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  18. # [01:24] <pimpbot> changes: eliot: Rewrote Attribute Values based on mail feedback <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Jan/0147.html>
  19. # [01:24] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11699] When calling input.focus(), should (a) the cursor be at the start, (b) the cursor be at the end or (c) the contents be selected? Please define <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0916.html> ** [Bug 11579] Support for IDNs in e-mail addresses should be "should" or "must", not just "may" <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0915.html> ** [Bug 10904] <video> element n
  20. # [01:54] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11856] what happens when nothing happens in the getData() algorithm? <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0917.html>
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  25. # [02:24] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10053] how about minlength? i'd like to see certain fields to have a minimum amoung of characters for validation <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0918.html>
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  31. # [05:42] <pimpbot> planet: Planet Opera: Opera Developer Network: The Zen of HTML5: London Web presentation <http://my.opera.com/ODIN/blog/show.dml/25209992>
  32. # [05:55] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11884] HAVE_ALL_DATA would be good for when the UA has finished downloading the entire media file. Also, a "loaded" or "progressend" event should be fired so users can know when a file has finished buffering. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0920.html> ** [Bug 11884] New: HAVE_ALL_DATA would be good for when the UA has finished downloading the entire media file. Also, a "loaded" or "progressend" event sho
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  50. # [10:44] <pimpbot> planet: Chris Heilmann: People of HTML5 – Rob Hawkes <http://hacks.mozilla.org/2011/01/people-of-html5-rob-hawkes/>
  51. # [10:56] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11129] Remove forminput, formchange and related dispatch methods <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0922.html> ** [Bug 11886] New: what is this? <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0921.html>
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  58. # [11:26] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 11129] Remove forminput, formchange and related dispatch methods" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0923.html>
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  61. # [11:56] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11887] Remove useless input.valueAsNumber. Pretty much the same functionality can be achieved using parseFloat or parseInt <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0925.html> ** [Bug 11887] New: Remove useless input.valueAsNumber. Pretty much the same functionality can be actieved using parseFloat or parseInt <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0924.html>
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  64. # [12:26] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11886] what is this? <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0926.html>
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  68. # [14:27] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 11889] HTMLInputElement section seems to say that mutable is similar to immutable" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0929.html> ** [Bug 11889] New: The text here says that an input element is always mutable and then says that “similarly” the user agent should not allow the user to modify the element's value or checkedness. The sense seems to be backwards. Not being allowed
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  73. # [14:57] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11890] New: Sometimes we need a pixel(x,y) method. createImageData(1,1) anj put it is slow. javascript is not as fast as c/c++ <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0930.html>
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  82. # [15:57] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 11129] Remove forminput, formchange and related dispatch methods" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0932.html>
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  85. # [16:27] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 11893] define lexical processing rules for ARIA attributes" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0940.html> ** [Bug 11893] New: define lexical processing models for ARIA attributes <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0938.html> ** [Bug 11889] HTMLInputElement section seems to say that mutable is similar to immutable <http://lists.w3.org/Archives
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  88. # [16:57] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11699] When calling input.focus(), should (a) the cursor be at the start, (b) the cursor be at the end or (c) the contents be selected? Please define <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0942.html> ** [Bug 10053] how about minlength? i'd like to see certain fields to have a minimum amoung of characters for validation <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0941.html>
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  92. # [17:28] <pimpbot> changes: steve: re-arranged content to frontload the meat <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Jan/0148.html>
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  102. # [18:02] <paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2011JanMar/0007.html
  103. # [18:02] <pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG Telecon 2010-01-27: status of actions, new issues, closing items, new calls, charter status from Paul Cotton on 2011-01-26 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from January to March 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
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  105. # [18:03] <rubys> trackbot, start meeting
  106. # [18:03] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference
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  109. # [18:03] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  110. # [18:03] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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  112. # [18:03] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
  113. # [18:03] <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
  114. # [18:03] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  115. # [18:03] <trackbot> Date: 27 January 2011
  116. # [18:03] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  117. # [18:03] <Julian> Zakim,. who's on the phone?
  118. # [18:03] <Zakim> I don't understand your question, Julian.
