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  8. # [01:19] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Define how we create a 'specified CSS element reference identifier'. This maybe should move from HTML to CSSOM. (whatwg r5695) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Dec/0006.html>
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  13. # [01:50] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: There might not be one, e.g. if the iframe is out-of-document. (whatwg r5696) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Dec/0007.html>
  14. # [01:50] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11395] Use media queries to select appropriate <track> elements <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Dec/0087.html>
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  34. # [04:50] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 11395] Use media queries to select appropriate <track> elements" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Dec/0088.html>
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  36. # [05:06] <pimpbot> planet: Standardizing HTML6 through the W3C – My Trip to TPAC 2010 <http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2010/12/01/standardizing-html6-through-the-w3c-my-trip-to-tpac-2010.aspx>
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  40. # [05:51] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: case consistency (whatwg r5698) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Dec/0008.html>
  41. # [06:07] <pimpbot> planet: Firefox/Gecko Delivery Meeting Minutes: 2010-12-01 <http://blog.mozilla.com/meeting-notes/archives/445>
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  46. # [08:51] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: make sure the definitions of 'nested browsing context' make sense when you consider that iframes can be removed from a document (whatwg r5699) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2010Dec/0009.html>
  47. # [08:51] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10812] i18n comment 7 : line breaks in textarea and pre elements <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Dec/0090.html> ** [Bug 11452] New: 4.10.22.5.5. should describe how to send the filename when the field is a file field. It should send the filename as "filename" parameter and its character encoding must be _charset_. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Dec/0089.html>
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  49. # [09:21] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11450] Reconsider <img src=""> with a base URL <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Dec/0092.html> ** [Bug 11452] 4.10.22.5.5. should describe how to send the filename when the field is a file field. It should send the filename as "filename" parameter and its character encoding must be _charset_. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Dec/0091.html>
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  62. # [11:52] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11450] Reconsider <img src=""> with a base URL <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Dec/0094.html>
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  65. # [12:52] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 11452] 4.10.22.5.5. should describe how to send the filename when the field is a file field. It should send the filename as "filename" parameter and its character encoding must be _charset_." (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Dec/0096.html>
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  70. # [14:22] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11323] Don't run scripts when the owner doc isn't the inserter parser's doc or when the owner doc is not the same at "run" and "execute" time <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Dec/0097.html>
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  80. # [15:53] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10964] Canvas needs to support a backing store in the DOM subtree capable of supporting screen reading <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Dec/0099.html>
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  88. # [16:30] <CIA-1> v.nu-build: hsivonen * r100 /trunk/ (README build.py): Change the build script to use hg instead of svn and the README to instruct the use of hg instead of svn.
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  107. # [18:04] <rubys> trackbot, start meeting
  108. # [18:04] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference
  109. # [18:04] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  110. # [18:04] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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  112. # [18:04] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
  113. # [18:04] <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
  114. # [18:04] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  115. # [18:04] <trackbot> Date: 02 December 2010
  116. # [18:05] <Zakim> +Laura_Carlson
  117. # [18:05] <Zakim> -Julian
  118. # [18:05] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  119. # [18:05] <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft] has adrianba, krisk
  120. # [18:05] <Zakim> +adrianba, krisk; got it
  121. # [18:05] <Zakim> +Sam
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  123. # [18:05] <adrianba> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2010OctDec/0017.html
  124. # [18:05] <pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG Telecon 2010-12-02: status, task force reports, deadlines and publications, meeting schedule from Sam Ruby on 2010-12-01 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from October to December 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  125. # [18:05] <adrianba> Chair: Sam Ruby
  126. # [18:05] <adrianba> ScribeNick: adrianba
  127. # [18:05] <adrianba> Scribe: Adrian Bateman
  128. # [18:05] <Zakim> +Julian
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  130. # [18:07] <Zakim> +Michael_Cooper
  131. # [18:07] <Zakim> +eliot
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  133. # [18:07] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  134. # [18:07] <adrianba> TOPIC: ACTION items due by Thursday, December 2
  135. # [18:07] <adrianba> ACTION-193?
