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  5. # [01:10] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10691] New: Specify extend method for Selection objects <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0859.html>
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  19. # [06:11] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10692] New: Fix coercion to Infoset for HTML5 to correctly preserve xmlns attributes <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0860.html>
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  22. # [07:12] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10693] New: Need a means for navigating between related timed tracks of media elements <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0861.html>
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  25. # [07:42] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10693] Need a means for navigating between related timed tracks of media elements <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0862.html>
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  34. # [09:42] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 10692] Fix coercion to Infoset for HTML5 to correctly preserve xmlns attributes" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0864.html>
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  37. # [10:43] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 10692] Fix coercion to Infoset for HTML5 to correctly preserve xmlns attributes" (3 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0865.html>
  38. # [10:58] <anne> Julian, so I think HEAD and OPTIONS are not preserved either but I would have to test
  39. # [10:58] <anne> Julian, 303 does not preserve them either right? I think browsers treat all three the same
  40. # [10:59] <anne> (I realize in the past I have claimed OPTIONS ought to work, but I'm no longer convinced that is really needed.)
  41. # [11:23] <anne> Julian, didn't we use OPTIONS on advice of some HTTP WG members?
  42. # [11:23] <anne> Julian, in retrospect CORS or some such might have been better indeed
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  44. # [11:43] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10693] Need a means for navigating between related timed tracks of media elements <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0866.html>
  45. # [12:13] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 10694] Specify window.console" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0869.html> ** [Bug 10694] New: Specify window.console. Without it scripts around the web break because the author left in a console.something. Not sure which members are required; Opera has log, warn, error, info. They should be defined to either do nothing or show the arguments conver <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/
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  47. # [12:43] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10427] Object should be a little less scoping <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0870.html>
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  64. # [16:14] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10694] Specify window.console <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0872.html>
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  79. # [17:59] <paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2010JulSep/0026.html
  80. # [17:59] <pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG Telecon 2010-09-23 status of calls, issues and bugs, TPAC F2F from Paul Cotton on 2010-09-22 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from July to September 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  81. # [18:01] <dsinger_> Zakim, code?
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  84. # [18:01] <rubys> trackbot, start meeting
  85. # [18:01] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference
  86. # [18:01] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  87. # [18:01] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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  89. # [18:01] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
  90. # [18:01] <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
  91. # [18:01] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  92. # [18:01] <trackbot> Date: 23 September 2010
  93. # [18:01] <dsinger_> Zakim, who is here?
  94. # [18:01] <Zakim> On the phone I see dsinger, +1.732.238.aaaa
  95. # [18:01] <Zakim> On IRC I see mjs, eliot, dsinger_, paulc, Mark, rubys, Stevef, adrianba, kliehm, oedipus, Martijnc, aroben, MikeSmith, Lachy, tlr, laplink, kennyluck, gavin__, Julian, dsinger,
  96. # [18:01] <Zakim> ... arronei, Hixie, gavin, jmb, krijnh, jwm, karl, Dashiva, ed_work, phenny, hober, RRSAgent, pimpbot, Yudai, inimino, hsivonen, Shunsuke, CIA-1, webben, Philip, gsnedders,
  97. # [18:01] <Zakim> ... jgraham, drry, trackbot
  98. # [18:01] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  99. # [18:02] <eliot> Zakim, Microsoft has me
  100. # [18:02] <Zakim> +eliot; got it
  101. # [18:02] <dsinger_> Zakim, mute dsinger
  102. # [18:02] <Zakim> dsinger should now be muted
  103. # [18:02] <Zakim> +Sam
  104. # [18:03] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  105. # [18:03] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.aa]
  106. # [18:03] * dsinger_ has the person in area code 732 self-identified to zakim?
