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  5. # [00:33] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11154] Microdata is in section 5. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/3045.html> ** [Bug 11154] New: Microdata is in section 5. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/3044.html>
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  12. # [01:33] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10712] Drag and Drop: Add an attribute to identify drop targets <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/3046.html>
  13. # [02:03] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11099] clarify that "element's tag name" and "attribute's name" are qualified name <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/3047.html>
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  24. # [08:05] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11155] New: In the "in column group" insertion mode if we get an EOF, presumably we should stop parsing even if the fake </colgroup> tag was ignored. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/3048.html>
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  30. # [09:35] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11156] New: <input type=hidden> should not set frameset-ok to 'not ok' <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/3049.html>
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  35. # [11:36] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11099] clarify that "element's tag name" and "attribute's name" are qualified name <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/3050.html>
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  45. # [13:36] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10934] discuss contenteditable interaction with APIs in user agent implementation guide <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/3053.html> ** [Bug 11027] provide text alternatives for images feedback from Everett Zufelt <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/3052.html> ** [Bug 10935] consider 10.4 Bindings impact on UAG <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzil
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  68. # [17:37] <pimpbot> changes: steve: updates based on Gez's comments <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Oct/0159.html>
  69. # [17:37] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9706] several bugs and comments on the draft <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/3055.html> ** [Bug 9215] Provide a Webcam example that is in accord with WCAG 2 or Defer to "HTML5: Techniques for providing useful text alternatives" <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Oct/3054.html>
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  75. # [17:59] <paulc> rubys: I thought you were travelling/on vacation?
  76. # [17:59] <rubys> I am :-)
  77. # [18:00] <rubys> Stopped for lunch, have access to the internet, but do not have convenient access to a phone
  78. # [18:00] <Julian> don't go near France, Sam :-)
  79. # [18:00] <paulc> ok
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  81. # [18:00] <paulc> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2010OctDec/0005.html
  82. # [18:00] <pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG Telecon 2010-10-28: status of actions, calls, issues, heartbeat drafts, TPAC, Task Force reports from Paul Cotton on 2010-10-28 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from October to December 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  83. # [18:00] <Julian> (because of the strikes, if this wasn't clear)
  84. # [18:00] <paulc> trackbot, start meeting
  85. # [18:00] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference
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  87. # [18:00] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/10/28-html-wg-irc
  88. # [18:00] <mjs> morning, folks
  89. # [18:00] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  90. # [18:00] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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  92. # [18:00] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
  93. # [18:00] <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
  94. # [18:00] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  95. # [18:00] <trackbot> Date: 28 October 2010
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  97. # [18:01] * dsinger_ zakim, mute dsinger
  98. # [18:01] * Zakim dsinger should now be muted
  99. # [18:01] <Julian> Zakim, who's on the phone?
  100. # [18:01] <Zakim> On the phone I see Julian, dsinger (muted)
  101. # [18:01] <Zakim> +John_Foliot
  102. # [18:01] <dsinger_> zakim, who is here?
  103. # [18:01] <Zakim> On the phone I see Julian, dsinger (muted), John_Foliot
  104. # [18:01] <Zakim> On IRC I see Mark, Zakim, RRSAgent, dsinger_, rubys, paulc, JF, kennyluck, MikeSmith, aroben, Julian, plh, gavin__, Martijnc, mjs, arronei, shepazu, krijnh, karl, hober, inimino,
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  106. # [18:01] <Zakim> ... gsnedders, jgraham, anne, CIA-1, Shunsuke, heycam, webr3, Hixie, webben, Dashiva, sideshow, gavin, ed_work, Philip, pimpbot, jmb, Jedi, Yudai, drry, hsivonen, jwm, trackbot
  107. # [18:01] <Zakim> +Radhika_Roy
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  109. # [18:02] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  110. # [18:02] <janina> zakim, call janina
  111. # [18:02] <Zakim> ok, janina; the call is being made
  112. # [18:02] * dsinger_ mornin to you mjs
  113. # [18:02] <Zakim> +Janina
  114. # [18:02] <Zakim> -Janina
  115. # [18:02] <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike-goog
  116. # [18:02] <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
  117. # [18:02] <Zakim> +Mike
  118. # [18:02] <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
  119. # [18:02] <Zakim> +paulc; got it
  120. # [18:02] <paulc> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2010OctDec/0005.html
  121. # [18:02] <pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG Telecon 2010-10-28: status of actions, calls, issues, heartbeat drafts, TPAC, Task Force reports from Paul Cotton on 2010-10-28 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from October to December 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  122. # [18:03] <janina> Good morning!
