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  5. # [00:03] <CIA-1> html-spec: [giow] (1) Make sure <a href=''> doesn't define a explicit self-navigation override.
  6. # [00:03] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11430
  7. # [00:04] <pimpbot> 11430: contributor, P3, RESOLVED FIXED, A link with an empty target="" or a link with no target at all is not an "explicit self-navigation override".
  8. # [00:04] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * a5cf512807a1 r5757 / (index complete.html source):
  9. # [00:04] <CIA-1> html-spec: [giow] (2) Don't unload a document when navigating within it in session history.
  10. # [00:04] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11433
  11. # [00:04] <pimpbot> 11433: contributor, P3, RESOLVED FIXED, traversing the history when the next session entry is for the same document shouldn't try to unload the document
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  13. # [00:14] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11386] Defer <video> rendering (letterboxing) to CSS <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0253.html> ** [Bug 11433] traversing the history when the next session entry is for the same document shouldn't try to unload the document <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0252.html> ** [Bug 11435] open window as a new sessoin <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bu
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  15. # [00:33] <CIA-1> html-spec: [giow] (0) Actually make the 'list of the descendant browsing contexts' contain anything. Oops.
  16. # [00:33] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11442
  17. # [00:33] <pimpbot> 11442: contributor, P3, RESOLVED FIXED, The "list of the descendant browsing contexts" algorithm needs to include something for appending the child browsing context to the list - otherwise the recursion always generates empty lists.
  18. # [00:44] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11240] Canvas support accessible selection position tracking independent of Focus Ring tracking <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0259.html> ** [Bug 11239] Canvas support accessible caret tracking independent of Focus Ring tracking <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0257.html> ** [Bug 11727] New: user agent stylesheet display: block <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Pu
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  21. # [01:15] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11452] 4.10.22.5.5. should describe how to send the filename when the field is a file field. It should send the filename as "filename" parameter and its character encoding must be _charset_. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0272.html> ** "[Bug 11455] Additionally, the users should be asked, if they would like to increase the cache amount for a special site. This could either be done be providing a popup w
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  25. # [01:18] <CIA-1> html-spec: [e] (0) Suggest that UAs can allow users to trust sites to have more quota.
  26. # [01:18] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11455
  27. # [01:18] <pimpbot> 11455: contributor, P3, RESOLVED FIXED, Additionally, the users should be asked, if they would like to increase the cache amount for a special site. This could either be done be providing a popup when downloading into the cache or could be done through a whitelist in the browser settings.
  28. # [01:19] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * 2603ebc95ad8 r5760 / (index complete.html source):
  29. # [01:19] <CIA-1> html-spec: [e] (0) Date/time form controls: Add notes saying that the UI doesn't have to match the submission format. Some day we'll add graphics to make it more obvious, but for now I don't want to bias implementations.
  30. # [01:19] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11449
  31. # [01:19] <pimpbot> 11449: contributor, P3, REOPENED, The current specification and implementation of <input type="date"> using yyyy-mm-dd format will be unacceptable to many of our corporate customers. Also, only allowing times in <input type="date"> to be in 24 hour clock will cause serious delays in our b
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  33. # [01:45] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7798] I'm missing the height property in TextMetrics <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0285.html> ** [Bug 11472] Add height property for TextMetrics <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0283.html> ** [Bug 11709] People evaluating this spec should be allowed to download parts of it and go through them offline, in their favorite reading device. I'm currently interested in
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  36. # [02:15] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11487] Include example of using <nav> paragraph-like. I.e. with inline links as seen on annevankesteren.nl. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0302.html> ** "[Bug 11490] "Let target has no browsing context,", "Let target's browsing context has no top-level browsing context": s/Let/If/" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0301.html> ** [Bug 11488]
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  38. # [02:18] <CIA-1> html-spec: [e] (0) typos
  39. # [02:18] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11490
  40. # [02:18] <pimpbot> 11490: contributor, P3, RESOLVED FIXED, "Let target has no browsing context,", "Let target's browsing context has no top-level browsing context": s/Let/If/
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  48. # [03:15] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11466] Reword 4.4.7 The hgroup element <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0308.html> ** [Bug 11482] Requiring MIME types like application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document in order to allow a .docx file to be uploaded is far too technical for the layman. On the other hand it is equally impractical for web developers to keep an <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bug
  49. # [03:45] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11497] Don't fire an "error" event for <img src=""> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0309.html>
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  56. # [04:15] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11013] Don't honor <meta> pragmas that don't come from the network stream or document.write <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0310.html>
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  65. # [04:45] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10840] Allow the user to independently adjust the volumes of the audio description and original soundtracks. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0312.html> ** [Bug 10839] Providing visible indication that descriptions and captions are available. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0311.html>
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  69. # [05:16] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9773] There is not a clear difference between "subtitles" and "captions". These are mostly used to describe "closed captions" (binary transmissions in TV broadcasts) vs "subtitles" (text files), as far as I know. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0313.html>
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  73. # [05:56] <Sirisian> Hixie, any comment on my bug in Context2D: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=HTML%20WG&component=HTML%20Canvas%202D%20Context%20%28editor%3A%20Ian%20Hickson%29&;resolution=---
  74. # [05:56] <pimpbot> Title: Bug List (at www.w3.org)
  75. # [05:56] <Hixie> which one?
