Zero-edit Change Proposal for ISSUE-90 figure, ISSUE-91 aside, ISSUE-93 details, ISSUE-95 hidden, ISSUE-96 progress, and ISSUE-97 meter from Edward O'Connor on 2010-04-22 (public-html@w3.org from April 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  342. # [18:23] <rubys> janina: we expect the TF will endorse Edward's counter proposal via a poll
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  344. # [18:23] <mjs> sorry I'm late, dialing now
  345. # [18:23] <rubys> paulc: we would expect further input after the TF meeting next thursday
  346. # [18:23] <Laura> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Apr/0208.html
  347. # [18:23] <pimpbot> Title: Fwd: General Response to the Accessibility Task force on Issues 90, 91, 93, 96, 97 from Laura Carlson on 2010-04-22 (public-html-a11y@w3.org from April 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  348. # [18:24] <Zakim> +[Apple]
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  351. # [18:24] <Zakim> + +1.415.595.aacc
  352. # [18:24] <rubys> paulc (on behalf of the co-chairs): thank you to Janina for bringing this forward
  353. # [18:24] <dsinger> zakim, [apple] has dsinger
  354. # [18:24] <Zakim> +dsinger; got it
  355. # [18:24] <rubys> topic: 9. Call for Volunteers for Polyglot specification (Adrian)
  356. # [18:24] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Apr/1091.html
  357. # [18:24] <pimpbot> Title: RE: Request for Volunteers: Polyglot spec from Eliot Graff on 2010-04-21 (public-html@w3.org from April 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  358. # [18:24] <rubys> http://dev.w3.org/html5/html-xhtml-author-guide/html-xhtml-authoring-guide.html
  359. # [18:24] <pimpbot> Title: HTML/XHTML Compatibility Authoring Guidelines (at dev.w3.org)
  360. # [18:25] <rubys> Eliot: I uploaded an early draft based on two useful references provided by Sam. I've gotten good feedback from a number of members on the list.
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  363. # [18:26] <rubys> paulc: I'm going to take this draft and follow up with the TAG co-chairs, and will attempt to get input from the tag
  364. # [18:27] <rubys> paulc: at some point we are going to recommend that people switch to bugzilla (we already have reports of changes on top of other people's suggestions)
  365. # [18:27] <rubys> eliot: when we get to that point, I will ask for people to open bugs
  366. # [18:27] <plh> q+
  367. # [18:27] * Zakim sees plh on the speaker queue
  368. # [18:27] <rubys> topic: 10. Other Business
  369. # [18:27] <paulc> ack plh
  370. # [18:27] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
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  372. # [18:29] <rubys> janina: we are to be delivering deadlines on issues that we haven't finished by next week. The ARIA-mappings deadline may slip (about a week). It is also possible that media may not have coalesced around deadlines. She things the others are fairly well in hand.
  373. # [18:29] <rubys> janina: there may be one new issue that we will escalate, namely the accessibility of drag and drop. We will identify a deadline when we escalate.
  374. # [18:30] <rubys> paulc: next week will be our normal bi-weekly status; we encourage you to provide input in writing. The agenda will enumerate the issues.
  375. # [18:30] <rubys> issue-41?
  376. # [18:30] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-41
  377. # [18:30] <trackbot> ISSUE-41 -- Decentralized extensibility -- OPEN
  378. # [18:30] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/41
  379. # [18:30] <Zakim> + +1.831.454.aadd
  380. # [18:30] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-41 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  381. # [18:30] <cardona507> Zakim, +1.831.454.aadd is me
  382. # [18:30] <Zakim> +cardona507; got it
  383. # [18:31] <rubys> plh: what is the plan for this issue?
  384. # [18:31] <cardona507> Zakim, mute me
  385. # [18:31] <Zakim> cardona507 should now be muted
  386. # [18:31] <rubys> paulc: we perused about 15 issues, and this resulted in 5-6 counter proposals, we had 3-4 which were blocked....
  387. # [18:31] <rubys> paulc: it simply is in our pending queue...
  388. # [18:32] <rubys> plh: given facebook's recent announcement, this is more urgent
  389. # [18:32] <rubys> paulc: bring this up on the mailing list?
  390. # [18:32] <plh> s/more urgent/new information/
  391. # [18:32] <rubys> s/is more urgent/has new information/
  392. # [18:33] <Zakim> -Julian
  393. # [18:33] <rubys> paulc: this simply was a bandwidth item, we will discuss it new week...
  394. # [18:33] <rubys> topic: 11. Scribe for next meeting
  395. # [18:34] <rubys> paulc: co-chairs will pick a scribe
  396. # [18:34] * dsinger zakim, who is here?
  397. # [18:34] * Zakim sees on the phone: [Microsoft], Janina, Sam, [IPcaller], Radhika_Roy, Michael_Cooper, Plh, frank_olivier, Eliot_Graff, Laura, [Apple], +1.415.595.aacc, cardona507 (muted)
  398. # [18:34] <cardona507> quick meeting today
  399. # [18:34] * Zakim [Apple] has dsinger
  400. # [18:34] * Zakim [Microsoft] has paulc
  401. # [18:34] <Zakim> -Janina
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  405. # [18:35] <dsinger> zakim, aacc is mjs
  406. # [18:35] <Zakim> +mjs; got it
  407. # [18:35] <rubys> (revisited decision policy agenda item, no new information)
  408. # [18:35] <rubys> topic: 12. Adjournment
  409. # [18:35] <paulc> adjounred at :33
  410. # [18:35] <rubys> paulc: adjourned
  411. # [18:35] <Zakim> -Plh
  412. # [18:35] <Laura> bye
  413. # [18:35] <Zakim> -mjs
  414. # [18:35] <Zakim> -[Apple]
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  416. # [18:35] <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
  417. # [18:35] <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
  418. # [18:35] <Zakim> -Sam
  419. # [18:35] <Zakim> -Eliot_Graff
  420. # [18:35] <Zakim> -Radhika_Roy
  421. # [18:35] <rubys> rrsagent, draft minutes
  422. # [18:35] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/04/22-html-wg-minutes.html rubys
  423. # [18:35] <Zakim> -Laura
  424. # [18:35] <Zakim> -cardona507
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  426. # [18:35] <cardona507> goodbye
  427. # [18:35] <Zakim> -frank_olivier
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  477. # [23:53] <pimpbot> planet: My safe word is "distributed extensibility": http://diveintohtml5.org/extensibility.html <http://twitter.com/diveintomark/statuses/12661185042>
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