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  10. # [01:11] <pimpbot> changes: postmsg; : change shortname to webmessaging <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Nov/0038.html>
  11. # [01:22] <MikeSmith> action-198?
  12. # [01:22] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-198
  13. # [01:22] <trackbot> ACTION-198 -- Steve Faulkner to update change proposal for bug 10594 and 10603 -- due 2010-11-12 -- OPEN
  14. # [01:22] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/198
  15. # [01:22] <pimpbot> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10594 faulkner.steve, P1, RESOLVED WONTFIX, conforming use of various aria attributes not specified
  16. # [01:22] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-198: Update change proposal for bug 10594 and 10603 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  17. # [01:23] <MikeSmith> close action-198
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  19. # [01:23] <trackbot> ACTION-198 Update change proposal for bug 10594 and 10603 closed
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  51. # [05:42] <pimpbot> planet: Dead Code Elimination for Beginners <http://blog.mozilla.com/rob-sayre/2010/11/17/dead-code-elimination-for-beginners/> ** Firefox/Gecko Delivery Meeting Minutes: 2010-11-17 <http://blog.mozilla.com/meeting-notes/archives/434>
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  55. # [06:14] <Zeros> does anyone know the reason that custom namespaces were not added to HTML5?
  56. # [06:16] <Zeros> browsers seem to all handle xyz:custom for attributes and elements pretty much the same. Only IE requires xmlns.
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  60. # [07:10] <Hixie> Zeros: define "custom namespaces"?
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  65. # [09:09] <Zeros> Hixie, prefix syntax on elements
  66. # [09:10] <Zeros> seems related to issue 41
  67. # [09:11] <Hixie> what problem would it solve?
  68. # [09:11] <Hixie> i don't understand
  69. # [09:11] <Zeros> http://www.angularjs.org/
  70. # [09:11] <pimpbot> Title: AngularJS (at www.angularjs.org)
  71. # [09:11] <Zeros> That framework implements a large number of custom widgets and attributes and uses post processing to fill it the DOM nodes
  72. # [09:12] <Zeros> <ng:include src="'template.html'"></ng:include>
  73. # [09:13] <Zeros> Less about what problem it solves, but the framework works fine in every browser using that notation.
  74. # [09:13] <Hixie> that's not html
  75. # [09:13] <Hixie> it's just a proprietary language
  76. # [09:13] <Zeros> So not specifying it seems to deny what browsers already support
  77. # [09:13] <Hixie> so what html says doesn't seem very relevant
  78. # [09:14] <Zeros> the rules for parsing that into the DOM structure shouldn't be specified though?
  79. # [09:14] <Zeros> if browsers already handle it consistently
  80. # [09:14] <Hixie> they are
  81. # [09:14] <Zeros> ah, where?
  82. # [09:14] <Hixie> the html parser defines how you parse any input
  83. # [09:14] <Hixie> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/complete.html#parsing
  84. # [09:14] <pimpbot> Title: Web Applications 1.0 (at www.whatwg.org)
  85. # [09:15] <Zeros> I couldn't find anything about parsing a tag prefix
  86. # [09:16] <Zeros> The lead developers on that project were asking me about conformance, and I was looking for relevant parts of the spec
  87. # [09:17] <Hixie> it's not conforming -- it's not html at all
  88. # [09:17] <Hixie> there's no "tag prefix" in <ng:foo>, the element is just called "ng:foo"
  89. # [09:19] <Zeros> What do the parsing rules say about : in the name?
  90. # [09:19] <Hixie> nothing, it's treated the same as "a"
  91. # [09:21] <Zeros> So then as far as the parser is concerned it's just an unknown element and is inserted into the DOM?
  92. # [09:21] <Hixie> yes
  93. # [09:22] <Zeros> perfect, thanks
  94. # [09:23] <Zeros> it might be worth putting something to that effect into the spec near the section on namespaces
  95. # [09:23] <Zeros> prefix:something is not a namespace, just an known element with name "prefix:something"
  96. # [09:24] <Zeros> unknown*
  97. # [09:28] <Hixie> well they're not allowed in either case, so it's not clear what good it would do to mention them
  98. # [09:28] <Hixie> but i'll file a bug to think about it
  99. # [09:28] <Hixie> ok gotta go sleep now
  100. # [09:28] <Hixie> nn
  101. # [09:28] <Zeros> They were really confused by the line 'The HTML syntax does not support namespace declarations, even in foreign elements.'
