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  6. # [00:16] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Allow timers to be delayed when power usage is an issue. (whatwg r5535) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Sep/0146.html> ** hixie: Make a second (bogus) <body> reset the frameset-ok flag. (whatwg r5534) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Sep/0145.html> ** hixie: WebSRT: Allow newlines between tags. Also, typo fix. (whatwg r5533) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html
  7. # [00:18] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10586] For good French typography, we need a sup span. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1326.html> ** [Bug 10633] Minimums for timer granularity should be left to the user agent - different form factors have different power requirements <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1325.html> ** [Bug 10173] Rendering of replaced content and foreign content <http://lists.w3.o
  8. # [00:47] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Update references to base64 (whatwg r5536) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Sep/0147.html>
  9. # [00:49] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10113] make </rt> optional (in syntax and parser) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1332.html> ** [Bug 10631] Named access on the Window object doesn't work for XHTML documents in WebKit, Firefox, or (trivially) IE. Dumping objects in the global scope is sad face. Can we restrict this behavior to HTML documents? (The bug for implementing this in XHTML was rece <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public
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  17. # [01:19] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10647] shadowBlur should be linear throughout rather than changing to sqrt() above 8px <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1341.html> ** "[Bug 10380] Description of IDL sets for enumerated attributes does not appear to match reality" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1340.html> ** [Bug 10625] Spec should cover stopping parsing on location.href =
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  21. # [01:47] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: redundant (whatwg r5541) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Sep/0152.html> ** hixie: Make the .method IDL attribute return lowercase values. (whatwg r5540) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Sep/0151.html> ** hixie: Default input.size to 20. (whatwg r5539) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Sep/0150.html> ** 2Dapi; hixie: Change how canvas blur is c
  22. # [01:49] <pimpbot> planet: Mozilla Labs is hiring! <http://mozillalabs.com/blog/2010/09/mozilla-labs-is-hiring/>
  23. # [01:49] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10666] textarea.cols should default to 20, and textarea.rows should default to 2. IE8 and WebKit do this; Opera defaults to 0 and Gecko defaults to -1. Of the three behaviors, IE/WebKit makes the most sense, and I'm submitting a patch to get Gecko to line up w <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1355.html> ** [Bug 10647] shadowBlur should be linear throughout rather than changing to sqrt() above 8px <http
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  28. # [02:20] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Be more pedantic about 'codecs'. (whatwg r5544) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Sep/0156.html> ** hixie: copy pasta (whatwg r5543) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Sep/0155.html> ** sam: Tweak date <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Sep/0154.html> ** hixie: better defaults for textarea.rows and .cols (whatwg r5542) <http://lists.w3.org/Archi
  29. # [02:20] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9628] Algorithm for detecting the charaset="" parameter. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1365.html> ** "[Bug 10202] use of "codecs" parameter" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1364.html> ** [Bug 9590] Consider "prefix--" instead of "_prefix-" as a pattern for proprietary extensions <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla
  30. # [02:51] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10642] No alternative text description for video key frame (poster) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1367.html> ** [Bug 10656] The spec says that for scripts the BOM overrides the HTTP charset <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1366.html>
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  32. # [03:21] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Match Gecko for character encoding processing for <script> (whatwg r5545) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Sep/0157.html>
  33. # [03:21] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 10656] The spec says that for scripts the BOM overrides the HTTP charset" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1369.html>
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  37. # [03:51] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9590] Consider "prefix--" instead of "_prefix-" as a pattern for proprietary extensions <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1370.html>
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  41. # [04:21] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 9628] Algorithm for detecting the charaset="" parameter." (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1372.html>
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  51. # [06:22] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9894] The chairs should be required to ensure that decisions result in consistent specifications <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1374.html> ** [Bug 10799] New: drawImage/pattern filters underspecified <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1373.html>
