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  4. # [00:04] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10807] i18n comment 1 : new attribute: ubi <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/1724.html> ** [Bug 10671] consider removing support for PUT and DELETE as form methods <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/1723.html> ** [Bug 10807] i18n comment 1 : new attribute: ubi <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/1722.html> ** [Bug 10902] <video> e
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  7. # [01:04] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10828] i18n comment 4 : new attribute: bidibreak <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/1729.html> ** [Bug 10840] Allow the user to independently adjust the volumes of the audio description and original soundtracks. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/1728.html> ** [Bug 10878] Structured clone algorithm should be updated to support Directed Acyclic Graphs <http://lists.w
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  9. # [01:06] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Make the structured clone algorithm support cycles. (whatwg r5587) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Oct/0021.html>
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  14. # [02:04] <pimpbot> "planet: HTML5: Up and Running \n - O'Reilly Media <\x0311http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596806033\x0f>"
  15. # [02:35] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9659] Initial U+0000 should not set frameset-ok to "not ok" <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/1730.html>
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  17. # [04:35] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10986] New: dataset algorithm for deleting names need not throw SYNTAX_ERR <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/1731.html>
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  21. # [07:06] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10320] Allow an arbitrary string as the voice for forwards compatilbity <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/1732.html>
  22. # [07:36] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 10320] Allow an arbitrary string as the voice for forwards compatilbity" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/1733.html>
  23. # [08:36] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10987] New: option and optgroup elements - flow content? <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/1734.html>
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  25. # [09:06] <pimpbot> planet: Yo Yo, developer killer cross platform mobile Web apps with Jo <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ajaxian/~3/pjR64lrL7Oo/yo-yo-developer-killer-cross-platform-mobile-web-apps-with-jo>
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  27. # [09:36] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10809] i18n comment 3 : new attribute: submitdir <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/1736.html> ** [Bug 9843] Specced behavior for document.write("<link rel=stylesheet href=...><script>...</script>...") matches none of the top 4 engines <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/1735.html>
  28. # [10:06] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10988] add slider element <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/1740.html> ** [Bug 9659] Initial U+0000 should not set frameset-ok to "not ok" <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/1739.html> ** [Bug 10988] New: add slider element <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/1738.html> ** [Bug 10671] consider removing support for PUT and DELETE a
  29. # [10:06] <pimpbot> planet: Yo Yo, develop killer cross platform mobile Web apps with Jo <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ajaxian/~3/pjR64lrL7Oo/yo-yo-developer-killer-cross-platform-mobile-web-apps-with-jo>
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  34. # [11:37] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10828] i18n comment 4 : new attribute: bidibreak <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/1743.html> ** [Bug 10815] i18n comment 10 : block elements with display:inline should get ubi instead of default dir <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/1742.html> ** "[Bug 10988] add slider element" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010
  35. # [12:07] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10922] Use normative keywords (MUST/SHOULD/MAY) in other metadata section <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/1744.html>
  36. # [12:37] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10909] Clarify how fieldset's first legend should behave if the fieldset is disabled because of another disabled fieldset <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/1746.html> ** "[Bug 10922] Use normative keywords (MUST/SHOULD/MAY) in other metadata section" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/1745.html>
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  43. # [14:07] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10521] Should say explicitly that parser-initiated script-running fails without setting 'already started' if the script is no longer in the document when the parser tries to run the script <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/1749.html> ** "[Bug 10988] add slider element" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/1748.html>
  44. # [14:07] <pimpbot> planet: Passing Webcam Data into WebGL via Flash <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ajaxian/~3/pz6cLR6ivNs/passing-webcam-data-into-webgl-via-flash>
  45. # [14:37] <pimpbot> planet: CSS 2.1 “not ready for use” says journalists <http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/2010/css-2-1-not-ready-for-use-says-someone/>
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  47. # [15:08] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9843] Specced behavior for document.write("<link rel=stylesheet href=...><script>...</script>...") matches none of the top 4 engines <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/1752.html> ** [Bug 10971] Polyglot publication should be more careful about UTF-16, UTF-16BE and UTF-16LE <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/1751.html> ** [Bug 10671] consider removing support for PUT an
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  51. # [15:38] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10671] consider removing support for PUT and DELETE as form methods <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/1753.html>
