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  14. # [01:10] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: add an example for completeness; this may well change if we change the rules here and is not intended to indicate any preference on my part for one set of rules or another. (whatwg r5816) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Feb/0012.html>
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  16. # [01:40] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11960] Consider making the global scope pollution by names/ids quirks-only <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0097.html> ** [Bug 11968] <!-- Load the Google AJAX API Loader --> <script type="text/javascript" src="http://www.google.com/jsapi"></script> <!-- Load the Google Friend Connect javascript library. --> <script type="text/javascript"> google.load('friendconnect', '0.8'); </script> <http://lists.w3
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  18. # [01:56] <pimpbot> planet: Tantek: Dear @OKCupid: How to update a post: <ins datetime="2011-02-02">UPDATE: ...</ins> #HTML5 #blogging101 <http://tantek.com/2011/033/t5/assumptions-untrue-okcupid-should-update-post>
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  21. # [02:40] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7601] refer to pronunciations for TTS PLS with link rel value "pronunciation" <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0098.html>
  22. # [03:10] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11242] Canvas must define what HTML elements may be used in the DOM Subtree <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0101.html> ** [Bug 11342] The TextMetrics baseline must provide a baseline property <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0100.html> ** [Bug 11239] Canvas support accessible caret tracking independent of Focus Ring tracking <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public
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  24. # [03:40] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11946] "The discarded bits mean that, for instance, atob("YQ") and atob("YR") both return "a"." was meant to be a note. Do you really want it to be normative text? <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0103.html> ** [Bug 11959] Hi, user agents are "encouraged" to make it possible to view tooltips without the use of a pointing device (it means while browsing with the keyboard for instance). Why don't we make th
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  27. # [05:41] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11969] New: Thank you for giving us precious resource. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0104.html>
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  29. # [06:41] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Make script-inserted external scripts that have .async=false execute in the insertion order, default to true (whatwg r5817) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Feb/0013.html>
  30. # [06:41] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 11295] Make script-inserted external scripts that have .async=false execute in the insertion order, default to true" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0110.html> ** [Bug 11342] The TextMetrics baseline must provide a baseline property <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0108.html> ** [Bug 11969] Thank you for giving us precious resource. <htt
  31. # [06:49] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * ec721cc11b27 r5816 / (index complete.html source):
  32. # [06:49] <CIA-1> html-spec: [agiow] (0) Make script-inserted external scripts that have .async=false execute in the insertion order, default to true
  33. # [06:49] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11295
  34. # [06:49] <pimpbot> 11295: hsivonen, P2, RESOLVED FIXED, Make script-inserted external scripts that have .async=false execute in the insertion order, default to true
  35. # [07:11] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 11295] Make script-inserted external scripts that have .async=false execute in the insertion order, default to true" (3 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0111.html>
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  44. # [07:54] <estopa> hi
  45. # [07:57] <pimpbot> planet: Ian Hickson: Script execution order post-mortem <http://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1296711456&count=1>
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  50. # [10:42] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11963] The namedItem(key) method must return the first node in the collection that matches the following requirements: •It is an a, applet, area, embed, form, frame, frameset, iframe, img, or object element with a name attribute equal to key, or, •It is an e <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0113.html> ** "[Bug 11295] Make script-inserted external scripts that have .async=false execute in the ins
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  71. # [14:18] <Julian> no UA implementing iframe/@seamless yet???
  72. # [14:21] <anne> !!!
  73. # [14:24] <Julian> too bad!!!
  74. # [14:25] <Julian> as I would have hoped that to be both popular and a low-hanging fruit
  75. # [14:25] <anne> I guess WebKit only implemented sandboxing so far
  76. # [14:25] <Julian> yeah, but @seamless and sandbox are somewhat orthogonal, right?
  77. # [14:25] <anne> Yeah
  78. # [14:26] <anne> The way seamless affects Selector matching is what makes it less innocent than it seems
  79. # [14:27] <Julian> ack
  80. # [14:28] <Julian> is there a way to achieve a similar results without @seamless (getting rid of borders and scrollbars, and not having to specify a height?)
  81. # [14:28] <anne> not that I know
  82. # [14:29] <anne> apart from using some script
  83. # [14:29] <Julian> I feared you'd say that
  84. # [14:33] <anne> There's always server-side includes :)
  85. # [14:36] <Julian> not in this case; this would have been for Javadoc; of course I could do it on generation time, but that would require complicating the generation process
  86. # [14:40] <MikeSmith> Is that really the case? nobody implemented @seamless yet?
