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  1. # Session Start: Sat Nov 13 00:00:02 2010
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  3. # [00:11] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10642] No alternative text description for video key frame (poster) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Nov/0534.html>
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  5. # [01:12] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: ack for last checkin (whatwg r5680) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Nov/0018.html> ** hixie: Make about:srcdoc documents have better defined handling for base URL, Referer headers, and location.reload(). (whatwg r5679) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Nov/0017.html>
  6. # [01:12] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11300] Remove form owner from scope chain in event handlers <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Nov/0535.html>
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  11. # [02:21] <sephr> Hey, I have a question about XHTML5: why do you even support XHTML5 if you're not going to define a DTD for it? No named entities work in XHTML5 because there's no SYSTEM in the DOCTYPE.
  12. # [02:22] <sephr> there needs to be a system for XHTML5 like <!DOCTYPE html SYSTEM "http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/DTD/html5.dtd">
  13. # [02:22] <gsnedders> sephr: Is there only any point in it if it has named entities?
  14. # [02:23] <gsnedders> sephr: Bear in mind parsers aren't required to read the DTD
  15. # [02:23] <sephr> gsnedders: it makes XHTML5 useless/dangerous as most people will assume they can use named entities like &nbsp;
  16. # [02:23] <sephr> gsnedders: I know, but at least firefox does
  17. # [02:23] <sephr> and chrome ignore it
  18. # [02:23] <sephr> ignores*
  19. # [02:24] <gsnedders> sephr: People can't safely use them even if it does have one for the above reason. It seems safer for it to always be a fatal error and make sure it's consistent.
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  21. # [02:25] <sephr> gsnedders: so you're saying that XHTML5 users shouldn't be allowed to enjoy the pre-defined named entities in HTML5?
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  23. # [02:26] <gsnedders> sephr: They can't ever rely upon them even if there is an external DTD
  24. # [02:26] <gsnedders> sephr: So, yes, it seems safer to not allow them to,
  25. # [02:26] <sephr> gsnedders: that's not the point
  26. # [02:26] <gsnedders> And when you should probably be using a serializer to ensure your output well-formed, you shouldn't manually be dealing with entities anyway…
  27. # [02:27] <sephr> gsnedders: the point is that if an XHTML5 dtd was added to the spec, then browsers that ignore external DTDs will actually add the DTD to their internal list
  28. # [02:27] <sephr> like chrome
  29. # [02:28] <sephr> the only way to get pre-defined named entities to work in XHTML5 is to at least declare an official DTD
  30. # [02:28] <gsnedders> Special casing formats in XML parser defeats one of the major aims of XML, which is consistency of parsing.
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  35. # [06:13] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10642] No alternative text description for video key frame (poster) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Nov/0536.html>
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  41. # [08:43] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 10642] No alternative text description for video key frame (poster)" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Nov/0537.html>
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  51. # [16:45] <pimpbot> planet: Re: XHTML Is Dead, Long Live XML-Valid HTML5 - Tantek <http://www.reddit.com/r/html5/comments/e5bw0/xhtml_is_dead_long_live_xmlvalid_html5_tantek/c15h5ui>
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  60. # [18:46] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 9628] Algorithm for detecting the charset="" parameter." (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Nov/0539.html>
  61. # [19:16] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9627] be more specific in external references <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Nov/0540.html>
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  66. # [20:46] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11310] New: room in rome <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Nov/0541.html>
  67. # [20:46] <pimpbot> planet: Re: XHTML Is Dead, Long Live XML-Valid HTML5 - Tantek <http://www.reddit.com/r/html5/comments/e5bw0/xhtml_is_dead_long_live_xmlvalid_html5_tantek/c15htbd>
  68. # [21:06] <Dashiva> Nice to see people still think XML improves performance
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  70. # [21:46] <pimpbot> changes: sam: Change proposals for 125, 126 <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Nov/0019.html>
  71. # [21:46] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10365] popstate event fires after onload (first page visit) -- intended behavior? would be annoying if there was a script that ajax loaded a page at onpopstate, and hand typing in a url, the page is returned by the server, and then onpopstate fires after onload, <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Nov/0542.html>
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  75. # [22:47] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 9628] Algorithm for detecting the charset="" parameter." (3 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Nov/0545.html>
  76. # [22:47] <pimpbot> planet: Re: XHTML Is Dead, Long Live XML-Valid HTML5 - Tantek <http://www.reddit.com/r/html5/comments/e5bw0/xhtml_is_dead_long_live_xmlvalid_html5_tantek/c15i52f>
  77. # [23:47] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11311] New: At http://dev.w3.org/html5/2dcontext/ The link under "This Version:" is not working. http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-2dcontext-20101109/ returns Error 404, "Sorry, Not Found." <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Nov/0546.html>
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