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  1. # Session Start: Thu Apr 29 00:00:00 2010
  2. # Session Ident: #html-wg
  3. # [00:04] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7918] prefetching: allow site to deny <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Apr/0814.html>
  4. # [00:34] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 7918] prefetching: allow site to deny" (4 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Apr/0817.html>
  5. # [00:34] <pimpbot> changes: mjs: Record alternate Change Proposal for ISSUE-107. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Apr/0299.html> ** mjs: Record CfC to close ISSUE-81. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Apr/0298.html> ** mjs: Fix typo in ISSUE-82 description. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Apr/0297.html>
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  9. # [01:04] <pimpbot> changes: mjs: Add record of issues 111, 112, 113, 114, 115. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Apr/0300.html>
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  14. # [03:05] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9615] New: this is sexy <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Apr/0819.html> ** [Bug 9614] New: this is for testing <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Apr/0818.html>
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  20. # [07:04] <pimpbot> planet: Is html5 video ready for primetime yet? <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2734680/is-html5-video-ready-for-primetime-yet>
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  28. # [10:04] <pimpbot> planet: What are the frameworks for creating HTML5 <canvas> applications? <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2735199/what-are-the-frameworks-for-creating-html5-canvas-applications>
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  32. # [10:36] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9602] That autofocus attribute will wreak security havok. What an ignorant idea to bring more logic to HTML. I think I know a couple of ways to abuse it, since it actually is some sort of flow control, which only scripting languages should be capable of. I hope <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Apr/0820.html>
  33. # [10:36] <pimpbot> changes: mjs: Fix description of a particular Change Proposal. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Apr/0301.html>
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  44. # [12:37] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 9602] That autofocus attribute will wreak security havok. What an ignorant idea to bring more logic to HTML. I think I know a couple of ways to abuse it, since it actually is some sort of flow control, which only scripting languages should be capable of. I hope" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Apr/0821.html>
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  55. # [15:06] <pimpbot> planet: HTML5, Firefox playing duplicate videos after jQuery insert. <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2737162/html5-firefox-playing-duplicate-videos-after-jquery-insert>
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  60. # [16:06] <pimpbot> planet: Images not loading online but works when I try it offline (local), why is this? <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2737359/images-not-loading-online-but-works-when-i-try-it-offline-local-why-is-this> ** HTML5 Doctor at Web Directions @media <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/html5doctor/~3/p8PIkdJqfmk/>
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  82. # [18:02] <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
  83. # [18:02] <rubys> trackbot, start meeting
  84. # [18:02] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference
  85. # [18:02] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  86. # [18:02] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
  87. # [18:02] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be HTML
  88. # [18:02] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  89. # [18:02] <trackbot> Date: 29 April 2010
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  92. # [18:03] <rubys> Zakim, this will be HTML_WG
  93. # [18:03] <Zakim> ok, rubys, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
  94. # [18:03] <Julian> Zakim, who's on the phone?
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  96. # [18:03] <Zakim> +Michael_Cooper
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  98. # [18:03] <Zakim> On the phone I see [Microsoft], Julian, Michael_Cooper
  99. # [18:03] <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
  100. # [18:03] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  101. # [18:03] <janina> zakim, call janina
  102. # [18:03] <Zakim> +paulc; got it
  103. # [18:03] <Zakim> ok, janina; the call is being made
  104. # [18:04] <Zakim> +Janina
  105. # [18:04] * plh zakim, call plh-work
  106. # [18:04] <Eliot> zakim, [Microsoft.a] has me
  107. # [18:04] * Zakim ok, plh; the call is being made
  108. # [18:04] <Zakim> +Plh
  109. # [18:04] <Zakim> +Sam
  110. # [18:04] <Zakim> +Eliot; got it
  111. # [18:04] <janina> zakim, drop janina
  112. # [18:04] <paulc> Good morning everyone.
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  114. # [18:04] <Zakim> Janina is being disconnected
  115. # [18:04] <Zakim> -Janina
  116. # [18:04] <janina> zakim, code?