  87. # [14:43] <Julian> I checked with an example from
  88. # [14:43] <Julian> (drumroll)
  89. # [14:43] <Julian> w3schools
  90. # [14:43] <Julian> (Safari/Chrome/FF4/Opera11)
  91. # [14:45] <anne> MikeSmith, most interest so far I have seen is from some people at Mozilla, but it was limited to interest
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  93. # [14:46] <MikeSmith> anne: you got any bug numbers?
  94. # [14:46] <Julian> it's one of these things that you really can't start using in content until at least the newest-gen browsers do it
  95. # [14:47] <MikeSmith> Julian: that site will rot your brain
  96. # [14:47] * MikeSmith peruses MDN
  97. # [14:47] <Julian> i know
  98. # [14:47] <Julian> I think it's the first time I actually used it
  99. # [14:48] <Julian> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=80713
  100. # [14:48] <pimpbot> Title: Bug 80713 Need a way to specify an auto-height (size) for an IFRAME such that the frame is given the full height of the contained content (at bugzilla.mozilla.org)
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  102. # [14:49] <Julian> in particular https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=80713#c89
  103. # [14:49] <pimpbot> Title: Bug 80713 Need a way to specify an auto-height (size) for an IFRAME such that the frame is given the full height of the contained content (at bugzilla.mozilla.org)
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  106. # [14:51] * MikeSmith reads the comments from Julian bug links
  107. # [14:52] <MikeSmith> "moz-seamless" attribute on an <iframe>
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  110. # [15:03] <Julian> Mike - couldn't get that to work...
  111. # [15:03] <MikeSmith> hmm
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  114. # [15:12] <MikeSmith> raised a feature request https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=631218
  115. # [15:13] <pimpbot> Title: Bug 631218 implement the HTML5 seamless attribute for the iframe element (at bugzilla.mozilla.org)
  116. # [15:13] <Julian> +1
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  119. # [15:15] * MikeSmith finds https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45950
  120. # [15:15] <pimpbot> Title: Invalid Bug ID (at bugs.webkit.org)
  121. # [15:15] <MikeSmith> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45950#c2
  122. # [15:15] <pimpbot> Title: Bug 45950 Implement HTML5's seamless attribute for iframes (at bugs.webkit.org)
  123. # [15:16] <MikeSmith> [[
  124. # [15:16] <MikeSmith> In our product we make an extensive use of iframes for DOM fragmentation purposes.
  125. # [15:16] <MikeSmith> All of them are loading the same local page and share several CSS stylesheets.
  126. # [15:16] <MikeSmith> Having the possibility to inherit stylesheets from a single parent page, instead of loading them everytime an iframe is created, would greatly increase our product performances and simplify the loading process.
  127. # [15:16] <MikeSmith> ]]
  128. # [15:43] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11960] Consider making the global scope pollution by names/ids quirks-only <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0114.html>
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  134. # [17:59] <pimpbot> planet: Tantek: BREAKING: W3C HTML WG rejects #HTML5 "distributed extensibility" http://j.mp/defail #xml #namespaces longurl: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Feb/0085.html <http://tantek.com/2011/034/t2/w3c-html-wg-rejects-distributed-extensibility>
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  140. # [18:04] <paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2011JanMar/0010.html
  141. # [18:04] <pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2011-02-03: Issues, surveys from Maciej Stachowiak on 2011-02-03 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from January to March 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
  142. # [18:04] <paulc> scribenick: paulc
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  144. # [18:04] <MikeSmith> Zakim, code?
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  148. # [18:05] <mjs> hi all
  149. # [18:05] <MikeSmith> trackbot, start meeting
  150. # [18:05] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference
  151. # [18:05] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  152. # [18:05] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
  153. # [18:05] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
  154. # [18:05] <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
  155. # [18:05] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  156. # [18:05] <trackbot> Date: 03 February 2011
  157. # [18:05] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
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  159. # [18:05] <Zakim> +??P10
  160. # [18:05] <paulc> chair: mjs
  161. # [18:05] <MikeSmith> Zakim, ??P10 is me
  162. # [18:05] <Zakim> +MikeSmith; got it
  163. # [18:05] <paulc> Zakim, who is on the call?