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  59. # [06:52] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10625] Spec should cover stopping parsing on location.href = "foo" <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1375.html>
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  65. # [07:50] <pimpbot> planet: About HTML5 Boilerplate <http://robert.accettura.com/blog/2010/09/28/about-html5-boilerplate/>
  66. # [07:52] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 9590] Consider "prefix--" instead of "_prefix-" as a pattern for proprietary extensions" (4 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1379.html>
  67. # [08:22] <pimpbot> changes: SSE; hixie: typo (whatwg r5547) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Sep/0160.html> ** hixie: typo (whatwg r5547) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Sep/0159.html>
  68. # [08:22] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10692] Fix coercion to Infoset for HTML5 to correctly preserve xmlns attributes <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1385.html> ** [Bug 10676] I implies ITALIC, which is styling. Styling should be done with CSS, not with HTML markup <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1384.html> ** [Bug 10675] B implies BOLD, which is styling. Styling should be done with CSS, not with HTM
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  74. # [08:52] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10559] blur() is handy, and should not be ignored <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1388.html> ** [Bug 10694] Specify window.console <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1387.html> ** [Bug 10693] Need a means for navigating between related timed tracks of media elements <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1386.html>
  75. # [09:23] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Oops, forgot that numbers and Numbers were distinct in JS. (whatwg r5549) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Sep/0161.html>
  76. # [09:23] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10711] Playlist! We need it to <em>easy</em> define. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1397.html> ** [Bug 10635] I could be reading the spec wrong, but are the default flow behaviors for these elements undefined? Will an article be rendered as a block-level element, or have no effect on flow at all? I've found several top-teir web-dev ref sites which all have differ <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/
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  79. # [09:53] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: typo (whatwg r5551) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Sep/0163.html> ** hixie: Require label for <input type=button> (whatwg r5550) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Sep/0162.html>
  80. # [09:53] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10320] Allow an arbitrary string as the voice for forwards compatilbity <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1416.html> ** [Bug 10750] Step 6 of "collect WebSRT cue voice and text" modified the "raw text of the cue" <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1415.html> ** [Bug 10749] Should it be required that id is not the empty string? Otherwise it will match any WebSRT cues w
  81. # [10:23] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: omitting a content attribute value makes no sense (whatwg r5556) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Sep/0165.html> ** hixie: don't encourage use of 'class' so much (whatwg r5555) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Sep/0164.html>
  82. # [10:23] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10511] fragment identifier algo should use scroll element into view <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1429.html> ** [Bug 10767] The <progress> and <meter> elements' value IDL attribute should be constrained by the range. Just like with <input type=range>. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1428.html> ** [Bug 10202] use of "codecs" parameter <http://lists.w3.org/Arc
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  90. # [11:23] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10320] Allow an arbitrary string as the voice for forwards compatilbity <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1435.html>
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  97. # [11:53] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10800] Reconsider form feed (U+000C) conformance <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1438.html> ** [Bug 10564] There is no "rightmargin" attribute. This should be "leftmargin". <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1437.html> ** [Bug 10800] New: Reconsider form feed (U+000C) conformance <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1436.html>
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  104. # [14:24] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10807] New: i18n comment 1 : new attribute: ubi <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1458.html> ** [Bug 10805] treating single quotes as double quotes not needed for compatibility with existing content <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1457.html> ** "[Bug 10806] ignoring escapes is not needed for compatibility with existing content" (4 messages in thread) <http://lis
  105. # [14:35] <Julian> hsivonen, do you have a few cycles to discuss validity of xml:space?
  106. # [14:36] <hsivonen> Julian: I suppose I have a few
  107. # [14:36] <Julian> ack
  108. # [14:36] <hsivonen> Julian: xml:space is already treated as valid by V.nu, right?
  109. # [14:36] <Julian> with the lastest change in the spec, it's allowed everywhere, right?
  110. # [14:36] <Julian> But
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  112. # [14:36] <hsivonen> right
  113. # [14:36] <Julian> validator.nu doesn't like
  114. # [14:36] <Julian> # <link href="x" rel="y" xml:space="default"/>↩
  115. # [14:36] <Julian> in XHTML
  116. # [14:37] <Julian> Error: Bad value default for attribute xml:space on XHTML element link.
  117. # [14:37] <hsivonen> what about preserve?
