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  20. # [05:55] <pimpbot> planet: Web Sockets Server based on .NET [closed] <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2821686/web-sockets-server-based-on-net>
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  27. # [09:02] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9719] ASsad asdawewfvdfqwe we qeased awe wdq <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010May/0323.html>
  28. # [10:02] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9725] New: value attribute, if specified, must have a value that contains no U+000A LINE FEED (LF) or U+000D CARRIAGE RETURN (CR) characters. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010May/0325.html> ** [Bug 9724] New: value attribute, if specified, must have a value that contains no U+000A LINE FEED (LF) or U+000D CARRIAGE RETURN (CR) characters. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010May/032
  29. # [10:32] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9724] value attribute, if specified, must have a value that contains no U+000A LINE FEED (LF) or U+000D CARRIAGE RETURN (CR) characters. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010May/0327.html> ** [Bug 9725] value attribute, if specified, must have a value that contains no U+000A LINE FEED (LF) or U+000D CARRIAGE RETURN (CR) characters. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010May/0326.html>
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  32. # [10:56] <pimpbot> planet: 2010-05-12 Trunk builds <http://www.squarefree.com/burningedge/2010/05/12/2010-05-12-trunk-builds/>
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  34. # [11:56] <pimpbot> planet: Seeking through a streamed MP3 file with HTML5 <audio> tag <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2798931/seeking-through-a-streamed-mp3-file-with-html5-audio-tag> ** How do I get CGI.pm to output HTML5 instead of XHTML 1.0? <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2825382/how-do-i-get-cgi-pm-to-output-html5-instead-of-xhtml-1-0>
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  42. # [12:32] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9723] HTML is in capitals? I believe that's incorrect or at least unusual standards since XHTML 1.0 <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010May/0328.html>
  43. # [12:57] <pimpbot> planet: Notes on HTML5 Parser History <http://annevankesteren.nl/2010/05/html5-parser-history> ** Anne van Kesteren: Notes on HTML5 Parser History <http://annevankesteren.nl/2010/05/html5-parser-history>
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  55. # [15:03] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9726] Spec the features argument <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010May/0330.html> ** [Bug 9726] New: Spec the features argumen <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010May/0329.html>
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  61. # [16:58] <pimpbot> planet: How can I use the HTML5 canvas element in IE? <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1332501/how-can-i-use-the-html5-canvas-element-in-ie>
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  65. # [17:47] <MikeSmith> bug 8750?
  66. # [17:47] <pimpbot> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8750 gez.lemon@gmail.com, P2, RESOLVED WORKSFORME, User able to override the hidden attribute in incorrectly rendered pages
  67. # [17:48] <MikeSmith> bug 8144
  68. # [17:48] <pimpbot> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8144 contributor@whatwg.org, P3, RESOLVED NEEDSINFO, Is a 'visibility: hidden' element being rendered?
