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  16. # [01:42] <heycam> i'm looking at http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/ (which i haven't done for a while) and it has a big red message at the bottom about this copy being out of date, but the link is to the same version of the document. so i guess it is up to date.
  17. # [01:42] <pimpbot> Title: HTML5 (at dev.w3.org)
  18. # [01:47] <hober> heycam: that's temporary; it'll go away from the ED once the next WD is published
  19. # [01:47] <hober> it's there so it'll be in the /TR/ doct
  20. # [01:47] <hober> err, doc
  21. # [01:47] <heycam> hober, ah k
  22. # [01:47] <heycam> but in the meantime it lies :)
  23. # [01:47] <hober> yes.
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  37. # [04:52] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11038] New: The site is very nice, but has significant color contrast issues. Many colors are well below the minimal contrast required by WCAG 2.0. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2450.html>
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  52. # [08:53] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10941] Media elements need control-independent "pause" for presenting lengthy descriptions/captions <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2456.html> ** [Bug 11038] The site is very nice, but has significant color contrast issues. Many colors are well below the minimal contrast required by WCAG 2.0. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2455.html> ** [Bug 11041] h <http://
  53. # [09:23] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10919] Allow role="presentation" to override the default role of any element <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2461.html> ** [Bug 10450] Allow lists to be used as menus or tab sets <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2460.html> ** [Bug 10320] [WebSRT voice] Allow an arbitrary string as the voice for forwards compatilbity <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-h
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  57. # [09:53] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: new example of nested disabled fieldsets (whatwg r5621) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Oct/0083.html>
  58. # [09:53] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10320] [WebSRT voice] Allow an arbitrary string as the voice for forwards compatilbity <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2468.html> ** [Bug 10809] i18n comment 3 : new attribute: submitdir <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2467.html> ** [Bug 10812] i18n comment 7 : line breaks in textarea and pre elements <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2
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  63. # [10:23] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: <option selected> conformance requirements (whatwg r5623) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Oct/0089.html> ** webDB; hixie: update to new webidl terminology (whatwg r5622) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Oct/0088.html> ** webstorage; hixie: update to new webidl terminology (whatwg r5622) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Oct/0087.html> ** 2Dapi
  64. # [10:23] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 10642] No alternative text description for video key frame (poster)" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2475.html> ** "[Bug 10232] There is no "|selected| attribute is a boolean attribute"" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2473.html> ** [Bug 11010] Terms for indexed/named properties in Web IDL changed <http://lists.w3
  65. # [10:53] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: compat rendering for <legend> with display:none (whatwg r5626) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Oct/0092.html> ** hixie: Define that <param> is dynamic (where the API supports that). (whatwg r5625) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Oct/0091.html> ** hixie: remove form.item() and form.namedItem() since 2/3 browsers I tested don't have it and removing them seems like a win. (what
  66. # [10:53] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10771] User agents disagree with each other and with the spec on rendering of multiple legends if the first one is styled <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2485.html> ** [Bug 10905] clarify how assigning an accesskey to an element affects the elements default role <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2484.html> ** [Bug 10771] User agents disagree with each other and wit
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  68. # [11:23] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Drop DOMActivate (whatwg r5628) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Oct/0094.html> ** hixie: Apply WG decision (whatwg r5627) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Oct/0093.html>
  69. # [11:24] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9895] HTMLImageElement's "complete" attribute definition implies immediate image decoding <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2493.html> ** [Bug 10905] clarify how assigning an accesskey to an element affects the elements default role <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2492.html> ** "[Bug 10899] DOMActivate is deprecated in DOM L3 Events" (2 messages in thread) <http
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  73. # [11:54] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: MD exclusion (whatwg r5629) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Oct/0098.html> ** sam: Oops: s/32/89/ <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Oct/0097.html> ** sam: Issue 32 survey is now complete <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Oct/0096.html> ** sam: Issue 103 is now CLOSED <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Oct/0095.html>
  74. # [11:54] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9659] Initial U+0000 should not set frameset-ok to "not ok" <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2503.html> ** [Bug 11032] HTMLPropertiesCollection shouldn't be callable <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2502.html> ** [Bug 11031] Reference to non-existent interface HTMLPropertiesCollection <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2501.html>