  117. # [18:04] <Zakim> +Bryan
  118. # [18:04] <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), janina
  119. # [18:05] <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
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  121. # [18:05] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.aa]
  122. # [18:05] <paulc> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2010AprJun/0005.html
  123. # [18:05] <pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2010-04-29: Action items, new issues, Task Force reports from Maciej Stachowiak on 2010-04-28 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from April to June 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  124. # [18:05] <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft.aa] has adrianba
  125. # [18:05] <Zakim> +adrianba; got it
  126. # [18:06] <paulc> I believe we are waiting for Maciej to arrive since he is chairing today.
  127. # [18:06] <Zakim> +Janina_Sajka
  128. # [18:06] <Zakim> -Janina_Sajka
  129. # [18:06] <pimpbot> planet: Get users number from iPhone using HTML5/jQuery <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2738243/get-users-number-from-iphone-using-html5-jquery>
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  131. # [18:07] <Zakim> +Janina_Sajka
  132. # [18:08] <Zakim> +mjs
  133. # [18:08] * Julian Maciej is probably trying to parse Steve's Flash statement .-)
  134. # [18:08] * plh zakim, who is on the phone?
  135. # [18:08] * Zakim sees on the phone: [Microsoft], Julian, Michael_Cooper, [Microsoft.a], Sam, Plh, Bryan, Cynthia_Shelly, [Microsoft.aa], Janina_Sajka, mjs
  136. # [18:08] * Zakim [Microsoft.aa] has adrianba
  137. # [18:08] * Zakim [Microsoft] has paulc
  138. # [18:08] * Zakim [Microsoft.a] has Eliot
  139. # [18:08] <Zakim> +Radhika_Roy
  140. # [18:08] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9619] New: HTML Device Spec - Could Use More Example Code <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Apr/0822.html>
  141. # [18:09] * adrianba will scribe
  142. # [18:09] <adrianba> Scribe: adrianba
  143. # [18:09] <adrianba> ScribeNick: adrianba
  144. # [18:09] <adrianba> TOPIC: 1. ACTION items due by Thu Apr 22
  145. # [18:09] <adrianba> ACTION-29?
  146. # [18:09] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-29
  147. # [18:09] <trackbot> ACTION-29 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to follow up on the idea of a free-software-compatible license for a note on HTML authoring -- due 2010-04-29 -- OPEN
  148. # [18:09] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/29
  149. # [18:09] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-29 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  150. # [18:10] <adrianba> plh: there are several proposals on the table at the moment
  151. # [18:10] <adrianba> ...don't expect PSIG to reach conclusion until end of May
  152. # [18:10] <adrianba> ...still moving
  153. # [18:10] <adrianba> ...next update end of may
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  155. # [18:10] <adrianba> ACTION-178?
  156. # [18:10] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-178
  157. # [18:10] <trackbot> ACTION-178 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to contact the various chairs/co-chairs to resolve the use of the text/html mime type -- due 2010-04-29 -- OPEN
  158. # [18:10] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/178
  159. # [18:10] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-178 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  160. # [18:10] <rubys> action-29 due may 27
  161. # [18:10] * trackbot attempting to change due date on ACTION-29.
  162. # [18:10] <trackbot> ACTION-29 Follow up on the idea of a free-software-compatible license for a note on HTML authoring due date now may 27
  163. # [18:11] <paulc> action-29: due May 31
  164. # [18:11] * trackbot attempting to add comment notes to ACTION-29.
  165. # [18:11] <trackbot> ACTION-29 Follow up on the idea of a free-software-compatible license for a note on HTML authoring notes added
  166. # [18:11] <adrianba> plh: not done yet - 2 more weeks please
  167. # [18:11] <rubys> action-29 due in 2 weeks
  168. # [18:11] * trackbot attempting to change due date on ACTION-29.
  169. # [18:11] <trackbot> ACTION-29 Follow up on the idea of a free-software-compatible license for a note on HTML authoring due date now in 2 weeks
  170. # [18:11] <Zakim> +Laura
  171. # [18:11] <adrianba> ACTION-179?