  69. # [17:49] <MikeSmith> bug 8554
  70. # [17:49] <pimpbot> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8554 mjs@apple.com, P2, CLOSED FIXED, <progress> element should be labelable with a label
  71. # [17:52] <MikeSmith> bug 8622
  72. # [17:52] <pimpbot> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8622 gez.lemon@gmail.com, P2, RESOLVED NEEDSINFO, Activation behaviour and pre-click activation
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  74. # [17:58] <pimpbot> planet: Why WHATWG disallows nested forms in HTML 4 and HTML5 ? <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2827916/why-whatwg-disallows-nested-forms-in-html-4-and-html5>
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  76. # [18:01] <MikeSmith> bug 8754
  77. # [18:01] <pimpbot> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8754 gez.lemon@gmail.com, P2, RESOLVED WONTFIX, Overflow when text is resized
  78. # [18:01] <MikeSmith> bug 8752
  79. # [18:01] <pimpbot> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8752 gez.lemon@gmail.com, P2, RESOLVED NEEDSINFO, Allow user to manage focus changes
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  81. # [18:02] <rubys> trackbot, start meeting
  82. # [18:02] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference
  83. # [18:02] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  84. # [18:02] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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  86. # [18:02] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be HTML
  87. # [18:02] <Zakim> trackbot, WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM is already associated with an irc channel; use 'move HTML to here' if you mean to reassociate the channel
  88. # [18:02] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  89. # [18:02] <trackbot> Date: 13 May 2010
  90. # [18:02] <rubys> zakim, this will be HTML_WG
  91. # [18:02] <Zakim> ok, rubys; I see HTML_WG()12:00PM scheduled to start now
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  96. # [18:03] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has now started
  97. # [18:03] <Zakim> + +1.510.495.aaaa
  98. # [18:03] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  99. # [18:04] <Zakim> +Radhika_Roy
  100. # [18:04] <Zakim> +Michael_Cooper
  101. # [18:04] <Zakim> +Matt
  102. # [18:04] <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft] has adrianba, krisk
  103. # [18:04] <Zakim> +adrianba, krisk; got it
  104. # [18:04] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9727] New: We told people for years that I and B are a bad idea as they are only visual but hint at making things more prominent. Can we just let them die? <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010May/0331.html>
  105. # [18:04] <Zakim> +Julian_Reschke
  106. # [18:04] <rob> zakim, +1.510.495.aaaa is me
  107. # [18:04] <Zakim> +rob; got it
  108. # [18:04] <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike
  109. # [18:04] <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
  110. # [18:04] <Zakim> +Mike
  111. # [18:04] <plh-lunch> zakim, passcode?
  112. # [18:04] <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), plh-lunch
  113. # [18:04] <Julian> Zakim, Julian_Reschke is me
  114. # [18:05] <Zakim> +Sam
  115. # [18:05] <Zakim> +Julian; got it
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  120. # [18:05] <Eliot> zakim, [Microsoft.a] has me
  121. # [18:06] <Zakim> +Eliot; got it
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  124. # [18:06] * plh-lunch zakim, mute me
  125. # [18:06] * Zakim sorry, plh-lunch, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
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  127. # [18:07] * plh zakim, mute me
  128. # [18:07] * Zakim sorry, plh, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
  129. # [18:07] * plh zakim, who is on the phone?
  130. # [18:07] * Zakim sees on the phone: rob, [Microsoft], Radhika_Roy, Michael_Cooper, Matt, Julian, Mike, Sam, Janina_Sajka, [IPcaller], [Microsoft.a], Laura_Carlson, +1.617.417.aabb
  131. # [18:07] * Zakim [Microsoft] has adrianba, krisk
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  133. # [18:07] <plh> zakim, aabb is me
  134. # [18:07] <Zakim> +plh; got it
  135. # [18:07] * plh zakim, mute me
  136. # [18:07] * Zakim plh should now be muted
  137. # [18:08] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.aa]
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  139. # [18:09] * plh zakim, who is on the phone?
  140. # [18:09] * Zakim sees on the phone: rob, [Microsoft], Radhika_Roy, Michael_Cooper, Matt, Julian, Mike, Sam, Janina_Sajka, [IPcaller], [Microsoft.a], Laura_Carlson, plh (muted), [Microsoft.aa]
  141. # [18:09] * Zakim [Microsoft] has adrianba, krisk
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  143. # [18:09] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.aa]
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  146. # [18:11] <oedipus> regrets+ Gregory_Rosmaita
  147. # [18:11] <Mark> Mark is on call
  148. # [18:12] <Julian> issue-27?
  149. # [18:12] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-27
  150. # [18:12] <trackbot> ISSUE-27 -- @rel value ownership, registry consideration -- OPEN
  151. # [18:12] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/27
  152. # [18:12] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-27 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  153. # [18:13] * plh zakim, unmute me
  154. # [18:13] * Zakim plh should no longer be muted
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  156. # [18:14] <rubys> scribe: rubys
  157. # [18:14] <rubys> chair: mike
  158. # [18:14] <MikeSmith> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2010AprJun/0009.html
  159. # [18:14] <pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2010-05-13: Action items, surveys, Task Force reports from Maciej Stachowiak on 2010-05-12 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from April to June 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  160. # [18:14] <rubys> topic: 1. ACTION items due by Thu May 13
  161. # [18:14] <MikeSmith> Topic: action items due by Thursday May 13
  162. # [18:14] <MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/agenda
  163. # [18:14] <pimpbot> Title: Input for Agenda Planning for the HTML Weekly - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  164. # [18:15] <rubys> action-178?