  136. # [18:07] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-193
  137. # [18:07] <trackbot> ACTION-193 -- Paul Cotton to and co-chairs to investigate how to handle standardization of websrt -- due 2010-12-02 -- OPEN
  138. # [18:07] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/193
  139. # [18:07] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-193: And co-chairs to investigate how to handle standardization of websrt - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  140. # [18:08] <Julian> sam, I can barely hear you
  141. # [18:08] <adrianba> rubys: still investigating and discussing with W3C staff
  142. # [18:08] <paulc> I cannot hear Sam.
  143. # [18:08] <anne> Zakim, passcode?
  144. # [18:08] <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), anne
  145. # [18:09] <adrianba> ACTION-193 due next week
  146. # [18:09] * trackbot attempting to change due date on ACTION-193.
  147. # [18:09] <trackbot> ACTION-193 And co-chairs to investigate how to handle standardization of websrt due date now next week
  148. # [18:09] <Zakim> +??P29
  149. # [18:09] <anne> Zakim, ??P29 is me
  150. # [18:09] <Zakim> +anne; got it
  151. # [18:09] <Julian> q+
  152. # [18:09] * Zakim sees Julian on the speaker queue
  153. # [18:09] <Zakim> + +33.9.53.58.aaaa
  154. # [18:09] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
  155. # [18:10] <dpenkler> zakim,aaaa is dpenkler
  156. # [18:10] <Zakim> +dpenkler; got it
  157. # [18:10] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  158. # [18:10] <rubys> paulc: anything you want to add on ACTION-193?
  159. # [18:10] <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
  160. # [18:10] <paulc> zakim, [microsoft.a] has paulc
  161. # [18:10] <Zakim> +paulc; got it
  162. # [18:11] <adrianba> paulc: continuing to investigate and started dialogue with Ian Hickson about bringing WebSRT to W3C
  163. # [18:11] <adrianba> ...still continuing that discussion
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  165. # [18:11] <adrianba> ACTION-193 due dec 16
  166. # [18:11] * trackbot attempting to change due date on ACTION-193.
  167. # [18:11] <trackbot> ACTION-193 And co-chairs to investigate how to handle standardization of websrt due date now dec 16
  168. # [18:12] <adrianba> ACTION-196?
  169. # [18:12] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-196
  170. # [18:12] <trackbot> ACTION-196 -- Julian Reschke to ask the IANA designated experts if this would be an acceptable model -- due 2010-11-12 -- OPEN
  171. # [18:12] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/196
  172. # [18:12] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-196: Ask the IANA designated experts if this would be an acceptable model - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  173. # [18:12] <Julian> my follow up on ACTION-196: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Nov/0307.html
  174. # [18:12] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-196 (IANA rel regs that are currently deferred) from Julian Reschke on 2010-11-19 (public-html@w3.org from November 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  175. # [18:12] <adrianba> rubys: I know there was some discussion on the mailing list
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  177. # [18:12] <paulc> My new phone connection is much better. No longer having audio problems.
  178. # [18:12] <adrianba> julian: i followed up on that - i think the action can be closed
  179. # [18:12] <Julian> q-
  180. # [18:12] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  181. # [18:12] <adrianba> rubys: maciej asked some follow-up questions - they may not be related to the action
  182. # [18:13] <janina> zakim, call janina
  183. # [18:13] <Zakim> ok, janina; the call is being made
  184. # [18:13] <Zakim> +Janina
  185. # [18:13] <adrianba> ...any objections to closing the action?
  186. # [18:13] <adrianba> close ACTION-196
  187. # [18:13] * trackbot attempting to close ACTION-196.
  188. # [18:13] <trackbot> ACTION-196 Ask the IANA designated experts if this would be an acceptable model closed
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  190. # [18:13] <adrianba> TOPIC: New Issues This Week
  191. # [18:13] <adrianba> rubys: 4 new issues
  192. # [18:13] <adrianba> ISSUE-145?
  193. # [18:13] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-145
  194. # [18:13] <trackbot> ISSUE-145 -- use of "codecs" parameter -- raised
  195. # [18:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/145
  196. # [18:13] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-145: use of "codecs" parameter - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  197. # [18:13] * anne finds it very hard to hear still
  198. # [18:13] <adrianba> ISSUE-146?
  199. # [18:13] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-146
  200. # [18:13] <trackbot> ISSUE-146 -- <video> should allow muted as a content attribute -- raised
  201. # [18:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/146
  202. # [18:13] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-146: should allow muted as a content attribute - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  203. # [18:13] * anne has output audio maxed
  204. # [18:14] <adrianba> ISSUE-147?