  172. # [18:11] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-179
  173. # [18:11] <trackbot> ACTION-179 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to set automatic copy of HG to www.w3.org -- due 2010-04-27 -- OPEN
  174. # [18:11] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/179
  175. # [18:11] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-179 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  176. # [18:11] <adrianba> plh: from testing task force - still ongoing - probably by end of may
  177. # [18:12] <adrianba> ...will have a separate server for testing that will support cross-origin testing
  178. # [18:12] <adrianba> ...deadline should be end of may
  179. # [18:12] * plh zakim, who is making noise?
  180. # [18:12] <Julian> Zakim, who's making noise?
  181. # [18:12] * Zakim plh, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Julian (97%), Plh (3%)
  182. # [18:12] <Zakim> Julian, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: mjs (90%), Sam (9%), Plh (36%)
  183. # [18:12] <adrianba> TOPIC: 2. Issues with deadlines due by April 29
  184. # [18:12] <adrianba> ISSUE-78?
  185. # [18:12] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-78
  186. # [18:12] <trackbot> ISSUE-78 -- Spec should use a term other than "URL" for Web Addresses -- RAISED
  187. # [18:12] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/78
  188. # [18:13] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-78 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  189. # [18:13] * Julian interesting, my phone is muted...
  190. # [18:13] <adrianba> mjs: passed deadline, no one volunteered, closed without prejudice
  191. # [18:13] <adrianba> ISSUE-82?
  192. # [18:13] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-82
  193. # [18:13] <trackbot> ISSUE-82 -- Suggested replacement for head/@profile does not provide for disambiguation -- OPEN
  194. # [18:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/82
  195. # [18:13] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-82 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  196. # [18:13] <adrianba> mjs: call for consensus to close but still minor objection to one detail of wording
  197. # [18:13] <plh> close ISSUE-78
  198. # [18:13] * trackbot attempting to close ISSUE-78.
  199. # [18:13] <trackbot> ISSUE-78 Spec should use a term other than "URL" for Web Addresses closed
  200. # [18:13] <adrianba> ...julian suggested fix and jonas agreed
  201. # [18:14] <adrianba> ...hope to get editor to make change and close
  202. # [18:14] <adrianba> ISSUE-81?
  203. # [18:14] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-81
  204. # [18:14] <trackbot> ISSUE-81 -- Offline Web Applications section should use the term "representation" instead of "resource" -- OPEN
  205. # [18:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/81
  206. # [18:14] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-81 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  207. # [18:14] <adrianba> mjs: cfc closed yesterday - to close without prejudice
  208. # [18:14] <paulc> plh: We normally add something to the issue when we "close without prejudice".
  209. # [18:14] <adrianba> ...some people wanted more changes than change proposal that exists - chairs will look to a mechanism such as a survey to close it
  210. # [18:15] <plh> ISSUE-78: closed without prejudice due to lack of change proposals
  211. # [18:15] * trackbot attempting to add a note to ISSUE-78.
  212. # [18:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-78 Spec should use a term other than "URL" for Web Addresses notes added
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  214. # [18:15] <rubys> issue-78: closed without prejudice
  215. # [18:15] * trackbot attempting to add a note to ISSUE-78.
  216. # [18:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-78 Spec should use a term other than "URL" for Web Addresses notes added
  217. # [18:15] <adrianba> TOPIC: Items that close next week (by Thu May 6)
  218. # [18:15] * paulc slaps plh around a bit with a large fishbot
  219. # [18:15] <adrianba> mjs: calls for counter proposal on 6 issues
  220. # [18:15] <adrianba> ...received for each
  221. # [18:15] <adrianba> ISSUE-90?
  222. # [18:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-90
  223. # [18:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-90 -- Tighten the focus and allowable content in the figure element -- OPEN
  224. # [18:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/90
  225. # [18:15] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-90 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  226. # [18:16] * plh didn't have lunch yet
  227. # [18:16] <adrianba> ...original proposal to remove, counter proposal to keep
  228. # [18:16] <adrianba> ISSUE-91?