  76. # [05:56] <Sirisian> (There's only 10 bugs. Though I can imagine it takes a while to discuss changes)
  77. # [05:56] <Sirisian> Add drawImage(in ImageData image, ...) functions to context2d
  78. # [05:57] <Sirisian> It would also allow for globalAlpha to act on ImageData
  79. # [05:58] <Sirisian> (putImageData just overwrites everything)
  80. # [06:12] <Hixie> that url gives me 40 bugs
  81. # [06:12] <Hixie> you mean http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11565 ?
  82. # [06:12] <pimpbot> 11565: warcraftthreeft, P2, NEW, Add drawImage(in ImageData image, ...) functions to context2d
  83. # [06:13] <Sirisian> yeah
  84. # [06:13] <Hixie> looks like a dupe of
  85. # [06:13] <Hixie> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11517
  86. # [06:13] <pimpbot> 11517: contributor, P3, NEW, Since context.putImageData() does not handle compositing, another set of methods, maybe context.drawImageData(), should be created to allow ImageData objects to be drawn onto the canvas in the same fashion as Image objects.
  87. # [06:14] <Sirisian> yep
  88. # [06:14] <Hixie> it's not clear to me what the use case is
  89. # [06:14] <Sirisian> Wait you see 40 bugs? That link when I open says "10 bugs found."
  90. # [06:15] <Sirisian> Hixie, Well imagine you want to render an ImageData that uses the alpha transparency
  91. # [06:15] <Hixie> oh, i see, it didn't copy the "=---" part of the url
  92. # [06:15] <Hixie> why would you want to render an ImageData?
  93. # [06:15] <Hixie> ImageData is only intended for one thing:
  94. # [06:15] <Sirisian> like an image >_>
  95. # [06:15] <Hixie> changing pixels on a canvas
  96. # [06:15] <Hixie> you getImageData(), mutate the pixels, then putImageDat().
  97. # [06:16] <Sirisian> mutate the pixels costs too much when drawing another imageData
  98. # [06:16] <Hixie> i don't understand
  99. # [06:16] <Hixie> "another imageData"?
  100. # [06:16] <Hixie> describe your use case without talking about canvas
  101. # [06:17] <Hixie> what's your high-level description?
  102. # [06:17] <Sirisian> One moment.
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  107. # [06:33] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11192
  108. # [06:33] <pimpbot> 11192: contributor, P3, RESOLVED FIXED, [WebSRT] WebSRT sections spells tokenizer with an "s".
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  113. # [06:46] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 11192] [WebSRT] WebSRT sections spells tokenizer with an "s"." (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0327.html> ** "[Bug 11727] user agent stylesheet display: block" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0322.html> ** [Bug 11726] user agent stylesheet display: block <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/20
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  118. # [07:08] <Sirisian> Okay pretend you wanted to create a worms like game where an image represents the 2D terrain that can be destroyed. Now you have a sky background behind that. The large 2D image's pixels can be changed. So you need to render it after the sky. However you can't render the ImageData with composition without first writing it to a massive canvas the same size as the 2D image then getting the ImageData perform the manipulation on the large canvas then rend
  119. # [07:08] <Sirisian> er changes back to that canvas. ( http://assaultwars.com/javascript/pixels/ ) Being able to draw the ImageData would remove the need for a canvas.
