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  7. # [00:26] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 10837] playbackrate: undefined behavior when the user agent can't play back at the requested rate" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1562.html> ** [Bug 9590] Consider "prefix--" instead of "_prefix-" as a pattern for proprietary extensions <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1560.html>
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  9. # [00:57] <pimpbot> changes: eliot: Edited language in <noscript> recommendation <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Sep/0175.html> ** hixie: Change how vendor extensions are marked up. (whatwg r5562) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Sep/0174.html> ** hixie: Adding the <s> element to the language. (whatwg r5561) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Sep/0173.html>
  10. # [00:57] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 9590] Consider "prefix--" instead of "_prefix-" as a pattern for proprietary extensions" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1567.html> ** [Bug 7444] EUC-JP and ISO-2022-JP also need replacement encodings: CP51932 (or eucJP-ms) and CP50221. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1565.html> ** "[Bug 9429] Unobsolete the <strike> element - instead sugg
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  13. # [01:27] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10838] New: Make <u> conforming. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1569.html> ** [Bug 10154] [polyglot] i18n comment 7 : Named entity references <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1568.html>
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  16. # [01:57] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10837] playbackrate: undefined behavior when the user agent can't play back at the requested rate <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1571.html> ** [Bug 10809] i18n comment 3 : new attribute: submitdir <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1570.html>
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  18. # [02:27] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10839] Providing visible indication that descriptions and captions are available. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1573.html> ** [Bug 10839] New: Providing visible indication that descriptions and captions are available. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1572.html>
  19. # [02:57] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10840] Allow the user to independently adjust the volumes of the audio description and original soundtracks. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1585.html> ** [Bug 10844] Mono ruby, group ruby, and jukugo ruby <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1584.html> ** [Bug 10844] New: Mono ruby, group ruby, and jukugo ruby <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzi
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  26. # [03:57] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: typo (whatwg r5564) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Sep/0177.html> ** hixie: Revamp how the foreign lands are defined to make it easier to add the U+0000 handling. This checkin should have no normative effect. If there are any normative changes in this patch, that's a bug, pleasel let me know ASAP. (whatwg r5563) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Sep/0176.html>
  27. # [03:57] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9659] Initial U+0000 should not set frameset-ok to "not ok" <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1587.html> ** [Bug 10845] New: Clarify the difference between @srcdoc documents and @srcdoc value <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1586.html>
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  30. # [04:27] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9843] Specced behavior for document.write("<link rel=stylesheet href=...><script>...</script>...") matches none of the top 4 engines <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1589.html> ** [Bug 9767] Consider ignoring document.write() when IE ignores it if comes from the network task source <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1588.html>
  31. # [04:58] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10838] Make <u> conforming. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1590.html>
  32. # [05:28] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10804] charset sniffing: please describe the incompatibility <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1592.html> ** [Bug 10805] treating single quotes as double quotes not needed for compatibility with existing content <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1591.html>
  33. # [05:58] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10804] charset sniffing: please describe the incompatibility <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1595.html> ** [Bug 10806] ignoring escapes is not needed for compatibility with existing content <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1594.html> ** [Bug 10809] i18n comment 3 : new attribute: submitdir <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1593.h
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  35. # [06:28] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: List some of the differences, to make Julian happier. (whatwg r5565) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Sep/0178.html>
  36. # [06:28] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10355] Kill most or all of the special IDL attributes for marquee <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1599.html> ** "[Bug 9843] Specced behavior for document.write("<link rel=stylesheet href=...><script>...</script>...") matches none of the top 4 engines" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1598.html> ** "[Bug 10804] charset sniffing: please descri
  37. # [06:58] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10809] i18n comment 3 : new attribute: submitdir <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1611.html> ** [Bug 10410] On getting, should the UA percent-decode document.location.hash? It's not clear. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1610.html> ** [Bug 7444] EUC-JP and ISO-2022-JP also need replacement encodings: CP51932 (or eucJP-ms) and CP50221. <http://lists.w3.org/Archi
  38. # [08:59] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10410] On getting, should the UA percent-decode document.location.hash? It's not clear. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1614.html> ** [Bug 10838] Make <u> conforming. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1613.html> ** [Bug 7444] EUC-JP and ISO-2022-JP also need replacement encodings: CP51932 (or eucJP-ms) and CP50221. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-htm