  229. # [18:16] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-91
  230. # [18:16] <trackbot> ISSUE-91 -- Re-focus and tighten definition of the aside element -- OPEN
  231. # [18:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/91
  232. # [18:16] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-91 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  233. # [18:16] <adrianba> mjs: similar to issue 90 but with aside element
  234. # [18:16] <adrianba> ISSUE-93?
  235. # [18:16] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-93
  236. # [18:16] <trackbot> ISSUE-93 -- Delete Details Element -- OPEN
  237. # [18:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/93
  238. # [18:16] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-93 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  239. # [18:16] <adrianba> mjs: same kind of thing but for details
  240. # [18:16] <adrianba> ISSUE-95?
  241. # [18:16] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-95
  242. # [18:16] <trackbot> ISSUE-95 -- Remove/Discard the Hidden Attribute -- OPEN
  243. # [18:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/95
  244. # [18:16] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-95 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  245. # [18:17] <adrianba> mjs: about the hidden attribute but same idea
  246. # [18:17] <adrianba> ISSUE-96?
  247. # [18:17] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-96
  248. # [18:17] <trackbot> ISSUE-96 -- Remove/Discard the Progress Element -- OPEN
  249. # [18:17] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/96
  250. # [18:17] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-96 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  251. # [18:17] <adrianba> mjs: very similar situation for progress element
  252. # [18:17] <adrianba> ISSUE-97?
  253. # [18:17] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-97
  254. # [18:17] <trackbot> ISSUE-97 -- Remove/Discard the Meter Element -- OPEN
  255. # [18:17] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/97
  256. # [18:17] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-97 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  257. # [18:17] <adrianba> mjs: same deal
  258. # [18:17] <adrianba> janina: a11y TF just voted to support counter proposals to keep these elements
  259. # [18:18] <adrianba> mjs: thanks
  260. # [18:18] <adrianba> ISSUE-106?
  261. # [18:18] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-106
  262. # [18:18] <trackbot> ISSUE-106 -- Return the concept of Obsolete but conforming back to using obsolete and deprecated -- RAISED
  263. # [18:18] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/106
  264. # [18:18] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-106 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  265. # [18:18] <adrianba> mjs: call for proposals ends may 6 - no proposal received yet
  266. # [18:19] <adrianba> ...anyone interested should look into it (shelley has volunteered)
  267. # [18:19] <adrianba> TOPIC: New Issues This Week
  268. # [18:19] <adrianba> mjs: 5 new issues
  269. # [18:19] <adrianba> ISSUE-111?
  270. # [18:19] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-111
  271. # [18:19] <trackbot> ISSUE-111 -- What does input.@required mean for @type = checkbox? -- RAISED
  272. # [18:19] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/111
  273. # [18:19] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-111 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  274. # [18:20] <adrianba> ISSUE-112?
  275. # [18:20] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-112
  276. # [18:20] <trackbot> ISSUE-112 -- negative keywords-not meta tags -- RAISED
  277. # [18:20] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/112
  278. # [18:20] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-112 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  279. # [18:21] <adrianba> ISSUE-113?
  280. # [18:21] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-113
  281. # [18:21] <trackbot> ISSUE-113 -- add a preventable forced-fragment method -- RAISED
  282. # [18:21] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/113
  283. # [18:21] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-113 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  284. # [18:21] * plh zakim, who is on the phone?
  285. # [18:21] * Zakim sees on the phone: [Microsoft], Julian, Michael_Cooper, [Microsoft.a], Sam, Plh, Bryan, Cynthia_Shelly, [Microsoft.aa], Janina_Sajka, mjs, Radhika_Roy, Laura
  286. # [18:21] * Zakim [Microsoft.aa] has adrianba
  287. # [18:21] * Zakim [Microsoft] has paulc
  288. # [18:21] * Zakim [Microsoft.a] has Eliot
  289. # [18:23] <Zakim> -mjs
  290. # [18:23] <plh> zakim, drop mjs
  291. # [18:23] <Zakim> sorry, plh, I do not see a party named 'mjs'
  292. # [18:23] <Zakim> +mjs
  293. # [18:23] <adrianba> mjs: ... <disconnected>
  294. # [18:23] <adrianba> mjs: is back :)
  295. # [18:23] <adrianba> ISSUE-114?