  102. # [09:28] <Zeros> and thanks again, night
  103. # [09:29] <Hixie> what's confusing about it?
  104. # [09:31] <Zeros> They noticed that <foo:bar> is treated the same in most/all browsers in terms of DOM construction and parsing
  105. # [09:31] <Zeros> but then that line seems like a confirming HTML5 browser should not permit it at all
  106. # [09:31] <Hixie> so's <fooxbar>
  107. # [09:31] <Zeros> exactly
  108. # [09:31] <Hixie> the browser doesn't permit or deny anything
  109. # [09:31] <Zeros> right, but the : confuses XML namespaces
  110. # [09:32] <Zeros> so immediately they, and I, looked all over the spec at all sections that mention the word namespace
  111. # [09:32] <Zeros> "x" doesn't have special meaning in another SGML like language I know of
  112. # [09:33] <Hixie> well i filed http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11338
  113. # [09:33] <pimpbot> 11338: contributor, P3, NEW, Zeros says we should add a note here saying something like "In the HTML serialization, namespace prefixes and namespace declarations are non-conforming and are do not have the same effect as in XML. In particular, the colon has no special meaning in HTML
  114. # [09:33] <Hixie> if you have any idea of a better suggestion for a note than what is in that bug, please write it in teh bug
  115. # [09:33] <Hixie> i really must go now :-)
  116. # [09:33] <Zeros> perfect, you rock :)
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  120. # [09:43] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 11338] Elliott Sprehn suggests a note here saying something like "In the HTML serialization, namespace prefixes and namespace declarations are non-conforming and are do not have the same effect as in XML. In particular, the colon has no special meaning in HTML" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Nov/0640.html> ** [Bug 11338] New: Zeros says we should add a note here saying something like
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  122. # [10:13] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11156] <input type=hidden> should not set frameset-ok to 'not ok' <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Nov/0641.html>
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  130. # [11:37] * Topic is 'HTML WG face-to-face meetings: agenda, http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/TPAC_2010_Agenda & minutes: http://www.w3.org/2010/11/04-html-wg-minutes.html'
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  137. # [13:44] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11339] New: hola queria decir que chupas poyas a raudales <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Nov/0642.html>
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  151. # [16:45] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11340] New: me gustan los manogo <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Nov/0644.html> ** [Bug 10837] playbackrate: undefined behavior when the user agent can't play back at the requested rate <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Nov/0643.html>
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  156. # [17:25] <MikeSmith> issue-134?
  157. # [17:25] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-134
  158. # [17:25] <trackbot> ISSUE-134 -- Provide tablist and tab states for menu and command elements respectively -- raised
  159. # [17:25] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/134
  160. # [17:25] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-134: Provide tablist and tab states for menu and command elements respectively - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
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  163. # [17:45] <pimpbot> planet: nav beyond lists in HTML5? <http://doctype.com/nav-beyond-lists-html5>
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  170. # [17:58] <paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2010OctDec/0014.html
  171. # [17:58] <pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG Telecon 2010-11-18: status of actions, calls, issues, meeting schedule, timeline to LC status from Paul Cotton on 2010-11-17 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from October to December 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
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  174. # [18:01] <Evan> Hi Sam
  175. # [18:01] <paulc> Good morning Sam.
  176. # [18:01] * rubys waves... dialing in
  177. # [18:01] <paulc> ok
  178. # [18:02] <rubys> trackbot, start meeting
  179. # [18:02] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference
  180. # [18:02] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  181. # [18:02] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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  183. # [18:02] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
  184. # [18:02] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  185. # [18:02] <trackbot> Date: 18 November 2010
  186. # [18:02] <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
  187. # [18:02] <rubys> zakim, who is on the line
  188. # [18:02] <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the line', rubys
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  191. # [18:02] <paulc> zakim, who is here?