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  78. # [12:24] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Allow role=presentation everywhere (whatwg r5633) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Oct/0102.html> ** hixie: word-smithing (whatwg r5632) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Oct/0101.html> ** hixie: copypasta (whatwg r5631) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Oct/0100.html> ** hixie: suggest another alternative for longdesc (whatwg r5630) <http://
  79. # [12:24] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10919] Allow role="presentation" to override the default role of any element <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2518.html> ** [Bug 10066] replace section 3.2.6 with the alternative spec text provided (ARIA) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2515.html> ** [Bug 10919] Allow role="presentation" to override the default role of any element <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/
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  82. # [12:54] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11045] U+0020 does not need to be escaped in srcdoc in XML <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2521.html> ** [Bug 11045] New: U+0020 does not need to be escaped in srcdoc in XML <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2520.html> ** [Bug 10809] i18n comment 3 : new attribute: submitdir <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2519.html>
  83. # [13:24] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10320] [WebSRT voice] Allow an arbitrary string as the voice for forwards compatilbity <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2525.html> ** [Bug 11046] New: Which kind of data could be passed to this method. Could it be custom data types started with "application/"? <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2524.html> ** [Bug 10914] Allow multiple space separated values for the A
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  88. # [13:54] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10801] Limit the number of iterations in the loops in the AAA <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2528.html> ** [Bug 10202] use of "codecs" parameter <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2527.html> ** "[Bug 10320] [WebSRT voice] Allow an arbitrary string as the voice for forwards compatilbity" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugz
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  104. # [15:55] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11047] New: 321313132131 <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2535.html> ** [Bug 10975] from gmail, JimJJewett said: Audio and Video should show the fallback content (for older browsers) if they do not understand the codec -- even if they understand video (or audio) itself <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2534.html>
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  112. # [16:55] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11049] New: ffdh <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2536.html>
  113. # [17:10] <CIA-1> v.nu-validator: hsivonen * r363 /trunk/src/nu/validator/servlet/VerifierServlet.java: Update CORS headers to latest spec.
  114. # [17:25] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10818] i18n comment 14 : title and alt attribute direction and two new attributes: titledir and altdir <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/2538.html> ** [Bug 11011] Since Javascript does not support mode specifiers inside the regular expression, there is no simple way of matching a single word case-insensitively besides turning into [Ww][Oo][Rr][Dd] <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzill
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  121. # [18:02] <paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2010OctDec/0001.html
  122. # [18:02] <pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG Telecon 2010-10-14 actions, status of calls, issues and bugs, heartbeat drafts, task force reports from Paul Cotton on 2010-10-13 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from October to December 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  123. # [18:03] <rubys> trackbot, start meeting
  124. # [18:03] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference
  125. # [18:03] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  126. # [18:03] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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  129. # [18:03] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
  130. # [18:03] <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
  131. # [18:03] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  132. # [18:03] <trackbot> Date: 14 October 2010
  133. # [18:03] <paulc> zakim, who is here?
  134. # [18:03] <Zakim> On the phone I see [Microsoft], Julian, Sam
  135. # [18:03] <Zakim> On IRC I see Mark, Zakim, eliot, paulc, rubys, MikeSmith, adrianba, oedipus, tlr, karl, Martijnc, aroben, plh, defeckt, Julian, Lachy, webben, gsnedders, Dashiva, krijn, mjs,
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  137. # [18:03] <Zakim> ... shepazu, gavin__, arronei, anne, drry, CIA-1, ed_work, webr3, hober, gavin, sideshow, pimpbot, hsivonen, jwm, Jedi, trackbot, Yudai, jgraham, Hixie, jmb, phenny, RRSAgent,
  138. # [18:03] <Zakim> ... inimino, Shunsuke, Philip
  139. # [18:03] <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
  140. # [18:03] <Zakim> +paulc; got it
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  142. # [18:04] <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike-goog
  143. # [18:04] <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
  144. # [18:04] <Zakim> +Mike
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  146. # [18:04] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  147. # [18:04] <Zakim> +Radhika_Roy
  148. # [18:04] <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft.a] has adrianba, krisk
  149. # [18:04] <Zakim> +adrianba, krisk; got it
  150. # [18:04] <adrianba> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2010OctDec/0001.html
  151. # [18:04] <adrianba> ScribeNick: adrianba
  152. # [18:04] <paulc> Good morning, Adrian - are you aread to scribe?
