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  5. # [00:43] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 8379] Remove Section 4.11.1 The Details Element <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jun/0436.html>
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  19. # [03:44] <pimpbot> planet: Full-bleed background video, can be in Flash? <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3154385/full-bleed-background-video-can-be-in-flash>
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  41. # [08:15] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10057] New: I do not like the "or do nothing" part, as the label is an really good aid for aiming at small form elemnts like a checkbox or radiobutton. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jul/0000.html>
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  44. # [09:15] <pimpbot> changes: mjs: Mark issues 93 and 107 as closed. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Jul/0000.html>
  45. # [09:45] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10059] New: should allow a line terminator between </rt> and </ruby> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jul/0001.html>
  46. # [09:45] <pimpbot> planet: Can I broadcast to all WebSocket clients <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3155528/can-i-broadcast-to-all-websocket-clients>
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  51. # [10:45] <pimpbot> planet: How to manipulate an embedded SVG shape? <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3156127/how-to-manipulate-an-embedded-svg-shape>
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  59. # [11:46] <pimpbot> planet: html5 / flash video player <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2946613/html5-flash-video-player>
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  62. # [12:46] <pimpbot> planet: Javascript Speed - Chrome v Firefox <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3156837/javascript-speed-chrome-v-firefox>
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  67. # [13:16] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9979] Why can't a value start out incomplete, e.g. "2010-" ? <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jul/0002.html>
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  72. # [13:46] <pimpbot> planet: Full-bleed background video? <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3154385/full-bleed-background-video> ** Keep your vows; Keeping wed to Node <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ajaxian/~3/G090uZxNuyw/keep-your-vows-keeping-wed-to-node>
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  79. # [14:47] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9901] co-chairs should also address objections raised in change proposals <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jul/0003.html>
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  83. # [15:31] <armandoperico> if i may ask... i have to build a programming environment using SVG or Canvas as a faculty summer project, and i'm looking for some framework that has already things like, drag and drop, event listeners (mouse and keyboard), text handlers and so on, any of you have any sugestion like "Lively kernel" or something like this ?
  84. # [15:47] <pimpbot> planet: HTML 5 Video Tag <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3134731/html-5-video-tag>
  85. # [15:50] <MikeSmith> armandoperico: I suggest asking of #whatwg on irc.freenode.net
  86. # [15:51] <MikeSmith> there are more people over there
  87. # [15:51] <MikeSmith> and some with insight into what you're looking for, for sure
  88. # [15:51] <armandoperico> thanks
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  92. # [16:47] <pimpbot> planet: Does (HTML5) Canvas have the equivalent of an image map? <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2932141/does-html5-canvas-have-the-equivalent-of-an-image-map> ** Where can i find good documentations about HTML5 <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2560375/where-can-i-find-good-documentations-about-html5>
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  96. # [17:47] <pimpbot> planet: SVG in IE 9, will it be possible? <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3159218/svg-in-ie-9-will-it-be-possible> ** Firefox 4 with lots of speed improvements and inline SVG <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ajaxian/~3/7y5odf2XrXE/firefox-4-with-lots-of-speed-improvements-and-inline-svg>
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  101. # [18:00] <dsinger__> zakim, mute dsinger
  102. # [18:00] <dsinger__> Invite zakim
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  104. # [18:01] <dsinger__> zakim, mute dsinger
  105. # [18:01] <Zakim> sorry, dsinger__, I don't know what conference this is
  106. # [18:01] <dsinger__> Zakim, this is HTML
  107. # [18:01] <Zakim> HTML matches both HTML_WG()12:00PM and WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM, dsinger__
  108. # [18:01] <dsinger__> Zakim, this is HTML-wg
  109. # [18:01] <Zakim> sorry, dsinger__, I do not see a conference named 'HTML-wg' in progress or scheduled at this time
  110. # [18:02] <dsinger__> zakim, this is HTML_wg
  111. # [18:02] <Zakim> ok, dsinger__; that matches HTML_WG()12:00PM
  112. # [18:02] <dsinger__> zakim, mute dsinger
  113. # [18:02] <Zakim> dsinger should now be muted
  114. # [18:02] * dsinger__ yay!
  115. # [18:02] * plh zakim, call plh-work
  116. # [18:02] * Zakim ok, plh; the call is being made
  117. # [18:02] <Zakim> +Plh
  118. # [18:03] * plh zakim, who is on the phone?