  107. # [18:03] <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft.a] has paulc
  108. # [18:03] <Zakim> +paulc; got it
  109. # [18:03] <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft.aa] has adrianba,franko
  110. # [18:03] <Zakim> +adrianba, franko; got it
  111. # [18:03] <adrianba> ScribeNick: adrianba
  112. # [18:03] <adrianba> Scribe: Adrian Bateman
  113. # [18:03] <adrianba> Chair: Paul Cotton
  114. # [18:03] <adrianba> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2010JulSep/0026.html
  115. # [18:03] <pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG Telecon 2010-09-23 status of calls, issues and bugs, TPAC F2F from Paul Cotton on 2010-09-22 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from July to September 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
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  117. # [18:04] <janina> zakim, call janina
  118. # [18:04] <Zakim> ok, janina; the call is being made
  119. # [18:04] <Zakim> +Janina
  120. # [18:04] <dsinger_> Zakim, who is here?
  121. # [18:05] <Zakim> On the phone I see dsinger (muted), +1.732.238.aaaa, [Microsoft], Sam, [Microsoft.a], [Microsoft.aa], Janina
  122. # [18:05] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has eliot
  123. # [18:05] <Zakim> [Microsoft.aa] has adrianba, franko
  124. # [18:05] <Zakim> [Microsoft.a] has paulc
  125. # [18:05] <Zakim> On IRC I see janina, Zakim, mjs, eliot, dsinger_, paulc, Mark, rubys, Stevef, adrianba, kliehm, oedipus, Martijnc, aroben, MikeSmith, Lachy, tlr, laplink, kennyluck, gavin__,
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  128. # [18:05] <adrianba> TOPIC: ACTION items due by Thursday, Sept 23
  129. # [18:05] <Zakim> ... gsnedders, jgraham, drry, trackbot
  130. # [18:05] <adrianba> paulc: none
  131. # [18:05] <Zakim> +mjs
  132. # [18:05] <adrianba> TOPIC: New Issues This Week
  133. # [18:05] <Zakim> +Michael_Cooper
  134. # [18:05] <adrianba> paulc: none seen
  135. # [18:05] <adrianba> TOPIC: Items Closed Last Week
  136. # [18:05] <adrianba> ISSUE-116?
  137. # [18:05] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-116
  138. # [18:05] <trackbot> ISSUE-116 -- provide reference and info about HTML5: Techniques for providing useful text alternatives in html5 spec -- closed
  139. # [18:05] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/116
  140. # [18:05] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-116 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  141. # [18:06] <adrianba> paulc: closed as a result of (non-)action by the WG
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  143. # [18:06] <paulc> See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Sep/0193.html
  144. # [18:06] <pimpbot> Title: Re: CfC: Close ISSUE-116 text-alternative by Amicable Consensus from Sam Ruby on 2010-09-16 (public-html@w3.org from September 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  145. # [18:06] <adrianba> TOPIC: Items Closing This week
  146. # [18:06] <adrianba> ISSUE-41?
  147. # [18:06] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-41
  148. # [18:06] <trackbot> ISSUE-41 -- Decentralized extensibility -- open
  149. # [18:06] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/41
  150. # [18:06] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-41 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  151. # [18:06] <adrianba> paulc: had a call for revised change proposals due yesterday
  152. # [18:07] <adrianba> ...2 remaining proposals
  153. # [18:07] <adrianba> ...haven't seen subsequent e-mail on this so assuming these proposals are okay and chairs will issue a survey on this
  154. # [18:07] <adrianba> rubys: makes sense for us to issue a survey after this call
  155. # [18:08] <adrianba> ISSUE-110?