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  55. # [15:40] <pimpbot> changes: sam: Issue 92 survey is complete, comment out withdrawn issue 41 proposal <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Oct/0022.html>
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  59. # [16:38] <pimpbot> planet: CSS 2.1 “not ready for use” says journalist <http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/2010/css-2-1-not-ready-for-use-says-someone/>
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  61. # [17:08] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 10671] consider removing support for PUT and DELETE as form methods" (3 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/1755.html>
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  64. # [17:38] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10815] i18n comment 10 : block elements with display:inline should get ubi instead of default dir <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/1758.html> ** [Bug 10824] i18n comment 20 : list item marker display and position <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/1757.html> ** [Bug 10799] drawImage/pattern filters underspecified <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bu
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  71. # [18:03] <rubys> trackbot, start meeting
  72. # [18:03] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference
  73. # [18:03] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  74. # [18:03] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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  76. # [18:03] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
  77. # [18:03] <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
  78. # [18:03] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  79. # [18:03] <trackbot> Date: 07 October 2010
  80. # [18:03] <rubys> Chair: Maciej Stachowiak
  81. # [18:03] <rubys> scribenick: rubys
  82. # [18:03] <Zakim> +Radhika_Roy
  83. # [18:04] <Zakim> +Norm
  84. # [18:04] <Zakim> +Sam
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  87. # [18:05] <Julian> Zakim, +49.251.280.aaaa is me
  88. # [18:05] <Zakim> +Julian; got it
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  92. # [18:07] <adrianba> zakim, aabb is me
  93. # [18:07] <Zakim> +adrianba; got it
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  95. # [18:07] <Norm> zakim, who's on the phone?
  96. # [18:07] <Zakim> On the phone I see eliot, Radhika_Roy, Norm, Sam, Julian, adrianba
  97. # [18:07] <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike-goog
  98. # [18:07] <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
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  103. # [18:08] <janina> zakim, call janina
  104. # [18:08] <Zakim> ok, janina; the call is being made
  105. # [18:08] <Zakim> +Janina
  106. # [18:08] <janina> zakim, drop janina
  107. # [18:08] <Zakim> Janina is being disconnected
  108. # [18:08] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10988] add slider element <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/1760.html> ** [Bug 10842] Support the isolation of speech from other background sounds in AV media <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/1759.html>
  109. # [18:08] <Zakim> -Janina
  110. # [18:08] * MikeSmith registers apologies for being late --the a11y TF call ran past the hour
  111. # [18:08] <janina> zakim, code?
  112. # [18:08] <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), janina
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  114. # [18:08] <Zakim> +[Apple]
  115. # [18:09] * MikeSmith tries to remember who's chairing today
  116. # [18:09] <mjs> it's me
  117. # [18:09] <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
  118. # [18:09] <Zakim> +Janina_Sajka
  119. # [18:10] <MikeSmith> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2010OctDec/0000.html
  120. # [18:10] <pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG Telecon 2010-09-23 status of calls, issues and bugs, heartbeat drafts from Maciej Stachowiak on 2010-10-06 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from October to December 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  121. # [18:10] <rubys> topic: 1. ACTION items due by Thursday, October 7
  122. # [18:10] <rubys> action-29?
  123. # [18:10] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-29
  124. # [18:10] <trackbot> ACTION-29 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to follow up on the idea of a free-software-compatible license for a note on HTML authoring -- due 2010-10-09 -- OPEN
  125. # [18:10] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/29
  126. # [18:10] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-29 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  127. # [18:10] <MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/agenda
  128. # [18:10] <pimpbot> Title: Input for Agenda Planning for the HTML Weekly - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  129. # [18:11] <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
  130. # [18:11] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/10/07-html-wg-minutes.html MikeSmith
  131. # [18:11] <rubys> mjs: plh is not here... the W3C mgmt is still looking into this, and contemplating a change in direction
  132. # [18:11] <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make logs public
  133. # [18:11] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, MikeSmith
  134. # [18:12] <rubys> ACTION-29 due in one month
  135. # [18:12] * trackbot attempting to change due date on ACTION-29.
  136. # [18:12] <trackbot> ACTION-29 Follow up on the idea of a free-software-compatible license for a note on HTML authoring due date now in one month
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  138. # [18:12] <rubys> action-187?
  139. # [18:12] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-187
  140. # [18:12] <trackbot> ACTION-187 -- Maciej Stachowiak to inform the group that no comments on issue-9 requirements means they will be accepted -- due 2010-09-30 -- OPEN
  141. # [18:12] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/187
  142. # [18:12] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-187 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  143. # [18:12] <rubys> mjs: I've not completed that action yet
  144. # [18:12] <rubys> ACTION-187 due in 1 week
  145. # [18:12] * trackbot attempting to change due date on ACTION-187.