  153. # [18:04] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.aa]
  154. # [18:04] <adrianba> Scribe: Adrian Bateman
  155. # [18:04] <paulc> Great
  156. # [18:04] <adrianba> Chair: Paul Cotton
  157. # [18:04] <eliot> zakim, [microsoft.aa] has me
  158. # [18:04] <Zakim> +eliot; got it
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  160. # [18:06] <MikeSmith> Zakim, mute Mike
  161. # [18:06] <Zakim> Mike should now be muted
  162. # [18:06] <Zakim> + +1.971.998.aaaa
  163. # [18:06] <Zakim> + +33.6.72.99.aabb
  164. # [18:07] <adrianba> TOPIC: ACTION items due by Thursday, October 14
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  166. # [18:07] <janina> zakim, code?
  167. # [18:07] <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), janina
  168. # [18:07] <adrianba> ACTION-187?
  169. # [18:07] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-187
  170. # [18:07] <trackbot> ACTION-187 -- Maciej Stachowiak to inform the group that no comments on issue-9 requirements means they will be accepted -- due 2010-10-14 -- OPEN
  171. # [18:07] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/187
  172. # [18:07] <dpenkler> zakim aabb is dpenkler
  173. # [18:07] <adrianba> paulc: this is the only one on maciej
  174. # [18:07] <adrianba> ...who isn't on the call
  175. # [18:07] <paulc> mjs: can you give us an update?
  176. # [18:08] <adrianba> ACTION-187 due 21 oct
  177. # [18:08] * trackbot attempting to change due date on ACTION-187.
  178. # [18:08] <trackbot> ACTION-187 Inform the group that no comments on issue-9 requirements means they will be accepted due date now 21 oct
  179. # [18:08] <Zakim> +Janina_Sajka
  180. # [18:08] <adrianba> TOPIC: New Issues This Week
  181. # [18:08] <adrianba> paulc: three in the agenda
  182. # [18:08] <adrianba> ISSUE-129?
  183. # [18:08] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-129
  184. # [18:08] <trackbot> ISSUE-129 -- replace or modify the ARIA section of the HTML5 spec -- raised
  185. # [18:08] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/129
  186. # [18:08] <adrianba> ISSUE-130?
  187. # [18:08] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-130
  188. # [18:08] <trackbot> ISSUE-130 -- allow tables to be used for layout purposes -- raised
  189. # [18:08] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/130
  190. # [18:08] <adrianba> ISSUE-131?
  191. # [18:08] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-131
  192. # [18:08] <trackbot> ISSUE-131 -- Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? -- raised
  193. # [18:08] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131
  194. # [18:08] <paulc> Tracker requests: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=HTML+WG&keywords=TrackerRequest
  195. # [18:09] <adrianba> paulc: in addition, per agenda 2d there are a series of tracker requests
  196. # [18:09] <rubys> 7
  197. # [18:09] <adrianba> ...there are 6 or 7 outstanding requests
  198. # [18:09] * Joins: arronei (arronei@131.107.0.94)
  199. # [18:09] <adrianba> ...the chairs are asking if someone with tracker permissions will do the escalation
  200. # [18:09] <adrianba> ...otherwise the chairs will elevate next week
  201. # [18:10] <adrianba> ...since there are others who can do this we want to give them the opportunity
  202. # [18:10] <adrianba> ...anyone want to review the list or make any comments?
  203. # [18:10] <adrianba> TOPIC: Items Closed Last Week
  204. # [18:10] <adrianba> ISSUE-41?
  205. # [18:10] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-41
  206. # [18:10] <trackbot> ISSUE-41 -- Decentralized extensibility -- open
  207. # [18:10] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/41
  208. # [18:10] <adrianba> paulc: survey on distributed extensibility closed last week and the chairs have added it to their queue of work items to process the survey results
  209. # [18:11] <rubys> http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html#ISSUE-041
  210. # [18:11] <adrianba> ...think the TAG sent feedback too
  211. # [18:11] <adrianba> rubys: it's not in the survey but i added it to the issue page
  212. # [18:11] <adrianba> TOPIC: Items Closing This Week
  213. # [18:11] <adrianba> ISSUE-89?
  214. # [18:11] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-89
  215. # [18:11] <trackbot> ISSUE-89 -- Remove Section 4.12 Common Idioms without dedicated Elements -- open
  216. # [18:11] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/89
  217. # [18:11] <adrianba> paulc: closed yesterday so chairs will add this to their list too
  218. # [18:11] <adrianba> TOPIC: Items Closing Next Week
  219. # [18:11] <adrianba> ISSUE-118?
  220. # [18:11] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-118
  221. # [18:11] <trackbot> ISSUE-118 -- Specification breaks semantics of existing link relations "index" and "first" -- raised
  222. # [18:11] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/118
  223. # [18:11] <adrianba> ISSUE-122?