  123. # [18:03] <janina> zakim, drop janina
  124. # [18:03] <Zakim> sorry, janina, I do not see a party named 'janina'
  125. # [18:03] <janina> zakim, call janina
  126. # [18:03] <Zakim> ok, janina; the call is being made
  127. # [18:03] <Zakim> +Janina
  128. # [18:03] * dsinger_ mjs is on irc but not yet dialed in
  129. # [18:03] <mjs> I'm dialing
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  132. # [18:04] <paulc> zakim, who is here?
  133. # [18:04] <Zakim> On the phone I see Julian, dsinger (muted), John_Foliot, Radhika_Roy, [Microsoft], Janina, Mike
  134. # [18:04] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc
  135. # [18:04] <Zakim> On IRC I see krisk, stan_manoski, janina, Dzung_Tran, Mark, Zakim, RRSAgent, dsinger_, rubys, paulc, JF, kennyluck, MikeSmith, aroben, Julian, plh, gavin__, Martijnc, mjs, arronei,
  136. # [18:04] <Zakim> ... shepazu, krijnh, karl, hober, inimino, gsnedders, jgraham, anne, CIA-1, Shunsuke, heycam, webr3, Hixie, webben, Dashiva, sideshow, gavin, ed_work, Philip, pimpbot, jmb, Jedi,
  137. # [18:04] <Zakim> ... Yudai, drry, hsivonen, jwm, trackbot
  138. # [18:05] <Zakim> +mjs
  139. # [18:05] <Zakim> + +1.732.859.aaaa
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  141. # [18:05] * plh zakim, call plh-work
  142. # [18:05] * Zakim ok, plh; the call is being made
  143. # [18:05] <Zakim> +Plh
  144. # [18:05] * dsinger_ hi!
  145. # [18:05] <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
  146. # [18:05] * dsinger_ zakim, who is on the phone?
  147. # [18:05] * Zakim sees on the phone: Julian, dsinger (muted), John_Foliot, Radhika_Roy, [Microsoft], Janina, Mike, mjs, +1.732.859.aaaa, Plh, Cynthia_Shelly
  148. # [18:05] * Zakim [Microsoft] has paulc
  149. # [18:05] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  150. # [18:05] <Zakim> -mjs
  151. # [18:06] <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft.a] has adrianba, krisk
  152. # [18:06] <Zakim> +adrianba, krisk; got it
  153. # [18:06] <Zakim> +mjs
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  155. # [18:06] * dsinger_ you are getting very poor coverage, mjs, very metallic sound
  156. # [18:07] * rubys bets mjs has AT&T
  157. # [18:07] <paulc> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2010OctDec/0005.html
  158. # [18:07] <Zakim> +Laura_Carlson
  159. # [18:07] <pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG Telecon 2010-10-28: status of actions, calls, issues, heartbeat drafts, TPAC, Task Force reports from Paul Cotton on 2010-10-28 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from October to December 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  160. # [18:07] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.aa]
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  162. # [18:08] * adrianba can scribe
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  164. # [18:08] <adrianba> Chair: Maciej Stachowiak
  165. # [18:08] <adrianba> ScribeNick: adrianba
  166. # [18:08] <adrianba> Scribe: Adrian Bateman
  167. # [18:08] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.aaa]
  168. # [18:08] <eliot> zakim, microsoft.aaa is me
  169. # [18:08] <Zakim> +eliot; got it
  170. # [18:08] <adrianba> TOPIC: ACTION items due by Thursday, October 28
  171. # [18:09] * dsinger_ we need the owner of 732... To say zakim, aaaa is me
  172. # [18:09] <adrianba> ACTION-187?
