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  65. # [07:16] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10240] New: Just setting the <script> to "already started" doesn't prevent it from running if we then immediately "run" it. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jul/0418.html>
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  69. # [07:42] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Reluctantly define document.load(). (whatwg r5199) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Jul/0087.html>
  70. # [07:46] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 10240] Just setting the <script> to "already started" doesn't prevent it from running if we then immediately "run" it." (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jul/0420.html>
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  82. # [08:39] <xetorthio> is it OK that the request generted by a script tag always accepts */* even if the specified type is something like application/javascript?
  83. # [08:39] <anne> yes
  84. # [08:41] <xetorthio> anne: but that means that if my resource defaults content-types to something like audio/basic it will cause problems. it seems to me the user agent should accept something more related to the type specified
  85. # [08:42] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: typo (whatwg r5201) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Jul/0089.html>
  86. # [08:43] <anne> xetorthio, content negotiation hasn't really worked out in practice
  87. # [08:43] <anne> xetorthio, for <script> user agents accept anything basically
  88. # [08:44] <xetorthio> anne: so you are saying that content negotiation is something deprecated in http?
  89. # [08:46] <anne> xetorthio, it's not deprecated, it just hasn't really taken off in practice (at least not as far as the Accept / Content-Type relation is concerned)
  90. # [08:46] <anne> (I suppose it is somewhat successful for other fields, e.g. Accept-Language, though even there companies often resort to IP-based sniffing and such)
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  92. # [08:52] <xetorthio> anne: I understand, but I'm pretty sure that the Accept header is used in lots of different sites and for those sites and also lots of them uses jquery and jsonp. when those are combined together (something pretty common) you won't be able to do it without adding an exception on server side
  93. # [08:52] <anne> you can just use different URLs
  94. # [08:53] <Hixie> http://bohuco.net/blog/2010/07/html5-websockets-example/ - people do write their own servers :-)
  95. # [08:53] <pimpbot> Title: HTML5 WebSockets Example | BOHUCO (at bohuco.net)
  96. # [08:53] <Hixie> (in this instance based on someone else's code)
  97. # [08:53] <Hixie> er, wc
  98. # [08:57] <xetorthio> anne: of course I could do that, but isn't it more standard to require that from user agents? it shouldn't harm anyone and make the specs more http complaint and avoid some problems for those who want to follow http specs
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  101. # [09:06] <anne> xetorthio, using separate URLs for separate resources makes perfect sense to me
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  103. # [09:06] <anne> xetorthio, user agents are unlikely to be changed as that will break content
  104. # [09:06] <anne> fiddling with the Accept header is dangerous territory
  105. # [09:08] <xetorthio> why dangerous? it is what both REST and HTTP recommends unless I missunderstood somethings
  106. # [09:10] <Julian> "REST" and HTTP recommend nothing specific. Content negotiation based on Accept is one mechanism, but that doesn't mean it needs to be always used.
  107. # [09:10] <Julian> Also, assigning separate URIs for the different variants is *also* a good practice.
  108. # [09:11] <Julian> Of cousre you might need Accept* in the request and access to "Location" in the response do be able to make use of that.
  109. # [09:12] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: document.load() - prevent reentrancy in the sync case, and minor fixes. (whatwg r5202) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Jul/0090.html>
  110. # [09:16] <xetorthio> Julian: well I always thought that REST is all about resources and representations, where resources are identified with a URI and representations are negotiated between user agents and resources. assigning separate URIs for variants seems more like different resources and nos differentes representations of those resources
  111. # [09:17] <anne> smoked too much semantic web pipe it seems ;p
  112. # [09:17] <xetorthio> but maybe you can tell me why it is dangerous or why it is a good practice, I believe you have good reasons to say that
  113. # [09:18] <Julian> you don't *have* to assign distinct URIs, but it makes things simpler.
  114. # [09:18] <Julian> If a certain representation is important enough that you want to able to link to it, then that's a sign that it deserves a URI.
  115. # [09:20] <xetorthio> anne: haha... sorry to insist on this, I just want to make sure I understand the reasons
  116. # [09:29] <xetorthio> Julian: isn't the media attribute supposed to do that? so if /user_profile/123 in text/plain is important enough I should link to it with <a href="/user_profile" media="text/plain" /> ?
  117. # [09:29] <anne> media takes a media query, not a media type
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  119. # [09:39] <MikeSmith> weird... I can't seem to get a route from Japan to anything on ietf.org
  120. # [09:40] <MikeSmith> kennyluck: can you get to http://tools.ietf.org from your machine?
  121. # [09:40] <pimpbot> Title: IETF Tools (at tools.ietf.org)
  122. # [09:41] <kennyluck> MikeSmith, no I can't.
  123. # [09:41] <MikeSmith> kennyluck: something borked in DNS on the wireless LAN
  124. # [09:41] <MikeSmith> I think
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  142. # [11:47] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10239] How about using file-extensions instead of mime-types? It would allow application-specific files to be set as allowed. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jul/0421.html>
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  145. # [12:17] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 10239] How about using file-extensions instead of mime-types? It would allow application-specific files to be set as allowed." (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jul/0422.html>
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  147. # [12:47] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10241] New: The platform specific activation behavior does not work in practice. E.g. http://us.starcraft2.com/dominion/entrance-exam-qna.xml relies on a click event for a display:none input element. The Web is the platform so we should just standardize on that :-) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jul/0423.html>
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  184. # [15:44] <pimpbot> changes: mike: make <input> and <meta> spec links target more specific parts of the HTML5 spec <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Jul/0091.html>
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  188. # [16:44] <pimpbot> planet: Reviewing HTML5 for Web Designers <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/html5doctor/~3/g3-Vs0122Vw/>
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  219. # [21:45] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: servers aren't the only recipients. (whatwg r5205) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Jul/0093.html> ** hixie: Make document.open() reset the charset to UTF-8 instead of UTF-16. (whatwg r5204) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Jul/0092.html>
  220. # [22:19] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7237] Let current outlinee be null. (It holds the element whose outline is being created.) Spelling. Outline with one "e" <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jul/0425.html> ** [Bug 10201] typo: "1. Let current outlinee" <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Jul/0424.html>
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