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  121. # [18:03] <Julian> Zakim, who's on the phone?
  122. # [18:03] <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.251.280.aaaa, +1.732.238.aabb, [Microsoft]
  123. # [18:03] <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
  124. # [18:03] <Zakim> +paulc; got it
  125. # [18:04] <Julian> Zakim, +1.251.280.aaaa is me
  126. # [18:04] <Zakim> +Julian; got it
  127. # [18:04] <Zakim> +Sam
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  129. # [18:04] * plh zakim, call plh-mobile
  130. # [18:04] * Zakim ok, plh; the call is being made
  131. # [18:04] <Zakim> +Plh
  132. # [18:04] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
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  134. # [18:04] <eliot> zakim, microsoft.a is me
  135. # [18:04] <Zakim> +eliot; got it
  136. # [18:05] <rubys> chair: Paul Cotton
  137. # [18:05] <rubys> scribeNick: rubys
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  140. # [18:06] <paulc> zakim, who's on the phone?
  141. # [18:06] <Zakim> On the phone I see Julian, +1.732.238.aabb, [Microsoft], Sam, Plh, eliot, adrianba
  142. # [18:06] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc
  143. # [18:08] <rubys> topic: 1. ACTION items due by Thursday, January 27
  144. # [18:08] <rubys> Action-29?
  145. # [18:08] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-29
  146. # [18:08] <trackbot> ACTION-29 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to follow up on the idea of a free-software-compatible license for a note on HTML authoring -- due 2011-01-20 -- OPEN
  147. # [18:08] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/29
  148. # [18:08] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-29: Follow up on the idea of a free-software-compatible license for a note on HTML authoring - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  149. # [18:09] <rubys> plh: we made some progress... there is a new proposal which will be sent to the PSIG soon. Maciej contributed to it.
  150. # [18:09] <rubys> ... it does not address all of the use cases, but does seem to be promising
  151. # [18:09] <rubys> ... hopefully I will be able to show it to the HTML WG at some point
  152. # [18:09] <rubys> action-29 due Feb 24
  153. # [18:10] * trackbot attempting to change due date on ACTION-29.
  154. # [18:10] <trackbot> ACTION-29 Follow up on the idea of a free-software-compatible license for a note on HTML authoring due date now Feb 24
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  156. # [18:10] <rubys> action-193?
  157. # [18:10] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-193
  158. # [18:10] <trackbot> ACTION-193 -- Paul Cotton to and co-chairs to investigate how to handle standardization of websrt -- due 2011-01-27 -- OPEN
  159. # [18:10] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/193
  160. # [18:10] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-193: And co-chairs to investigate how to handle standardization of websrt - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  161. # [18:10] <rubys> action-193 due in two weeks
  162. # [18:10] * trackbot attempting to change due date on ACTION-193.
  163. # [18:10] <trackbot> ACTION-193 And co-chairs to investigate how to handle standardization of websrt due date now in two weeks
  164. # [18:11] * MikeSmith Zakim, code?
  165. # [18:11] * Zakim saw 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479) given for the conference code, MikeSmith
  166. # [18:11] <Zakim> + +1.415.595.aacc
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  168. # [18:11] <mjs> Zakim, +1.415.595.aacc is me
  169. # [18:11] <Zakim> +mjs; got it
  170. # [18:11] <rubys> plh: there is new information because of some talk at the FCC
  171. # [18:12] <Zakim> +??P16
  172. # [18:12] <paulc> SMPE TT: http://store.smpte.org/product-p/st%202052-1-2010.htm
  173. # [18:12] <MikeSmith> Zakim, ??P16 is me
  174. # [18:12] <Zakim> +MikeSmith; got it
  175. # [18:13] <paulc> s/SMPE/SMPTE/
  176. # [18:13] <rubys> Action-201?
  177. # [18:13] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-201
  178. # [18:13] <trackbot> ACTION-201 -- Sam Ruby to report on progress in rendering a WG decision on ISSUE-41 -- due 2011-01-27 -- OPEN
  179. # [18:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/201
  180. # [18:13] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-201: Report on progress in rendering a WG decision on ISSUE-41 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
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  182. # [18:13] <rubys> rubys: optimistic that we will have a decision next week
  183. # [18:13] <rubys> action-201 due in one week
  184. # [18:13] * trackbot attempting to change due date on ACTION-201.