  39. # [09:29] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 10838] Make <u> conforming." (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1618.html> ** [Bug 10589] figure and figcaption shouldn't automatically close p <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1616.html> ** [Bug 9767] Consider ignoring document.write() when IE ignores it if comes from the network task source <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html
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  42. # [09:59] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10806] ignoring escapes is not needed for compatibility with existing content <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1635.html> ** [Bug 10845] Clarify the difference between @srcdoc documents and @srcdoc value <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1634.html> ** [Bug 10843] Support user control over the visual presentation of caption text. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Publ
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  46. # [10:29] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Remove confusing paragraphs (whatwg r5567) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Sep/0180.html> ** hixie: Put method=DELETE and method=PUT to rest. (whatwg r5566) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Sep/0179.html>
  47. # [10:29] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10738] Insert 'data-' in the heading/table of contents (editorial) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1651.html> ** [Bug 10804] charset sniffing: please describe the incompatibility <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1650.html> ** "[Bug 10806] ignoring escapes is not needed for compatibility with existing content" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives
  48. # [10:59] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: vaguely push people towards a polyglot-compatible doctype (whatwg r5570) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Sep/0183.html> ** hixie: remove anything to do with ARIA from the definitions of table elements (whatwg r5569) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Sep/0182.html> ** hixie: title change (whatwg r5568) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Sep/0181.html
  49. # [10:59] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10693] Need a means for navigating between related timed tracks of media elements <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1673.html> ** [Bug 10672] the media element onplay event is not always called when the user hits the play button <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1672.html> ** [Bug 10842] Support the isolation of speech from other background sounds in AV media <htt
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  51. # [11:29] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10802] Limit the number of identical items on the list of active formatting elements by removing previous duplicates when adding new items <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1686.html> ** [Bug 10831] Provide tablist and tab states for menu and command elements respectively <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1685.html> ** [Bug 10801] Limit the number of iterations in th
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  53. # [11:59] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10806] ignoring escapes is not needed for compatibility with existing content <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1698.html> ** "[Bug 10642] No alternative text description for video key frame (poster)" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1697.html> ** [Bug 10803] Ignore document.written charset metas <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-
  54. # [12:29] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10844] Mono ruby, group ruby, and jukugo ruby <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1703.html> ** [Bug 10806] ignoring escapes is not needed for compatibility with existing content <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1702.html> ** [Bug 10844] Mono ruby, group ruby, and jukugo ruby <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1701.html> ** "[Bug
  55. # [13:00] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10798] Find a new home for Selection <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1705.html> ** [Bug 10635] I could be reading the spec wrong, but are the default flow behaviors for these elements undefined? Will an article be rendered as a block-level element, or have no effect on flow at all? I've found several top-teir web-dev ref sites which all have differ <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugz
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  58. # [13:22] <Julian> anne, was I also trolling when I pointed out the bug that hixie already fixed?
  59. # [13:28] <anne> dunno
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  61. # [13:30] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10805] treating single quotes as double quotes not needed for compatibility with existing content <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1708.html> ** [Bug 10642] No alternative text description for video key frame (poster) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1707.html> ** [Bug 10847] New: Could small be achieved with a more general statement? Eg, Legal, notice etc. Its ver
  62. # [13:32] <anne> Julian, don't think so no
  63. # [13:32] <anne> (having looked at it now)
  64. # [13:32] <anne> why?
  65. # [13:37] <Julian> I was just wondering whether questioning "willful violations", and checking them with test cases now always is called "trolling", or whether it depends on the specific case.
  66. # [13:38] <anne> it's trolling because all impls do one thing and rather than figuring out why that is so and working with them to do something else you try to solve it via the Process which will ultimately hang on impls not doing what the spec says
  67. # [13:39] <Julian> it's incorrect to say "all do that"
  68. # [13:39] <anne> all minus konquerer, which we never take into account
  69. # [13:40] <Julian> also, I *do* plan to resolve this in the other implementations as well, but to do that, it would be helpful if the specs said the same thing
  70. # [13:40] <Julian> ah, "we"
  71. # [13:40] <Julian> Why not?
  72. # [13:40] <anne> no market share?
  73. # [13:41] <anne> there might be all kinds of obscure UAs out there that do not match the major implementations; but when it comes down to deciding what is likely important they are not all that reelvant
  74. # [13:41] <anne> (minus typos)
  75. # [13:42] <Julian> ok, so does Opera count? It appears to do the right thing for my test case.