  173. # [18:09] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-187
  174. # [18:09] <trackbot> ACTION-187 -- Maciej Stachowiak to inform the group that no comments on issue-9 requirements means they will be accepted -- due 2010-10-28 -- OPEN
  175. # [18:09] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/187
  176. # [18:09] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-187: Inform the group that no comments on issue-9 requirements means they will be accepted - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  177. # [18:09] <adrianba> mjs: that is done - sent that notice
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  179. # [18:09] <adrianba> ...caused some discussion on the mailing list including some pushback
  180. # [18:09] <adrianba> ...encourage anyone else with comments to read and review the requirements
  181. # [18:10] <adrianba> TOPIC: New Issues This Week
  182. # [18:10] <paulc> close ACTION-187
  183. # [18:10] * trackbot attempting to close ACTION-187.
  184. # [18:10] <trackbot> ACTION-187 Inform the group that no comments on issue-9 requirements means they will be accepted closed
  185. # [18:10] <adrianba> mjs: chairs entered some of the tracker backlog into the tracker since the last telcon so there are quite a few
  186. # [18:10] <stan_manoski> zakim, aaaa is me
  187. # [18:10] <Zakim> +stan_manoski; got it
  188. # [18:10] <adrianba> ISSUE-132?
  189. # [18:10] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-132
  190. # [18:10] <trackbot> ISSUE-132 -- Drop the color input type -- raised
  191. # [18:10] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/132
  192. # [18:10] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-132: Drop the color input type - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  193. # [18:10] <adrianba> mjs: suggests removing the input type=color control
  194. # [18:11] <adrianba> ISSUE-133?
  195. # [18:11] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-133
  196. # [18:12] <adrianba> mjs: request to add some functionality - an attribute for a modal dialog
  197. # [18:12] * dsinger_ you are getting somewhat muffled and quiet...
  198. # [18:12] <adrianba> ISSUE-134?
  199. # [18:12] <trackbot> ISSUE-133 -- Add a modal attribute to html5 to indicate a modal segment of the DOM (modal dialog) -- raised
  200. # [18:12] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/133
  201. # [18:12] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-134
  202. # [18:12] <trackbot> ISSUE-134 -- Provide tablist and tab states for menu and command elements respectively -- raised
  203. # [18:12] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/134
  204. # [18:12] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-133: Add a modal attribute to html5 to indicate a modal segment of the DOM (modal dialog) - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  205. # [18:13] <adrianba> ISSUE-135?
  206. # [18:13] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-135
  207. # [18:13] <trackbot> ISSUE-135 -- put back direct link to the W3C version of the canvas 2d context spec -- raised
  208. # [18:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/135
  209. # [18:13] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-135: put back direct link to the W3C version of the canvas 2d context spec - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  210. # [18:13] <adrianba> mjs: suggests adding link back to the w3c canvas spec
  211. # [18:13] <adrianba> ISSUE-136?
  212. # [18:13] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-136
  213. # [18:13] <trackbot> ISSUE-136 -- would the <small> element be better handled in CSS? -- raised
  214. # [18:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/136
  215. # [18:13] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-136: would the element be better handled in CSS? - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  216. # [18:13] <adrianba> mjs: suggests removing the small element
  217. # [18:14] <adrianba> ISSUE-137?
  218. # [18:14] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-137
  219. # [18:14] <trackbot> ISSUE-137 -- Since Javascript does not support mode specifiers inside the regular expression, there is no simple way of matching a single word case-insensitively besides turning into [Ww][Oo][Rr][Dd] -- raised
  220. # [18:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/137
  221. # [18:14] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-137: Since Javascript does not support mode specifiers inside the regular expression, there is no simple way of matching a single word case-insensitively besides turning into [Ww][Oo][Rr][Dd] - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  222. # [18:14] <adrianba> ISSUE-138?
  223. # [18:14] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-138
  224. # [18:14] <trackbot> ISSUE-138 -- "mutate action" for issueing a GET request is misleading -- raised
  225. # [18:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/138
  226. # [18:14] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-138: "mutate action" for issueing a GET request is misleading - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  227. # [18:15] <adrianba> mjs: this is about form submission algorithm in the spec
  228. # [18:15] <adrianba> ...and the particular way it describes some things is confusing - suggested changes to fix that
  229. # [18:15] <adrianba> ISSUE-139?