  118. # [14:37] <Julian> so it appears to check an XHTML1 constraint
  119. # [14:37] <Julian> it allows that
  120. # [14:37] <Julian> yes
  121. # [14:37] <hsivonen> ok. so it doesn't allow the useless value default
  122. # [14:37] <Julian> I think botjh are disallowed in XHTML 1 (on <link>)
  123. # [14:37] <hsivonen> I guess it could be changed to allow redundant values
  124. # [14:38] <anne> XHTML1 does not allow it on <link>
  125. # [14:38] <anne> I don't really understand why xml:space exists. It's a waste of time
  126. # [14:38] <Julian> well, one question is: what's the right thing for the spec to say, and (2): are the spec and the validator in sync
  127. # [14:38] <Julian> anne, right; I personally would like the spec to be consistent with XHTML1
  128. # [14:39] <hsivonen> Julian: the schema has:
  129. # [14:39] <hsivonen> attribute xml:space {
  130. # [14:39] <hsivonen> string "preserve" # REVISIT this is not allowed per spec
  131. # [14:39] <hsivonen> } & XMLonly
  132. # [14:39] <Julian> aha
  133. # [14:39] <hsivonen> I can change that
  134. # [14:40] <Julian> yes, but what does it mean to allow xml:space=preserve on <p>
  135. # [14:40] <Julian> ?
  136. # [14:40] <hsivonen> Julian: the same it means on <pre>
  137. # [14:40] <hsivonen> Julian: i.e. nothing in particular
  138. # [14:40] <Julian> I wonder why we can't just say that the validity constraint is as per XHTML1
  139. # [14:41] <hsivonen> Julian: but editors can use it as a hint of where to rewrap lines automatically
  140. # [14:41] <anne> 1) we don't have validity and 2) XHTML1 does not make sense
  141. # [14:41] <Julian> yes, but specifying it that way indicates an authoring mistake; exactly what a validator should report...
  142. # [14:41] <hsivonen> Julian: why would you add an artificial constraint?
  143. # [14:41] <Julian> Anne, we have conformance, which is just a different term for validity
  144. # [14:41] <anne> not in XML sense
  145. # [14:42] <Julian> the constraint would be the same as in XHTML1 where xml:space is only allowed on few elements, and MUST then be set to "preserve"
  146. # [14:42] <Julian> (I think)
  147. # [14:42] <hsivonen> Julian: what if someone wants to disable line rewrapping in oXygen for elements that XHTML 1.0 didn't allow xml:space on?
  148. # [14:42] <Julian> http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/dtds.html#a_dtd_XHTML-1.0-Strict
  149. # [14:42] <pimpbot> Title: XHTML 1.0 - DTDs (at www.w3.org)
  150. # [14:43] <Julian> that may be a new use case I haven't thought of.
  151. # [14:43] <hsivonen> Julian: so do you want the validator to allow xml:space="default" on something?
  152. # [14:43] <Julian> mainly I want the validator to reflect what the spec says
  153. # [14:43] <hsivonen> Julian: what use case have you heard of?
  154. # [14:43] <hsivonen> Julian: that's the only use case I'm aware of
  155. # [14:43] <Julian> and the spec to be compatible with XHTML1
  156. # [14:43] <anne> what does compatible mean here?
  157. # [14:43] <hsivonen> compatibility with XHTML1 is not a use case
  158. # [14:43] <anne> surely a superset is compatible
  159. # [14:44] <Julian> I'm open to relaxing the XHTML1 requirements if there's a use case
  160. # [14:44] <anne> and what do you think xml:space does exactly?
  161. # [14:44] <Julian> anne, it affects XHTML when treated through generic XML tools
  162. # [14:44] <Julian> like an XML editor (see above)
  163. # [14:44] <hsivonen> Julian: affects how? other than the editor behavior
  164. # [14:45] <anne> editors should really have namespace knowledge if they want to be useful; having to add silly xml:space attributes to a few elements manually is just a burden on end users they could avoid
  165. # [14:45] <Julian> for instance, in IE's XSLT it affects whitespace collapsing
  166. # [14:45] <hsivonen> anne: I agree
  167. # [14:45] <Julian> Anne, yes, but that's not the point
  168. # [14:45] <hsivonen> Julian: I think that's a bug in IE's XSLT
  169. # [14:46] <anne> Julian, that sounds like a bug
  170. # [14:46] <Julian> tell me about it :-)
  171. # [14:46] <hsivonen> Julian: surely we aren't designing for bugs
  172. # [14:46] <hsivonen> Julian: or surely you aren't. :-)
  173. # [14:46] <Julian> the answer is that no spec requires them to preserve whitespace
  174. # [14:46] <hsivonen> (we often are :-)
  175. # [14:46] <hsivonen> Julian: HTML5 requires whitespace to be preserved
  176. # [14:46] <Julian> I'm not asking for xml:space because of IE bugs
  177. # [14:46] <hsivonen> Julian: what in XML 1.0 permits non-preservation?