  192. # [18:02] <Zakim> On the phone I see Bjorn_Bringert, [Microsoft], Radhika_Roy, Sam
  193. # [18:02] <Zakim> On IRC I see kliehm, eliot, Zakim, rubys, Evan, Mark, paulc, mjs, aroben, karl, MikeSmith, Norm, homata, anne, plh, davidb, krijnh, Julian, Martijnc, gavin__, drry, arronei,
  194. # [18:02] <Zakim> ... kennyluck, heycam, webr3, Yudai, webben, inimino, CIA-1, jgraham, Jedi, gavin, pimpbot, sideshow, gsnedders, ed, Hixie, Dashiva, jwm, jmb, Shunsuke, Philip, trackbot, RRSAgent
  195. # [18:02] <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
  196. # [18:02] <Zakim> +paulc; got it
  197. # [18:03] <Zakim> +??P31
  198. # [18:03] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  199. # [18:03] <eliot> zakim, [Microsoft.a] is me
  200. # [18:03] <Zakim> +eliot; got it
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  205. # [18:04] <janina> zakim, call janina
  206. # [18:04] <Zakim> ok, janina; the call is being made
  207. # [18:04] <Zakim> +Janina
  208. # [18:04] <Zakim> + +1.415.595.aaaa
  209. # [18:04] <mjs> ScribeNick: mjs
  210. # [18:05] <paulc> Waiting 30 secs to start
  211. # [18:05] <paulc> zakim, who is here?
  212. # [18:05] <Zakim> On the phone I see Bjorn_Bringert, [Microsoft], Radhika_Roy, Sam, ??P31, eliot, Michael_Cooper, +1.415.595.aaaa, Janina
  213. # [18:05] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc
  214. # [18:05] <Zakim> On IRC I see janina, eliot, Zakim, rubys, Evan, Mark, paulc, mjs, aroben, karl, Norm, homata, anne, plh, davidb, krijnh, Julian, Martijnc, gavin__, drry, arronei, kennyluck,
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  216. # [18:05] <Evan> Zakim, I may be ??P31. I'm using Google Talk
  217. # [18:05] <Zakim> I don't understand 'I may be ??P31. I'm using Google Talk', Evan
  218. # [18:06] <mjs> Topic: action items due
  219. # [18:06] <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
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  221. # [18:06] <mjs> 1 - ACTION 196
  222. # [18:06] <mjs> ACTION-196?
  223. # [18:06] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-196
  224. # [18:06] <trackbot> ACTION-196 -- Julian Reschke to ask the IANA designated experts if this would be an acceptable model -- due 2010-11-12 -- OPEN
  225. # [18:06] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/196
  226. # [18:06] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-196: Ask the IANA designated experts if this would be an acceptable model - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  227. # [18:06] <paulc> Julian: What is the status here?
  228. # [18:07] <paulc> Action-196 due in two weeks
  229. # [18:07] * trackbot attempting to change due date on ACTION-196.
  230. # [18:07] <trackbot> ACTION-196 Ask the IANA designated experts if this would be an acceptable model due date now in two weeks
  231. # [18:07] <mjs> 2 - ACTION-198
  232. # [18:07] <mjs> has been transferred to accessibility TF, now closed
  233. # [18:07] <Zakim> + +1.206.922.aabb
  234. # [18:08] <mjs> paulc: ACTION-29, on PLH
  235. # [18:08] <paulc> plh: are you on the phone?
  236. # [18:08] <adrianba> zakim, aabb is me
  237. # [18:08] <Zakim> +adrianba; got it
  238. # [18:08] <paulc> ACTION-29 is due Jan 15
  239. # [18:08] <paulc> Action-29 due jan 15
  240. # [18:08] * trackbot attempting to change due date on ACTION-29.
  241. # [18:08] <trackbot> ACTION-29 Follow up on the idea of a free-software-compatible license for a note on HTML authoring due date now jan 15
  242. # [18:09] <mjs> paulc: likely no progress to report
  243. # [18:09] <mjs> Topic: new issues this week
  244. # [18:09] <mjs> paulc: the first is ISSUE-142, no alternative text description for video keyframe
  245. # [18:09] <mjs> ISSUE-142?
  246. # [18:09] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-142
  247. # [18:09] <trackbot> ISSUE-142 -- No alternative text description for video key frame (poster) -- raised
  248. # [18:09] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/142
  249. # [18:09] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-142: No alternative text description for video key frame (poster) - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  250. # [18:09] <mjs> paulc: ISSUE-143, remove the newly added <s> element
  251. # [18:09] <mjs> ISSUE-143?
  252. # [18:09] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-143
  253. # [18:09] <trackbot> ISSUE-143 -- Remove the newly added "s" element -- raised
  254. # [18:09] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/143
  255. # [18:09] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-143: Remove the newly added "s" element - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  256. # [18:10] <mjs> paulc: ISSUE-144, which was very recently escalated, <u> should be conforming in the HTML5 spec
  257. # [18:10] <mjs> ISSUE-144?