  230. # [18:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-139
  231. # [18:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-139 -- HTML5 spec mentions Microdata in Acknowledgements -- raised
  232. # [18:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/139
  233. # [18:15] <adrianba> mjs: suggests moving the acknowledgements for microdata from the html5 spec to the microdata spec
  234. # [18:15] <adrianba> ISSUE-140?
  235. # [18:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-140
  236. # [18:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-140 -- clarify the applicability of the term "conforming document" in cases where "applicable specifications" had been used to augment or change the base HTML5 specification -- raised
  237. # [18:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/140
  238. # [18:15] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-140: clarify the applicability of the term "conforming document" in cases where "applicable specifications" had been used to augment or change the base HTML5 specification - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  239. # [18:16] <adrianba> mjs: this is about having the term conforming document defined with the relationship to applicable specs
  240. # [18:16] <adrianba> ...currently caught up with tracker requests
  241. # [18:16] <adrianba> ...we've gone through most of the bugs for last call already
  242. # [18:17] <adrianba> ...encourage people to review the issues to see if they want to write a change proposal
  243. # [18:17] <adrianba> ...questions or comments?
  244. # [18:17] <adrianba> TOPIC: Items Closing this Week
  245. # [18:17] <adrianba> ISSUE-121?
  246. # [18:17] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-121
  247. # [18:17] <trackbot> ISSUE-121 -- Do not ignore HTTP caching rules -- raised
  248. # [18:17] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/121
  249. # [18:17] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-121: Do not ignore HTTP caching rules - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  250. # [18:17] <adrianba> mjs: http-caching - change proposal due oct 30, saturday
  251. # [18:18] <adrianba> ...should volunteer by then or it will be closed without prejudice
  252. # [18:18] <adrianba> TOPIC: New Calls this week
  253. # [18:18] <adrianba> ISSUE-122?
  254. # [18:18] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-122
  255. # [18:18] <trackbot> ISSUE-122 -- alt text and description for Lady of Shalott example -- open
  256. # [18:18] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/122
  257. # [18:18] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-122: alt text and description for Lady of Shalott example - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  258. # [18:18] <adrianba> mjs: already have a call for proposal - only have null proposal but not a proposal for the original issue
  259. # [18:19] <adrianba> ...chairs reviewed and decided it made more sense to apply the reasoning of this issue to all the wg publications
  260. # [18:19] <adrianba> ...that means that we're asking again for proposals given the expanded scope
  261. # [18:19] <adrianba> ...and asking for the original proposal to be updated to include proposals for all drafts
  262. # [18:19] <adrianba> TOPIC: Heart beat publications
  263. # [18:20] <adrianba> mjs: our heartbeat publications did get published
  264. # [18:20] <adrianba> ...we had another round of all 8 of our drafts published once again
  265. # [18:20] <adrianba> ...good to keep that heartbeat going
  266. # [18:20] <paulc> q+
  267. # [18:20] * Zakim sees paulc on the speaker queue
  268. # [18:21] <adrianba> paulc: we made a change at the last moment to take comment form off the html5 document and we discovered that microdata and canvas also had the form
  269. # [18:21] <adrianba> ...and so those have been removed for now too
  270. # [18:21] <paulc> ack paulc
  271. # [18:21] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  272. # [18:21] <adrianba> ...chairs did take that feedback from the working group
  273. # [18:22] <adrianba> TOPIC: TPAC next week
  274. # [18:22] <adrianba> mjs: next week is w3c technical plenary and advisory commitee meeting
  275. # [18:22] <adrianba> ...html wg will have a f2f on thursday/friday
  276. # [18:22] <adrianba> ...no telcon that week but will try to keep irc going
  277. # [18:23] <adrianba> ...so people will be able to participate by irc