  205. # [18:14] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-147
  206. # [18:14] <trackbot> ISSUE-147 -- playbackrate: undefined behavior when the user agent can't play back at the requested rate -- raised
  207. # [18:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/147
  208. # [18:14] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-147: playbackrate: undefined behavior when the user agent cant play back at the requested rate - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  209. # [18:14] <adrianba> ISSUE-148?
  210. # [18:14] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-148
  211. # [18:14] <trackbot> ISSUE-148 -- Algorithm for detecting the charset="" parameter -- raised
  212. # [18:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/148
  213. # [18:14] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-148: Algorithm for detecting the charset="" parameter - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  214. # [18:14] <adrianba> rubys: any questions or comments?
  215. # [18:14] <adrianba> TOPIC: Items Closed Last TWO Weeks
  216. # [18:14] <adrianba> ISSUE-128?
  217. # [18:14] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-128
  218. # [18:14] <trackbot> ISSUE-128 -- Authors should be able to use <figure> where <img> can be used -- open
  219. # [18:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/128
  220. # [18:14] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-128: Authors should be able to use where can be used - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  221. # [18:15] <adrianba> rubys: no further proposals - proceeding to survey
  222. # [18:15] <adrianba> ISSUE-27?
  223. # [18:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-27
  224. # [18:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-27 -- @rel value ownership, registry consideration -- open
  225. # [18:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/27
  226. # [18:15] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-27: @rel value ownership, registry consideration - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  227. # [18:15] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2010OctDec/0017.html
  228. # [18:15] <pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG Telecon 2010-12-02: status, task force reports, deadlines and publications, meeting schedule from Sam Ruby on 2010-12-01 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from October to December 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  229. # [18:15] <adrianba> rubys: we did not get any advocates for the wiki is fine proposal so that will be dropped
  230. # [18:15] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2010OctDec/0017.html
  231. # [18:15] <pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG Telecon 2010-12-02: status, task force reports, deadlines and publications, meeting schedule from Sam Ruby on 2010-12-01 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from October to December 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  232. # [18:15] <adrianba> ...currently another proposal being developed by Edward O'Connor
  233. # [18:15] <adrianba> ...any discussion?
  234. # [18:16] <adrianba> ISSUE-118?
  235. # [18:16] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-118
  236. # [18:16] <trackbot> ISSUE-118 -- Specification breaks semantics of existing link relations "index" and "first" -- open
  237. # [18:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/118
  238. # [18:16] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-118: Specification breaks semantics of existing link relations "index" and "first" - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  239. # [18:16] <adrianba> rubys: alternate proposals were due nov 21 - currently have 3 proposals
  240. # [18:16] <adrianba> ISSUE-127?
  241. # [18:17] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-127
  242. # [18:17] <trackbot> ISSUE-127 -- Simplify characterization of link types -- open
  243. # [18:17] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/127
  244. # [18:17] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-127: Simplify characterization of link types - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  245. # [18:17] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2010OctDec/0017.html
  246. # [18:17] <adrianba> rubys: we did get a change proposal for this
  247. # [18:17] <pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG Telecon 2010-12-02: status, task force reports, deadlines and publications, meeting schedule from Sam Ruby on 2010-12-01 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from October to December 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  248. # [18:17] <adrianba> ...at some point it will go on to a survey
  249. # [18:17] <adrianba> ISSUE-129?
  250. # [18:17] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-129
  251. # [18:17] <trackbot> ISSUE-129 -- replace or modify the ARIA section of the HTML5 spec -- open
  252. # [18:17] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/129
  253. # [18:17] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-129: replace or modify the ARIA section of the HTML5 spec - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  254. # [18:17] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2010OctDec/0017.html
  255. # [18:17] <pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG Telecon 2010-12-02: status, task force reports, deadlines and publications, meeting schedule from Sam Ruby on 2010-12-01 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from October to December 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  256. # [18:17] <adrianba> rubys: got a change proposal so this will go on the queue
  257. # [18:17] <adrianba> ISSUE-122?