  164. # [18:05] <Zakim> On the phone I see Radhika_Roy, [Microsoft.a], MikeSmith
  165. # [18:05] <Zakim> +mjs
  166. # [18:06] <paulc> Zakim, [Microsoft.a] has paulc
  167. # [18:06] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
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  169. # [18:06] <eliot> zakim, microsoft is me
  170. # [18:06] <Zakim> +??P28
  171. # [18:06] <Zakim> +paulc; got it
  172. # [18:06] <Zakim> +eliot; got it
  173. # [18:06] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  174. # [18:06] <Zakim> +Julian
  175. # [18:06] <Zakim> +Sam
  176. # [18:06] <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft] has adrianba, krisk
  177. # [18:06] <Zakim> +adrianba, krisk; got it
  178. # [18:06] <MikeSmith> Zakim, ??P28 is janina
  179. # [18:06] <Zakim> +janina; got it
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  181. # [18:08] <paulc> zakim, who is on the call?
  182. # [18:08] <Zakim> On the phone I see Radhika_Roy, [Microsoft.a], MikeSmith, mjs, eliot, Eric_Carlson, janina, [Microsoft], Julian, Sam
  183. # [18:08] <Zakim> [Microsoft.a] has paulc
  184. # [18:08] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has adrianba, krisk
  185. # [18:08] <MikeSmith> Zakim, mute me
  186. # [18:08] <Zakim> MikeSmith should now be muted
  187. # [18:08] <MikeSmith> :)
  188. # [18:08] <paulc> I just muted since I am sometimes the problem of the noise especially when I am scribing.
  189. # [18:09] <paulc> Agenda 1: Action items
  190. # [18:09] * janina You need something other than the case microphone!
  191. # [18:09] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Feb/0085.html
  192. # [18:09] <pimpbot> Title: Working Group Decision on ISSUE-41 Decentralized extensibility from Sam Ruby on 2011-02-03 (public-html@w3.org from February 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
  193. # [18:09] <paulc> ACTION-201?
  194. # [18:09] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-201
  195. # [18:09] <trackbot> ACTION-201 -- Sam Ruby to report on progress in rendering a WG decision on ISSUE-41 -- due 2011-02-03 -- OPEN
  196. # [18:09] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/201
  197. # [18:09] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-201: Report on progress in rendering a WG decision on ISSUE-41 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
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  199. # [18:09] <paulc> close ACTION-201
  200. # [18:09] * trackbot attempting to close ACTION-201.
  201. # [18:09] <trackbot> ACTION-201 Report on progress in rendering a WG decision on ISSUE-41 closed
  202. # [18:10] <paulc> Agenda 2: New issues this week
  203. # [18:10] <paulc> None this week.
  204. # [18:10] <paulc> Agenda 3: items closed last week
  205. # [18:10] <paulc> ISSUE-138?
  206. # [18:10] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-138
  207. # [18:10] <trackbot> ISSUE-138 -- "mutate action" for issueing a GET request is misleading -- closed
  208. # [18:10] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/138
  209. # [18:10] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-138: "mutate action" for issueing a GET request is misleading - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  210. # [18:11] <paulc> The CfC closed on Jan 25 and there was consensus for amicable closure.
  211. # [18:11] <paulc> ISSUE-119?
  212. # [18:11] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-119
  213. # [18:11] <trackbot> ISSUE-119 -- Certain relationships take on a special meaning when repeated; other solutions may be cleaner -- open
  214. # [18:11] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/119
  215. # [18:11] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-119: Certain relationships take on a special meaning when repeated; other solutions may be cleaner - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  216. # [18:12] <paulc> There was an objection and the chairs have clarified the next steps.
  217. # [18:12] <paulc> ISSUE-125?
  218. # [18:12] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-125
  219. # [18:12] <trackbot> ISSUE-125 -- Requirement to break RFC 2616 compliance with respect to single quotes not needed for legacy content -- open
  220. # [18:12] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/125
  221. # [18:12] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-125: Requirement to break RFC 2616 compliance with respect to single quotes not needed for legacy content - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  222. # [18:13] <paulc> Objections were rasied, new change proposal was received and the original proposal will be updated.
  223. # [18:13] <paulc> ISSUE-126?
  224. # [18:13] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-126
  225. # [18:13] <trackbot> ISSUE-126 -- Requirement to break RFC 2616 compliance with respect to backslashes not needed for legacy content -- open
  226. # [18:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/126
  227. # [18:13] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-126: Requirement to break RFC 2616 compliance with respect to backslashes not needed for legacy content - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  228. # [18:13] <paulc> ISSUE-142?