  278. # [18:23] <adrianba> ...tp day will have interesting sessions including demo and panel discussion about html
  279. # [18:23] <adrianba> TOPIC: Media requirements update
  280. # [18:23] <JF> +q
  281. # [18:23] * Zakim sees JF on the speaker queue
  282. # [18:23] <adrianba> mjs: link in the agenda to the mail i sent out
  283. # [18:24] <adrianba> ...there have been comments on the mailing list
  284. # [18:24] <JF> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Media_Accessibility_Checklist
  285. # [18:24] <pimpbot> Title: Media Accessibility Checklist - HTML accessibility task force Wiki (at www.w3.org)
  286. # [18:24] <adrianba> john: regarding the requirements, if people could look at the checklist as a primary list
  287. # [18:24] <adrianba> ...one of the things we've tried to do is to map these requirements against WCAG and UAAG
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  289. # [18:24] <adrianba> ...and using must, should, may criteria
  290. # [18:25] <adrianba> ...if people could look at that and take that into account to try to understand how we got to where we are
  291. # [18:25] <adrianba> janina: i'm glad the discussion is happening - it was making me nervous that there wasn't any
  292. # [18:25] <paulc> q+
  293. # [18:25] * Zakim sees JF, paulc on the speaker queue
  294. # [18:25] <adrianba> cyns: glad to hear the questions about priority have been addressed - they will be important to make sure we have progress in html5
  295. # [18:25] <JF> ack JF
  296. # [18:26] * Zakim sees paulc on the speaker queue
  297. # [18:26] <adrianba> janina: we will do our best to participate in the discussion as well - haven't weighed in yet on the recent mails
  298. # [18:26] <adrianba> q?
  299. # [18:26] * Zakim sees paulc on the speaker queue
  300. # [18:26] <adrianba> paulc: janina and other people interested, do we have someone on point to suggest on thursday morning that we have a discussion during the f2f
  301. # [18:27] <adrianba> janina: i am in favour of doing that - thursday is the best day
  302. # [18:27] <adrianba> ...unfortunately not many media people will be there but have indicated they can participate by telcon
  303. # [18:27] <adrianba> ...the more notice the better
  304. # [18:27] <adrianba> paulc: i answered the logistical set-up question for tpac and we didn't request telcon facilities
  305. # [18:28] <adrianba> ...so it would have to be ad hoc
  306. # [18:28] <adrianba> janina: okay
  307. # [18:28] <adrianba> paulc: we didn't have that at tpac 2009
  308. # [18:28] <MikeSmith> q+ to say that is normally works pretty well to just use Skype
  309. # [18:28] * Zakim sees paulc, MikeSmith on the speaker queue
  310. # [18:28] <adrianba> ...we said we would keep the irc channel open but not planning for telcon to be available
  311. # [18:28] <JF> +1 to skype
  312. # [18:28] <adrianba> ...hard for people to hear on the phone in a large room
  313. # [18:29] <adrianba> ...we can try to set-up something but someone needs to be on point to arrange that
  314. # [18:29] <adrianba> ...if someone is going to use Skype or a personal laptop - might be worth anchoring when that session should happen if we consensus to hold it
  315. # [18:29] <adrianba> ...if we could have some discussion about having this on the public list it would help
  316. # [18:29] <adrianba> ...that's what i meant by on point
  317. # [18:30] <adrianba> ...fyi, i did request a breakout room so we can do some topics simultaneously
  318. # [18:30] <adrianba> ...it's very possible a lot of people will want to discuss this topic
  319. # [18:30] <adrianba> janina: i think looking for a time might be a good thing to decide early but we might not be able to resolve the technology before we get there
  320. # [18:31] <adrianba> ...since it is thur/fri we have time
  321. # [18:31] <paulc> ack paulc
  322. # [18:31] * Zakim sees MikeSmith on the speaker queue
  323. # [18:31] <adrianba> cyns: might we worth mailing people who will be there to bring some hardware
  324. # [18:31] <adrianba> janina: better to use a good device but we can try to do something
  325. # [18:32] <adrianba> q?
  326. # [18:32] * Zakim sees MikeSmith on the speaker queue
  327. # [18:32] <MikeSmith> I'm not sure we necessarily need a speaker phone.. I have had good results with just using normal speaker and mike from my PC
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  329. # [18:32] <Zakim> +[Apple]
  330. # [18:32] <plh> Mike?
  331. # [18:32] <adrianba> MikeSmith: in my exp.....