  178. # [14:47] <Julian> I'm just asking for compat with XHTML 1.0 and consistency between spec and validator
  179. # [14:47] <hsivonen> Julian: but suppose we wanted to work around bugs, shouldn't we allow xml:space="preserve" on <html>?
  180. # [14:47] <hsivonen> Julian: do you have more than a principle as a reason for asking for consistency with XHTML1?
  181. # [14:47] <Julian> henri, again, I'm not against relaxing constraints.
  182. # [14:48] <Julian> henri, compat with existing content?
  183. # [14:48] <hsivonen> ok, so the spec and validator already relax the constraints and you aren't against
  184. # [14:48] <hsivonen> Julian: relaxing is compatible with existing content
  185. # [14:48] <Julian> yes
  186. # [14:48] <Julian> so allow it everywhere with both values, both in the spec, and in the validator
  187. # [14:48] <hsivonen> so the bit left to discuss is whether the validator should allow xml:space="default" or whether the spec should ban it
  188. # [14:49] <hsivonen> Julian: OK. I can do that now
  189. # [14:49] <Julian> yes
  190. # [14:50] <Julian> there's the tiny problem that saying "preserve" on elements other than style/script/pre appears to be nonsense
  191. # [14:51] <Julian> henri, I'll dig out a statement from MS about theír broken whitespace handling in IE and forward it to you; this may take some time
  192. # [14:52] <hsivonen> Julian: AFAICT, saying xml:space on any element at all is equal nonsense
  193. # [14:52] <hsivonen> but I've personally used xml:space when working in oXygen
  194. # [14:53] <hsivonen> I can't a current version of oXygen, because my license was for an old version of oXygen that stopped working when I upgraded Eclipse
  195. # [14:54] <Julian> henri, being able to say "preserve" when, for some reason, the default is not to, is useful if the tool doesn't know the vocabulary.
  196. # [14:54] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10815] New: i18n comment 10 : block elements with display:inline should get ubi instead of default dir <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1471.html> ** [Bug 10814] New: i18n comment 9 : block-display elements should act as UBA paragraph breaks <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1470.html> ** [Bug 10813] New: i18n comment 8 : line breaks in dialog text <http://lists.
  197. # [15:04] <hsivonen> Julian: http://html5.validator.nu/?doc=http%3A%2F%2Fhsivonen.iki.fi%2Ftest%2Fmoz%2Fxml-space-default.xhtml&showsource=yes
  198. # [15:04] <pimpbot> Title: (X)HTML5 validation results for http://hsivonen.iki.fi/test/moz/xml-space-default.xhtml (at html5.validator.nu)
  199. # [15:04] <hsivonen> Julian: thanks for reporting the bug
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  201. # [15:11] <Julian> ack
  202. # [15:24] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10828] New: i18n comment 4 : new attribute: bidibreak <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1484.html> ** [Bug 10827] New: i18n comment 23 : script dialog text direction <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1483.html> ** [Bug 10826] New: i18n comment 22 : location of an element's vertical scrollbar when it is not the user agent window's overall vertical scrollbar <http:/
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  205. # [15:38] <CIA-1> v.nu-syntax: hsivonen * r565 /trunk/relaxng/common.rnc: Allow xml:space="default" per spec rev 5527.