  229. # [18:13] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-142
  230. # [18:13] <trackbot> ISSUE-142 -- No alternative text description for video key frame (poster) -- open
  231. # [18:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/142
  232. # [18:13] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-142: No alternative text description for video key frame (poster) - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  233. # [18:13] <paulc> Change proposals were do Jan 26 and we received 2.
  234. # [18:13] <paulc> ISSUE-144?
  235. # [18:13] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-144
  236. # [18:13] <trackbot> ISSUE-144 -- <u> should be conforming -- raised
  237. # [18:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/144
  238. # [18:13] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-144: should be conforming - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  239. # [18:14] <paulc> We received 1 change proposal by the deadline and the Chairs are working with the author to revise it.
  240. # [18:14] <paulc> ISSUE-145?
  241. # [18:14] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-145
  242. # [18:14] <trackbot> ISSUE-145 -- use of "codecs" parameter -- open
  243. # [18:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/145
  244. # [18:14] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-145: use of "codecs" parameter - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  245. # [18:14] <paulc> We received 2 proposals.
  246. # [18:14] <paulc> ISSUE-146?
  247. # [18:14] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-146
  248. # [18:14] <trackbot> ISSUE-146 -- <video> should allow muted as a content attribute -- open
  249. # [18:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/146
  250. # [18:14] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-146: should allow muted as a content attribute - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  251. # [18:14] <paulc> We received at least one proposal for 146.
  252. # [18:15] <paulc> mjs: any comments or questions?
  253. # [18:15] <paulc> Agenda 4: items closing this week
  254. # [18:15] <paulc> ISSUE-128?
  255. # [18:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-128
  256. # [18:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-128 -- Authors should be able to use <figure> where <img> can be used -- open
  257. # [18:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/128
  258. # [18:15] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-128: Authors should be able to use where can be used - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  259. # [18:15] <paulc> It looks like this issue will be resolved by a decision from the Chairs.
  260. # [18:16] <paulc> Agenda 5: Items closing next week
  261. # [18:16] <paulc> ISSUE-147?
  262. # [18:16] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-147
  263. # [18:16] <trackbot> ISSUE-147 -- playbackrate: undefined behavior when the user agent can't play back at the requested rate -- raised
  264. # [18:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/147
  265. # [18:16] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-147: playbackrate: undefined behavior when the user agent cant play back at the requested rate - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  266. # [18:16] <paulc> Change proposals are due by Feb 6. None have been submitted so far.
  267. # [18:16] <paulc> ISSUE-148?
  268. # [18:16] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-148
  269. # [18:16] <trackbot> ISSUE-148 -- Algorithm for detecting the charset="" parameter -- raised
  270. # [18:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/148
  271. # [18:16] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-148: Algorithm for detecting the charset="" parameter - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  272. # [18:17] <paulc> Change proposals are due Feb 6.
  273. # [18:17] <paulc> ISSUE-149?
  274. # [18:17] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-149
  275. # [18:17] <trackbot> ISSUE-149 -- Use markup compatible with both HTML/XML syntax in examples -- raised
  276. # [18:17] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/149
  277. # [18:17] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-149: Use markup compatible with both HTML/XML syntax in examples - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  278. # [18:17] <paulc> Change proposals are due Feb 6 - none so far.
  279. # [18:17] <paulc> ISSUE-151?
  280. # [18:17] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-151
  281. # [18:17] <trackbot> ISSUE-151 -- Remove WhatWG and html5.org references in status section of document -- open
  282. # [18:17] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/151
  283. # [18:17] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-151: Remove WhatWG and html5.org references in status section of document - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  284. # [18:17] <paulc> Proposals are due Feb 6 and two have been submitted.
  285. # [18:18] <paulc> ISSUE-127?
  286. # [18:18] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-127
  287. # [18:18] <trackbot> ISSUE-127 -- Simplify characterization of link types -- open
  288. # [18:18] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/127
  289. # [18:18] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-127: Simplify characterization of link types - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  290. # [18:18] <paulc> We are looking for counter proposals by F3b 12.
  291. # [18:18] <paulc> ISSUE-130?
  292. # [18:18] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-130
  293. # [18:18] <trackbot> ISSUE-130 -- allow tables to be used for layout purposes -- open
  294. # [18:18] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/130
  295. # [18:18] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-130: allow tables to be used for layout purposes - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  296. # [18:18] <paulc> Counter proposals are Feb 12.