  76. # [13:42] <anne> we are changing our behavior
  77. # [13:42] <anne> as I indicated
  78. # [13:43] <anne> we have found encountered several problems with not doing charset matching like Firefox -- and it seems WebKit has found the same; just didn't make it into Safari quite yet
  79. # [13:44] <anne> what would be interesting here is whether UAs handle quoted strings with escapes throughout HTTP
  80. # [13:44] <anne> and is there a difference between <meta> and via HTTP headers
  81. # [13:44] <anne> etc.
  82. # [13:44] <Julian> I think you need to supply the data for that; the WG should have the chance to decide what's worse; overriding a base spec, or "breaking" content; to do that, we need more data
  83. # [13:45] <Julian> yes
  84. # [13:45] <anne> we don't need to provide anything
  85. # [13:45] <Julian> aha
  86. # [13:45] <anne> it's pretty clear that for us it makes more sense to match Firefox etc.
  87. # [13:45] <Julian> I know that several UAs do not treat quoted strings properly (in HTTP), but the question is whether it can be fixed
  88. # [13:46] <Julian> I'm sorry, but that's not convincing
  89. # [13:47] <anne> you don't think that makes sense?
  90. # [13:48] <Julian> no, what makes sense is to do what the spec says unless there's proof it can't be done
  91. # [13:48] <anne> hahaha
  92. # [13:48] <Julian> very helpful
  93. # [13:49] <anne> yeah well, i could tell you stories about browser QA, but past experience (and this reply) suggests you will keep the same line of thinking
  94. # [14:00] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10806] ignoring escapes is not needed for compatibility with existing content <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1712.html> ** [Bug 10642] No alternative text description for video key frame (poster) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1711.html> ** [Bug 10805] treating single quotes as double quotes not needed for compatibility with existing content <http://lists.w3
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  98. # [14:28] <Julian> MikeSmith, any news on the link relation type registrations? I haven't seen anything new for ~3 weeks or so...
  99. # [14:28] <MikeSmith> I've had little time to follow up on it personally
  100. # [14:29] <Julian> I would volunteer, but then I'd have to negotiate with myself :-)
  101. # [14:29] <Julian> Maybe ask on public-html for volunteers?
  102. # [14:30] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10642] No alternative text description for video key frame (poster) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1717.html> ** [Bug 10830] i18n comment : Please add support for rb <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1716.html> ** [Bug 10067] this only lists entities whose replacement text is a single character, for example many of the negated operators, for example <http://lis
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  105. # [15:00] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10320] Allow an arbitrary string as the voice for forwards compatilbity <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1722.html> ** [Bug 10642] No alternative text description for video key frame (poster) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1721.html> ** [Bug 10067] this only lists entities whose replacement text is a single character, for example many of the negated operators, fo
  106. # [15:30] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10661] use an ISO 639-2 specified language for HTML5 documents <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1727.html> ** [Bug 10839] Providing visible indication that descriptions and captions are available. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1726.html> ** [Bug 10419] <video> should allow muted as a content attribute <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/
  107. # [15:43] <Julian> Henri, I've got a question on the HTML5 XSLT requirements
  108. # [15:43] <Julian> 8http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#interactions-with-xpath-and-xslt)
  109. # [15:43] <pimpbot> Title: HTML5 (at dev.w3.org)
  110. # [15:43] <Julian> (http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#interactions-with-xpath-and-xslt)
  111. # [15:44] <Julian> "This requirement is a willful violation of the XSLT 1.0 specification, required because this specification changes the namespaces and case-sensitivity rules of HTML in a manner that would otherwise be incompatible with DOM-based XSLT transformations. (Processors that serialize the output are unaffected.) [XSLT10]"
  112. # [15:44] <Julian> the spec talks about outputting to a DOM, but XSLT 1.0 says that output method only applies when the tree is serialized...