  258. # [18:17] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-122
  259. # [18:17] <trackbot> ISSUE-122 -- alt text and description for Lady of Shalott example -- open
  260. # [18:17] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/122
  261. # [18:17] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-122: alt text and description for Lady of Shalott example - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  262. # [18:17] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2010OctDec/0017.html
  263. # [18:17] <pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG Telecon 2010-12-02: status, task force reports, deadlines and publications, meeting schedule from Sam Ruby on 2010-12-01 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from October to December 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  264. # [18:17] <adrianba> rubys: we did get a change proposal, we have not received an alternate proposal
  265. # [18:18] <adrianba> janina: we have a proposal in the task force, think we will forward in another 48 hours
  266. # [18:18] <adrianba> rubys: okay
  267. # [18:19] <adrianba> TOPIC: Items Closing This Week
  268. # [18:19] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2010OctDec/0017.html
  269. # [18:19] <pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG Telecon 2010-12-02: status, task force reports, deadlines and publications, meeting schedule from Sam Ruby on 2010-12-01 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from October to December 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  270. # [18:19] <adrianba> rubys: None
  271. # [18:19] <adrianba> TOPIC: Items Closing Next Week
  272. # [18:19] <adrianba> ISSUE-124?
  273. # [18:19] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-124
  274. # [18:19] <trackbot> ISSUE-124 -- nofollow/noreferrer not allowed on <link> -- open
  275. # [18:19] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/124
  276. # [18:19] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-124: nofollow/noreferrer not allowed on - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  277. # [18:19] <adrianba> rubys: we have a proposal and an alternate, if anyone want so to suggest something else please do
  278. # [18:20] <adrianba> ISSUE-130?
  279. # [18:20] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-130
  280. # [18:20] <trackbot> ISSUE-130 -- allow tables to be used for layout purposes -- raised
  281. # [18:20] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/130
  282. # [18:20] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-130: allow tables to be used for layout purposes - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  283. # [18:20] <adrianba> rubys: proposals due dec 10, none received yet
  284. # [18:20] <adrianba> ISSUE-132?
  285. # [18:20] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-132
  286. # [18:20] <trackbot> ISSUE-132 -- Drop the color input type -- raised
  287. # [18:20] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/132
  288. # [18:20] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-132: Drop the color input type - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  289. # [18:20] <adrianba> rubys: same status, dec 10 and no proposals yet
  290. # [18:20] <adrianba> ISSUE-133?
  291. # [18:20] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-133
  292. # [18:20] <trackbot> ISSUE-133 -- Add a modal attribute to html5 to indicate a modal segment of the DOM (modal dialog) -- raised
  293. # [18:20] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/133
  294. # [18:20] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-133: Add a modal attribute to html5 to indicate a modal segment of the DOM (modal dialog) - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  295. # [18:21] <adrianba> rubys: same again
  296. # [18:21] <adrianba> ISSUE-137?
  297. # [18:21] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-137
  298. # [18:21] <trackbot> ISSUE-137 -- Since Javascript does not support mode specifiers inside the regular expression, there is no simple way of matching a single word case-insensitively besides turning into [Ww][Oo][Rr][Dd] -- raised
  299. # [18:21] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/137
  300. # [18:21] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-137: Since Javascript does not support mode specifiers inside the regular expression, there is no simple way of matching a single word case-insensitively besides turning into [Ww][Oo][Rr][Dd] - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  301. # [18:21] <adrianba> rubys: no proposals received, same due date, some discussion on the list - we'll see if a proposal comes out of that
  302. # [18:21] <adrianba> TOPIC: New Calls this week
  303. # [18:22] <adrianba> rubys: 6 calls, 3 for counter proposals and 3 for change proposals all due jan 12
  304. # [18:22] <adrianba> ISSUE-119?
  305. # [18:22] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-119
  306. # [18:22] <trackbot> ISSUE-119 -- Certain relationships take on a special meaning when repeated; other solutions may be cleaner -- open
  307. # [18:22] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/119
  308. # [18:22] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-119: Certain relationships take on a special meaning when repeated; other solutions may be cleaner - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  309. # [18:22] <adrianba> ISSUE-125?
  310. # [18:22] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-125
  311. # [18:22] <trackbot> ISSUE-125 -- Requirement to break RFC 2616 compliance with respect to single quotes not needed for legacy content -- open
  312. # [18:22] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/125
  313. # [18:22] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-125: Requirement to break RFC 2616 compliance with respect to single quotes not needed for legacy content - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  314. # [18:22] <adrianba> ISSUE-126?