  156. # [18:08] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-110
  157. # [18:08] <trackbot> ISSUE-110 -- Change Control for text/html-sandboxed media type -- open
  158. # [18:08] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/110
  159. # [18:08] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-110 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  160. # [18:08] <adrianba> paulc: we were calling for consensus on the original issue
  161. # [18:08] <paulc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Sep/0178.html
  162. # [18:08] <pimpbot> Title: CfC: Close ISSUE-110 sandbox-type-owner by Amicable Consensus from Sam Ruby on 2010-09-15 (public-html@w3.org from September 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  163. # [18:08] <adrianba> ...don't believe we had any responses to this
  164. # [18:09] <rubys> +1
  165. # [18:09] <adrianba> ...if there are no objections we will adopt this, since we didn't get any objections we'll take this
  166. # [18:09] <adrianba> ...chairs will process that after this meeting too
  167. # [18:09] <adrianba> paul: item 4c on the agenda is the call for consensus for heartbeat working drafts that also closed yesterday
  168. # [18:09] <paulc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Sep/0180.html
  169. # [18:09] <pimpbot> Title: CfC: Publish eight heartbeat drafts as FPWDs from Sam Ruby on 2010-09-15 (public-html@w3.org from September 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  170. # [18:09] <adrianba> ...seen several letters of support
  171. # [18:10] <adrianba> ...none against so assume that this resolution is adopted
  172. # [18:10] <adrianba> ...chairs will now ask the editors to prepare the documents for publication and on what schedule
  173. # [18:10] <paulc> MikeSmith: Can you take care of a publication cycle?
  174. # [18:10] <adrianba> s/on what/determine the/
  175. # [18:11] <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
  176. # [18:11] <Zakim> +Laura_Carlson
  177. # [18:11] <adrianba> paulc: did you have a target date?
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  181. # [18:11] <adrianba> rubys: nothing other than early October
  182. # [18:11] <adrianba> paulc: okay, let's aim for early october
  183. # [18:11] <adrianba> TOPIC: Items Closing Next Week
  184. # [18:11] <adrianba> ISSUE-117?
  185. # [18:11] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-117
  186. # [18:11] <trackbot> ISSUE-117 -- Deprecate the noscript element -- raised
  187. # [18:11] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/117
  188. # [18:11] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-117 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
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  190. # [18:12] <adrianba> paulc: this issue will be closed without prejudice if there is no proposal by monday (sep 27)
  191. # [18:12] <paulc> See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Aug/0299.html
  192. # [18:12] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-117 (deprecate-noscript): Chairs Solicit Proposals from Sam Ruby on 2010-08-25 (public-html@w3.org from August 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  193. # [18:12] <adrianba> ...don't believe we have any proposals, good opportunity for people to be aware that this will be closed without prejudice unless someone steps forward
  194. # [18:13] <adrianba> paulc: this is imminently going to close and chairs will likely take action before next meeting without a proposal
  195. # [18:13] <adrianba> TOPIC: Outstanding Call for proposals
  196. # [18:13] <adrianba> ISSUE-118?
  197. # [18:13] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-118
  198. # [18:13] <trackbot> ISSUE-118 -- Specification breaks semantics of existing link relations "index" and "first" -- raised
  199. # [18:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/118
  200. # [18:13] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-118 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  201. # [18:13] <adrianba> ISSUE-122?
  202. # [18:13] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-122
  203. # [18:13] <trackbot> ISSUE-122 -- alt text and description for Lady of Shalott example -- raised
  204. # [18:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/122
  205. # [18:13] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-122 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  206. # [18:13] <adrianba> ISSUE-123?
  207. # [18:13] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-123
  208. # [18:13] <trackbot> ISSUE-123 -- Autofocus attribute security concerns -- raised
  209. # [18:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/123
  210. # [18:13] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-123 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  211. # [18:13] <adrianba> paulc: call for proposals are due on Oct 17
  212. # [18:14] <adrianba> TOPIC: Outstanding Call for counter proposals
  213. # [18:14] <adrianba> ISSUE-27?
  214. # [18:14] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-27
  215. # [18:14] <trackbot> ISSUE-27 -- @rel value ownership, registry consideration -- open
  216. # [18:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/27
  217. # [18:14] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-27 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  218. # [18:14] <adrianba> paulc: call for counter proposal closes on oct 17
  219. # [18:14] <paulc> Mark N status update: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Sep/0187.html
  220. # [18:14] <pimpbot> Title: Re: ISSUE-27: rel-ownership - Call for counter proposals from Mark Nottingham on 2010-09-16 (public-html@w3.org from September 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  221. # [18:14] <adrianba> TOPIC: New Calls this week
  222. # [18:15] <adrianba> ISSUE-119?