  224. # [18:12] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-122
  225. # [18:12] <trackbot> ISSUE-122 -- alt text and description for Lady of Shalott example -- raised
  226. # [18:12] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/122
  227. # [18:12] <adrianba> ISSUE-123?
  228. # [18:12] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-123
  229. # [18:12] <trackbot> ISSUE-123 -- Autofocus attribute security concerns -- raised
  230. # [18:12] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/123
  231. # [18:12] <adrianba> paulc: these are all calls for proposals and close oct 17
  232. # [18:12] <Zakim> +??P33
  233. # [18:12] <adrianba> TOPIC: New Surveys This Week
  234. # [18:12] <adrianba> ISSUE-32?
  235. # [18:12] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-32
  236. # [18:12] <trackbot> ISSUE-32 -- how to provide a summary of a table, e.g. for unsighted navigation? -- open
  237. # [18:12] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/32
  238. # [18:12] <adrianba> paulc: straw poll issued due oct 21
  239. # [18:13] <adrianba> ISSUE-74?
  240. # [18:13] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-74
  241. # [18:13] <trackbot> ISSUE-74 -- How accessibility works for <canvas> is unclear. -- open
  242. # [18:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/74
  243. # [18:13] <adrianba> ISSUE-105?
  244. # [18:13] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-105
  245. # [18:13] <trackbot> ISSUE-105 -- allow image maps on the canvas element -- open
  246. # [18:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/105
  247. # [18:13] <Zakim> -??P33
  248. # [18:13] <rubys> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/issues-74-and-105-objection-poll/
  249. # [18:13] <adrianba> ISSUE-131?
  250. # [18:13] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-131
  251. # [18:13] <trackbot> ISSUE-131 -- Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? -- raised
  252. # [18:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131
  253. # [18:13] <adrianba> paulc: chairs opened issue 131 too
  254. # [18:13] <adrianba> ...survey has been issued for these
  255. # [18:13] <Zakim> +??P33
  256. # [18:14] <adrianba> paulc: these two surveys have been sent out
  257. # [18:14] <adrianba> TOPIC: New Calls this week
  258. # [18:14] <adrianba> ISSUE-125?
  259. # [18:14] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-125
  260. # [18:14] <trackbot> ISSUE-125 -- Requirement to break RFC 2616 compliance with respect to single quotes not needed for legacy content -- raised
  261. # [18:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/125
  262. # [18:14] <adrianba> ISSUE-126?
  263. # [18:14] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-126
  264. # [18:14] <trackbot> ISSUE-126 -- Requirement to break RFC 2616 compliance with respect to backslashes not needed for legacy content -- raised
  265. # [18:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/126
  266. # [18:14] <adrianba> paulc: these are calls for proposals due nov 13
  267. # [18:14] <adrianba> ISSUE-85?
  268. # [18:14] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-85
  269. # [18:14] <trackbot> ISSUE-85 -- ARIA roles added to the a element should be conforming in HTML5 -- open
  270. # [18:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/85
  271. # [18:14] <adrianba> paulc: also have call for consensus closing on oct 20 next week
  272. # [18:15] <adrianba> TOPIC: Working Group decisions
  273. # [18:15] <adrianba> paulc: chairs issued two decisions this week
  274. # [18:15] <adrianba> ISSUE-100?
  275. # [18:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-100
  276. # [18:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-100 -- Remove the srcdoc attribute from the HTML5 specification -- closed
  277. # [18:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/100
  278. # [18:15] <adrianba> ISSUE-103?
  279. # [18:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-103
  280. # [18:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-103 -- XML escaping in iframe/@srcdoc -- closed
  281. # [18:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/103
  282. # [18:15] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2010Oct/0016.html
  283. # [18:15] <adrianba> paulc: there is email discussion on the list
  284. # [18:15] <adrianba> rubys: i responded on www-archive because it was more of a process question
  285. # [18:16] <adrianba> TOPIC: Pending heart beat publications
  286. # [18:16] <MikeSmith> Zakim, unmute me
  287. # [18:16] <Zakim> sorry, MikeSmith, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
  288. # [18:16] <adrianba> paulc: Mike Smith is on the call, update?