  297. # [18:18] <paulc> ISSUE-150?
  298. # [18:18] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-150
  299. # [18:18] <trackbot> ISSUE-150 -- consider reducing verbosity when talking about code points -- raised
  300. # [18:18] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/150
  301. # [18:18] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-150: consider reducing verbosity when talking about code points - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  302. # [18:19] <paulc> Change proposals are due by Feb 12.
  303. # [18:19] <paulc> Agenda 6: new calls this week
  304. # [18:19] <Julian> q+ to discuss the counter proposal for 145
  305. # [18:19] * Zakim sees Julian on the speaker queue
  306. # [18:20] <paulc> ISSUE-145?
  307. # [18:20] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-145
  308. # [18:20] <trackbot> ISSUE-145 -- use of "codecs" parameter -- open
  309. # [18:20] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/145
  310. # [18:20] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-145: use of "codecs" parameter - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  311. # [18:21] <paulc> Julian: Is concerend that the counter proposal goes further than the original issue.
  312. # [18:21] <Zakim> -Julian
  313. # [18:21] <paulc> mjs: The Chairs will discuss this and propose whether the ISSUE-145 counter proposal is appropriate.
  314. # [18:21] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Jan/0410.html
  315. # [18:21] <pimpbot> Title: Re: ISSUE-145 (codecs-vs-octet): Chairs Solicit Proposals from Julian Reschke on 2011-01-27 (public-html@w3.org from January 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
  316. # [18:21] * Julian phone line gone
  317. # [18:21] <paulc> mjs: Informally I agree.
  318. # [18:22] <paulc> ISSUE-120?
  319. # [18:22] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-120
  320. # [18:22] <trackbot> ISSUE-120 -- Use of prefixes is too complicated for a Web technology -- open
  321. # [18:22] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/120
  322. # [18:22] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-120: Use of prefixes is too complicated for a Web technology - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  323. # [18:22] <rubys> julian: my post asked Philip to open bugs and/or separate issues
  324. # [18:22] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Jan/0415.html
  325. # [18:22] <paulc> Counter proposals are due March 3.
  326. # [18:22] <pimpbot> Title: Re: ISSUE-145 (codecs-vs-octet): Chairs Solicit Proposals from Sam Ruby on 2011-01-27 (public-html@w3.org from January 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
  327. # [18:22] <Zakim> + +49.251.280.aaaa
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  329. # [18:23] <paulc> There are two change proposals for 120.
  330. # [18:23] <paulc> ISSUE-139?
  331. # [18:23] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-139
  332. # [18:23] <trackbot> ISSUE-139 -- HTML5 spec mentions Microdata in Acknowledgements -- open
  333. # [18:23] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/139
  334. # [18:23] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-139: HTML5 spec mentions Microdata in Acknowledgements - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  335. # [18:23] <paulc> There are two change proposals on -139.
  336. # [18:23] <paulc> We are looking for other proposals up to Mar 3.
  337. # [18:23] <paulc> ISSUE-140?
  338. # [18:23] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-140
  339. # [18:23] <trackbot> ISSUE-140 -- clarify the applicability of the term "conforming document" in cases where "applicable specifications" had been used to augment or change the base HTML5 specification -- open
  340. # [18:23] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/140
  341. # [18:24] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-140: clarify the applicability of the term "conforming document" in cases where "applicable specifications" had been used to augment or change the base HTML5 specification - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  342. # [18:24] <paulc> About term "conforming HTML document".
  343. # [18:24] <paulc> There is one proposal available and additional alternative proposals by Mar 3.
  344. # [18:24] <paulc> ISSUE-145
  345. # [18:24] <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
  346. # [18:24] <paulc> ISSUE-145?
  347. # [18:24] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-145
  348. # [18:24] <trackbot> ISSUE-145 -- use of "codecs" parameter -- open
  349. # [18:24] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/145
  350. # [18:24] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-145: use of "codecs" parameter - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  351. # [18:25] <paulc> There are two proposals here. See discussion above.
  352. # [18:25] <paulc> Alternate proposals are due Mar 3.
  353. # [18:26] <paulc> Janina: A11Y TF is interested in knowing how the proposals would expose meta-date.
  354. # [18:26] <Julian> Zakim, +49.251.280.aaaa is me
  355. # [18:26] <Zakim> +Julian; got it
  356. # [18:26] <paulc> ISSUE-142?