  258. # [18:10] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-144
  259. # [18:10] <trackbot> ISSUE-144 -- <u> should be conforming -- raised
  260. # [18:10] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/144
  261. # [18:10] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-144: should be conforming - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  262. # [18:10] <mjs> paulc: in addition there are three tracker requests pending
  263. # [18:10] <paulc> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=HTML+WG&keywords=TrackerRequest
  264. # [18:10] <pimpbot> Title: Bug List (at www.w3.org)
  265. # [18:11] <mjs> Topic: items closed last week
  266. # [18:11] <mjs> paulc: received change proposal for ISSUE-125: charset-vs-quotes
  267. # [18:11] <mjs> ISSUE-125?
  268. # [18:11] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-125
  269. # [18:11] <trackbot> ISSUE-125 -- Requirement to break RFC 2616 compliance with respect to single quotes not needed for legacy content -- open
  270. # [18:11] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/125
  271. # [18:11] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-125: Requirement to break RFC 2616 compliance with respect to single quotes not needed for legacy content - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  272. # [18:11] <mjs> paulc: also received Change Proposal for ISSUE-126: charset-vs-backslashes
  273. # [18:11] <mjs> ISSUE-126?
  274. # [18:11] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-126
  275. # [18:11] <trackbot> ISSUE-126 -- Requirement to break RFC 2616 compliance with respect to backslashes not needed for legacy content -- open
  276. # [18:11] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/126
  277. # [18:11] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-126: Requirement to break RFC 2616 compliance with respect to backslashes not needed for legacy content - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  278. # [18:12] <mjs> Topic: items closing this week
  279. # [18:12] <mjs> paulc: ISSUE-128, figure-in-p, closes Nov 15
  280. # [18:12] <paulc> s/Nov 15/Nov 17/
  281. # [18:13] <paulc> issue-128?
  282. # [18:13] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-128
  283. # [18:13] <trackbot> ISSUE-128 -- Authors should be able to use <figure> where <img> can be used -- open
  284. # [18:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/128
  285. # [18:13] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-128: Authors should be able to use where can be used - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  286. # [18:13] <mjs> paulc: ISSUE-27, rel-ownership - Call for Advocates, due Nov 19
  287. # [18:13] <mjs> ISSUE-27?
  288. # [18:13] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-27
  289. # [18:13] <trackbot> ISSUE-27 -- @rel value ownership, registry consideration -- open
  290. # [18:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/27
  291. # [18:13] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-27: @rel value ownership, registry consideration - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  292. # [18:13] <mjs> Topic: items closing next 2 weeks
  293. # [18:14] <mjs> paulc: ISSUE-118: broken-link-types, due Nov 21
  294. # [18:15] <mjs> cynthia: is this due Friday or Monday?
  295. # [18:15] <mjs> paulc: first thing Monday is ok
  296. # [18:15] <mjs> ISSUE-118?
  297. # [18:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-118
  298. # [18:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-118 -- Specification breaks semantics of existing link relations "index" and "first" -- open
  299. # [18:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/118
  300. # [18:15] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-118: Specification breaks semantics of existing link relations "index" and "first" - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  301. # [18:15] <mjs> paulc: ISSUE-127 link-type-flags - due Nov 21
  302. # [18:15] <mjs> ISSUE-127?
  303. # [18:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-127
  304. # [18:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-127 -- Simplify characterization of link types -- raised
  305. # [18:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/127
  306. # [18:15] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-127: Simplify characterization of link types - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  307. # [18:15] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11340] me gustan los manogo <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Nov/0646.html> ** [Bug 11339] hola queria decir que chupas poyas a raudales <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Nov/0645.html>
  308. # [18:15] <mjs> paulc: ISSUE-129 aria-mapping - due Nov 21
  309. # [18:15] <mjs> ISSUE-129?
  310. # [18:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-129
  311. # [18:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-129 -- replace or modify the ARIA section of the HTML5 spec -- raised
  312. # [18:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/129
  313. # [18:15] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-129: replace or modify the ARIA section of the HTML5 spec - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  314. # [18:16] <mjs> paulc: ISSUE-122 shalott-example - also due Nov 21
  315. # [18:16] <mjs> ISSUE-122?