  185. # [18:13] <trackbot> ACTION-201 Report on progress in rendering a WG decision on ISSUE-41 due date now in one week
  186. # [18:14] <Zakim> + +1.715.718.aadd
  187. # [18:14] <rubys> topic: 2. New Issues This Week
  188. # [18:14] * plh zakim, mute me
  189. # [18:14] * Zakim Plh should now be muted
  190. # [18:14] <Laura> Zakim, aadd is me
  191. # [18:14] <Zakim> +Laura; got it
  192. # [18:15] <rubys> paulc: saturday was the last date that issues could be raised for last call
  193. # [18:15] <rubys> issue-157?
  194. # [18:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-157
  195. # [18:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-157 -- A comprehensive, semantic image map specification -- raised
  196. # [18:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/157
  197. # [18:15] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-157: A comprehensive, semantic image map specification - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  198. # [18:15] <Zakim> -Julian
  199. # [18:15] <rubys> paulc: we currently have 47 issues pending for last call
  200. # [18:15] <rubys> issue-158?
  201. # [18:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-158
  202. # [18:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-158 -- HTML4's content-model for <object> should continue -- raised
  203. # [18:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/158
  204. # [18:15] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-158: HTML4s content-model for should continue - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  205. # [18:15] <rubys> issue-160?
  206. # [18:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-160
  207. # [18:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-160 -- Remove restriction on command element as part of a menu -- raised
  208. # [18:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/160
  209. # [18:15] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-160: Remove restriction on command element as part of a menu - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  210. # [18:15] <Zakim> +Julian
  211. # [18:16] <rubys> issue-161?
  212. # [18:16] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-161
  213. # [18:16] <trackbot> ISSUE-161 -- Create document defining mappings from html elements to platform accessibility apis -- raised
  214. # [18:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/161
  215. # [18:16] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-161: Create document defining mappings from html elements to platform accessibility apis - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  216. # [18:16] <rubys> paulc: all of these issues have had a call for proposals in accordance to our timeline
  217. # [18:16] <rubys> paulc: we will pick up these in agenda item 6
  218. # [18:16] <rubys> paulc: any questions?
  219. # [18:17] <rubys> rubys: 2 of the 47 issues are actually LC issues
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  221. # [18:17] <rubys> paulc: perhaps we can indicate that some way on the issue-status page
  222. # [18:17] <janina> zakim, call janina
  223. # [18:17] <Zakim> ok, janina; the call is being made
  224. # [18:17] <Zakim> +Janina
  225. # [18:18] <rubys> topic: Items Closed Last Week
  226. # [18:18] <rubys> issue-120?
  227. # [18:18] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-120
  228. # [18:18] <trackbot> ISSUE-120 -- Use of prefixes is too complicated for a Web technology -- open
  229. # [18:18] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/120
  230. # [18:18] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-120: Use of prefixes is too complicated for a Web technology - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  231. # [18:18] <rubys> paulc: we have both a proposal and a change proposal (despite what the agenda says)
  232. # [18:18] <rubys> issue-135?
  233. # [18:18] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-135
  234. # [18:18] <trackbot> ISSUE-135 -- put back direct link to the W3C version of the canvas 2d context spec -- open
  235. # [18:18] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/135
  236. # [18:18] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-135: put back direct link to the W3C version of the canvas 2d context spec - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  237. # [18:19] <rubys> we have a proposal
  238. # [18:19] <Julian> s/we have both a proposal and a change proposal/we have both a change proposal and a counter proposal/
  239. # [18:19] <rubys> s/we have a proposal/paulc: we have a proposal/
  240. # [18:19] <rubys> issue-139?
  241. # [18:19] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-139
  242. # [18:19] <trackbot> ISSUE-139 -- HTML5 spec mentions Microdata in Acknowledgements -- open
  243. # [18:19] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/139
  244. # [18:19] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-139: HTML5 spec mentions Microdata in Acknowledgements - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  245. # [18:19] <rubys> paulc: we have both a proposal and a counter proposal
  246. # [18:20] <Julian> q+
  247. # [18:20] * Zakim sees Julian on the speaker queue
  248. # [18:20] <rubys> issue-140?