  315. # [18:22] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-126
  316. # [18:22] <trackbot> ISSUE-126 -- Requirement to break RFC 2616 compliance with respect to backslashes not needed for legacy content -- open
  317. # [18:22] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/126
  318. # [18:22] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-126: Requirement to break RFC 2616 compliance with respect to backslashes not needed for legacy content - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  319. # [18:22] <adrianba> ISSUE-134?
  320. # [18:22] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-134
  321. # [18:22] <trackbot> ISSUE-134 -- Provide tablist and tab states for menu and command elements respectively -- raised
  322. # [18:22] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/134
  323. # [18:22] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-134: Provide tablist and tab states for menu and command elements respectively - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  324. # [18:22] <adrianba> ISSUE-136?
  325. # [18:22] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-136
  326. # [18:22] <trackbot> ISSUE-136 -- would the <small> element be better handled in CSS? -- raised
  327. # [18:22] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/136
  328. # [18:22] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-136: would the element be better handled in CSS? - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  329. # [18:22] <adrianba> ISSUE-138?
  330. # [18:22] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-138
  331. # [18:22] <trackbot> ISSUE-138 -- "mutate action" for issueing a GET request is misleading -- raised
  332. # [18:22] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/138
  333. # [18:22] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-138: "mutate action" for issueing a GET request is misleading - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  334. # [18:23] <oedipus> regrets+ Gregory_Rosmaita
  335. # [18:23] <adrianba> rubys: questions or comments?
  336. # [18:23] <adrianba> TOPIC: New Surveys this week
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  338. # [18:23] <adrianba> ISSUE-128?
  339. # [18:23] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-128
  340. # [18:23] <trackbot> ISSUE-128 -- Authors should be able to use <figure> where <img> can be used -- open
  341. # [18:23] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/128
  342. # [18:23] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-128: Authors should be able to use where can be used - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  343. # [18:23] <adrianba> rubys: survey closes dec 8, two responses so far
  344. # [18:24] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11455] New: Additionally, the users should be asked, if they would like to increase the cache amount for a special site. This could either be done be providing a popup when downloading into the cache or could be done through a whitelist in the browser settings. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Dec/0100.html>
  345. # [18:24] <adrianba> TOPIC: Task Force Reports - Testing Task Force
  346. # [18:24] <krisk> Very, Very Busy month - list had 138 posts (past max was 55, normally around 30 posts)
  347. # [18:24] <adrianba> krisk: been a very busy month - 138 posts in november which is a ton of traffic, lots of participation
  348. # [18:25] <adrianba> ...met on nov 16 and nov 30
  349. # [18:25] <krisk> here are the notes-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2010Dec/0005.html
  350. # [18:25] <pimpbot> Title: RE: HTML Testing Task Force Conf Call Agenda 11/30/2010 (notes) from Kris Krueger on 2010-12-02 (public-html-testsuite@w3.org from December 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  351. # [18:25] <krisk> and http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2010Nov/0118.html
  352. # [18:25] <pimpbot> Title: RE: HTML Testing Task Force Conf Call Agenda 11/16/2010 from Kris Krueger on 2010-11-30 (public-html-testsuite@w3.org from November 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  353. # [18:25] <adrianba> ...we don't have any more bugs on approved tests
  354. # [18:26] <adrianba> ...we approved some MathML foreign content tests from a new participant
  355. # [18:26] <adrianba> ...one of the action items from tpac was to make more progress on tests waiting to be reviewed
  356. # [18:26] <adrianba> ...we picked a date of jan 3 to approve all of Philip Taylor's canvas tests
  357. # [18:26] <adrianba> ...if people have feedback, please respond to the list before then
  358. # [18:27] <adrianba> ...also a nice submission from Google on audio/video tests - 150 tests - just need a few fixes
  359. # [18:27] <adrianba> ...that's about it - we meet once more this month because of the holidays
  360. # [18:27] <adrianba> rubys: comments or questions?
  361. # [18:27] <adrianba> TOPIC: Task Force Reports - Accessibility
  362. # [18:28] <adrianba> janina: also lots of accessibility activity
  363. # [18:28] <adrianba> ...starting with media
  364. # [18:28] <adrianba> ISSUE-9?