  316. # [18:16] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-122
  317. # [18:16] <trackbot> ISSUE-122 -- alt text and description for Lady of Shalott example -- open
  318. # [18:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/122
  319. # [18:16] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-122: alt text and description for Lady of Shalott example - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  320. # [18:16] <mjs> Topic: new calls this week
  321. # [18:16] <mjs> ISSUE-119 rel-repetition - call for counter-proposals
  322. # [18:17] <mjs> Topic: new surveys this week
  323. # [18:17] <mjs> paulc: none
  324. # [18:17] <mjs> Topic: meeting schedule
  325. # [18:17] <mjs> paulc: no call on Thursday, Nov 25 - US Thanksgiving holiday
  326. # [18:17] <mjs> paulc: next meeting will be Thursday Dec 2
  327. # [18:17] <mjs> Topic: timeline to Last Call
  328. # [18:18] <paulc> Timeline: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Sep/0074.html
  329. # [18:18] <pimpbot> Title: Timeline to Last Call from Maciej Stachowiak on 2010-09-08 (public-html@w3.org from September 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  330. # [18:18] <mjs> paulc: timeline was sent in September
  331. # [18:18] <mjs> paulc: second significant deadline is Dec 8, when all bugs are supposed to be addressed by the editor
  332. # [18:18] <paulc> Bug status: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Sep/0074.html
  333. # [18:18] <pimpbot> Title: Timeline to Last Call from Maciej Stachowiak on 2010-09-08 (public-html@w3.org from September 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  334. # [18:18] <mjs> paulc: as of yesterday morning, there were only about 20 bugs across all the LC components
  335. # [18:19] <paulc> Bug status: http://tinyurl.com/2bu9vvr
  336. # [18:19] <pimpbot> Title: Bug List (at tinyurl.com)
  337. # [18:19] <mjs> paulc: Hixie has 3 or 4
  338. # [18:19] <mjs> paulc: Mike Smith has 1
  339. # [18:19] <mjs> paulc: I have one related to longdesc
  340. # [18:19] <mjs> paulc: eliott has a couple
  341. # [18:19] <mjs> paulc: Steve F has quite a few
  342. # [18:20] <mjs> paulc: chairs are continuing to monitor the status in the hopes we will get to 0 bugs by Dec 8
  343. # [18:20] <mjs> Topic: other business
  344. # [18:20] <mjs> paulc: any other business?
  345. # [18:20] <mjs> (none heard)
  346. # [18:20] * rubys will chair on December 2
  347. # [18:20] <mjs> topic: scribe for next meeting
  348. # [18:20] <mjs> paulc: Sam will be chairing
  349. # [18:20] * adrianba can scribe
  350. # [18:20] <mjs> paulc: any volunteers to scribe?
  351. # [18:20] <mjs> adrianba volunteers
  352. # [18:21] <mjs> topic: adjournment
  353. # [18:21] <mjs> paulc: adjourned
  354. # [18:21] <Zakim> -Radhika_Roy
  355. # [18:21] <paulc> adjourned at :18 after the hour.
  356. # [18:21] <mjs> RRSAgent: generate minutes
  357. # [18:21] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/11/18-html-wg-minutes.html mjs
  358. # [18:21] <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
  359. # [18:21] <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
  360. # [18:21] <Zakim> -Janina
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  362. # [18:21] <Zakim> -eliot
  363. # [18:21] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  364. # [18:21] <Zakim> -adrianba
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  369. # [18:22] <Zakim> -Bjorn_Bringert
  370. # [18:22] <Zakim> -??P31
  371. # [18:22] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  372. # [18:22] <Zakim> Attendees were Bjorn_Bringert, Radhika_Roy, Sam, paulc, [Microsoft], eliot, Michael_Cooper, Janina, +1.415.595.aaaa, Cynthia_Shelly, +1.206.922.aabb, adrianba
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  394. # [21:16] <pimpbot> changes: postmsg; : remove whatwg.org form dependency <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Nov/0039.html>
  395. # [21:46] <pimpbot> planet: Drumbeat: A Forcing Function <http://brettgaylor.tumblr.com/post/1611274961> ** Mozilla Labs Night “Gaming Special” – Agent 008 Ball Presentation <http://mozillalabs.com/gaming/2010/11/18/mozilla-labs-night-gaming-special-agent-008-ball-presentation/>
  396. # [21:46] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11326] A proposal to add web application access to home network A/V devices and content <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Nov/0648.html> ** [Bug 11333] The usage of the title tag is outdated. Please update with a new name for the tag. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Nov/0647.html>
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  404. # [23:16] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11337] Some ASCII-compatible encodings have harmless substitutions <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Nov/0649.html>
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