  289. # [18:16] <MikeSmith> Zakim, unmute Mike
  290. # [18:16] <Zakim> Mike should no longer be muted
  291. # [18:17] <adrianba> MikeSmith: initially asked editors to put oct 12 on draft but didn't manage to get everything staged by that time
  292. # [18:17] <adrianba> ...next window is tuesday
  293. # [18:17] <adrianba> ...so asking editors to change date to next tuesday 19 oct
  294. # [18:17] <adrianba> ...we'll do that then
  295. # [18:18] <adrianba> ...i asked manu if there had been substantive updates to the RDFa draft - i don't think so so it might not be necessary to update it
  296. # [18:18] <adrianba> ...waiting to hear back from manu
  297. # [18:18] <adrianba> ...unless the chairs figure it is desirable to publish anyway
  298. # [18:19] <adrianba> paulc: just looking at editor's draft, which is later than WD
  299. # [18:19] <adrianba> ...that implies some change
  300. # [18:19] <adrianba> MikeSmith: think this might be just to revert it to ED and change previous publication date
  301. # [18:19] <adrianba> ...i.e. just the usual housekeeping but not making substantive changes
  302. # [18:20] <rubys> q+ to ask about the updated status section
  303. # [18:20] <adrianba> paulc: all of these documents cross-reference each other so if you leave it then it'll point to an old draft
  304. # [18:20] * Zakim sees rubys on the speaker queue
  305. # [18:20] <adrianba> MikeSmith: yeah, true
  306. # [18:20] <adrianba> ...i'll try to get a response from Manu - he may not have time so if i don't hear back i'll do the necessary updates
  307. # [18:21] <adrianba> paulc: thanks for doing this
  308. # [18:21] <adrianba> MikeSmith: i want to bring up one other issue - if you go to the latest version of the editor's draft of the spec
  309. # [18:21] <MikeSmith> http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/
  310. # [18:21] <Julian> q+
  311. # [18:21] * Zakim sees rubys, Julian on the speaker queue
  312. # [18:21] <adrianba> ...there's a note at the bottom that is quite prominent that says it is an out of date document and points to the editor's draft as the latest version
  313. # [18:22] <adrianba> ...the intent is that this will appear only on the TR version
  314. # [18:22] <oedipus> regrets+ Gregory_Rosmaita
  315. # [18:22] <MikeSmith> q?
  316. # [18:22] * Zakim sees rubys, Julian on the speaker queue
  317. # [18:23] <Julian> q++
  318. # [18:23] * Zakim sees rubys, Julian, + on the speaker queue
  319. # [18:23] <adrianba> MikeSmith: it's just a tab that appears at the bottom of the browser window and the intent is that readers of the WD see that the ED has changes that are not reflected in the WD
  320. # [18:24] <adrianba> ...i think we should have a discussion about whether that should be there
  321. # [18:24] <adrianba> ...i don't think we've discussed this in the group and i think it's necessary to talk about before we publish
  322. # [18:24] <adrianba> Julian: paul probably can't see it because maybe it doesn't work in IE
  323. # [18:25] <paulc> ack Julian
  324. # [18:25] * Zakim sees rubys, + on the speaker queue
  325. # [18:25] <paulc> ack rubys
  326. # [18:25] <Zakim> rubys, you wanted to ask about the updated status section
  327. # [18:25] * Zakim sees + on the speaker queue
  328. # [18:25] <adrianba> MikeSmith: that would be a problem too since it's not doing what it is intended
  329. # [18:25] <Julian> q+
  330. # [18:25] * Zakim sees +, Julian on the speaker queue
  331. # [18:25] <adrianba> rubys: we want RDFa republished because of the changes to the intro text about where to file comments
  332. # [18:26] <paulc> ack julian
  333. # [18:26] * Zakim sees + on the speaker queue
  334. # [18:26] <adrianba> Julian: wanted to make one technical suggestion
  335. # [18:26] <paulc> ack +
  336. # [18:26] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  337. # [18:26] <adrianba> ...think this is done with absolute CSS positioning and this slows down browsers even more than just the large document
  338. # [18:26] <adrianba> ...i understand that the point of the text is to make people go somewhere else
  339. # [18:27] <paulc> The latest stable version of the editor's draft of this specification is always available on the W3C CVS server and in the WHATWG Subversion repository. The latest editor's working copy (which may contain unfinished text in the process of being prepared) contains the latest draft text of this specification (amongst others). For more details, please see the WHATWG FAQ
  340. # [18:27] <adrianba> ...i don't know why we would publish a draft saying people should go somewhere else
  341. # [18:27] <adrianba> paulc: the intro text already has this note
  342. # [18:27] <adrianba> ...not sure why we need more than this
  343. # [18:27] * Quits: Lachy (Lachlan@213.236.208.22) (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
  344. # [18:27] <adrianba> MikeSmith: well we have had a problem with implementers referring to the WD when significant changes have been made to the ED
  345. # [18:28] * Julian thinks that if this is a problem, we need to publish more frequently
  346. # [18:28] <paulc> But the text already says: "Implementors should be aware that this specification is not stable. "
  347. # [18:28] <adrianba> ...and this caused some implementers in some cases to be wasting time because they were using the WD instead of the ED
  348. # [18:28] * Julian also, are we still expecting changes like that
  349. # [18:28] <adrianba> paulc: the paragraph already warns people about this
  350. # [18:28] <adrianba> MikeSmith: i guess it is up to the chairs to decide what to do
  351. # [18:28] * Julian (it works for me IE9, btw)
  352. # [18:29] <adrianba> paulc: i suggest we remove it from the WD and that you ask the editor to do that
  353. # [18:29] <adrianba> rubys: i'm okay with that
  354. # [18:29] <Julian> Zakim, who's making noise?