  120. # [07:09] <Sirisian> Hixie, ^
  121. # [07:09] <pimpbot> Title: Pixel 800x600 Test (at assaultwars.com)
  122. # [07:09] <Sirisian> I'm sure there's another bigger reason that I've forgotten
  123. # [07:09] <Sirisian> Also this one needs to be looked at also: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11566
  124. # [07:09] <pimpbot> 11566: warcraftthreeft, P2, NEW, Image should have getContext(...) just like canvas
  125. # [07:11] <Sirisian> The image with the getContext allows a ton of cool things like easily creating cached textures. (Render a bunch of stuff to an image so you don't have to keep rendering each individual part)
  126. # [07:13] <Hixie> just have several overlapped canvases
  127. # [07:16] <Hixie> it'll be much faster to do it with multiple canvases than it would to try to shunt pixel data back and forth
  128. # [07:16] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 11412] <meta content> handling inconsistent with <meta charset> handling in 'in head'" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0334.html> ** "[Bug 11411] The encoding sniffing algorithm doesn't match the 'in head' insertion mode in some case when <meta> has both charset and content attributes" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0332
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  130. # [07:19] <CIA-1> html-spec: [cgiowt] (1) Make the charset sniffer more accurately match the parser.
  131. # [07:19] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11411
  132. # [07:19] <pimpbot> 11411: hsivonen, P2, RESOLVED FIXED, The encoding sniffing algorithm doesn't match the 'in head' insertion mode in some case when <meta> has both charset and content attributes
  133. # [07:21] <Sirisian> Hixie, allowing a person to hold onto one ImageData and just edit that pixel data and render that would be better than pulling the ImageData from the canvas and putting it back into the canvas then rendering that to the main canvas.
  134. # [07:26] <Sirisian> Also the whole idea would be not to make tons of extra canvas tags. It doesn't seem like it should be necessary?
  135. # [07:44] <Hixie> not tons, it's like one more canvas element.
  136. # [07:44] <Hixie> and you don't need to use imagedata at all
  137. # [07:44] <Hixie> just use the regular api to modify the ground
  138. # [07:46] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11500] The actual effect that triggering the command will have. This could be a scripted eve <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0338.html> ** [Bug 11499] make clear whether value attribute on input[type='button'] element can be empty <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0337.html> ** [Bug 11729] New: Hello your text is wrong.Hello your text is wrong.Hello your text is wr
  139. # [07:53] <Sirisian> But if you want to modify the pixel data you have to use getImageData which has an overhead even if you dirty rectangle and only grab the affected region and modify it. Unless you're suggesting using tons of 1 pixel drawRect calls. Basically all this allows is a putImageData that allows composition and not just a direct copy over of the pixel data.
  140. # [08:06] <Hixie> no i'm saying you can use the path api to blow the holes in the canvas
  141. # [08:06] <Hixie> but sure, you can use imagedata too
  142. # [08:06] <Hixie> just putimagedata the pixels to the canvas directly
  143. # [08:06] <Hixie> and overlay the canvases in the final rendering, so that several of them are showing
  144. # [08:06] <Hixie> instead of manually compositing it all down to one layer
  145. # [08:07] <Sirisian> eww
  146. # [08:10] <Sirisian> I needed the pixel data to work with still. I'll have to write up a larger explanation later.
  147. # [08:10] <Sirisian> It just seems like a flaw in the API
  148. # [08:11] <Sirisian> That along with this: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11566 solves all the basic problems I've seen with working with a single canvas
  149. # [08:11] <pimpbot> 11566: warcraftthreeft, P2, NEW, Image should have getContext(...) just like canvas
  150. # [08:12] <Sirisian> Actually if you could getImageData the actual imageData and not a copy that would be cool too
  151. # [08:12] <Hixie> i don't see why multiple canvases are a problem
  152. # [08:12] <Sirisian> hmm no wait
  153. # [08:13] <Hixie> but anyway, we might well add drawImage(ImageData) in a future version, it just doesn't seem like there's a pressing need for it
  154. # [08:14] <Sirisian> Hixie, because it's a hastle for game programming to design a rendering engine outside of one render target. Having to take a design then add tons of extra render targets is a roundabout way to solve it. Also for what I was talking about I still need the ImageData anyway so there's a cost in continuously creating new ImageData objects.