  146. # [18:12] <trackbot> ACTION-187 Inform the group that no comments on issue-9 requirements means they will be accepted due date now in 1 week
  147. # [18:12] <rubys> ACTION-188?
  148. # [18:12] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-188
  149. # [18:12] <trackbot> ACTION-188 -- Sam Ruby to assign a member of the HTML WG to follow up on link-relations registry requests -- due 2010-10-07 -- PENDINGREVIEW
  150. # [18:12] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/188
  151. # [18:12] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-188 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  152. # [18:13] <rubys> http://www.w3.org/mid/20101006145830.GD81427%2540sideshowbarker
  153. # [18:13] <pimpbot> Title: volunteer needed to raise new HTML5 spec bug proposing general link-relations spec change [was: ACTION-188 (was: ACTION-185 (register link relations))] from Michael(tm) Smith on 2010-10-06 (public-html@w3.org from October 2010) (at www.w3.org)
  154. # [18:13] <MikeSmith> q+ to comment
  155. # [18:13] * Zakim sees MikeSmith on the speaker queue
  156. # [18:13] <MikeSmith> ack MikeSmith
  157. # [18:13] <Zakim> MikeSmith, you wanted to comment
  158. # [18:13] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  159. # [18:15] <rubys> mike: i've unvolunteered as in the past when I have entered bugs for others and then when questions come up a few weeks later I don't remember what the original concern was
  160. # [18:15] * Julian thanks Mike for the good summary
  161. # [18:15] <rubys> mike: mnot's feedback makes sense and should be addressed
  162. # [18:16] <rubys> mike: I would hope that we can find somebody to step forward
  163. # [18:17] * Julian understands
  164. # [18:17] <rubys> mjs: I note that the people most interested in getting IANA registry are those that are designated experts; that does not prevent them from filing bugs against the HTML5 spec
  165. # [18:17] <rubys> topic: New Issues This Week
  166. # [18:18] <rubys> mjs: issues-125, 126, and 127 were mentioned last week
  167. # [18:18] <rubys> http://www.w3.org/2010/09/30-html-wg-minutes.html#item02
  168. # [18:18] <pimpbot> Title: HTML Weekly Teleconference -- 30 Sep 2010 (at www.w3.org)
  169. # [18:18] <rubys> issue-125?
  170. # [18:18] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-125
  171. # [18:18] <trackbot> ISSUE-125 -- Requirement to break RFC 2616 compliance with respect to single quotes not needed for legacy content -- raised
  172. # [18:18] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/125
  173. # [18:18] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-125 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  174. # [18:19] <rubys> issue-126?
  175. # [18:19] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-126
  176. # [18:19] <trackbot> ISSUE-126 -- Requirement to break RFC 2616 compliance with respect to backslashes not needed for legacy content -- raised
  177. # [18:19] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/126
  178. # [18:19] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-126 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  179. # [18:19] <rubys> issue-127?
  180. # [18:19] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-127
  181. # [18:19] <trackbot> ISSUE-127 -- Simplify characterization of link types -- raised
  182. # [18:19] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/127
  183. # [18:19] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-127 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  184. # [18:19] <Julian> q+
  185. # [18:19] * Zakim sees Julian on the speaker queue
  186. # [18:20] <rubys> issue-128?
  187. # [18:20] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-128
  188. # [18:20] <trackbot> ISSUE-128 -- Authors should be able to use <figure> where <img> can be used -- raised
  189. # [18:20] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/128
  190. # [18:20] <Julian> q-
  191. # [18:20] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  192. # [18:20] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-128 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  193. # [18:20] <rubys> mjs: Issue 128 is being discussed on the mailing list
  194. # [18:21] <rubys> topic: Items Closed Last Week
  195. # [18:21] <rubys> mjs: skipping over
  196. # [18:21] <rubys> topic: Items Closing This week
  197. # [18:21] <rubys> issue-41?
  198. # [18:21] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-41
  199. # [18:21] <trackbot> ISSUE-41 -- Decentralized extensibility -- open
  200. # [18:21] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/41
  201. # [18:21] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-41 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  202. # [18:21] <rubys> mjs: survey closes today
  203. # [18:21] <rubys> issue-92?