  355. # [18:29] <adrianba> MikeSmith: i'll do that
  356. # [18:29] <Zakim> Julian, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: [Microsoft] (14%), Mike (99%)
  357. # [18:29] <adrianba> paulc: thanks!
  358. # [18:29] <MikeSmith> Zakim, mute Mike
  359. # [18:29] <Zakim> Mike should now be muted
  360. # [18:30] <adrianba> TOPIC: Issue updates
  361. # [18:30] <adrianba> ISSUE-9?
  362. # [18:30] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-9
  363. # [18:30] <trackbot> ISSUE-9 -- how accessibility works for <video> is unclear -- open
  364. # [18:30] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/9
  365. # [18:30] <Julian> Zakim, who's making noise?
  366. # [18:30] <Zakim> Julian, listening for 12 seconds I heard sound from the following: [Microsoft] (88%), Janina_Sajka (16%)
  367. # [18:30] <adrianba> paulc: we have the user requirements and requested spec changes in the agenda
  368. # [18:30] <paulc> ACTION-187?
  369. # [18:30] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-187
  370. # [18:30] <trackbot> ACTION-187 -- Maciej Stachowiak to inform the group that no comments on issue-9 requirements means they will be accepted -- due 2010-10-21 -- OPEN
  371. # [18:30] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/187
  372. # [18:31] * Julian hears a beeping noise
  373. # [18:31] <adrianba> paulc: we want to make sure that if people didn't provide comments we take the requirements as accepted
  374. # [18:31] <adrianba> janina: there is agreement via the e-mail list in the subteam for one specific addition
  375. # [18:31] <adrianba> ...from the open subtitles conference in NY
  376. # [18:31] <adrianba> ...we decided not to update for caption
  377. # [18:31] <adrianba> ...this was localised feedback and we need to be more international
  378. # [18:32] <adrianba> ...we wanted to add the example of ancilliary content that we stumbled across since it is html5
  379. # [18:32] <adrianba> ...specific for javascript that annotates video
  380. # [18:32] <adrianba> ...after that i don't think there is any impediment for closing on these
  381. # [18:32] * Quits: oedipus (chatzilla@70.21.184.131) (Client exited)
  382. # [18:32] <adrianba> ...the group is interested to understand when the spec language will be in
  383. # [18:33] <adrianba> ...we have a new law in the united states where if you broadcast something digitally and put it on the web you have to meet these requirements
  384. # [18:33] <adrianba> paulc: we have the user requirements, they have been out since august, the TF wants to make one update
  385. # [18:33] <adrianba> janina: i will have the update done by friday
  386. # [18:34] <adrianba> paulc: and then on the spec additions you're saying they haven't been done and you'd like to know the schedule
  387. # [18:34] <adrianba> janina: yes, exactly
  388. # [18:34] <adrianba> paul: this was requested in september and there aren't any replies on the public archive
  389. # [18:34] <adrianba> ...the chairs will take an action to follow-up
  390. # [18:35] <adrianba> ACTION: paulc to check on the status of the request for spec additions related to the <track> element
  391. # [18:35] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  392. # [18:35] * RRSAgent records action 3
  393. # [18:35] <trackbot> Created ACTION-189 - Check on the status of the request for spec additions related to the <track> element [on Paul Cotton - due 2010-10-21].