  296. # [18:23] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-114
  297. # [18:23] <trackbot> ISSUE-114 -- link tag: rel: associate pages about the same organization across many sites for searches without a canonical page and despite a confusingly indistinct name -- RAISED
  298. # [18:23] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/114
  299. # [18:23] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-114 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  300. # [18:24] * Julian wonders why we consider rel-canonical-* if even rel-canonical isn't registered
  301. # [18:24] <adrianba> ISSUE-115?
  302. # [18:24] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-115
  303. # [18:24] <trackbot> ISSUE-115 -- link tag: rel: associate pages about the same person across many sites for searches without a canonical page and despite a confusingly indistinct name -- RAISED
  304. # [18:24] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/115
  305. # [18:24] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-115 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  306. # [18:25] <adrianba> mjs: anyone interested in these should study the issue tracker page
  307. # [18:25] <adrianba> TOPIC: New Calls for Proposals/Counter Proposals/Consensus this Week
  308. # [18:25] <adrianba> ISSUE-109?
  309. # [18:25] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-109
  310. # [18:25] <trackbot> ISSUE-109 -- change ARIA section title and add extra text about use of ARIA -- RAISED
  311. # [18:25] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/109
  312. # [18:25] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-109 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  313. # [18:26] <adrianba> mjs: potentially related to a11y but not something that TF going to review
  314. # [18:26] <adrianba> ...so went ahead and issued call for proposals - one volunteer already
  315. # [18:26] <adrianba> ...remaining are the five new issues above
  316. # [18:26] <adrianba> ...if interested please look at issues and consider writing change proposal
  317. # [18:26] <adrianba> ...calls close in 1 month
  318. # [18:26] <adrianba> TOPIC: WG Decision Policy update
  319. # [18:27] <adrianba> mjs: we expect to still see revisions by may 15
  320. # [18:27] <adrianba> ...most important change is about clear policy to enter last call
  321. # [18:27] <adrianba> ...drafts are advancing and some may be ready to go to LC soon (many have few issues)
  322. # [18:27] <adrianba> ...need this to be well-defined
  323. # [18:27] <adrianba> ...anyone interested in this look at the bug
  324. # [18:28] <adrianba> ...anyone have any questions?
  325. # [18:28] <rubys> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9315
  326. # [18:28] <pimpbot> 9315: mjs@apple.com, P2, NEW, Retain issue markers for issues that have timed out even during Last Call
  327. # [18:28] <paulc> entering LC bug: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9554
  328. # [18:28] <pimpbot> 9554: mjs@apple.com, P2, NEW, Define procedure for entering Last Call
  329. # [18:28] <adrianba> TOPIC: Task Force Reports
  330. # [18:28] <adrianba> mjs: a11y TF first
  331. # [18:29] <adrianba> mjs: TF facilitators and chairs met earlier in the week to discuss timeline
  332. # [18:29] <adrianba> ISSUE-30?
  333. # [18:29] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-30
  334. # [18:29] <trackbot> ISSUE-30 -- Should HTML 5 include a longdesc attribute for images -- OPEN
  335. # [18:29] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/30
  336. # [18:29] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-30 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  337. # [18:29] <adrianba> ISSUE-66?
  338. # [18:29] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-66
  339. # [18:29] <trackbot> ISSUE-66 -- image analysis heuristics -- OPEN
  340. # [18:29] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/66
  341. # [18:29] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-66 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  342. # [18:29] <adrianba> ISSUE-80?
  343. # [18:29] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-80
  344. # [18:29] <trackbot> ISSUE-80 -- document conformance and device dependent display of title attribute content -- OPEN
  345. # [18:29] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/80
  346. # [18:29] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-80 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  347. # [18:30] <adrianba> mjs: received TF recommendation for these issues
  348. # [18:30] <adrianba> ...chairs will be trying to drive to resolution
  349. # [18:30] <adrianba> ...also received recommendation on 6 issues earlier - about adding/removing semantic elements
  350. # [18:30] <adrianba> ISSUE-31?