  249. # [18:20] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-140
  250. # [18:20] <trackbot> ISSUE-140 -- clarify the applicability of the term "conforming document" in cases where "applicable specifications" had been used to augment or change the base HTML5 specification -- open
  251. # [18:20] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/140
  252. # [18:20] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-140: clarify the applicability of the term "conforming document" in cases where "applicable specifications" had been used to augment or change the base HTML5 specification - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  253. # [18:20] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Jan/0239.html
  254. # [18:20] <pimpbot> Title: Resubmission of Change proposal for HTML WG ISSUE-140: Conformance terminology when applicable specifications are used from Noah Mendelsohn on 2011-01-19 (public-html@w3.org from January 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
  255. # [18:20] <rubys> juilan: noah posted a proposal
  256. # [18:21] <rubys> topic: Items Closing This Week
  257. # [18:21] <Julian> q-
  258. # [18:21] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  259. # [18:21] <rubys> issue-138?
  260. # [18:21] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-138
  261. # [18:21] <trackbot> ISSUE-138 -- "mutate action" for issueing a GET request is misleading -- pending review
  262. # [18:21] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/138
  263. # [18:21] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-138: "mutate action" for issueing a GET request is misleading - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  264. # [18:21] <rubys> paulc: ... closed on jan 25
  265. # [18:21] <Julian> s/juilan/julian/
  266. # [18:21] <rubys> issue-119?
  267. # [18:21] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-119
  268. # [18:21] <trackbot> ISSUE-119 -- Certain relationships take on a special meaning when repeated; other solutions may be cleaner -- open
  269. # [18:21] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/119
  270. # [18:21] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-119: Certain relationships take on a special meaning when repeated; other solutions may be cleaner - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  271. # [18:21] <rubys> paulc: closed on jan 26
  272. # [18:21] <rubys> issue-125?
  273. # [18:21] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-125
  274. # [18:21] <trackbot> ISSUE-125 -- Requirement to break RFC 2616 compliance with respect to single quotes not needed for legacy content -- open
  275. # [18:21] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/125
  276. # [18:21] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-125: Requirement to break RFC 2616 compliance with respect to single quotes not needed for legacy content - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  277. # [18:21] <rubys> paulc: also closed on jan 26
  278. # [18:22] <rubys> issue-126?
  279. # [18:22] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-126
  280. # [18:22] <trackbot> ISSUE-126 -- Requirement to break RFC 2616 compliance with respect to backslashes not needed for legacy content -- open
  281. # [18:22] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/126
  282. # [18:22] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-126: Requirement to break RFC 2616 compliance with respect to backslashes not needed for legacy content - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  283. # [18:22] <rubys> paulc: also closed on the same date. Any questions?
  284. # [18:22] <rubys> issue-142?
  285. # [18:22] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-142
  286. # [18:22] <trackbot> ISSUE-142 -- No alternative text description for video key frame (poster) -- open
  287. # [18:22] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/142
  288. # [18:22] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-142: No alternative text description for video key frame (poster) - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  289. # [18:22] <rubys> paulc: closed yesterday...
  290. # [18:23] <rubys> janina: there are both a proposal and a change proposal.
  291. # [18:23] <rubys> paulc: is there a target for when the a11y TF will issue a recommendation?
  292. # [18:23] <rubys> janina: 30 days
  293. # [18:23] <rubys> issue-144?
  294. # [18:23] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-144
  295. # [18:23] <trackbot> ISSUE-144 -- <u> should be conforming -- raised
  296. # [18:23] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/144
  297. # [18:23] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-144: should be conforming - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
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  299. # [18:24] <rubys> rubys: I don't see any proposals
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  301. # [18:25] <oedipus> regrets+ Gregory_Rosmaita
  302. # [18:25] <rubys> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/UShouldBeConforming
  303. # [18:25] <Julian> Change proposal for ISSUE-145 is in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Jan/0277.html
  304. # [18:25] <pimpbot> Title: ChangeProposals/UShouldBeConforming - HTML WG Wiki (at www.w3.org)
  305. # [18:25] <pimpbot> Title: Change Proposal for ISSUE-145, was: ISSUE-145 (codecs-vs-octet): Chairs Solicit Proposals from Julian Reschke on 2011-01-22 (public-html@w3.org from January 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
  306. # [18:25] <Julian> q+
  307. # [18:25] * Zakim sees Julian on the speaker queue
  308. # [18:25] <rubys> issue-145?