  394. # [18:36] <adrianba> TOPIC: Joint meeting with ECMA TC39
  395. # [18:36] <adrianba> paulc: want to bring this to the attention of the group
  396. # [18:36] <adrianba> ...this is the follow-up to the joint meeting from Nov 2009
  397. # [18:36] <adrianba> ...it's great news that cameron has returned and has already started editing
  398. # [18:36] <adrianba> ...he will be attending
  399. # [18:37] <adrianba> ...it will be in the Bay area but the exact location hasn't been set yet
  400. # [18:37] <adrianba> ...we'll update when we hear
  401. # [18:37] <adrianba> ...would like to encourage people to attend if they can for this one day meeting
  402. # [18:37] <adrianba> TOPIC: Task Force Reports - Accessibility Task Force
  403. # [18:37] <adrianba> janina: all of the groups are moving forward in their areas
  404. # [18:38] <adrianba> ...i sat in on the aria mappings meeting and they are going through the remaining bugs
  405. # [18:38] <adrianba> ...we heard in the call today about the bugs requiring work
  406. # [18:38] <adrianba> ...not much to report - people still working on the current issues
  407. # [18:38] <adrianba> paulc: are there any issues that the TF needs help with?
  408. # [18:38] <adrianba> janina: not that i'm aware of
  409. # [18:39] <adrianba> ...there were questions about whether i had correctly represented the the canvas position correctly
  410. # [18:39] <adrianba> paulc: is this about the survey for issue-74?
  411. # [18:40] <adrianba> cyns: the question was about the survey went with only ian's counter proposal but not the original proposal
  412. # [18:40] <adrianba> ...janina reminded me we withdrew the original
  413. # [18:40] <adrianba> ...but ian's counter proposal was countering something that wasn't there
  414. # [18:40] <adrianba> ...we decided to postpone the change proposal until it is more mature
  415. # [18:40] <Julian> Zakim, who's making noise?
  416. # [18:41] <Zakim> Julian, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: 11 (5%), [Microsoft] (19%)
  417. # [18:41] <adrianba> ...wasn't sure if the plan was to deal with the counter-proposal
  418. # [18:41] <MikeSmith> Zakim, drop 11
  419. # [18:41] <Zakim> sorry, MikeSmith, I do not see a party named '11'
  420. # [18:41] <paulc> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/issues-74-and-105-objection-poll/
  421. # [18:42] <adrianba> rubys: this survey is different from the others that listed all the change proposals
  422. # [18:42] <paulc> issue-131?
  423. # [18:42] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-131
  424. # [18:42] <trackbot> ISSUE-131 -- Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? -- raised
  425. # [18:42] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131
  426. # [18:42] <adrianba> ...we broke out the individual items because the proposals overlap
  427. # [18:42] <MikeSmith> Zakim, who's on the phone?
  428. # [18:42] <Zakim> On the phone I see [Microsoft], Julian, Sam, Mike (muted), [Microsoft.a], Radhika_Roy, [Microsoft.aa], +1.971.998.aaaa, +33.6.72.99.aabb, Janina_Sajka, ??P33
  429. # [18:42] <Zakim> [Microsoft.aa] has eliot
  430. # [18:42] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc
  431. # [18:42] <Zakim> [Microsoft.a] has adrianba, krisk
  432. # [18:42] <adrianba> ...so for the first question - it gives the issue but then lists the change proposals that contribute to the question
  433. # [18:43] <adrianba> ...we did put out issue 131 that we'll deal with later
  434. # [18:43] <adrianba> cyns: i guess my confusion is that item 4 looks like the counter proposal to issue 131
  435. # [18:43] <adrianba> rubys: we should maybe consider deferring question 4 - i can see your point
  436. # [18:44] <adrianba> paulc: i think sam's suggestion is that you should flag this issue on the public list and then the chairs will respond
  437. # [18:44] <adrianba> cyns: i'll do that
  438. # [18:44] <adrianba> paulc: if you do it quickly, you'll get a quick response
  439. # [18:44] <adrianba> ...anything else we need to discuss?
  440. # [18:44] <adrianba> TOPIC: Task Force Reports - Testing Task Force
  441. # [18:44] <krisk> October is turning out to be a busy month (22 posts to the list so far, most in a month was in june with 55 posts)
  442. # [18:45] <adrianba> krisk: october is a busy month - we extended the meeting schedule
  443. # [18:45] <adrianba> ...it's the same time/ day of week/ etc
  444. # [18:45] <adrianba> no meeting on 11/2 because of tpac
  445. # [18:45] <adrianba> and no meeting on 12/28 because of the holidays
  446. # [18:45] <adrianba> krisk: i'll be at tpac if people want to meet face to face
  447. # [18:45] <Zakim> -Mike
  448. # [18:45] <adrianba> ...we met on 10/5 and the next meeting is tuesday 10/19
  449. # [18:46] <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike
  450. # [18:46] <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
  451. # [18:46] <Zakim> +Mike
  452. # [18:46] <krisk> Notes -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2010Oct/0021.html
  453. # [18:46] <adrianba> paulc: update on where we are on accepted tests and the queue?