  351. # [18:30] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-31
  352. # [18:30] <trackbot> ISSUE-31 -- What to do when a reasonable text equivalent is unknown/unavailable? -- OPEN
  353. # [18:30] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/31
  354. # [18:30] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-31 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  355. # [18:30] <adrianba> mjs: proposal discussed in TF - still some discussion
  356. # [18:31] <adrianba> ...expecting recommendation by may 7 at latest
  357. # [18:31] <adrianba> janina: TF voted today - not objecting to being present - don't need to hold up in TF
  358. # [18:31] <adrianba> ...discussion did cover crowd sourcing and if that was there then there probably would be an objection
  359. # [18:32] <adrianba> mjs: may 7 sounds easy then
  360. # [18:32] <adrianba> cyns: objection was just to having in html stack
  361. # [18:32] <adrianba> ISSUE-74?
  362. # [18:32] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-74
  363. # [18:32] <trackbot> ISSUE-74 -- How accessibility works for <canvas> is unclear. -- OPEN
  364. # [18:32] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/74
  365. # [18:32] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-74 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  366. # [18:32] <adrianba> ISSUE-105?
  367. # [18:32] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-105
  368. # [18:32] <trackbot> ISSUE-105 -- allow image maps on the canvas element -- OPEN
  369. # [18:32] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/105
  370. # [18:32] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-105 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  371. # [18:32] <adrianba> mjs: expected deadline after today
  372. # [18:33] <adrianba> janina: personally think may 20 or 27 but we didnt get to this
  373. # [18:33] <adrianba> mjs: okay, should know in a week
  374. # [18:33] <adrianba> ISSUE-85?
  375. # [18:33] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-85
  376. # [18:33] <trackbot> ISSUE-85 -- ARIA roles added to the a element should be conforming in HTML5 -- OPEN
  377. # [18:33] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/85
  378. # [18:33] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-85 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  379. # [18:33] <adrianba> mjs: expected to know deadline by may 7 (that not the deadline - date for a date)
  380. # [18:33] <adrianba> janina: on track
  381. # [18:33] <adrianba> ISSUE-32?
  382. # [18:33] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-32
  383. # [18:33] <trackbot> ISSUE-32 -- how to provide a summary of a table, e.g. for unsighted navigation? -- OPEN
  384. # [18:33] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/32
  385. # [18:33] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-32 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  386. # [18:34] <adrianba> mjs: deadline by may 7 also
  387. # [18:34] <adrianba> ...could be a short term change proposal that would update spec to something liveable for TF with potentially longer term work item
  388. # [18:35] <adrianba> janina: discussed on TF today - expect to vote next week to restore summary as HTML4 in short term with work on enhancements in longer term
  389. # [18:35] <adrianba> cyns: little concerned about how this will be received in wider working group - can you help pave the way to make this go more smoothly?
  390. # [18:35] <Zakim> -mjs
  391. # [18:36] <adrianba> mjs: we can try to guide the discussion in a constructive direction
  392. # [18:36] <Zakim> +mjs
  393. # [18:37] <adrianba> paulc: point is well made and co-chairs need to figure out how to present this to the WG
  394. # [18:37] <adrianba> ...co-chairs should take question under advisement and figure this out
  395. # [18:37] <adrianba> cyns: hence the question
  396. # [18:37] <adrianba> janina: sounds good
  397. # [18:38] <adrianba> ISSUE-9?