  119. # [18:03] * Zakim sees on the phone: [Microsoft], dsinger (muted), Radhika_Roy, Plh
  120. # [18:03] * dsinger__ I have not invited resagent, et al.
  121. # [18:03] <plh> trackbot-ng, start telcon
  122. # [18:03] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference
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  124. # [18:03] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/07/01-html-wg-irc
  125. # [18:03] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  126. # [18:03] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
  127. # [18:03] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be HTML
  128. # [18:03] <Zakim> HTML matches both HTML_WG()12:00PM and WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM
  129. # [18:03] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  130. # [18:03] <trackbot> Date: 01 July 2010
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  134. # [18:05] * dsinger__ zakim, who is here?
  135. # [18:05] * Zakim I notice HTML_WG()12:00PM has restarted
  136. # [18:05] * Zakim sees on the phone: [Microsoft], dsinger (muted), Radhika_Roy, Plh, Julian_Reschke, +1.415.595.aaaa
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  138. # [18:05] * Zakim ... arronei, drry, krijnh, tlr, johndrinkwater, karl, anne, ed_work_, scotfl, CIA-1, Philip, Hixie, Slaanesh, jwm, jgraham, jmb, gsnedders, trackbot, webben, pimpbot, Shunsuke,
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  140. # [18:05] <plh> scribeNick: plh
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  142. # [18:06] <Dzung_Tran> Present+ Dzung_Tran
  143. # [18:06] <plh> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2010AprJun/0025.html
  144. # [18:06] <pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2010-07-01: issues, surveys, decisions, publication status, TF reports from Maciej Stachowiak on 2010-06-30 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from April to June 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  145. # [18:06] * plh changes topic to 'Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2010AprJun/0025.html (plh)'
  146. # [18:06] * dsinger__ 415.595.aaaa is mjs?
  147. # [18:06] <mjs> dsinger__: yes
  148. # [18:06] <Julian> Zakim, JulianReschke is me
  149. # [18:06] <Zakim> +Julian; got it
  150. # [18:06] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  151. # [18:06] <dsinger__> Zakim aaaa is mjs
  152. # [18:06] <plh> agenda+ action items due
  153. # [18:06] * Zakim notes agendum 1 added
  154. # [18:06] <plh> agenda+ action items pending
  155. # [18:06] * Zakim notes agendum 2 added
  156. # [18:06] <Eliot> Zakim, [Microsoft.a] is me
  157. # [18:06] <Zakim> +Eliot; got it
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  159. # [18:07] <plh> agenda+ items that close this week
  160. # [18:07] * Zakim notes agendum 3 added
  161. # [18:07] <dsinger__> Zakim, aaaa is mjs
  162. # [18:07] <plh> agenda+ New issues
  163. # [18:07] <plh> agenda+ WG decisions
  164. # [18:07] <Zakim> +mjs; got it
  165. # [18:07] <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike
  166. # [18:07] * Zakim notes agendum 4 added
  167. # [18:07] <plh> agenda+ Heartbeat WDs and FPWDs
  168. # [18:07] * Zakim notes agendum 5 added
  169. # [18:07] <Zakim> +Michael_Cooper
  170. # [18:07] <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
  171. # [18:07] <plh> agenda+ Other business
  172. # [18:07] <Zakim> +Mike
  173. # [18:07] * Zakim notes agendum 6 added
  174. # [18:07] <plh> agenda+ Scribe for next week
  175. # [18:07] * Zakim notes agendum 7 added
  176. # [18:07] <plh> zakim, move to next agendum
  177. # [18:07] * Zakim notes agendum 8 added
  178. # [18:07] <Zakim> agendum 1. "action items due" taken up [from plh]
  179. # [18:08] <plh> action-29?
  180. # [18:08] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-29
  181. # [18:08] <trackbot> ACTION-29 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to follow up on the idea of a free-software-compatible license for a note on HTML authoring -- due 2010-07-01 -- OPEN
  182. # [18:08] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/29
  183. # [18:08] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-29 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
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  185. # [18:08] <Zakim> +Laura_Carlson
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  187. # [18:09] <plh> plh: license is under review by the FSF
  188. # [18:09] <plh> ... no timeline :(
  189. # [18:09] <plh> ... let's check again in two weeks
  190. # [18:09] <plh> zakim, move to next agendum
  191. # [18:09] <Zakim> agendum 2. "action items pending" taken up [from plh]
  192. # [18:09] <plh> action-182?