  113. # [16:00] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10642] No alternative text description for video key frame (poster) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1736.html> ** [Bug 10849] provide means to add image content catagories to images <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1735.html> ** [Bug 10853] New: HTML5 lacks a verbose description mechanism <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1734.ht
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  116. # [16:30] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10775] how is user to decide which set of access keys to use? <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1743.html> ** [Bug 10642] No alternative text description for video key frame (poster) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1742.html> ** [Bug 9659] Initial U+0000 should not set frameset-ok to "not ok" <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1741
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  119. # [17:01] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10851] Javascript access to rendered (calculated) styling information of a DOM node <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1746.html> ** [Bug 10849] provide means to add image content catagories to images <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1745.html> ** [Bug 10642] No alternative text description for video key frame (poster) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-h
  120. # [17:31] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10853] HTML5 lacks a verbose description mechanism <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1750.html> ** "[Bug 10849] provide means to add image content catagories to images" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1749.html> ** [Bug 10642] No alternative text description for video key frame (poster) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugz
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  122. # [18:01] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10862] Remove the newly added "s" element <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1757.html> ** [Bug 9429] Unobsolete the <strike> element - instead suggest how to use it <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1756.html> ** "[Bug 10862] Remove the newly added "s" element" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/1755.html>
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  125. # [18:03] <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike-goog
  126. # [18:03] <MikeSmith> trackbot, start meeting
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  128. # [18:03] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
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  130. # [18:03] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
  131. # [18:03] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
  132. # [18:03] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  133. # [18:03] <trackbot> Date: 30 September 2010
  134. # [18:03] <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
  135. # [18:03] <Julian> Zakim, who's on the phone?
  136. # [18:03] <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.251.280.aaaa, Radhika_Roy, Michael_Cooper
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  138. # [18:03] <Julian> Zakim, +1.251.280.aaaa is me
  139. # [18:04] <Zakim> +Julian; got it
  140. # [18:04] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  141. # [18:05] <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft] has adrianba, KrisK, Travis
  142. # [18:05] <Zakim> +adrianba, KrisK, Travis; got it
  143. # [18:05] <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike-goog
  144. # [18:05] <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
  145. # [18:05] <Zakim> +Mike
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  149. # [18:07] <eliot> zakim, +1.206.850.aabb is me
  150. # [18:07] <Zakim> +eliot; got it
  151. # [18:08] <MikeSmith> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2010JulSep/0028.html
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  154. # [18:09] <MikeSmith> scribe: MikeSmith
  155. # [18:10] <MikeSmith> Zakim, who's on the phone?
  156. # [18:10] <Zakim> On the phone I see Julian, Radhika_Roy, Michael_Cooper, [Microsoft], Mike, eliot, [Mozilla]
  157. # [18:10] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has adrianba, KrisK, Travis
  158. # [18:10] <MikeSmith> Topic: ACTION items due by Thursday, Sept 30
  159. # [18:10] <MikeSmith> action-187?
  160. # [18:10] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-187
  161. # [18:10] <trackbot> ACTION-187 -- Maciej Stachowiak to inform the group that no comments on issue-9 requirements means they will be accepted -- due 2010-09-30 -- OPEN
  162. # [18:10] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/187
  163. # [18:10] <MikeSmith> rubys: I will get with Maciej about this offline
  164. # [18:11] <MikeSmith> Topic: New Issues This Week
  165. # [18:11] <MikeSmith> issue-125?
  166. # [18:11] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-125
  167. # [18:11] <trackbot> ISSUE-125 -- Requirement to break RFC 2616 compliance with respect to single quotes not needed for legacy content -- raised
  168. # [18:11] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/125
  169. # [18:11] <MikeSmith> issue-126?
  170. # [18:11] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-126
  171. # [18:11] <trackbot> ISSUE-126 -- Requirement to break RFC 2616 compliance with respect to backslashes not needed for legacy content -- raised
  172. # [18:11] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/126
  173. # [18:11] <MikeSmith> issue-127?
  174. # [18:11] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-127
  175. # [18:11] <trackbot> ISSUE-127 -- Simplify characterization of link types -- raised
  176. # [18:11] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/127
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  179. # [18:12] <rubys> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=HTML+WG&keywords=TrackerRequest
  180. # [18:12] <MikeSmith> rubys: we also have 14 tracker requests
  181. # [18:13] <MikeSmith> … so I expect the number of issues to go up
  182. # [18:13] <MikeSmith> Topic: Items Closed Last Week
  183. # [18:13] <MikeSmith> issue-117
  184. # [18:13] <MikeSmith> issue-117?
  185. # [18:13] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-117
  186. # [18:13] <trackbot> ISSUE-117 -- Deprecate the noscript element -- closed
  187. # [18:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/117
  188. # [18:13] <MikeSmith> Topic: Items Closing This week
  189. # [18:13] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Sep/0225.html
  190. # [18:14] <MikeSmith> rubys: first is about canvas accessibility
  191. # [18:14] <MikeSmith> issue-74?