  332. # [18:32] <plh> can't hear you
  333. # [18:32] <Zakim> -dsinger
  334. # [18:32] <dsinger> zakim, [apple] has dsinger
  335. # [18:32] <Zakim> +dsinger; got it
  336. # [18:33] <Zakim> -Mike
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  338. # [18:33] * dsinger dave just switched from cell to office as he arrived there, that's all
  339. # [18:33] <adrianba> ack next
  340. # [18:33] * Zakim sees MikeSmith at the head of the speaker queue
  341. # [18:33] <Zakim> MikeSmith, you wanted to say that is normally works pretty well to just use Skype
  342. # [18:33] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  343. # [18:34] <adrianba> TOPIC: Task Force reports - Accessibility Task Force
  344. # [18:34] <adrianba> janina: there isn't anything particular to report beyond what was discussed already for media
  345. # [18:34] <adrianba> ...groups continue to work but nothing particular to report
  346. # [18:34] <adrianba> TOPIC: Task Force reports - Testing Task Force
  347. # [18:35] <adrianba> krisk: we met as planned last week - on 10/19
  348. # [18:35] <krisk> Notes -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2010Oct/0024.html
  349. # [18:35] <pimpbot> Title: RE: HTML Testing Task Force Conf Call Agenda 10/19/2010 from Kris Krueger on 2010-10-28 (public-html-testsuite@w3.org from October 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  350. # [18:35] <adrianba> ...there's no meeting on 11/2 because of tpac
  351. # [18:35] <adrianba> ...next meeting is 11/16 - schedule is on the wiki
  352. # [18:35] <adrianba> ...group approved more tests
  353. # [18:35] <adrianba> ...now have 212 approved tests
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  355. # [18:35] <adrianba> ...we don't have any active bugs for approved tests at this time, good
  356. # [18:36] <adrianba> ..other good stuff, microsoft updated test results for ie9 platform preview 6
  357. # [18:36] <adrianba> ...google also sent in results to the list so their results are updated for chrome7
  358. # [18:36] <adrianba> ...which is good to see
  359. # [18:36] <adrianba> ...would be good to see other browser vendors update their tests too - they're getting kind of old
  360. # [18:37] <adrianba> ...that's it - i'll be at tpac if anyone wants to talk about testing
  361. # [18:37] <Zakim> -mjs
  362. # [18:37] <adrianba> ...any questions?
  363. # [18:37] <mjs> sorry, I fell off the line, dialing again
  364. # [18:37] <adrianba> http://test.w3.org/html/tests/reporting/report.htm
  365. # [18:37] <pimpbot> Title: HTML5 Conformance Test Results (at test.w3.org)
  366. # [18:37] <Zakim> +mjs
  367. # [18:37] <adrianba> paulc: krisk, are anticipating wanting to have a session during the f2f on testing?
  368. # [18:38] <adrianba> krisk: yes, i'd like to
  369. # [18:38] <adrianba> paulc: i'd encourage you to start a thread on the mailing list
  370. # [18:38] <adrianba> ...you might suggest some items for discussion
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  372. # [18:38] <adrianba> ...i'd like to start collecting stuff over the next week so we aren't surprised by topics on thursday morning
  373. # [18:38] <krisk> that makes sense - I'll send something out to the list before next thursday
  374. # [18:39] <adrianba> TOPIC: Chairs request to revert change to Editor's Draft
  375. # [18:39] <adrianba> mjs: chairs have made request to revert changes to recent editor's draft
  376. # [18:39] <adrianba> ...that included link to whatwg draft and grayed out all the text
  377. # [18:39] <plh> q+
  378. # [18:39] * Zakim sees plh on the speaker queue
  379. # [18:39] <adrianba> ...any questions or comments?