  155. # [08:14] <Sirisian> (I mean to get the pixel data to work with it)
  156. # [08:15] <Hixie> you don't need to continuously create new ImageData objects
  157. # [08:15] <Hixie> just have one
  158. # [08:15] <Hixie> and putImageData to the ground canvas
  159. # [08:15] <Sirisian> It's like telling someone programming in flash to make tons of swf projects and overlap them transparently to get a parallax scroll :\
  160. # [08:15] <Hixie> i really don't understand why a rendering engine designed for the web would assume that the render target is a <canvas> rather than assuming it's the Web, with as many <canvas>es as necessary
  161. # [08:16] <Hixie> no, it's not
  162. # [08:16] <Hixie> you're not programming in canvas
  163. # [08:16] <Hixie> you're programming with html
  164. # [08:16] <Hixie> the whole API
  165. # [08:16] <Hixie> canvas is but one tool in a large toolbox
  166. # [08:16] <Hixie> it's not the toolbox
  167. # [08:16] <Hixie> don't limit yourself artificially :-)
  168. # [08:16] <Sirisian> I'll have to think about this more. Still seems awkward to me.
  169. # [08:16] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11517] Since context.putImageData() does not handle compositing, another set of methods, maybe context.drawImageData(), should be created to allow ImageData objects to be drawn onto the canvas in the same fashion as Image objects. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0339.html>
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  172. # [08:33] <CIA-1> html-spec: [e] (0) xref typo
  173. # [08:33] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11501
  174. # [08:33] <pimpbot> 11501: contributor, P3, RESOLVED FIXED, xref: s/attr-input-disabled/attr-fe-disabled/
  175. # [08:46] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11386] Defer <video> rendering (letterboxing) to CSS <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0345.html> ** [Bug 11535] tabIndex IDL default is −1 for elements that are not focusable, but if the tabindex value is negative integer, the element can still be focused. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0344.html> ** [Bug 11534] clarify if specially focusable elements mean "
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  177. # [09:17] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10840] Allow the user to independently adjust the volumes of the audio description and original soundtracks. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0346.html>
  178. # [09:43] <pimpbot> planet: hsivonen: @daaitoulaam I guess we'll need to see what HTML.next looks like to find out if I think HTML5 has merits over it. <http://twitter.com/hsivonen/statuses/24736934576259072>
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  192. # [11:43] <pimpbot> planet: Chris Heilmann: People of HTML5 – Remy Sharp <http://hacks.mozilla.org/2011/01/people-of-html5-remy-sharp/> ** brucel: @shaunbent thanks! Added! http://introducinghtml5.tumblr.com/ cc @lewismcarey <http://twitter.com/brucel/statuses/24771406633893888>
  193. # [11:47] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11731] Replace <hgroup> element with a <subhead> element used as the child of the <hx> element <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0354.html> ** [Bug 11731] New: Replace <hgroup> element with a <subhead> element used as the child of the <hx> element <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0353.html>
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  196. # [12:43] <pimpbot> planet: brucel: My fave co-author @rem has a People of HTML5 interview http://mzl.la/eaZuam - @codepo8 asks him about JS, APIs, Flash and more <http://twitter.com/brucel/statuses/24780005095510016> ** brucel: RT @stevefaulkner: bug submitted to replace #HTML5 &lt;hgroup&gt; element http://bit.ly/gcsDgV after discussion on #W3C HTML mailing li ... <http://twitter.com/brucel/statuses/24779349831974912> ** stevefaulkner: bug submitted to replac
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  208. # [15:18] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11731] Replace <hgroup> element with a <subhead> element used as the child of the <hx> element <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0366.html>
  209. # [15:44] <pimpbot> planet: brucel: @trygve_lie no: was thinking of the prohibition in html5 spec against full-vid which was later removed <http://twitter.com/brucel/statuses/24835943114477568> ** Bruce Lawson: HTML5 and Search Engine Optimisation <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/html5doctor/~3/MJXrAGfOMwQ/>
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  217. # [16:44] <pimpbot> planet: stevefaulkner: #HTML5 hidden attribute implemented in Firefox and Webkit/Safari, how? by applying CSS display:none to elements with a hidden attribute... <http://twitter.com/stevefaulkner/statuses/24838942469652480> ** brucel: #HTML5 and Search Engine Optimisation, by yours truly http://html5doctor.com/html5-seo-search-engine-optimisation/ <http://twitter.com/brucel/statuses/24837471330115584>
  218. # [16:48] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11501] xref: s/attr-input-disabled/attr-fe-disabled/ <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0369.html> ** [Bug 11490] "Let target has no browsing context,", "Let target's browsing context has no top-level browsing context": s/Let/If/ <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0368.html> ** [Bug 11483] What should selectionStart/End return when there is no selection and no cursor?