  357. # [18:26] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-142
  358. # [18:26] <trackbot> ISSUE-142 -- No alternative text description for video key frame (poster) -- open
  359. # [18:26] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/142
  360. # [18:26] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-142: No alternative text description for video key frame (poster) - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  361. # [18:26] <paulc> Above discussion applies to -142.
  362. # [18:26] <paulc> ISSUE-145?
  363. # [18:26] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-145
  364. # [18:26] <trackbot> ISSUE-145 -- use of "codecs" parameter -- open
  365. # [18:26] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/145
  366. # [18:26] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-145: use of "codecs" parameter - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  367. # [18:26] <paulc> See discussion above at start of this agenda item.
  368. # [18:27] <paulc> Agenda 7: New surveys this week
  369. # [18:27] <paulc> ISSUE-124?
  370. # [18:27] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-124
  371. # [18:27] <trackbot> ISSUE-124 -- nofollow/noreferrer not allowed on <link> -- open
  372. # [18:27] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/124
  373. # [18:27] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-124: nofollow/noreferrer not allowed on - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  374. # [18:27] <paulc> This survey will be posted today.
  375. # [18:28] <paulc> Agenda 8: Task Force reports
  376. # [18:28] <paulc> Testing Task Force
  377. # [18:28] <krisk> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2011Feb/0000.html
  378. # [18:28] <pimpbot> Title: RE: HTML Testing Task Force Conf Call Agenda 1/25/2011 from Kris Krueger on 2011-02-03 (public-html-testsuite@w3.org from February 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
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  380. # [18:28] <paulc> Kris: TF working on bugs on existing test case.
  381. # [18:29] <paulc> Kris: Some discussions are occurring about test setup and harness. The idea is to try to make writing tests easier.
  382. # [18:30] <paulc> Kris: PLH has been making changes to the testing server names but this broke some approved tests. This is being fixed.
  383. # [18:30] <paulc> Kris: We have 821 approved tests.
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  385. # [18:30] <paulc> Kris: We have another 240 submitted tests - some Google audio/video tests that need fixes.
  386. # [18:30] <krisk> The feedback is at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2010Nov/0086.html
  387. # [18:30] <pimpbot> Title: RE: Video/audio submission from Kris Krueger on 2010-11-18 (public-html-testsuite@w3.org from November 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
  388. # [18:31] <paulc> Accessibility Task Force
  389. # [18:31] <paulc> Janina: Not ready to do a review issue-by-issue.
  390. # [18:31] <paulc> Janina: We are closing more than we are opening.
  391. # [18:31] <paulc> Janina: Some impact from ARIA CR process.
  392. # [18:32] <paulc> Janina: Some key people are busy trying to ship products and no all people are available to do TF work.
  393. # [18:32] <paulc> Janina: A good deal of work is being done.
  394. # [18:32] <paulc> Janina: Controls for media may not be progressed.
  395. # [18:33] <paulc> Janina: Syncing two binary resources - how this will be handled is unclear. Syliva is writing a proposal.
  396. # [18:33] <paulc> Janina: Controlling canvas cursor is under discussion.
  397. # [18:34] <paulc> Janina: Question is if the cursor solution might be needed for other technologies like SVG.
  398. # [18:34] <paulc> MJS: We could deal with a more detailed report next week if such a report is available.
  399. # [18:34] <paulc> Agenda 9: Any other business.
  400. # [18:34] <paulc> None.
  401. # [18:35] <paulc> Agenda 10: Chair and Scribe for next week.
  402. # [18:35] * rubys nods
  403. # [18:35] <paulc> Sam will scribe next week.
  404. # [18:35] <paulc> Paul will volunteer to sribe.
  405. # [18:35] * adrianba doesn't mind scribing
  406. # [18:35] <rubys> s/Sam will scribe/Sam will chair/
  407. # [18:35] <paulc> Agenda 11: Adjournment.
  408. # [18:35] <Zakim> -Julian
  409. # [18:35] <Zakim> -Radhika_Roy
  410. # [18:35] <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
  411. # [18:35] <Zakim> -Eric_Carlson
  412. # [18:35] <Zakim> -mjs
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  414. # [18:35] <MikeSmith> Zakim, drop me
  415. # [18:35] <Zakim> MikeSmith is being disconnected
  416. # [18:35] <Zakim> -MikeSmith
  417. # [18:35] <Zakim> -eliot
  418. # [18:35] <Zakim> -janina
  419. # [18:35] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
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  422. # [18:36] <paulc> Adrian and Paul will have a paper, rocks and scissors contest to decide who will scribe.