  454. # [18:46] <adrianba> krisk: we have 187 approved tests and no bugs
  455. # [18:46] <MikeSmith> Zakim, mute Mike
  456. # [18:46] <Zakim> Mike should now be muted
  457. # [18:46] <adrianba> ...we'll have getElementsByClassName and some canvas tests added next
  458. # [18:46] <adrianba> ...there is some dicussion about tests that cover multiple w3c specs
  459. # [18:47] <adrianba> ...vs normative requirements per the html5 spec
  460. # [18:47] <adrianba> ...the one case that sparked this discussion was combining svg with canvas
  461. # [18:47] <adrianba> ...the html5 doesn't have a normative requirement that canvas support svg
  462. # [18:47] <adrianba> ...would like to encourage vendors to update the xml for their conformance report
  463. # [18:48] <adrianba> paulc: how many do you have?
  464. # [18:48] <adrianba> krisk: we have the all the main ones but most of the vendors have new versions of their software and there are new tests
  465. # [18:48] <adrianba> paulc: did the svg/canvas issue create a bug on the spec?
  466. # [18:48] <adrianba> krisk: well, the spec doesn't specify any image formats today
  467. # [18:49] <adrianba> ...we could create a bug
  468. # [18:49] <adrianba> ...there are some things we have to assume like javascript
  469. # [18:49] <adrianba> ...but others we have to test and you could definitely test canvas without testing svg
  470. # [18:49] <adrianba> paulc: so you're trying to understand the core
  471. # [18:50] <adrianba> rubys: this will be controversial because we don't specify media codecs and this might open up that issue again
  472. # [18:50] <adrianba> krisk: the thread ended really with the point that we don't need to make this a requirement
  473. # [18:50] <adrianba> ...but in future this kind of combination will be more common
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  476. # [18:50] <adrianba> ...with svg it's an open spec, a recommendation
  477. # [18:51] <adrianba> paulc: okay, any other comments?
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  479. # [18:51] <adrianba> krisk: no, that's it
  480. # [18:51] <adrianba> paulc: any questions?
  481. # [18:51] <adrianba> TOPIC: Other business
  482. # [18:51] <adrianba> paulc: anyone want to discuss anything else?
  483. # [18:51] <adrianba> TOPIC: Scribe for next meeting
  484. # [18:52] <adrianba> paulc: sam will chair next week, paulc will scribe unless anyone else wants to
  485. # [18:52] <adrianba> TOPIC: Adjournment
  486. # [18:52] <Julian> bye
  487. # [18:52] <Zakim> -Julian
  488. # [18:52] <adrianba> paulc: i'll adjourn the meeting then
  489. # [18:52] <Zakim> - +1.971.998.aaaa
  490. # [18:52] <Zakim> -Radhika_Roy
  491. # [18:52] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.aa]
  492. # [18:52] <Zakim> - +33.6.72.99.aabb
  493. # [18:52] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  494. # [18:52] <Zakim> -Janina_Sajka
  495. # [18:52] <adrianba> rrsagent, make minutes
  496. # [18:52] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/10/14-html-wg-minutes.html adrianba
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  498. # [18:52] <Zakim> -Sam
  499. # [18:52] <Zakim> -??P33
  500. # [18:52] <adrianba> rrsagent, make logs public
  501. # [18:52] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, adrianba
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  503. # [18:52] <MikeSmith> Zakim, drop Mike
  504. # [18:52] <Zakim> Mike is being disconnected
  505. # [18:52] <Zakim> -Mike
  506. # [18:52] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
  507. # [18:53] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  508. # [18:53] <Zakim> Attendees were Julian, Sam, paulc, Mike, [Microsoft], Radhika_Roy, adrianba, krisk, eliot, +1.971.998.aaaa, +33.6.72.99.aabb, Janina_Sajka
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  511. # [18:53] <adrianba> rrsagent, make minutes
  512. # [18:53] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/10/14-html-wg-minutes.html adrianba
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