  206. # [15:54] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10831] New: Provide tablist and tab states for menu and command elements respectively <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1488.html> ** [Bug 10830] New: i18n comment : Please add support for rb <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1487.html> ** [Bug 10829] New: i18n comment : ruby code samples <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1486.html
  207. # [16:24] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9895] HTMLImageElement's "complete" attribute definition implies immediate image decoding <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1491.html> ** [Bug 10831] Provide tablist and tab states for menu and command elements respectively <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1490.html> ** [Bug 10832] New: The scroll event is also a "magic event handler" in that <body onscroll> registe
  208. # [16:52] <pimpbot> planet: http://diveintohtml5.org/ cracked 3 million pageviews. 1 page = 1 chapter. Average reading time per chapter: 4:01 minutes. Content is king. <http://twitter.com/diveintomark/statuses/25884350367>
  209. # [17:25] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10798] Find a new home for Selection <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1493.html> ** [Bug 10833] New: The element should only suffer from being missing if all of the checkbox choices are unselected - like radio buttons <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1492.html>
  210. # [17:55] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10333] Spec form.encoding := form.enctype <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1497.html> ** [Bug 8740] How do pseudo-class selectors interact with WAI-ARIA? <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1496.html> ** [Bug 10808] i18n comment 2 : new dir attribute value: auto, and a new attribute: autodirmethod <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/14
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  213. # [18:25] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10753] Typo: "occurance" instead of "occurrence". <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1505.html> ** [Bug 10815] i18n comment 10 : block elements with display:inline should get ubi instead of default dir <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1504.html> ** [Bug 10814] i18n comment 9 : block-display elements should act as UBA paragraph breaks <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/
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  218. # [19:25] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10635] I could be reading the spec wrong, but are the default flow behaviors for these elements undefined? Will an article be rendered as a block-level element, or have no effect on flow at all? I've found several top-teir web-dev ref sites which all have differ <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1513.html> ** [Bug 10834] Garbage collection is the wrong level of abstraction <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/
  219. # [19:55] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10635] I could be reading the spec wrong, but are the default flow behaviors for these elements undefined? Will an article be rendered as a block-level element, or have no effect on flow at all? I've found several top-teir web-dev ref sites which all have differ <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1515.html> ** [Bug 10694] Specify window.console <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/20
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  221. # [20:25] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10694] Specify window.console <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1516.html>
  222. # [20:55] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: typo (whatwg r5558) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Sep/0171.html> ** hixie: Add the remaining MathML entities -- the ones that expand to two characters. (whatwg r5557) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Sep/0170.html> ** postmsg; hixie: Add the remaining MathML entities -- the ones that expand to two characters. (whatwg r5557) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-htm
  223. # [20:55] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10546] It looks like at least some browsers restrict legend display values to "block" <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1525.html> ** [Bug 10771] New: User agents disagree with each other and with the spec on rendering of multiple legends if the first one is styled <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1524.html> ** [Bug 10770] Should it really be OK to have timestamps w
  224. # [21:26] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Canonical mapping for EUC-JP for compat reasons. (whatwg r5560) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Sep/0172.html>
  225. # [21:26] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 7444] EUC-JP and ISO-2022-JP also need replacement encodings: CP51932 (or eucJP-ms) and CP50221." (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1536.html> ** "[Bug 10648] "When the relevant content attributes are absent, the IDL attributes must return zero." Surely this is redundant with the rules for reflecting doubles?" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-htm
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  233. # [22:56] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10666] textarea.cols should default to 20, and textarea.rows should default to 2. IE8 and WebKit do this; Opera defaults to 0 and Gecko defaults to -1. Of the three behaviors, IE/WebKit makes the most sense, and I'm submitting a patch to get Gecko to line up w <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1555.html> ** [Bug 10665] These tables should include obsolete elements somewhere, for the benefit of implementers
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  237. # [23:26] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 10836] Several legacy attributes should reflect as URLs, not strings" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1557.html>
  238. # [23:54] <pimpbot> planet: IE9’s faster, more capable Compatibility View List <http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2010/09/29/ie9-s-faster-more-capable-compatibility-view-list.aspx>
  239. # [23:56] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10837] New: playbackrate: undefined behavior when the user agent can't play back at the requested rate <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1559.html> ** [Bug 10834] Garbage collection is the wrong level of abstraction <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1558.html>
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