  309. # [18:25] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-145
  310. # [18:25] <trackbot> ISSUE-145 -- use of "codecs" parameter -- open
  311. # [18:25] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/145
  312. # [18:25] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-145: use of "codecs" parameter - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  313. # [18:26] <rubys> issue-146?
  314. # [18:26] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-146
  315. # [18:26] <trackbot> ISSUE-146 -- <video> should allow muted as a content attribute -- open
  316. # [18:26] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/146
  317. # [18:26] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-146: should allow muted as a content attribute - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  318. # [18:26] <paulc> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/VideoMuted
  319. # [18:26] <pimpbot> Title: ChangeProposals/VideoMuted - HTML WG Wiki (at www.w3.org)
  320. # [18:26] <Julian> q+
  321. # [18:26] * Zakim sees Julian on the speaker queue
  322. # [18:26] <rubys> paulc: we made good progress on these 4
  323. # [18:28] <rubys> julian: I argue that the counter proposal for issue 145 is out of scope as it proposes something considerably larger than what the original bug was reported on
  324. # [18:28] <Julian> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Jan/0294.html
  325. # [18:28] <paulc> 145 proposal: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Jan/0277.html
  326. # [18:28] <pimpbot> Title: Re: ISSUE-145 (codecs-vs-octet): Chairs Solicit Proposals from Philip Jägenstedt on 2011-01-23 (public-html@w3.org from January 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
  327. # [18:28] <pimpbot> Title: Change Proposal for ISSUE-145, was: ISSUE-145 (codecs-vs-octet): Chairs Solicit Proposals from Julian Reschke on 2011-01-22 (public-html@w3.org from January 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
  328. # [18:28] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11893] define lexical processing rules for ARIA attributes <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0944.html> ** [Bug 11892] explicitly state that ARIA states and properties are formal/normative HTML attributes <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0943.html>
  329. # [18:29] <rubys> paulc: did you respond on list?
  330. # [18:29] <rubys> julian: just did
  331. # [18:29] <Julian> see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Jan/0410.html
  332. # [18:29] <pimpbot> Title: Re: ISSUE-145 (codecs-vs-octet): Chairs Solicit Proposals from Julian Reschke on 2011-01-27 (public-html@w3.org from January 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
  333. # [18:29] <Julian> q-
  334. # [18:29] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  335. # [18:29] <rubys> paulc: thanks for that information
  336. # [18:29] <rubys> topic: 5. Items Closing Next Week
  337. # [18:29] <rubys> issue-147?
  338. # [18:29] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-147
  339. # [18:29] <trackbot> ISSUE-147 -- playbackrate: undefined behavior when the user agent can't play back at the requested rate -- raised
  340. # [18:29] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/147
  341. # [18:29] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-147: playbackrate: undefined behavior when the user agent cant play back at the requested rate - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  342. # [18:30] <rubys> paulc: no proposals received yet, due feb 6
  343. # [18:30] <rubys> issue-148?
  344. # [18:30] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-148
  345. # [18:30] <trackbot> ISSUE-148 -- Algorithm for detecting the charset="" parameter -- raised
  346. # [18:30] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/148
  347. # [18:30] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-148: Algorithm for detecting the charset="" parameter - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  348. # [18:30] <rubys> paulc: no proposals yet
  349. # [18:30] <rubys> issue-149?
  350. # [18:30] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-149
  351. # [18:30] <trackbot> ISSUE-149 -- Use markup compatible with both HTML/XML syntax in examples -- raised
  352. # [18:30] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/149
  353. # [18:30] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-149: Use markup compatible with both HTML/XML syntax in examples - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  354. # [18:30] <Zakim> -Julian
  355. # [18:30] <rubys> paulc: call made jan5; no proposals yet
  356. # [18:30] <rubys> issue-151?