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  230. # [18:45] <pimpbot> planet: Jeremy Keith: The design of datalist <http://adactio.com/journal/4272/>
  231. # [18:49] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10485] The img element with non-empty alt should default to the img aria role <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0381.html> ** [Bug 10066] replace section 3.2.6 with the alternative spec text provided (ARIA) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0380.html> ** [Bug 10486] References to "image" ARIA role should be "img" <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bu
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  238. # [19:49] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11386] Defer <video> rendering (letterboxing) to CSS <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0397.html> ** [Bug 11736] On XAMPP audio didn't work, at least on Firefox 4 beta and Google Chrome. On audio tag demo sites it works thought :/ <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0396.html> ** [Bug 11736] New: On XAMPP audio didn't work, at least on Firefox 4 beta and Google Chrome.
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  242. # [20:18] <CIA-1> html-spec: [e] (0) typo
  243. # [20:18] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11558
  244. # [20:18] <pimpbot> 11558: contributor, P3, RESOLVED FIXED, Drop any the <fragment> components of the resulting absolute URLs. - grammar
  245. # [20:19] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11557] Authors should not be allowed to specify roles on elements that they already have by default <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0405.html> ** "[Bug 11558] Drop any the <fragment> components of the resulting absolute URLs. - grammar" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0404.html> ** [Bug 11548] Suggestion for improved caching functionality i
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  247. # [20:48] <CIA-1> html-spec: [e] (0) add a note about newlines in textarea vs the bidi algorithm
  248. # [20:48] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11502
  249. # [20:48] <pimpbot> 11502: aharon.lists.lanin, P2, RESOLVED FIXED, Add note on bidi behavior of newline in textarea
  250. # [20:49] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11241] Canvas support accessible Focus Ring tracking independent of caret or selection tracking <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0421.html> ** [Bug 11240] Canvas support accessible selection position tracking independent of Focus Ring tracking <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0420.html> ** [Bug 11431] should mention that .toDataURL() for image/jpeg acts as if the i
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  252. # [21:13] <CIA-1> html-spec: [giow] (1) clarify :read-write
  253. # [21:13] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11554
  254. # [21:13] <pimpbot> 11554: ehsan, P2, RESOLVED FIXED, :read-write selector spec is ambiguous on editable input/textarea fields
  255. # [21:19] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11679] <device> should most surely also be able to work with USB devices. Using Joystick input in <canvas>-based games comes to mind! So far, this can only be solved using NPAPI plugins or the like. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0428.html> ** [Bug 11612] <device> should include RS232 and USB <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0429.html> ** [Bug 11603] <device> nee
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  257. # [21:33] <CIA-1> html-spec: [e] (0) correct the example
  258. # [21:33] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11608
  259. # [21:33] <pimpbot> 11608: contributor, P3, RESOLVED FIXED, The first four URIs on the screenshot are not sorted lexically.
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  264. # [21:48] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * d39e0b492f0b r5771 / (index complete.html source):
  265. # [21:48] <CIA-1> html-spec: [e] (0) consistency (checkbox vs check box)
  266. # [21:48] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11044
  267. # [21:48] <pimpbot> 11044: contributor, P3, RESOLVED FIXED, s/check box/checkbox/ for consistency
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  270. # [21:48] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11051
  271. # [21:48] <pimpbot> 11051: contributor, P3, RESOLVED FIXED, Remove NOT_READABLE_ERR, ENCODING_ERR
  272. # [21:50] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 11051] Remove NOT_READABLE_ERR, ENCODING_ERR" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0442.html> ** "[Bug 11044] s/check box/checkbox/ for consistency" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0440.html> ** [Bug 11071] Table of Contents higher up. Hello, I am reading this document for the first time. It is great to have as a referenc
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  275. # [22:04] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11067
  276. # [22:04] <pimpbot> 11067: annevk, P2, RESOLVED FIXED, Provide <form>-agnostic multipart/form-data encoding algorithm
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  281. # [22:21] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11100
  282. # [22:21] <pimpbot> 11100: contributor, P3, RESOLVED FIXED, The example in 8.7.1 has "event.effectAllowed" instead of "event.dataTransfer.effectAllowed"
  283. # [22:46] <pimpbot> planet: Chris Pearce: Google to remove H.264 support from Chrome <http://blog.pearce.org.nz/2011/01/google-to-remove-h264-support-from.html>
  284. # [22:50] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11085] Define what "this" value to use for setTimeout(function) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0451.html> ** [Bug 11051] Remove NOT_READABLE_ERR, ENCODING_ERR <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0450.html>
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