  165. # [18:15] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-178
  166. # [18:15] <trackbot> ACTION-178 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to contact the various chairs/co-chairs to resolve the use of the text/html mime type -- due 2010-04-29 -- OPEN
  167. # [18:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/178
  168. # [18:15] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-178 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  169. # [18:15] <MikeSmith> action-178 due in two weeks
  170. # [18:15] * trackbot attempting to change due date on ACTION-178.
  171. # [18:15] <trackbot> ACTION-178 Contact the various chairs/co-chairs to resolve the use of the text/html mime type due date now in two weeks
  172. # [18:15] <rubys> plh: it is not clear to me that we have an issue, but I want to make sure that we don't have an issue
  173. # [18:16] <MikeSmith> action-178 due 2010-05-27
  174. # [18:16] * trackbot attempting to change due date on ACTION-178.
  175. # [18:16] <trackbot> ACTION-178 Contact the various chairs/co-chairs to resolve the use of the text/html mime type due date now 2010-05-27
  176. # [18:16] <rubys> topic: 2. Issues with deadlines due by May 13
  177. # [18:16] <MikeSmith> http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html
  178. # [18:16] <pimpbot> Title: Change Proposal Status (at dev.w3.org)
  179. # [18:17] <rubys> mike: none
  180. # [18:17] <rubys> mike: I do see some overdue actions... skipping for now
  181. # [18:17] <rubys> topic: 3. Items that close next week (by Thu May 20)
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  183. # [18:18] <MikeSmith> ISSUE-89 idioms - Call for Counter-Proposals ends
  184. # [18:18] <MikeSmith> ISSUE-92 cleanuptable - Call for Counter-Proposals ends
  185. # [18:18] <MikeSmith> ISSUE-103 srcdoc-xml-escaping - Call for Counter-Proposals ends
  186. # [18:18] <MikeSmith> ISSUE-107 plugin-fallback-example - Call for Counter-Proposals ends
  187. # [18:18] <Dzung_Tran> Present+ Dzung_Tran
  188. # [18:18] <MikeSmith> issue-89?
  189. # [18:18] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-89
  190. # [18:18] <trackbot> ISSUE-89 -- Remove Section 4.12 Common Idioms without dedicated Elements -- OPEN
  191. # [18:18] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/89
  192. # [18:18] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-89 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  193. # [18:19] <Julian> I don't see any counter proposals
  194. # [18:19] <MikeSmith> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Apr/1069.html
  195. # [18:19] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-89 idioms - Chairs Solicit Alternate Proposals or Counter-Proposals from Maciej Stachowiak on 2010-04-21 (public-html@w3.org from April 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  196. # [18:19] <Julian> according to http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html
  197. # [18:19] <pimpbot> Title: Change Proposal Status (at dev.w3.org)
  198. # [18:20] * dsinger zakim, who is on the phone?
  199. # [18:20] * Zakim sees on the phone: rob, [Microsoft], Radhika_Roy, Michael_Cooper, Matt, Julian, Mike, Sam, Janina_Sajka, [IPcaller], [Microsoft.a], Laura_Carlson, plh
  200. # [18:20] * Zakim [Microsoft] has adrianba, krisk
  201. # [18:20] * Zakim [Microsoft.a] has Eliot
  202. # [18:20] <rubys> mike: issue 89 call for counter proposals closes next week, if no counter proposals are received, the chairs will make a decision
  203. # [18:20] <MikeSmith> ISSUE-92
  204. # [18:21] <MikeSmith> ISSUE-92?