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  425. # [18:36] <paulc> rrsagent, generate minutes
  426. # [18:36] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/02/03-html-wg-minutes.html paulc
  427. # [18:36] <Zakim> -Sam
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  431. # [18:44] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 8722] focus behaviour should be same for canvas regions as for elements <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0124.html> ** [Bug 10249] Canvas requires a content selection method <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0123.html> ** [Bug 11239] Canvas support accessible caret tracking independent of Focus Ring tracking <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzil
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  434. # [19:09] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
  435. # [19:09] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  436. # [19:09] <Zakim> Attendees were Radhika_Roy, MikeSmith, mjs, Eric_Carlson, paulc, eliot, Julian, Sam, adrianba, krisk, janina, Cynthia_Shelly
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  442. # [19:44] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 7798] I'm missing the height property in TextMetrics <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0126.html> ** [Bug 11342] TextMetrics should include distance from textBaseline to each of the baselines in the text <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0125.html>
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  444. # [20:14] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11972] New: s/HTML elements elements/HTML elements/ <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0130.html> ** [Bug 11971] New: /added, removed, or changed/set, changed, or removed/ <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0129.html> ** [Bug 11960] Consider making the global scope pollution by names/ids quirks-only <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0
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  450. # [21:14] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 11973] HTML Spec confuses character sets with character encodings" (4 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0135.html> ** [Bug 11973] New: HTML Spec confuses character sets with character encodings <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0131.html>
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  452. # [21:44] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: RFC2119ify the "assigned access key" section (whatwg r5818) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Feb/0015.html>
  453. # [21:44] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11393] End tag fails to break out of foreign content <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0140.html> ** "[Bug 11279] the "assigned access key" section doesn't seem to know if it's a definition or a requirement. Should probably be rephrased to more correctly use RFC2119." (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0139.html> ** "[Bug 11973] HTML Spec confus
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  456. # [21:49] <CIA-1> html-spec: [e] (0) RFC2119ify the "assigned access key" section
  457. # [21:49] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11279
  458. # [21:49] <pimpbot> 11279: contributor, P3, RESOLVED FIXED, the "assigned access key" section doesn't seem to know if it's a definition or a requirement. Should probably be rephrased to more correctly use RFC2119.
  459. # [22:00] <pimpbot> planet: Tantek: OH @MozHQ: "Is there a Unicode character for disenfranchised #XML-weenie?" #namespaces #html5. <http://tantek.com/2011/034/t3/unicode-character-disenfranchised-xml-namespaces> ** Julie Choi: Game On Winners: Level Up the Open Web <http://mozillalabs.com/gaming/2011/02/03/game-on-winners/>
  460. # [22:04] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * 5b2b0d666c19 r5818 / (index complete.html source):
  461. # [22:04] <CIA-1> html-spec: [e] (0) typo
  462. # [22:04] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11392
  463. # [22:04] <pimpbot> 11392: glenn, P2, RESOLVED FIXED, 2.6.3. - typo - "will have" should read "has"
  464. # [22:04] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * 1f75bf126a90 r5819 / (index complete.html source):
  465. # [22:04] <CIA-1> html-spec: [e] (0) typo
  466. # [22:04] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11633
  467. # [22:04] <pimpbot> 11633: contributor, P3, RESOLVED FIXED, rm "does" in step 7 "but does the first elevent characters do not exactly equal"
  468. # [22:04] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * 6ae99ab841aa r5820 / (index complete.html source):
  469. # [22:05] <CIA-1> html-spec: [e] (0) typo
  470. # [22:05] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11642
  471. # [22:05] <pimpbot> 11642: contributor, P3, RESOLVED FIXED, copypasta with "the five character string" and odd escape strings
  472. # [22:05] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * 7e42a61ac6b3 r5821 / (index complete.html source):
  473. # [22:05] <CIA-1> html-spec: [e] (0) s/codepoint/code point/ for consistency
  474. # [22:05] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11644
  475. # [22:05] <pimpbot> 11644: contributor, P3, RESOLVED FIXED, There are three occurrences of 'codepoint' without the space.