  223. # [18:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-119
  224. # [18:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-119 -- Certain relationships take on a special meaning when repeated; other solutions may be cleaner -- raised
  225. # [18:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/119
  226. # [18:15] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-119 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  227. # [18:15] <adrianba> paulc: this closes on oct 24
  228. # [18:15] <adrianba> ISSUE-74?
  229. # [18:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-74
  230. # [18:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-74 -- How accessibility works for <canvas> is unclear. -- open
  231. # [18:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/74
  232. # [18:15] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-74 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  233. # [18:15] <adrianba> ISSUE-105?
  234. # [18:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-105
  235. # [18:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-105 -- allow image maps on the canvas element -- open
  236. # [18:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/105
  237. # [18:15] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-105 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  238. # [18:15] <paulc> Request for input: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Sep/0225.html
  239. # [18:15] <adrianba> paulc: these two in combination with eachother
  240. # [18:15] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-74 canvas-accessibility and ISSUE-105 canvas-usemap from Maciej Stachowiak on 2010-09-21 (public-html@w3.org from September 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  241. # [18:15] <adrianba> ...chairs reviewed these two issues and came up with 5 questions that covers these
  242. # [18:16] <adrianba> ...asked for input from the wg that if we survey on these questions we get the result the group expects
  243. # [18:16] <adrianba> ...chairs think it would be best to survey these questions separately - if the group is amenable we will go ahead
  244. # [18:16] <adrianba> ...if we get no objections will likely get a survey early next week
  245. # [18:17] <adrianba> ...archive shows no responses so far
  246. # [18:17] <adrianba> ISSUE-103?
  247. # [18:17] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-103
  248. # [18:17] <trackbot> ISSUE-103 -- XML escaping in iframe/@srcdoc -- open
  249. # [18:17] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/103
  250. # [18:17] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-103 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  251. # [18:17] <paulc> See: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Sep/0227.html
  252. # [18:17] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-103: XML escaping in iframe/srcdoc - Straw Poll for Objections from Sam Ruby on 2010-09-22 (public-html@w3.org from September 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  253. # [18:17] <adrianba> paulc: sam issued this in the last 48 hours - closes on sep 29
  254. # [18:17] <adrianba> ...straw poll for objections on solutions to this issue
  255. # [18:17] <adrianba> paulc: has the a11y tf looked at this mail - are they aware of it?
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  257. # [18:18] <adrianba> janina: we did not specifically discuss in today's call
  258. # [18:18] <adrianba> ...will make sure people are aware of it - i think we're okay with what has been proposed
  259. # [18:18] <adrianba> paulc: what we're looking for is feedback on whether the 5 questions will draw out the right response
  260. # [18:18] <adrianba> janina: i'll make sure i follow up on that
  261. # [18:19] <adrianba> paulc: given the deadline, i suggest forwarding to the tf mailing list
  262. # [18:19] <adrianba> janina: agreed
  263. # [18:19] <adrianba> cyns: perhaps the canvas subteam should discuss
  264. # [18:19] <adrianba> paulc: an immediate feedback might be that giving us only until sep 29 might not be enough given rush to oct 1
  265. # [18:20] <adrianba> ...we might be open to extend the deadline
  266. # [18:20] <adrianba> ...this e-mail is not about the change proposal but about how the survey will be done
  267. # [18:20] <adrianba> ...i'd like people to comment on how the chairs are going about the survey
  268. # [18:20] <adrianba> janina: i'll look and make sure if we need more time we ask by early next week
  269. # [18:20] <adrianba> TOPIC: Issue updates
  270. # [18:21] <adrianba> paulc: repeated a couple from last week
  271. # [18:21] <adrianba> ISSUE-85?