  205. # [18:21] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-92
  206. # [18:21] <trackbot> ISSUE-92 -- Re-write the Table section to remove extraneous material, and provide cleaner description -- OPEN
  207. # [18:21] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/92
  208. # [18:21] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-92 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  209. # [18:21] <MikeSmith> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Apr/1072.html
  210. # [18:21] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-92 cleanuptable - Chairs Solicit Alternate Proposals or Counter-Proposals from Maciej Stachowiak on 2010-04-21 (public-html@w3.org from April 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  211. # [18:21] <rubys> issue-92: same situation for this issue
  212. # [18:21] * trackbot attempting to add a note to ISSUE-92.
  213. # [18:21] <trackbot> ISSUE-92 Re-write the Table section to remove extraneous material, and provide cleaner description notes added
  214. # [18:21] * rubys doesn't see any counter proposals
  215. # [18:22] <MikeSmith> ISSUE-103?
  216. # [18:22] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-103
  217. # [18:22] <trackbot> ISSUE-103 -- XML escaping in iframe/@srcdoc -- OPEN
  218. # [18:22] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/103
  219. # [18:22] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-103 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  220. # [18:23] * rubys don't see any counter proposals on this one either
  221. # [18:23] <rubys> julian: just waiting on it to proceed through the process
  222. # [18:23] <rubys> mike: if anybody is interested in making counter proposals, you have one week left
  223. # [18:23] <MikeSmith> ISSUE-107?
  224. # [18:23] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-107
  225. # [18:23] <trackbot> ISSUE-107 -- Politics in fallback example for plugin usage -- OPEN
  226. # [18:23] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/107
  227. # [18:23] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-107 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  228. # [18:24] <MikeSmith> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Apr/1071.html
  229. # [18:24] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-107 plugin-fallback-example - Chairs Solicit Alternate Proposals or Counter-Proposals from Maciej Stachowiak on 2010-04-21 (public-html@w3.org from April 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  230. # [18:24] <rubys> mike: I see some discussion, but no counter proposals
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  232. # [18:25] <rubys> mike: ... you've got a week
  233. # [18:25] <rubys> topic: 5. New Calls for Proposals/Counter Proposals/Consensus this Week
  234. # [18:25] <rubys> topic: 4. New Issues This Week:
  235. # [18:26] <rubys> mike: no new issues
  236. # [18:26] <rubys> mike: no new calls for proposals or counter proposals
  237. # [18:26] * tlr is now known as tlr-bbl
  238. # [18:26] <rubys> topic: 6. WG Decision Policy update
  239. # [18:26] <MikeSmith> http://dev.w3.org/html5/decision-policy/decision-policy.html
  240. # [18:27] <pimpbot> Title: HTML Working Group Decision Policy (at dev.w3.org)
  241. # [18:27] <MikeSmith> -> http://dev.w3.org/html5/decision-policy/decision-policy-v2.html Editor's draft of decision-policy doc
  242. # [18:27] <pimpbot> Title: HTML Working Group Decision Policy (at dev.w3.org)
  243. # [18:27] <rubys> sam: I believe that everything is on track for an update to be done by the 15th
  244. # [18:28] * rubys notes that we (temporarily) skipped 7. Surveys
  245. # [18:28] <rubys> topic: 8. Task Force Reports
  246. # [18:29] * MikeSmith realizes he skipped item 7, will wind back to after the TF reports
  247. # [18:29] <rubys> janina: everything is on track. We expect to be delivering requirements by may 27th.
  248. # [18:29] <Zakim> -plh
  249. # [18:29] * plh zakim, call plh-mobile
  250. # [18:29] * Zakim ok, plh; the call is being made
  251. # [18:29] <Zakim> +Plh
  252. # [18:29] <rubys> janina: we expect to providing deadlines for all items by may 27th
  253. # [18:30] * plh zakim, mute me
  254. # [18:30] * Zakim Plh should now be muted
  255. # [18:30] <rubys> janina: there is no longer an objection to proceeding on issue-85
  256. # [18:30] <rubys> janina: we want something blocking last call, and cynthia has already reported bugs
  257. # [18:31] <rubys> janina: canvas is being held up awaiting input from developers, in particular from Apple. If feedback is not received, RichardS plans to proceed anyway.