  204. # [18:21] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-92
  205. # [18:21] <trackbot> ISSUE-92 -- Re-write the Table section to remove extraneous material, and provide cleaner description -- open
  206. # [18:21] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/92
  207. # [18:21] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-92 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  208. # [18:22] <rubys> mjs: survey closed yesterday
  209. # [18:22] <rubys> mjs: issue-103 was inadvertently added to the agenda
  210. # [18:22] <rubys> mjs: issue 74 and 105 will be covered in discussion topics
  211. # [18:23] <rubys> topic: New Surveys this week
  212. # [18:23] <rubys> issue-89?
  213. # [18:23] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-89
  214. # [18:23] <trackbot> ISSUE-89 -- Remove Section 4.12 Common Idioms without dedicated Elements -- open
  215. # [18:23] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/89
  216. # [18:23] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-89 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  217. # [18:24] <rubys> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/issue-89-objection-poll/
  218. # [18:24] <rubys> topic: New Calls this week
  219. # [18:24] <Julian> q+ to say that the call for proposals for ISSUE-125 is not in the issue-status.html (yet?)
  220. # [18:24] * Zakim sees Julian on the speaker queue
  221. # [18:24] <rubys> mjs: two new calls for proposals
  222. # [18:24] <rubys> issue-125?
  223. # [18:24] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-125
  224. # [18:24] <trackbot> ISSUE-125 -- Requirement to break RFC 2616 compliance with respect to single quotes not needed for legacy content -- raised
  225. # [18:24] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/125
  226. # [18:24] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-125 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  227. # [18:25] <rubys> issue-128?
  228. # [18:25] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-128
  229. # [18:25] <trackbot> ISSUE-128 -- Authors should be able to use <figure> where <img> can be used -- raised
  230. # [18:25] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/128
  231. # [18:25] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-128 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  232. # [18:25] <rubys> mjs: actual issue was issue-124
  233. # [18:25] <rubys> issue-124?
  234. # [18:25] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-124
  235. # [18:25] <trackbot> ISSUE-124 -- nofollow/noreferrer not allowed on <link> -- raised
  236. # [18:25] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/124
  237. # [18:25] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-124 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  238. # [18:25] <Julian> q-
  239. # [18:25] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
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  241. # [18:26] <rubys> topic: Pending Heartbeat publications
  242. # [18:26] <oedipus> regrets+ Gregory_Rosmaita
  243. # [18:26] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Oct/0058.html
  244. # [18:26] <pimpbot> Title: Heartbeat draft update, and request to editors from Maciej Stachowiak on 2010-10-06 (public-html@w3.org from October 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  245. # [18:27] <rubys> mjs: we have asked to make bugzilla the primary means to enter comments
  246. # [18:28] <rubys> janina: will the media spec request be in the heartbeat?
  247. # [18:28] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Sep/0301.html
  248. # [18:28] <pimpbot> Title: Requesting Spec Text Additions from Janina Sajka on 2010-09-27 (public-html@w3.org from September 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  249. # [18:28] <rubys> mjs: they are not in yet, but there still is an opportunity. If they don't make it, they will land shortly after.
  250. # [18:29] <rubys> topic: Issue updates
  251. # [18:29] <rubys> issue-85?
  252. # [18:29] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-85
  253. # [18:29] <trackbot> ISSUE-85 -- ARIA roles added to the a element should be conforming in HTML5 -- open
  254. # [18:29] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/85
  255. # [18:29] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-85 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  256. # [18:29] <janina> zakim, who's on the phone?
  257. # [18:29] <Zakim> On the phone I see eliot, Radhika_Roy, Norm, Sam, Julian, adrianba, Mike, Michael_Cooper, [Apple], Cynthia_Shelly, Janina_Sajka
  258. # [18:29] <rubys> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10066
  259. # [18:29] <pimpbot> 10066: faulkner.steve, P1, NEW, replace section 3.2.6 with the alternative spec text provided (ARIA)
  260. # [18:30] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Sep/0225.html
  261. # [18:30] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-74 canvas-accessibility and ISSUE-105 canvas-usemap from Maciej Stachowiak on 2010-09-21 (public-html@w3.org from September 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  262. # [18:30] <MikeSmith> Present: Radhika_Roy, Norm, Sam, Julian, adrianba, Mike, Michael_Cooper, Maciej, Cynthia_Shelly, Janina_Sajka
  263. # [18:30] <rubys> scribe notes that the above link is incorrect...