  357. # [18:30] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-151
  358. # [18:30] <trackbot> ISSUE-151 -- Remove WhatWG and html5.org references in status section of document -- open
  359. # [18:30] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/151
  360. # [18:30] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-151: Remove WhatWG and html5.org references in status section of document - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  361. # [18:31] <rubys> rubys: we got a counter proposal on 151
  362. # [18:31] <paulc> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/NO-ISSUE-151
  363. # [18:31] <pimpbot> Title: ChangeProposals/NO-ISSUE-151 - HTML WG Wiki (at www.w3.org)
  364. # [18:31] <Zakim> +Julian
  365. # [18:31] <rubys> rubys: there is still plenty of time for people to create proposals
  366. # [18:31] <rubys> topic: 6. New Calls this week
  367. # [18:32] <Julian> Zakim, who's on the phone?
  368. # [18:32] <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.732.238.aabb, [Microsoft], Sam, Plh (muted), eliot, adrianba, mjs, MikeSmith, Laura, Janina, Julian
  369. # [18:32] <rubys> paulc: fall into three categories. The first four were proposed earlier in the week...
  370. # [18:32] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc
  371. # [18:32] <rubys> issue-131?
  372. # [18:32] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-131
  373. # [18:32] <trackbot> ISSUE-131 -- Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? -- raised
  374. # [18:32] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131
  375. # [18:32] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-131: Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  376. # [18:32] <rubys> paulc: janina, any status?
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  379. # [18:33] <rubys> issue-152?
  380. # [18:33] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-152
  381. # [18:33] <trackbot> ISSUE-152 -- Handling of additional tracks of a multitrack audio/video resource -- raised
  382. # [18:33] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/152
  383. # [18:33] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-152: Handling of additional tracks of a multitrack audio/video resource - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  384. # [18:33] <rubys> issue-155?
  385. # [18:33] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-155
  386. # [18:33] <trackbot> ISSUE-155 -- make <table border="1" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0"> conforming -- open
  387. # [18:33] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/155
  388. # [18:33] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-155: make conforming - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  389. # [18:33] <rubys> issue-156?
  390. # [18:33] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-156
  391. # [18:33] <trackbot> ISSUE-156 -- Permit closing tag for new, void elements - for legacy compatibility = XHTML alignment -- raised
  392. # [18:33] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/156
  393. # [18:33] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-156: Permit closing tag for new, void elements - for legacy compatibility = XHTML alignment - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  394. # [18:33] <rubys> paulc: all of these are due on Feb 21
  395. # [18:34] <rubys> paulc: second batch cover the 'last chance' issues.... all are due Feb 23, all covered previously in the agenda
  396. # [18:34] <rubys> issue-157?
  397. # [18:34] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-157
  398. # [18:34] <trackbot> ISSUE-157 -- A comprehensive, semantic image map specification -- raised
  399. # [18:34] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/157
  400. # [18:34] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-157: A comprehensive, semantic image map specification - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  401. # [18:34] <rubys> issue-158?
  402. # [18:34] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-158
  403. # [18:34] <trackbot> ISSUE-158 -- HTML4's content-model for <object> should continue -- raised
  404. # [18:34] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/158
  405. # [18:34] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-158: HTML4s content-model for should continue - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  406. # [18:34] <rubys> issue-160?
  407. # [18:34] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-160
  408. # [18:34] <trackbot> ISSUE-160 -- Remove restriction on command element as part of a menu -- raised
  409. # [18:34] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/160
  410. # [18:34] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-160: Remove restriction on command element as part of a menu - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  411. # [18:34] <rubys> issue-161?
  412. # [18:34] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-161
  413. # [18:34] <trackbot> ISSUE-161 -- Create document defining mappings from html elements to platform accessibility apis -- raised
  414. # [18:34] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/161
  415. # [18:34] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-161: Create document defining mappings from html elements to platform accessibility apis - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  416. # [18:35] <rubys> paulc: some of these are accessibility related
  417. # [18:35] <rubys> janina: some of these were discussed in the TF call
  418. # [18:35] <rubys> paulc: it would be helpful to hear an update in the next week TF report agenda item
  419. # [18:36] <rubys> janina: will do
  420. # [18:36] <rubys> issue-128?