  258. # [18:32] <rubys> janina: usemap is to be written up by Chaals, if we don't hear from Chaals we will proceed anyway.
  259. # [18:32] <rubys> mike: anything else?
  260. # [18:33] <rubys> janina: four separate teleconferences spun out, things are proceeding well
  261. # [18:33] <rubys> topic: 7. Surveys
  262. # [18:33] <MikeSmith> ISSUE-66 image-analysis - http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/issue-66-objection-poll/
  263. # [18:33] <MikeSmith> ISSUE-90 figure - http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/issue-90-objection-poll/
  264. # [18:33] <MikeSmith> ISSUE-91 aside - http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/issue-91-objection-poll/
  265. # [18:33] <MikeSmith> ISSUE-93 details - http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/issue-93-objection-poll/
  266. # [18:33] <MikeSmith> ISSUE-95 hidden - http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/issue-95-objection-poll/
  267. # [18:33] <MikeSmith> ISSUE-96 progress - http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/issue-96-objection-poll/
  268. # [18:33] <MikeSmith> ISSUE-97 meter - http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/issue-97-objection-poll/
  269. # [18:34] <rubys> mike: we have separate surveys for issues 90, 91, 93, 95, 96, 97.
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  271. # [18:34] <rubys> mike: you are not obligated to comment; please follow the directions from the chairs when making comments
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  273. # [18:35] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010May/0056.html
  274. # [18:35] <pimpbot> Title: Prep for Heartbeat Drafts from Sam Ruby on 2010-05-05 (public-html@w3.org from May 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  275. # [18:35] <MikeSmith> q?
  276. # [18:35] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  277. # [18:37] * rubys who is talking?
  278. # [18:38] <rubys> Rob Ennals: we are trying to determine what the objections are
  279. # [18:39] * Julian this was Luara, right?
  280. # [18:39] * Julian this was Laura,, right?
  281. # [18:40] <Laura> No it was Cynthia.
  282. # [18:40] <rubys> cynthia: if the change proposals capture the objection, there is no need to state an objection, right?
  283. # [18:40] * Julian I see :-)
  284. # [18:40] <rubys> mike: this process is not different from what was done with microdata
  285. # [18:41] <rubys> mike: the decision policy empowers the chairs to weigh the weight of the objections and to make a decision
  286. # [18:41] <rubys> cynthia: the policy is confusing
  287. # [18:42] <rubys> robengles: the purpose of the survey is not to determine consensus
  288. # [18:42] <rubys> cynthia: when do we do the other things
  289. # [18:43] <rubys> sam: we are tying to avoid votes
  290. # [18:43] <MikeSmith> s/robengles/rob_ennals/
  291. # [18:44] <rubys> cynthia: I am going to simply fill in the form with which one I agree with and which ones I disagree with
  292. # [18:45] <rubys> sam: I discourage Cynthia from stating which ones she agrees with
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  294. # [18:45] <rubys> rob ennals: we want new arguments
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  296. # [18:45] <MikeSmith> q?
  297. # [18:45] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  298. # [18:45] <plh> q
  299. # [18:45] <plh> q+
  300. # [18:45] * Zakim sees plh on the speaker queue
  301. # [18:45] <rubys> mike: the surveys are open (you have to authenticate)
  302. # [18:45] <rubys> topic: testing task force
  303. # [18:46] <krisk> We have one approved test - http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html/raw-file/tip/tests/approved/attributes/anchor_href.htm
  304. # [18:46] <pimpbot> Title: HTMLAnchorElement href Attribute Test (at dvcs.w3.org)
  305. # [18:46] * MikeSmith notes that plh is on the queue, will get to it
  306. # [18:46] <krisk> The test is a good example for tests that can run synchronously
  307. # [18:46] <krisk> The group will be creating some video tests
  308. # [18:46] <MikeSmith> q?