  272. # [18:21] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-85
  273. # [18:21] <trackbot> ISSUE-85 -- ARIA roles added to the a element should be conforming in HTML5 -- open
  274. # [18:21] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/85
  275. # [18:21] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-85 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  276. # [18:21] <Zakim> +[Apple]
  277. # [18:21] <paulc> Last week's report: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Sep/0189.html
  278. # [18:21] <pimpbot> Title: ARIA mapping status update from Maciej Stachowiak on 2010-09-16 (public-html@w3.org from September 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  279. # [18:21] <adrianba> paulc: i included the report from last week - don't believe anything newer is available?
  280. # [18:21] <adrianba> mjs: agreed, nothing new yet - will review
  281. # [18:21] <Zakim> -dsinger
  282. # [18:21] <dsinger> zakim, [apple] has dsinger
  283. # [18:22] <Zakim> +dsinger; got it
  284. # [18:22] <adrianba> paulc: the a11y tf has asked if the rhythm of this will be impacted by the oct 1 deadline
  285. # [18:22] <adrianba> ...we need to figure this out because we're trying to file bugs on both spec and change proposal
  286. # [18:23] <adrianba> mjs: the general thing we've said is if anyone wants a bug to be considered after oct 1 we will deal with on a case by case basis
  287. # [18:23] <adrianba> ...if there are things coming out of an existing issue we'd probably approve if they were done promptly
  288. # [18:23] <adrianba> ...should take offline
  289. # [18:23] <adrianba> paulc: agreed. we should let janina know we will be discussing
  290. # [18:24] <adrianba> ISSUE-9?
  291. # [18:24] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-9
  292. # [18:24] <trackbot> ISSUE-9 -- how accessibility works for <video> is unclear -- open
  293. # [18:24] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/9
  294. # [18:24] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-9 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  295. # [18:24] <adrianba> paulc: wasn't here for last week's call - not sure if we're getting feedback, are we making progress?
  296. # [18:24] <adrianba> ...is silence affirmation of the requirements?
  297. # [18:24] <adrianba> janina: i'm not sure how else to take this
  298. # [18:25] <adrianba> ...we worked hard on this in the media sub-team and have reached out to experts where they have typically been implemented
  299. # [18:25] <adrianba> ...we're pretty happy that it is complete - if there are no additional comments, silence is probably agreement
  300. # [18:26] <adrianba> janina: we're looking at what impact this has on the spec, we're planning one more bug on this
  301. # [18:26] <adrianba> janina: we're also identifying the priorities and what to work on first
  302. # [18:27] <adrianba> ...there's a request that will be coming to ask for 3 sections that were once in the spec (timed tracks) that has been improved in the WHAT specs that we'd like brought back
  303. # [18:27] <adrianba> ...but without the specificity of the format
  304. # [18:28] <adrianba> ...as far as the user requirements, we were asked to not assume that the whole wg has agreed
  305. # [18:28] <adrianba> ...but i think that is what paul is asking about, are these in fact the requirements
  306. # [18:28] <adrianba> paulc: yes, i haven't seen much commentary on this - does the WG believe these are all the requirements or that there is a minimum set
  307. # [18:29] <adrianba> ...disappointed with the response given all the work that has gone into the requirements but maybe the group is insensitive to requirements and more responsive to change proposals
  308. # [18:29] <adrianba> mjs: we agreed to come up with a short text to send to the group to give a little more context for the requirements
  309. # [18:29] <adrianba> ...and explicitly state that without comment they are approved
  310. # [18:29] <janina> Here's the URI for our tech reqs and dependencies from the user reqs on media a11y:
  311. # [18:29] <janina> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Media_Accessibility_Checklist
  312. # [18:29] <pimpbot> Title: Media Accessibility Checklist - HTML accessibility task force Wiki (at www.w3.org)
  313. # [18:30] <adrianba> ...the action is on me to send this, we need to put the group on notice that they should speak now
  314. # [18:31] <adrianba> action: maciej to inform the group that no comments on issue-9 requirements means they will be accepted
  315. # [18:31] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  316. # [18:31] * RRSAgent records action 1
  317. # [18:31] <trackbot> Created ACTION-187 - Inform the group that no comments on issue-9 requirements means they will be accepted [on Maciej Stachowiak - due 2010-09-30].