  193. # [18:09] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-182
  194. # [18:09] <trackbot> ACTION-182 -- Paul Cotton to followup with Mark Nottingham about the status of the IANA registry needed for Issue-27 -- due 2010-07-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW
  195. # [18:09] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/182
  196. # [18:10] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-182 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  197. # [18:10] <plh> mjs: this was done
  198. # [18:10] <plh> close action-182
  199. # [18:10] * trackbot attempting to close ACTION-182.
  200. # [18:10] <trackbot> ACTION-182 Followup with Mark Nottingham about the status of the IANA registry needed for Issue-27 closed
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  202. # [18:10] <plh> zakim, move to next agendum
  203. # [18:10] <Zakim> agendum 2 was just opened, plh
  204. # [18:10] <plh> zakim, close agendum2
  205. # [18:10] <Zakim> agendum 2, action items pending, closed
  206. # [18:10] <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
  207. # [18:10] <plh> zakim, close agendum 2
  208. # [18:10] <Zakim> 3. items that close this week [from plh]
  209. # [18:10] <plh> zakim, move to next agendum
  210. # [18:10] <Zakim> agendum 2, action items pending, closed
  211. # [18:10] <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
  212. # [18:10] <Zakim> 3. items that close this week [from plh]
  213. # [18:10] <Zakim> agendum 3. "items that close this week" taken up [from plh]
  214. # [18:10] <plh> mjs: two polls issue 30 and issue 88
  215. # [18:10] <Laura> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/issue-30-objection-poll/results
  216. # [18:10] <plh> ... both closed this week
  217. # [18:10] <pimpbot> Title: Results of Questionnaire ISSUE-30: include a longdesc attribute for images - Straw Poll for Objections - Web-Based Straw-poll and Balloting System (at www.w3.org)
  218. # [18:10] <Laura> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/issue-88-objection-poll/results
  219. # [18:11] <pimpbot> Title: Results of Questionnaire ISSUE-88: Should meta/@content allow a list of languages - Straw Poll for Objections - Web-Based Straw-poll and Balloting System (at www.w3.org)
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  221. # [18:11] <plh> mjs: the chairs will continue to work through the backlog
  222. # [18:11] * plh suggest to mjs to hold his cellphone differently :-]
  223. # [18:11] <plh> mjs: any comment on those issues or the polls?
  224. # [18:12] <plh> [none heard]
  225. # [18:12] <plh> zakim, move to next agendum
  226. # [18:12] <Zakim> agendum 4. "New issues" taken up [from plh]
  227. # [18:12] <plh> mjs: we don't have new issues this week
  228. # [18:12] <plh> zakim, move to next agendum
  229. # [18:12] <Zakim> agendum 4 was just opened, plh
  230. # [18:12] <plh> zakim, close agendum 4
  231. # [18:12] <Zakim> agendum 4, New issues, closed
  232. # [18:12] <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
  233. # [18:12] <plh> zakim, move to next agendum
  234. # [18:12] <Zakim> 5. WG decisions [from plh]
  235. # [18:12] <Zakim> agendum 5. "WG decisions" taken up [from plh]
  236. # [18:12] <plh> mjs: we decided to keep the details element
  237. # [18:13] <plh> ... decisions on issues 95, 96 and 97 are pending
  238. # [18:13] <plh> ... we now have issue 30 and 88 in our pipeline
  239. # [18:13] <plh> zakim, move to next agendum
  240. # [18:13] <Zakim> agendum 5 was just opened, plh
  241. # [18:13] <plh> zakim, close agendum 5
  242. # [18:13] <Zakim> agendum 5, WG decisions, closed
  243. # [18:13] <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
  244. # [18:13] <Zakim> 6. Heartbeat WDs and FPWDs [from plh]
  245. # [18:13] <plh> zakim, move to next agendum
  246. # [18:13] <Zakim> agendum 6. "Heartbeat WDs and FPWDs" taken up [from plh]
  247. # [18:13] <plh> mjs: all 8 drafts have been published
  248. # [18:13] <plh> ... that's pretty exciting
  249. # [18:13] <plh> ... we did make our 3-month heartbeat window
  250. # [18:14] <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
  251. # [18:14] <plh> zakim, close agendum 6
  252. # [18:14] <Zakim> agendum 6, Heartbeat WDs and FPWDs, closed
  253. # [18:14] <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
  254. # [18:14] <plh> zakim, move to next agendum
  255. # [18:14] <Zakim> 7. Other business [from plh]
  256. # [18:14] <Zakim> agendum 7. "Other business" taken up [from plh]
  257. # [18:14] <plh> mjs: other topic to put in front of the group?