  398. # [18:38] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-9
  399. # [18:38] <trackbot> ISSUE-9 -- how accessibility works for <video> is unclear -- OPEN
  400. # [18:38] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/9
  401. # [18:38] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-9 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  402. # [18:38] <adrianba> mjs: last time we discussed we expected a deadline established by may 7
  403. # [18:38] <adrianba> ...believe yesterday media sub-group met
  404. # [18:39] <adrianba> janina: unfortunate news is doubt deadline by may 7
  405. # [18:39] <adrianba> ...need better requirements statement to make sure all issues covered
  406. # [18:39] <adrianba> ...action items put together and urgency understood
  407. # [18:39] <adrianba> ...but will probably take a couple of weeks
  408. # [18:39] <adrianba> ...may 7 will need to slip but not sure by how much yet
  409. # [18:39] <adrianba> ...sub-group to meet weekly to get this done
  410. # [18:40] <adrianba> ...nervous about may 14 but comfortable with may 21
  411. # [18:40] <adrianba> mjs: would expect requirements doc by may 21?
  412. # [18:40] <adrianba> janina: yes, and deadline
  413. # [18:40] <adrianba> mjs: that would be extremely valuable
  414. # [18:40] <adrianba> janina: can't just talk engineering without knowing problems to be solved
  415. # [18:40] <adrianba> mjs: draft reqs and deadline for input from tf by may 21
  416. # [18:40] <adrianba> ISSUE-109?
  417. # [18:40] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-109
  418. # [18:40] <trackbot> ISSUE-109 -- change ARIA section title and add extra text about use of ARIA -- RAISED
  419. # [18:40] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/109
  420. # [18:40] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-109 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  421. # [18:41] <adrianba> mjs: TF declining to take up - is there any update?
  422. # [18:41] <adrianba> janina: didn't bring it up on agenda - my sense is that this is in editorial class we'd come to later
  423. # [18:41] <adrianba> mjs: also mentioned there may be additional item about keyword equivalence for drag/drop
  424. # [18:42] <adrianba> ...this may come as reopening but that was closed as NEEDSINFO
  425. # [18:42] <adrianba> ...mention for information - update?
  426. # [18:42] <adrianba> janina: no update as of today
  427. # [18:42] <adrianba> mjs: any other A11Y TF items?
  428. # [18:42] <adrianba> janina: that's it - mentioned earlier to support zero change proposals on elements
  429. # [18:43] <adrianba> mjs: this is interesting new information
  430. # [18:43] <adrianba> mjs: Testing Task Force
  431. # [18:43] <krisk> Process getting setup to move test from HG to the w3 site (http://www.w3.org/html/tests)
  432. # [18:43] <Zakim> -Laura
  433. # [18:43] <krisk> The net effect is that we will have approved HTML5 tests on the w3 site
  434. # [18:43] <adrianba> krisk: process being set up to move from mercurial to w3 site
  435. # [18:43] <adrianba> ...this will mean having approved tests
  436. # [18:43] <adrianba> ...still looking for more participation
  437. # [18:44] <adrianba> ...TF meeting schedule being extended - expecting to keep the same schedule
  438. # [18:44] <adrianba> ...if people want to attend but if timing is difficult then now would be a good time to say
  439. # [18:44] <adrianba> TOPIC: Other Business
  440. # [18:44] <adrianba> paulc: we have received confirmation that our pref for meeting at TPAC was accepted
  441. # [18:45] <adrianba> ...registration will start in early june
  442. # [18:45] <adrianba> ...have posted to list on this
  443. # [18:45] <adrianba> TOPIC: Scribe for next meeting
  444. # [18:45] <adrianba> mjs: i will volunteer
  445. # [18:45] <adrianba> TOPIC: Adjournment
  446. # [18:45] <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
  447. # [18:45] <adrianba> mjs: thanks everyone for joining the call
  448. # [18:45] <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
  449. # [18:45] <Zakim> -Radhika_Roy
  450. # [18:45] <Zakim> -Julian
  451. # [18:45] <Zakim> -mjs
  452. # [18:45] <Zakim> -Janina_Sajka
  453. # [18:45] <Zakim> -Sam
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  464. # [18:47] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/04/29-html-wg-minutes.html paulc
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  466. # [18:47] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, adrianba
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  469. # [18:48] <adrianba> Chair: mjs
  470. # [18:48] <adrianba> rrsagent, make minutes
  471. # [18:48] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/04/29-html-wg-minutes.html adrianba
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