  318. # [18:31] <adrianba> TOPIC: Bugzilla notifications
  319. # [18:31] <adrianba> paulc: discussion on the list about what level of bugzilla notifications people want to receive on the list
  320. # [18:31] <paulc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Sep/0224.html
  321. # [18:31] <pimpbot> Title: Re: Bug mail (Was: [Bug 10479] add role=radiogroup to details element) from Maciej Stachowiak on 2010-09-21 (public-html@w3.org from September 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  322. # [18:32] <adrianba> ...last item i saw was from maciej asking mike smith to make it so
  323. # [18:32] <adrianba> mjs: i spoke to mike about this and he agreed to work on this - i think this may be set-up so not 100% sure
  324. # [18:32] <adrianba> ...best for mike to confirm if changes complete
  325. # [18:33] <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike-goog
  326. # [18:33] <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
  327. # [18:33] <adrianba> paulc: we will carry this item forward and the chairs will follow-up with mike
  328. # [18:33] <Zakim> +Mike
  329. # [18:33] <adrianba> mjs: think things are configured correctly
  330. # [18:33] <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike-goog
  331. # [18:33] <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
  332. # [18:33] <Zakim> +Mike.a
  333. # [18:34] <mjs> MikeSmith, Zakim just got your voice mail
  334. # [18:34] * rubys "Hi this is Mike, you reached us on google-voice, please leave a message"
  335. # [18:34] <adrianba> TOPIC: HTML WG F2F meeting at TPAC
  336. # [18:34] <adrianba> paulc: thur and fri nov 4/5
  337. # [18:34] <adrianba> ...sent a reminder to the wg about this
  338. # [18:35] <paulc> See: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Sep/0226.html
  339. # [18:35] <pimpbot> Title: RE: HTML WG F2F meeting, Nov 4-5 at TPAC 2010, Lyon, France from Paul Cotton on 2010-09-22 (public-html@w3.org from September 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  340. # [18:35] <adrianba> ...chairs are planning to follow the unconference style again
  341. # [18:35] <adrianba> ...the way that works is that we have lightning talks on the first day to generate topics
  342. # [18:35] <adrianba> ...and organise the agenda from there
  343. # [18:35] <adrianba> ...plenary is on wed, the day before
  344. # [18:35] <adrianba> ...i've been asked to organise a panel on html v.next
  345. # [18:36] <adrianba> ...soliciting participants to talk about everything beyond html5
  346. # [18:36] <adrianba> ...wg members might be interested in helping
  347. # [18:36] <adrianba> ...also sent to a11y tf - some people interested in participating on topics
  348. # [18:36] <adrianba> ...also suggested topics related to 3d work outside w3c
  349. # [18:36] <Zakim> -Mike
  350. # [18:37] <adrianba> ...if wg members have topics they are interested in in advance that will help
  351. # [18:37] <adrianba> ...tpac registration closes in october and there is a daily fee that goes up drastically after that date
  352. # [18:37] <adrianba> ...details in the mail thread
  353. # [18:37] <adrianba> janina: i can't imagine we wouldn't want to spend time on a11y work, just not sure what topics yet
  354. # [18:38] <adrianba> ...agenda driven by who is able to attend
  355. # [18:38] <adrianba> paulc: yes, like the wg as a whole
  356. # [18:38] <adrianba> ...we'll run an unconference meeting based on who is there
  357. # [18:38] <adrianba> ...we should have some concrete proposals and having the opportunity to discuss f2f will help move forward
  358. # [18:38] <adrianba> janina: always thought conferences good for this
  359. # [18:39] <adrianba> ...i also have a request - i think it would be valuable to have a html5 a11y presentation on the plenary day
  360. # [18:39] <adrianba> ...think media would be the strongest topic - using html5 for media delivery on whatever platform
  361. # [18:39] <adrianba> ...the fact that we're addressing this area is the biggest news that people might not be aware of
  362. # [18:40] <adrianba> ...and would be useful on the plenary day
  363. # [18:40] <adrianba> TOPIC: Other business
  364. # [18:40] <adrianba> paulc: anyone?