  365. # [18:28] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-9
  366. # [18:28] <trackbot> ISSUE-9 -- how accessibility works for <video> is unclear -- open
  367. # [18:28] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/9
  368. # [18:28] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-9: how accessibility works for is unclear - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  369. # [18:28] <adrianba> janina: we reviewing two formats and reviewing gaps between what TTML and WebSRT can do
  370. # [18:28] <adrianba> ...and so what gaps need to be filled
  371. # [18:28] <adrianba> ...lots of discussion about this - a call before thanksgiving and another yesterday
  372. # [18:29] <adrianba> ...within days of delivering a short summary report as a guide to where the gaps are with additional detail to follow
  373. # [18:29] <adrianba> ...by this meeting next week we'll have delivered a report to the group about the gaps
  374. # [18:29] <adrianba> ...in terms of the discussion about forming a group for timed text formats and what needs to be specified
  375. # [18:30] <adrianba> ...there is agreement that a new group might be a good way to proceed but there is some disagreement about what the scope should be
  376. # [18:30] <adrianba> ...should it be only about WebSRT or also include a profile of TTML for example
  377. # [18:30] <adrianba> ...not ready to make a recommendation for that
  378. # [18:31] <adrianba> ...also looking at synchronisation and timing to chapters and sub-chapters for alternate binary tracks
  379. # [18:31] <adrianba> ...think those are the remaining pieces to deliver for media to move this to a conclusion
  380. # [18:31] <adrianba> ...any questions on media?
  381. # [18:31] <adrianba> janina: okay, another activity came out of bug triaging group
  382. # [18:32] <adrianba> ...put together a table for fallback details from what is specified in the spec
  383. # [18:32] <adrianba> ...little more work needed but in december we will forward on to the working group
  384. # [18:32] <adrianba> ...in order to illustrate why certain kind of fallback are for a11y and which are generic
  385. # [18:32] <adrianba> ...we suspect some of this may be controversial and will need discussion in the wider group
  386. # [18:33] <adrianba> ...so we have a milestone report that will be ready in a week or two to start a conversation in the WG
  387. # [18:33] <adrianba> ...a couple of change proposals on the way
  388. # [18:33] <adrianba> ...for 133 and 31
  389. # [18:33] <Laura> Change Proposal Choices for alt ISSUE 31
  390. # [18:33] <Laura> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/ImgElementSurveyConformaceChoices
  391. # [18:33] <pimpbot> Title: ChangeProposals/ImgElementSurveyConformaceChoices - HTML WG Wiki (at www.w3.org)
  392. # [18:34] <adrianba> ...canvas subteam is meeting and they are continuing - quite a bit left to do
  393. # [18:34] <adrianba> ...think that's it for now
  394. # [18:34] <adrianba> ...one more future thing: result of lyon
  395. # [18:34] <adrianba> ...PF has the interest to review HTML specs from top to bottom - that's what we're chartered to do
  396. # [18:35] <adrianba> ...many of the a11y bugs were created from a top-to-bottom review previously with WAI
  397. # [18:35] <adrianba> ...we're looking at how to do that - we discussed at tpac
  398. # [18:35] <adrianba> ...when we find issues where a11y isn't well handled one approach is to write a wcag technique
  399. # [18:36] <adrianba> ...which we should document - we need them for html5 especially around the time that html5 goes to CR
  400. # [18:36] <adrianba> ...if we can capture them during a review then we could do that
  401. # [18:36] <adrianba> ...result would be a joint task force between PF and WCAG - expect charter in january
  402. # [18:36] <adrianba> ...won't see anything real soon but important to know it is going on - hopeful result is that we'll have techniques in wcag for html5
  403. # [18:36] <adrianba> ...that's it
  404. # [18:37] <paulc> Call is silent again.
  405. # [18:37] <adrianba> TOPIC: Deadlines and Publications
  406. # [18:37] <adrianba> rubys: dec 8 is dealine for resolving all pre-lc1
  407. # [18:37] <rubys> http://tinyurl.com/2bu9vvr
  408. # [18:37] <adrianba> ...we're down to a dozen or so
  409. # [18:37] <pimpbot> Title: Bug List (at tinyurl.com)
  410. # [18:38] <adrianba> ...once this deadline is met we plan to submit each document for publication
  411. # [18:38] * anne still has trouble hearing
  412. # [18:38] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
  413. # [18:38] <adrianba> ...we'll ask each editor to include a work in progress note like the html5 doc
  414. # [18:38] <adrianba> ...any questions or comments on that plan?