  264. # [18:30] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Oct/0054.html
  265. # [18:30] <pimpbot> Title: Re: ARIA mapping status from Steven Faulkner on 2010-10-05 (public-html@w3.org from October 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  266. # [18:30] <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make mintues
  267. # [18:30] <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make mintues', MikeSmith. Try /msg RRSAgent help
  268. # [18:30] <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
  269. # [18:30] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/10/07-html-wg-minutes.html MikeSmith
  270. # [18:30] <pimpbot> Title: HTML Weekly Teleconference -- 07 Oct 2010 (at www.w3.org)
  271. # [18:31] <rubys> mjs: likely just one issue will be raised to cover a number of differences
  272. # [18:31] <rubys> cynthia: I think that there are a number of other bugs pending
  273. # [18:31] <rubys> mjs: at the moment, I see 4 bugs, 3 new, 1 reopened
  274. # [18:31] <rubys> cynthia: very much a work in progress
  275. # [18:31] <rubys> issue-9?
  276. # [18:31] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-9
  277. # [18:31] <trackbot> ISSUE-9 -- how accessibility works for <video> is unclear -- open
  278. # [18:31] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/9
  279. # [18:31] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-9 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  280. # [18:32] <rubys> user: requirements http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Aug/0365.html
  281. # [18:32] <pimpbot> Title: {Announcement} Media accessibility user requirements overview, Thu Sep 2 from Paul Cotton on 2010-08-31 (public-html@w3.org from August 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  282. # [18:33] <rubys> mjs: at this point, we are ready to go with this, so if you have any comments now would be a good time to speak up
  283. # [18:33] <rubys> janina: this document has been reviewed with a number of groups, and expect comments and changes within a week
  284. # [18:33] <rubys> janina: I will post to both the public-html list and the a11y list
  285. # [18:34] <rubys> mjs: if you have particular people in mind that you want to seek comments from, please approach them directly
  286. # [18:35] <rubys> janina: mozilla popcorn libraries are good examples of ancillary content
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  288. # [18:36] <rubys> Requested Spec Additions http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Sep/0301.html
  289. # [18:36] <pimpbot> Title: Requesting Spec Text Additions from Janina Sajka on 2010-09-27 (public-html@w3.org from September 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  290. # [18:36] <rubys> mjs: this concerns two sections which previously were removed upon request, and continued to evolve at the WHATWG.
  291. # [18:37] <rubys> mjs: there is now general agreement to bring them back as starting points for discussion
  292. # [18:37] <rubys> mjs: there is also one new section, which is currently expressed in a way that is dependent on WEBSRT, generalizing this is pending
  293. # [18:38] <rubys> janina: the request is to bring these sections back into the W3C doc in a tech agnostic manner, and to compare that against the requirements
  294. # [18:39] <pimpbot> planet: Web DOM Core <http://annevankesteren.nl/2010/10/domcore>
  295. # [18:39] <rubys> janina: the expectation is that there will be gaps, and the plan is to first identify the gaps and then identify means to fill those gaps
  296. # [18:40] <rubys> mjs: ISSUE-74, ISSUE-105: any comments on survey plan?
  297. # [18:40] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Sep/0225.html
  298. # [18:40] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-74 canvas-accessibility and ISSUE-105 canvas-usemap from Maciej Stachowiak on 2010-09-21 (public-html@w3.org from September 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  299. # [18:40] <rubys> mjs: a number of change proposals have been entered, some of which relate to others BEING adopted or NOT being adopted.
  300. # [18:41] <rubys> mjs: we need to find a way to produce a survey which is not confusing
  301. # [18:41] <rubys> mjs: we have heard feed back of people who are unhappy with this approach
  302. # [18:41] <rubys> mjs: we need feedback on the mailing list
  303. # [18:42] <rubys> mjs: if we don't hear specific feedback soon, we likely will proceed with what has been described...
  304. # [18:42] <rubys> janina: we reached clarify in the task force on the view on the questions
  305. # [18:42] <janina> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Sep/0225.html
  306. # [18:42] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-74 canvas-accessibility and ISSUE-105 canvas-usemap from Maciej Stachowiak on 2010-09-21 (public-html@w3.org from September 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  307. # [18:43] <rubys> janina: the first question has gone back to the drawing board, it doesn't appear to be ready
  308. # [18:44] <rubys> janina: no problems with 2, 3, or 5
  309. # [18:44] <rubys> janina: question 4 would be better clarified or stated as a counter-proposal
  310. # [18:45] <rubys> mjs: what I am hearing is that the TF is ready to proceed on boolean nonav and usemap, but would like to have more time to work on focus, caret, and <missed this>.