  421. # [18:36] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-128
  422. # [18:36] <trackbot> ISSUE-128 -- Authors should be able to use <figure> where <img> can be used -- open
  423. # [18:36] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/128
  424. # [18:36] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-128: Authors should be able to use where can be used - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  425. # [18:36] <rubys> paulc: we attempted to call for consensus based on the withdrawl, but we received an objection, so we will revert back to the survey
  426. # [18:36] * plh zakim, unmute me
  427. # [18:36] * Zakim Plh should no longer be muted
  428. # [18:36] <rubys> topic: 7. Other Business
  429. # [18:36] <rubys> topic: a) Status of HTML WG charter [Philippe Le Hégaret]
  430. # [18:37] <rubys> plh: this was talked about in TPAC. We will do an extension of the charter, most likely next week.
  431. # [18:37] <rubys> paulc: this is not a revision, but an extension; no change in scope
  432. # [18:37] <rubys> paulc: any questions?
  433. # [18:37] <rubys> topic: 8. Chair and Scribe for next meeting
  434. # [18:38] <rubys> rubys: I assume it would be Maciej's turn to chair
  435. # [18:38] <rubys> paulc: any volunteers for scribing?
  436. # [18:38] <rubys> paulc: I'll volunteer to scribe....
  437. # [18:38] <rubys> topic: 9. Adjournment
  438. # [18:39] <Zakim> -adrianba
  439. # [18:39] <Zakim> -Plh
  440. # [18:39] <Zakim> -eliot
  441. # [18:39] <Zakim> - +1.732.238.aabb
  442. # [18:39] <rubys> paulc: adjourned
  443. # [18:39] <MikeSmith> Zakim, drop me
  444. # [18:39] <Zakim> MikeSmith is being disconnected
  445. # [18:39] <Zakim> -MikeSmith
  446. # [18:39] <Zakim> -Janina
  447. # [18:39] <rubys> rrsagent, publish minutes
  448. # [18:39] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/01/27-html-wg-minutes.html rubys
  449. # [18:39] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  450. # [18:39] <Zakim> -mjs
  451. # [18:39] <Zakim> -Sam
  452. # [18:39] <Zakim> -Laura
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  454. # [18:39] <Zakim> -Julian
  455. # [18:39] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  456. # [18:39] <Zakim> Attendees were +1.732.238.aabb, paulc, Julian, Sam, Plh, [Microsoft], eliot, adrianba, mjs, MikeSmith, +1.715.718.aadd, Laura, Janina
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  466. # [19:28] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11890] Sometimes we need a pixel(x,y) method. createImageData(1,1) anj put it is slow. javascript is not as fast as c/c++ <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0945.html>
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  476. # [20:28] <pimpbot> changes: sam: Issue 144 change proposal (and review comments) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Jan/0149.html>
  477. # [20:28] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11699] When calling input.focus(), should (a) the cursor be at the start, (b) the cursor be at the end or (c) the contents be selected? Please define <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0948.html> ** "[Bug 11887] Remove useless input.valueAsNumber. Pretty much the same functionality can be achieved using parseFloat or parseInt" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzil
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  488. # [20:59] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11895] Make Downloads more reliable by specifying checksums <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0951.html> ** [Bug 11896] New: html-letter.pdf appears truncated <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0950.html> ** [Bug 11895] New: Make Downloads more reliable by specifying checksums <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0949.html>
  489. # [21:47] <pimpbot> planet: Surfin&rsquo; Safari: Layout Tests: Theory <http://webkit.org/blog/1452/layout-tests-theory/>
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  491. # [21:59] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 11895] Make Downloads more reliable by specifying checksums" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0952.html>
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  498. # [23:47] <pimpbot> planet: Julie Choi: Your Game On Finalists: 35 Great Open Web Games <http://mozillalabs.com/gaming/2011/01/27/your-game-on-finalists-35-great-open-web-games/>
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