  258. # [18:14] <plh> [none heard]
  259. # [18:14] * Julian proactively rejecting to this to be the HTML WG shortest telco ever
  260. # [18:14] * dsinger__ good job chairs, editors, staff!
  261. # [18:14] <plh> zakim, close agendum 7
  262. # [18:14] <Zakim> agendum 7, Other business, closed
  263. # [18:14] <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
  264. # [18:14] <plh> zakim, move to next agendum
  265. # [18:14] <Zakim> 8. Scribe for next week [from plh]
  266. # [18:14] <Zakim> agendum 8. "Scribe for next week" taken up [from plh]
  267. # [18:14] * Julian proactively objecting to this to be the HTML WG shortest telco ever
  268. # [18:14] <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
  269. # [18:14] <plh> mjs: volunteer to scribe next week?
  270. # [18:15] <plh> ... I think Paul will chair the next week. Assuming I don't chair, I'll scribe.
  271. # [18:15] <plh> ... was a short meeting today.
  272. # [18:15] <Eliot> Wow!
  273. # [18:15] <plh> [adjourned]
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  275. # [18:15] <Zakim> -dsinger
  276. # [18:15] <Zakim> -Plh
  277. # [18:15] <Zakim> -Julian
  278. # [18:15] <Zakim> -Eliot
  279. # [18:15] <Zakim> -mjs
  280. # [18:15] <Laura> bye
  281. # [18:15] <Zakim> -Radhika_Roy
  282. # [18:15] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  283. # [18:15] <MikeSmith> zakim, drop Mike
  284. # [18:15] <Zakim> Mike is being disconnected
  285. # [18:15] <Zakim> -Mike
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  287. # [18:15] <Zakim> -Laura_Carlson
  288. # [18:16] <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
  289. # [18:16] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  290. # [18:16] <Zakim> Attendees were [Microsoft], dsinger, Radhika_Roy, Plh, Julian_Reschke, +1.415.595.aaaa, Julian, Eliot, mjs, Michael_Cooper, Mike, Laura_Carlson, Cynthia_Shelly
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  292. # [18:16] * plh rrsagent, generate minutes
  293. # [18:16] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/07/01-html-wg-minutes.html plh
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  295. # [18:16] <plh> zakim, bye
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  297. # [18:16] <plh> rrsagent, bye
  298. # [18:16] <RRSAgent> I see no action items
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  304. # [18:48] <pimpbot> planet: Is there a way to make html5 video fullscreen <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1055214/is-there-a-way-to-make-html5-video-fullscreen>
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  318. # [20:50] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10061] New: rt and rp elements end tags should not be allowed to be omitted <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jul/0004.html>
  319. # [20:50] <pimpbot> planet: Change canvas gradient object's properties. <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3160336/change-canvas-gradient-objects-properties>
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  325. # [22:50] <pimpbot> planet: CSS3-based Carousel in Any Direction Regardless of Order <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3126268/css3-based-carousel-in-any-direction-regardless-of-order> ** Autoplay audio files on an iPad with HTML5 <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3009888/autoplay-audio-files-on-an-ipad-with-html5> ** Fake "user initiated" <audio> tag on iPad <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2894230/fake-user-initiated-audio-tag-on-ipad>
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  329. # [23:20] <pimpbot> changes: mike: added descriptions for some event-handler attributes <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Jul/0001.html>
  330. # [23:20] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10062] New: "If the attribute is specified, the attribute's value must be the ID of a . . ." No algorithm is given for what it means to "be the ID" of an element. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jul/0005.html>
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  332. # [23:50] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Captions - Stage 15: Define how to express text cues as DOM nodes (will be used by the API). (whatwg r5129) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Jul/0002.html>
  333. # [23:50] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 10062] "If the attribute is specified, the attribute's value must be the ID of a . . ." No algorithm is given for what it means to "be the ID" of an element." (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jul/0007.html>
  334. # Session Close: Fri Jul 02 00:00:00 2010

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