  192. # [18:14] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-74
  193. # [18:14] <trackbot> ISSUE-74 -- How accessibility works for <canvas> is unclear. -- open
  194. # [18:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/74
  195. # [18:14] <MikeSmith> issue-105?
  196. # [18:14] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-105
  197. # [18:14] <trackbot> ISSUE-105 -- allow image maps on the canvas element -- open
  198. # [18:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/105
  199. # [18:14] <MikeSmith> rubys: any comments about how we should proceed on these?
  200. # [18:14] <rubys> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/issue-103-objection-poll
  201. # [18:14] <MikeSmith> issue-103?
  202. # [18:14] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-103
  203. # [18:14] <trackbot> ISSUE-103 -- XML escaping in iframe/@srcdoc -- open
  204. # [18:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/103
  205. # [18:15] <MikeSmith> rubys: that poll completed yesterday
  206. # [18:15] <MikeSmith> Topic: Items Closing Next Week
  207. # [18:15] <MikeSmith> issue-41?
  208. # [18:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-41
  209. # [18:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-41 -- Decentralized extensibility -- open
  210. # [18:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/41
  211. # [18:15] <rubys> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/issue-41-objection-poll/
  212. # [18:15] <MikeSmith> rubys: issue-41 poll is open to Oct 7
  213. # [18:15] <MikeSmith> … Leif had asked for an extension, that has since been resolved, so we will keep in the original schedule
  214. # [18:16] <MikeSmith> Topic: Outstanding Call for proposals
  215. # [18:16] <MikeSmith> issue-118
  216. # [18:16] <MikeSmith> issue-118?
  217. # [18:16] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-118
  218. # [18:16] <trackbot> ISSUE-118 -- Specification breaks semantics of existing link relations "index" and "first" -- raised
  219. # [18:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/118
  220. # [18:16] <MikeSmith> issue-118 poll is due Oct 17
  221. # [18:16] <MikeSmith> issue-122?
  222. # [18:16] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-122
  223. # [18:16] <trackbot> ISSUE-122 -- alt text and description for Lady of Shalott example -- raised
  224. # [18:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/122
  225. # [18:16] <MikeSmith> issue-122 poll is also due Oct 17
  226. # [18:17] <MikeSmith> issue-123?
  227. # [18:17] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-123
  228. # [18:17] <trackbot> ISSUE-123 -- Autofocus attribute security concerns -- raised
  229. # [18:17] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/123
  230. # [18:17] <MikeSmith> issue-123 poll is also due Oct 17
  231. # [18:17] <MikeSmith> issue-119?
  232. # [18:17] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-119
  233. # [18:17] <trackbot> ISSUE-119 -- Certain relationships take on a special meaning when repeated; other solutions may be cleaner -- raised
  234. # [18:17] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/119
  235. # [18:17] <MikeSmith> issue-119 poll is due Oct 24
  236. # [18:18] <MikeSmith> Topic: Outstanding Call for counter proposals
  237. # [18:18] <MikeSmith> issue-27?
  238. # [18:18] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-27
  239. # [18:18] <trackbot> ISSUE-27 -- @rel value ownership, registry consideration -- open
  240. # [18:18] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/27
  241. # [18:18] <MikeSmith> rubys: issue-27, we got input from Mark Nottingham
  242. # [18:18] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Sep/0187.html
  243. # [18:18] <MikeSmith> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Sep/0187.html
  244. # [18:18] <MikeSmith> Topic: New calls this week
  245. # [18:19] <MikeSmith> issue-121?
  246. # [18:19] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-121
  247. # [18:19] <trackbot> ISSUE-121 -- Do not ignore HTTP caching rules -- raised
  248. # [18:19] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/121
  249. # [18:19] <MikeSmith> rubys: proposals for issue-121 are due Oct 30
  250. # [18:19] <MikeSmith> issue-92?
  251. # [18:19] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-92
  252. # [18:19] <trackbot> ISSUE-92 -- Re-write the Table section to remove extraneous material, and provide cleaner description -- open
  253. # [18:19] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/92
  254. # [18:19] <MikeSmith> rubys: issue 92 survey closes Oct 7
  255. # [18:19] <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
  256. # [18:20] <MikeSmith> Topic: Issue updates
  257. # [18:20] <MikeSmith> bug 10066
  258. # [18:20] <rubys> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?bug_id=10463,10594,10467,10618,10464,10593,10444,10487,10614,10446,10449,10493,10478,8000,10451,10438,10445,10462,10486,10450,10441,10496,10592,10452,10485,9817,10603,10440,10479,10447,10439,10591,10465,10481,10448,10494,10600
  259. # [18:20] <MikeSmith> @bug 10066
  260. # [18:21] <MikeSmith> cynthia: in the next day or two, we will be having some discussion about whether any of those need to be reactived
  261. # [18:21] <MikeSmith> issue-85?