  380. # [18:39] <Julian> q+
  381. # [18:39] * Zakim sees plh, Julian on the speaker queue
  382. # [18:39] <Julian> q+
  383. # [18:39] * Zakim sees plh, Julian on the speaker queue
  384. # [18:40] <mjs> ack plh
  385. # [18:40] * Zakim sees Julian on the speaker queue
  386. # [18:40] <adrianba> paulc: ian hasn't responded to my e-mail this morning but has responded to others
  387. # [18:40] <adrianba> plh: disappointed by the attitude of the editor at the moment, concerned about the current situation
  388. # [18:40] <adrianba> ...only comment i want to make at this time
  389. # [18:40] <mjs> ack Julian
  390. # [18:40] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  391. # [18:40] <paulc> Chairs request to revert change to Editor's Draft http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Oct/0436.html
  392. # [18:40] <pimpbot> Title: RE: Request to Revert revision 1.4525 from Paul Cotton on 2010-10-28 (public-html@w3.org from October 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  393. # [18:40] * rubys hixie ?
  394. # [18:40] <adrianba> julian: i have a question, does anyone know what the technical issue is that caused the change, if we know what it is we can understand how long it might be like this
  395. # [18:40] <adrianba> mjs: i don't think so
  396. # [18:41] <adrianba> ...i did specifically ask that
  397. # [18:41] <adrianba> julian: ok
  398. # [18:41] <adrianba> q?
  399. # [18:41] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  400. # [18:41] <adrianba> TOPIC: Other business
  401. # [18:41] <adrianba> mjs: anything else?
  402. # [18:42] <adrianba> TOPIC: Scribe for next meeting
  403. # [18:42] <adrianba> mjs: volunteers for two weeks from now?
  404. # [18:43] <adrianba> paulc: may be my turn to chair that meeting but that will be difficult for me to do because that occurs on the 11th and i'll be travelling that week
  405. # [18:43] <adrianba> ...i could scribe but not chair
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  407. # [18:43] <adrianba> mjs: we'll discuss this amongst the chairs
  408. # [18:43] <adrianba> TOPIC: Adjournment
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  410. # [18:44] <adrianba> mjs: adjourned - see you at tpac if you're there and on the telcon in 2 weeks
  411. # [18:44] <Zakim> -mjs
  412. # [18:44] <Zakim> -Julian
  413. # [18:44] <Zakim> -Janina
  414. # [18:44] <Zakim> -Plh
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  416. # [18:44] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
  417. # [18:44] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  418. # [18:44] <Zakim> -[Apple]
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  420. # [18:44] <Zakim> -eliot
  421. # [18:44] <Zakim> -stan_manoski
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  425. # [18:44] <Zakim> -Laura_Carlson
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  427. # [18:45] <Zakim> -Radhika_Roy
  428. # [18:45] <adrianba> rrsagent, make minutes
  429. # [18:45] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/10/28-html-wg-minutes.html adrianba
  430. # [18:45] <adrianba> rrsagent, make logs public
  431. # [18:45] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, adrianba
  432. # [18:49] <pimpbot> planet: HTML5, Using the whole PC: Sixth IE9 Platform Preview Available for Developers <http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2010/10/28/html5-using-the-whole-pc-sixth-ie9-platform-preview-available-for-developers.aspx>
  433. # [18:52] <adrianba> zakim, who is here?
  434. # [18:52] <Zakim> On the phone I see John_Foliot, [Microsoft.aa]
  435. # [18:52] <Zakim> On IRC I see MikeSmith, Norm, Lachy, Laura, adrianba, krisk, janina, Dzung_Tran, Zakim, RRSAgent, rubys, kennyluck, aroben, Julian, plh, gavin__, Martijnc, mjs, arronei, shepazu,
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  437. # [18:52] <Zakim> ... drry, hsivonen, jwm, trackbot
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  440. # [18:55] <adrianba> zakim, bye
  441. # [18:55] <Zakim> leaving. As of this point the attendees were Julian, dsinger, John_Foliot, Radhika_Roy, Janina, Mike, paulc, mjs, +1.732.859.aaaa, Plh, Cynthia_Shelly, [Microsoft], adrianba,
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  443. # [18:55] <Zakim> ... krisk, Laura_Carlson, eliot, stan_manoski
  444. # [18:55] <adrianba> rrsagent, make minutes
  445. # [18:55] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/10/28-html-wg-minutes.html adrianba
  446. # [18:55] <pimpbot> Title: HTML Weekly Teleconference -- 28 Oct 2010 (at www.w3.org)
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