  476. # [22:14] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: never say 'may not' in a spec, RFC2119 doesn't define that; and never say 'may' in non-normative content, it's just confusing. (whatwg r5823) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Feb/0019.html> ** hixie: s/codepoint/code point/ for consistency (whatwg r5822) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Feb/0018.html> ** hixie: typo (whatwg r5820) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public
  477. # [22:14] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11973] HTML Spec confuses character sets with character encodings <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0156.html> ** "[Bug 11643] step 19: value4 cannot be greater than 999" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0154.html> ** [Bug 11644] There are three occurrences of 'codepoint' without the space. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-b
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  479. # [22:19] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * 0d4ad38db6ae r5822 / (index complete.html source):
  480. # [22:19] <CIA-1> html-spec: [e] (0) never say 'may not' in a spec, RFC2119 doesn't define that; and never say 'may' in non-normative content, it's just confusing.
  481. # [22:19] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11645
  482. # [22:19] <pimpbot> 11645: contributor, P3, RESOLVED FIXED, "may not be useful to everyone" misuses RFC2119 in a note
  483. # [22:19] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * 20ce80fde4d7 r5823 / (index complete.html source):
  484. # [22:19] <CIA-1> html-spec: [e] (0) remove redundant step
  485. # [22:19] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11643
  486. # [22:19] <pimpbot> 11643: contributor, P3, RESOLVED FIXED, step 19: value4 cannot be greater than 999
  487. # [22:19] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * 073bbbbf96bb r5824 / (index complete.html source):
  488. # [22:19] <CIA-1> html-spec: [giow] (0) VTT: copypasta that made the parsing of timestamps fail if they had an hour component.
  489. # [22:19] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11262
  490. # [22:19] <pimpbot> 11262: contributor, P3, RESOLVED FIXED, Is there no U+0000 NULL handling in the Attribute value (single-quoted) state?
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  492. # [22:34] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * b83d8361697b r5825 / (index complete.html source):
  493. # [22:34] <CIA-1> html-spec: [giowt] (1) Parser: omitted to include NULL-handling for ''-quoted strings. Oops.
  494. # [22:34] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11262
  495. # [22:34] <pimpbot> 11262: contributor, P3, RESOLVED FIXED, Is there no U+0000 NULL handling in the Attribute value (single-quoted) state?
  496. # [22:34] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * f969b031ec3f r5826 / (index complete.html source):
  497. # [22:34] <CIA-1> html-spec: [e] (0) move the 'onerror' stuff up to script execution and away from the no-more-related events stuff
  498. # [22:34] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11320
  499. # [22:34] <pimpbot> 11320: contributor, P3, NEW, IE and Gecko also invoke onerror for compile time syntax errors
  500. # [22:45] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: report compile-time errors as well as runtime errors (and a typo fix from an earlier checkin) (whatwg r5828) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Feb/0022.html> ** hixie: move the 'onerror' stuff up to script execution and away from the no-more-related events stuff (whatwg r5827) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Feb/0021.html> ** hixie: Parser: omitted to include NULL-handling for
  501. # [22:45] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 11320] IE and Gecko also invoke onerror for compile time syntax errors" (3 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0169.html> ** [Bug 11960] Consider making the global scope pollution by names/ids quirks-only <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0166.html> ** "[Bug 11262] Is there no U+0000 NULL handling in the Attribute value (single-quoted) state?" (2 m
  502. # [22:49] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * 1d2d01407917 r5827 / (index complete.html source):
  503. # [22:49] <CIA-1> html-spec: [giow] (2) report compile-time errors as well as runtime errors (and a typo fix from an earlier checkin)
  504. # [22:49] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11320
  505. # [22:49] <pimpbot> 11320: contributor, P3, RESOLVED FIXED, IE and Gecko also invoke onerror for compile time syntax errors
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  513. # [23:45] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11342] TextMetrics should include distance from textBaseline to each of the baselines in the text <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0171.html> ** [Bug 11935] There is no mention of <device> in the parsing algorithm. Could you please add it to the list of self-closing tags. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0170.html>
  514. # [23:49] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * ee2d41993062 r5828 / (index complete.html source):
  515. # [23:49] <CIA-1> html-spec: [e] (0) add a note about <device> parsing
  516. # [23:49] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11935
  517. # [23:49] <pimpbot> 11935: contributor, P3, NEW, There is no mention of <device> in the parsing algorithm. Could you please add it to the list of self-closing tags.
  518. # Session Close: Fri Feb 04 00:00:00 2011

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