  311. # [18:45] <rubys> cynthia: I also think we are ready on shadow-dom
  312. # [18:45] <rubys> janina: I will take this to the mailing list
  313. # [18:46] <rubys> topic: Other business
  314. # [18:46] <rubys> mjs: any other topics?
  315. # [18:46] * adrianba will volunteer for next week
  316. # [18:46] <rubys> topic: Scribe for next meeting
  317. # [18:46] <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
  318. # [18:46] <rubys> mjs: adrian volunteers... thanks adrian!
  319. # [18:47] <rubys> topic: Adjournment
  320. # [18:47] <Zakim> -Radhika_Roy
  321. # [18:47] <Zakim> -Norm
  322. # [18:47] <Zakim> -adrianba
  323. # [18:47] <MikeSmith> Zakim, drop Mike-goog
  324. # [18:47] <Zakim> sorry, MikeSmith, I do not see a party named 'Mike-goog'
  325. # [18:47] <Zakim> -Janina_Sajka
  326. # [18:47] <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
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  329. # [18:47] <MikeSmith> Zakim, drop Mike
  330. # [18:47] <Zakim> Mike is being disconnected
  331. # [18:47] <Zakim> -Mike
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  333. # [18:47] <Zakim> -Julian
  334. # [18:47] <rubys> rrsagent, publish minutes
  335. # [18:47] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/10/07-html-wg-minutes.html rubys
  336. # [18:47] <pimpbot> Title: HTML Weekly Teleconference -- 07 Oct 2010 (at www.w3.org)
  337. # [18:47] <Zakim> -Sam
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  343. # [18:48] <Zakim> Attendees were eliot, Radhika_Roy, Norm, Sam, Julian, +1.206.922.aabb, adrianba, Mike, Michael_Cooper, Janina, [Apple], Cynthia_Shelly, Janina_Sajka
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  346. # [19:09] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 10988] add slider element" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/1761.html>
  347. # [19:39] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10904] <video> element needs to support some form of parental control solution <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/1762.html>
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  352. # [20:09] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10902] <video> element needs to support some form of DRM solution <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/1765.html> ** [Bug 10922] Use normative keywords (MUST/SHOULD/MAY) in other metadata section <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/1764.html> ** [Bug 10152] [polyglot] i18n comment 5 : Mention lang and xml:lang <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2
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  358. # [20:39] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10890] i18n comment : Allow utf-16 meta encoding declarations <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/1766.html>
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  368. # [21:09] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10167] HTML5 Polyglot spec breaks RDFa case sensitivity <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/1767.html>
  369. # [21:11] <pimpbot> changes: eliot: Removed redundant paragraph about submitting content. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Oct/0024.html>
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  376. # [21:37] <sideshow> @changes
  377. # [21:37] <pimpbot> sideshow: eliot: Removed redundant paragraph about submitting content. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Oct/0024.html> ** eliot: Added note in SOTD to use Bugzilla for future comments <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Oct/0023.html> ** sam: Issue 92 survey is complete, comment out withdrawn issue 41 proposal <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public- (9 more messages)
  378. # [21:37] <sideshow> @more
  379. # [21:37] <pimpbot> sideshow: html-diffs/2010Oct/0022.html> ** hixie: Make the structured clone algorithm support cycles. (whatwg r5587) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Oct/0021.html> ** hixie: <details> has a focusable component. (whatwg r5586) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Oct/0020.html> ** hixie: Scripts not in documents don't execute. (whatwg r5585) (8 more messages)
  380. # [21:39] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 10410] On getting, should the UA percent-decode document.location.hash? It's not clear." (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/1769.html>
  381. # [21:41] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: add more uda examples (whatwg r5588) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Oct/0025.html>
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  384. # [22:11] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Fix the markup to match the example renderings. (whatwg r5590) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Oct/0027.html> ** hixie: Add a note about keeping the alignment right for <select> (whatwg r5589) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Oct/0026.html>
  385. # [22:40] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10929] would the <small> element be better handled in CSS? <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/1780.html>
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  388. # [23:10] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 10767] The <progress> and <meter> elements' value IDL attribute should be constrained by the range. Just like with <input type=range>." (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/1782.html>
  389. # [23:12] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Make meter.value clamp to the specified range on getting. (whatwg r5592) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Oct/0029.html> ** hixie: Make progress.value clamp to the maximum on getting. (whatwg r5591) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Oct/0028.html>
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  397. # [23:40] <pimpbot> planet: Firefox 4 Beta for Android and Maemo is Now Available <http://blog.mozilla.com/blog/2010/10/07/firefox-4-beta-for-android-and-maemo/>
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