  365. # [18:40] <adrianba> TOPIC: Scribe for next meeting
  366. # [18:40] <adrianba> paulc: any volunteers to scribe?
  367. # [18:40] <adrianba> ...chairs will find somebody
  368. # [18:41] <adrianba> TOPIC: Adjournment
  369. # [18:41] <adrianba> paulc: adjourned, thanks
  370. # [18:41] <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
  371. # [18:41] <paulc> Meeting adjourned at :38
  372. # [18:41] <MikeSmith> Zakim, drop Mike
  373. # [18:41] <Zakim> Mike.a is being disconnected
  374. # [18:41] <Laura> bye
  375. # [18:41] <Zakim> -Mike.a
  376. # [18:41] <Zakim> - +1.732.238.aaaa
  377. # [18:41] <Zakim> -mjs
  378. # [18:41] <Zakim> -Janina
  379. # [18:41] <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
  380. # [18:41] <Zakim> -Sam
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  383. # [18:41] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  384. # [18:41] <Zakim> -[Apple]
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  386. # [18:41] <Zakim> -Laura_Carlson
  387. # [18:41] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.aa]
  388. # [18:41] <rubys> rrsagent, publish minutes
  389. # [18:41] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/23-html-wg-minutes.html rubys
  390. # [18:41] <adrianba> rrsagent, make minutes
  391. # [18:41] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/23-html-wg-minutes.html adrianba
  392. # [18:41] <adrianba> rrsagent, make logs public
  393. # [18:41] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, adrianba
  394. # [18:46] <adrianba> zakim, who is here?
  395. # [18:46] <Zakim> On the phone I see [Microsoft.a]
  396. # [18:46] <Zakim> [Microsoft.a] has paulc
  397. # [18:46] <Zakim> On IRC I see arronei, cyns, Zakim, mjs, eliot, paulc, rubys, adrianba, oedipus, Martijnc, aroben, MikeSmith, Lachy, tlr, laplink, kennyluck, gavin__, Julian, dsinger, Hixie, gavin,
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  400. # [18:46] <adrianba> zakim, bye
  401. # [18:46] <Zakim> leaving. As of this point the attendees were dsinger, +1.732.238.aaaa, eliot, Sam, [Microsoft], paulc, adrianba, franko, Janina, mjs, Michael_Cooper, Cynthia_Shelly,
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  404. # [18:46] <adrianba> rrsagent, make minutes
  405. # [18:46] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/23-html-wg-minutes.html adrianba
  406. # [18:46] <pimpbot> Title: HTML Weekly Teleconference -- 23 Sep 2010 (at www.w3.org)
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  412. # [19:15] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 10694] Specify window.console" (5 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0876.html>
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  417. # [19:45] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Suggest that 'data-*-*' should allow the prefix to be changed in libraries. (whatwg r5469) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Sep/0067.html>
  418. # [19:45] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9828] Update "Embedding custom non-visible data" with guidance for library authors to avoid naming collisions <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0878.html> ** [Bug 9503] change controller for text/html-sandboxed media type <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0877.html>
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  421. # [20:15] <pimpbot> changes: microdata; hixie: Let W3C deal with the registries. (whatwg r5470) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Sep/0070.html> ** SSE; hixie: Let W3C deal with the registries. (whatwg r5470) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Sep/0069.html> ** hixie: Let W3C deal with the registries. (whatwg r5470) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Sep/0068.html>
  422. # [20:15] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10707] New: Mention that <track label> gets used in UI, so that authors know what it's for! <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0879.html>
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  425. # [20:45] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10708] change normative alt text authoring requirements to informative advice <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0881.html> ** [Bug 10708] New: change normative alt text authoring requirements to informative advice <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0880.html>
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