  415. # [18:38] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  416. # [18:39] <adrianba> paulc: is the bug list current?
  417. # [18:39] <adrianba> rubys: i believe so - it's directly to bugzilla
  418. # [18:39] <adrianba> paulc: i thought we had less
  419. # [18:39] <adrianba> rubys: this is across all documents
  420. # [18:41] <adrianba> TOPIC: Meeting Schedule
  421. # [18:42] <adrianba> rubys: due to holidays, cancelling the telcons on dec 23 and dec 30
  422. # [18:42] <adrianba> ...any objections?
  423. # [18:42] <adrianba> TOPIC: Other business
  424. # [18:42] <adrianba> rubys: anything?
  425. # [18:42] <adrianba> ...none heard
  426. # [18:42] <adrianba> TOPIC: Scribe for next meeting
  427. # [18:42] <adrianba> rubys: any volunteers?
  428. # [18:43] <adrianba> paulc: maciej should be chairing
  429. # [18:43] <adrianba> ...sam or paul will scribe
  430. # [18:43] <adrianba> TOPIC: Adjournment
  431. # [18:43] <adrianba> rubys: any objections?
  432. # [18:43] <Zakim> -Julian
  433. # [18:43] <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
  434. # [18:43] <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
  435. # [18:43] <Zakim> -Radhika_Roy
  436. # [18:43] <Zakim> -dpenkler
  437. # [18:43] <adrianba> ...now adjourned, thanks everybody
  438. # [18:43] <Zakim> -eliot
  439. # [18:43] <Zakim> -Janina
  440. # [18:43] <Zakim> -Sam
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  444. # [18:44] <Zakim> -anne
  445. # [18:44] <Zakim> -Laura_Carlson
  446. # [18:44] <adrianba> rrsagent, make minutes
  447. # [18:44] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/02-html-wg-minutes.html adrianba
  448. # [18:44] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
  449. # [18:44] <adrianba> rrsagent, make logs public
  450. # [18:44] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, adrianba
  451. # [18:44] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  452. # [18:44] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  453. # [18:44] <Zakim> Attendees were Radhika_Roy, Julian, Laura_Carlson, adrianba, krisk, Sam, Michael_Cooper, eliot, [Microsoft], anne, +33.9.53.58.aaaa, dpenkler, Cynthia_Shelly, paulc, Janina
  454. # [18:44] <adrianba> rrsagent, make minutes
  455. # [18:44] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/02-html-wg-minutes.html adrianba
  456. # [18:44] <pimpbot> Title: HTML Weekly Teleconference -- 02 Dec 2010 (at www.w3.org)
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  476. # [19:54] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11450] Reconsider <img src=""> with a base URL <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Dec/0104.html> ** [Bug 11452] 4.10.22.5.5. should describe how to send the filename when the field is a file field. It should send the filename as "filename" parameter and its character encoding must be _charset_. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Dec/0103.html>
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  478. # [20:24] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 11449] The current specification and implementation of <input type="date"> using yyyy-mm-dd format will be unacceptable to many of our corporate customers. Also, only allowing times in <input type="date"> to be in 24 hour clock will cause serious delays in our b" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Dec/0106.html>
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  484. # [20:54] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11402] One problem of todays JavaScript libraries is, that the client has to download the same library over and over again, while visiting multiple sites. One could use services like Google Libraries API for a central location, but that introduces new points of <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Dec/0108.html> ** "[Bug 11449] The current specification and implementation of <input type="date"> using yyyy-mm-dd f
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  488. # [21:24] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11456] New: In Swedish many words should be written together, like "Skumtomte" (Candy foam Santa) and not as "Skum tomte" (Weird/Strange Santa). I would like to be able to write "skum<wbr hypen>tomte" to denote that the word can be broken up to be equal as "skum-<br/ <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Dec/0110.html> ** [Bug 11212] Make all the radio button group suffering from being missing (instead of only rad
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  497. # [22:55] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11458] mechanism needed to control refresh url for ajax applications <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Dec/0114.html> ** [Bug 11458] New: mechanism needed to control refresh url for ajax applications <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Dec/0113.html> ** [Bug 11457] New: textarea/text need ability to remove focus <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010
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