  262. # [18:21] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-85
  263. # [18:21] <trackbot> ISSUE-85 -- ARIA roles added to the a element should be conforming in HTML5 -- open
  264. # [18:21] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/85
  265. # [18:22] <MikeSmith> issue-9?
  266. # [18:22] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-9
  267. # [18:22] <trackbot> ISSUE-9 -- how accessibility works for <video> is unclear -- open
  268. # [18:22] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/9
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  270. # [18:22] <MikeSmith> Topic: Testing TF report from Kris K
  271. # [18:22] <krisk> We met as planned on 9/21/2010 and will meet again on 10/5/2010
  272. # [18:22] <krisk> Notes -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2010Sep/0030.html
  273. # [18:23] <krisk> We now have 163 approved tests up from 138 since I last reported.
  274. # [18:23] <krisk> I still expect to be over 200 approved tests when I report back on 10/14/2010
  275. # [18:23] <krisk> Bug #10632 has been fixed, so we currently have zero bugs on approved tests
  276. # [18:23] <krisk> Good discussion on more canvas tests all which have been updated by Philiptaylor per feedback from the group
  277. # [18:23] <krisk> Only exception is http://test.w3.org/html/tests/submission/PhilipTaylor/canvas/2d.missingargs.html
  278. # [18:23] <krisk> The test needs more consensus on the expected exception, current diff http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html/rev/5b059ccfed28
  279. # [18:24] <krisk> Video_008.htm and Video_006.htm have been updated and approved per feedback from Mozilla, Opera
  280. # [18:24] <krisk> I plan extending the schedule for meetings, same time/etc
  281. # [18:24] <krisk> I'll place the new dates on the wiki as well http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/Testing
  282. # [18:24] <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
  283. # [18:24] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/30-html-wg-minutes.html MikeSmith
  284. # [18:24] <krisk> If you have feedback on the time, please send feedback to the list
  285. # [18:25] <MikeSmith> MikeSmith: http://www.w3.org/2010/09/30-html-a11y-minutes.html
  286. # [18:25] <MikeSmith> MikeSmith: the main thing we discussed this week was making sure we had all our bugs filed for the Oct 1 deadline
  287. # [18:26] <MikeSmith> MikeSmith: for those interested, details from our discussion this week in the a11y TF are in the minutes
  288. # [18:27] <Julian> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Sep/0395.html
  289. # [18:27] <MikeSmith> Topic: Any other business
  290. # [18:27] <MikeSmith> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Sep/0395.html
  291. # [18:28] <MikeSmith> Julian: we need somebody from the HTML WG to follow up on the link-relations registry requests
  292. # [18:28] <MikeSmith> action: Sam to assign a member of the HTML WG to follow up on link-relations registry requests
  293. # [18:28] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  294. # [18:28] * RRSAgent records action 2
  295. # [18:28] <trackbot> Created ACTION-188 - Assign a member of the HTML WG to follow up on link-relations registry requests [on Sam Ruby - due 2010-10-07].
  296. # [18:28] <Julian> rubys, sound good
  297. # [18:29] <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
  298. # [18:29] <MikeSmith> Sam will scribe next week
  299. # [18:29] <Zakim> -Radhika_Roy
  300. # [18:29] <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
  301. # [18:29] <Zakim> -Julian
  302. # [18:29] <Zakim> -[Mozilla]
  303. # [18:29] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  304. # [18:29] <Zakim> -eliot
  305. # [18:29] <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
  306. # [18:29] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/30-html-wg-minutes.html MikeSmith
  307. # [18:30] <Laura> bye
  308. # [18:30] <MikeSmith> [chair has adjourned the meeting]
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  311. # [18:30] <MikeSmith> Zakim, drop Mike
  312. # [18:30] <Zakim> Mike is being disconnected
  313. # [18:30] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  314. # [18:30] <Zakim> Attendees were Radhika_Roy, Michael_Cooper, Julian, adrianba, KrisK, Travis, Mike, eliot, [Mozilla], Laura_Carlson, Cynthia_Shelly
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