  309. # [18:46] * Zakim sees plh on the speaker queue
  310. # [18:46] <krisk> Which will spur a round of converstations about test harness requirements
  311. # [18:46] <krisk> Microsoft has submmitted tests for foreign content and will submit some more test for Selection and getElementsByClassName
  312. # [18:46] <krisk> The meeting schedule has been extended - same time/schedule
  313. # [18:47] <krisk> For more info see the wiki http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/Testing or the list http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2010May/
  314. # [18:47] <pimpbot> Title: Testing - HTML WG Wiki (at www.w3.org)
  315. # [18:47] <rubys> mike: any questions?
  316. # [18:47] <rubys> ack plh
  317. # [18:47] * Zakim unmutes Plh
  318. # [18:47] <MikeSmith> ack plh
  319. # [18:47] <krisk> phl is working on getting the approved tests from HG to tests.w.3.org/html5/
  320. # [18:47] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  321. # [18:47] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  322. # [18:48] <MikeSmith> s/phl/plh/
  323. # [18:48] <rubys> plh: remember that we are not expecting to reach consensus; what the chairs are attempting to do is identify the path that raises the least objection
  324. # [18:48] <rubys> cynthia: thank you, that was much more clear
  325. # [18:48] <rubys> topic: 9. Other Business
  326. # [18:49] <rubys> mike: hearing none, moving on...
  327. # [18:49] <rubys> topic: 10. Scribe for next meeting
  328. # [18:49] <rubys> mike: volunteers?
  329. # [18:49] <rubys> mike: hearing none, adjourned...
  330. # [18:49] <Zakim> -Matt
  331. # [18:49] <plh> s/consensus/consensus, because of the loaded issues we're dealing with/
  332. # [18:49] <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
  333. # [18:49] <Zakim> -Janina_Sajka
  334. # [18:49] <MikeSmith> [adjourned]
  335. # [18:49] <Zakim> -Radhika_Roy
  336. # [18:49] <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
  337. # [18:49] <Zakim> -rob
  338. # [18:49] * Parts: janina (janina@66.92.170.178)
  339. # [18:49] <Zakim> -Julian
  340. # [18:49] <MikeSmith> thanks to Sam for scribing
  341. # [18:50] <Zakim> -Plh
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  344. # [18:50] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  345. # [18:50] <rubys> trackbot, publish minutes
  346. # [18:50] <trackbot> Sorry, rubys, I don't understand 'trackbot, publish minutes'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
  347. # [18:50] <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
  348. # [18:50] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/05/13-html-wg-minutes.html MikeSmith
  349. # [18:50] <pimpbot> Title: IRC Trackbot (at www.w3.org)
  350. # [18:50] <Zakim> -Laura_Carlson
  351. # [18:50] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
  352. # [18:50] <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make logs public
  353. # [18:50] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, MikeSmith
  354. # [18:51] <MikeSmith> Zakim, who's on the phone?
  355. # [18:51] <Zakim> On the phone I see Mike, Sam
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  357. # [18:54] <MikeSmith> Present: Laura, Matt, Janina, Radhika_Roy, MichaelCooper, RobEnnals, Cynthia, Julian, Philippe, KrisK, Adrian, Eliot, Sam, Gregory, MikeSmith
  358. # [18:54] <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
  359. # [18:54] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/05/13-html-wg-minutes.html MikeSmith
  360. # [18:54] <pimpbot> Title: HTML Weekly Teleconference -- 13 May 2010 (at www.w3.org)
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  371. # [19:37] <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, Sam, in HTML_WG()12:00PM
  372. # [19:37] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  373. # [19:37] <Zakim> Attendees were Radhika_Roy, Michael_Cooper, Matt, adrianba, krisk, rob, Mike, Sam, Julian, Janina_Sajka, [IPcaller], [Microsoft], Eliot, Laura_Carlson, +1.617.417.aabb, plh
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