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  13. # [01:18] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * ac72b0097488 r5897 / (index complete.html source): [e] (0) typo
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  15. # [01:35] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: typo (whatwg r5898) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Feb/0109.html>
  16. # [01:35] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12072] Comments before <!DOCTYPE html> should be forbidden <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0737.html>
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  19. # [02:03] <CIA-1> html-spec: [giow] (1) Make it so moving a video around the DOM doesn't pause it. Also make innerHTML work for <video> elements.
  20. # [02:03] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11068
  21. # [02:03] <pimpbot> 11068: contributor, P3, RESOLVED FIXED, We should not pause() if the element is removed from a document and then reinserted in the same task, since otherwise that could cause stuttering when moving a video from one frame to another, and would break autoplay when used with innerHTML.
  22. # [02:05] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Make it so moving a video around the DOM doesn't pause it. Also make innerHTML work for <video> elements. (whatwg r5899) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Feb/0110.html>
  23. # [02:05] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12094] Switch from relying on DOM Level 3 Core to Web DOM Core <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0743.html> ** [Bug 12091] HTMLdocument named-item getter and object fallback <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0742.html> ** "[Bug 11068] We should not pause() if the element is removed from a document and then reinserted in the same task, since otherwise that could cause
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  26. # [02:35] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12101] New: "Structured clone" can be passed an object with a hostile getter that returns an object identical to itself; "structured clone" does not prevent such an infinite regression. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0747.html> ** "[Bug 12099] Input type=url: value range" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0746.html> ** [Bug 12096] Firefox us
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  32. # [02:47] <pimpbot> planet: Chris Pearce: Firefox 4 video decoder architecture <http://blog.pearce.org.nz/2011/02/firefox-4-video-decoder-architecture.html> ** Mike Marchak: Google Plugin for Eclipse and GWT 2.2 now available <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/blogspot/Dcni/~3/FnTz3DSmS_I/google-plugin-for-eclipse-and-gwt-22.html>
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  36. # [03:05] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11666] The value sanitisation algorithm should be clear that it sets the value property to the sanitized form. This is explicit in several cases but implicit in several cases. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0750.html> ** [Bug 12091] HTMLdocument named-item getter and object fallback <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0749.html> ** [Bug 12094] Switch from relying on
  37. # [03:19] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * d923aa0fbd24 r5899 / (index complete.html source):
  38. # [03:19] <CIA-1> html-spec: [giow] (2) Make the initial state of selections and cursors platform-specific.
  39. # [03:19] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11483
  40. # [03:19] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * 46dae0ce1e75 r5900 / (index complete.html source): [e] (0) typo
  41. # [03:19] <pimpbot> 11483: contributor, P3, RESOLVED FIXED, What should selectionStart/End return when there is no selection and no cursor? e.g. display:none
  42. # [03:19] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * ad9ddf101fb2 r5901 / (index complete.html source):
  43. # [03:19] <CIA-1> html-spec: [c] (0) Define that <button value=''> (empty) is ok.
  44. # [03:19] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11499
  45. # [03:19] <pimpbot> 11499: mike, P2, RESOLVED FIXED, make clear whether value attribute on input[type='button'] element can be empty
  46. # [03:19] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * b096de225e9b r5902 / (index complete.html source):
  47. # [03:19] <CIA-1> html-spec: [giowt] (0) The best representation of something should really be a valid one too.
  48. # [03:19] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11706
  49. # [03:19] <pimpbot> 11706: contributor, P3, RESOLVED FIXED, Why -00:00 instead of +00:00 when time zone is UTC?
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  53. # [03:33] <CIA-1> html-spec: [giow] (2) mention /favicon.ico
  54. # [03:33] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11815
  55. # [03:33] <pimpbot> 11815: contributor, P3, RESOLVED FIXED, should add something about /favicon.ico too
  56. # [03:35] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: mention /favicon.ico (whatwg r5904) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Feb/0115.html> ** hixie: The best representation of something should really be a valid one too. (whatwg r5903) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Feb/0114.html> ** hixie: Define that <button value=''> (empty) is ok. (whatwg r5902) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Feb/0113.html>
  57. # [03:35] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12103] New: currently no browser supports seamless attribute on iframes, frameborder and scrolling should not cause validation errors in HTML5. They should be allowed but not recommended possibly. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0759.html> ** "[Bug 11815] should add something about /favicon.ico too" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0758.html>
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  148. # [07:36] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12072] Comments before <!DOCTYPE html> should be forbidden <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0761.html>
  149. # [08:06] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12100] UAs do not actually convert DOMStrings to sequences of Unicode characters. Test case: data:text/html,<!doctype html><script>document.documentElement.title = "\ud800"; alert(document.documentElement.title.charCodeAt(0));</script> Expected 65533, got 5529 <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0762.html>
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  151. # [09:37] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9429] Unobsolete the <strike> element - instead suggest how to use it <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0763.html>
  152. # [10:07] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12104] Typo: will will <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0766.html> ** [Bug 12104] New: Type: will will <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0765.html> ** [Bug 11483] What should selectionStart/End return when there is no selection and no cursor? e.g. display:none <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0764.html>
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  161. # [10:37] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11706] Why -00:00 instead of +00:00 when time zone is UTC? <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0767.html>
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  163. # [10:49] <pimpbot> planet: clarista: Bonjour WoMoz : Dare 2B Digital <http://bonjourmozilla.fr/?post/2011/02/17/Bonjour-WoMoz-%3A-Dare-2B-Digital>
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  168. # [11:37] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12106] New: 1. <quote> <!DOCTYPE HTML> </quote> Is this declaration part of an html document? Or is this part of a Document Type Definition (DTD)? Where are DTDs for html documents defined? 2. <title> Resource metadata management </title> <quote> A Document is always <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0768.html>
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  176. # [12:38] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12029] Define a process for "particularly exceptional circumstances" <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0770.html> ** [Bug 11984] Simplify <video> for implementors and authors by ignoring the Content-Type HTTP header <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0769.html>
  177. # [13:08] <pimpbot> changes: sam: ISSUE-144 (conforming-u): Call for revisions <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Feb/0116.html>
  178. # [13:08] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11984] Simplify <video> for implementors and authors by ignoring the Content-Type HTTP header <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0773.html> ** [Bug 12107] New: mp3 not supported <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0772.html> ** [Bug 12072] Comments before <!DOCTYPE html> should be forbidden <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0771.html>
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  183. # [13:38] <pimpbot> changes: sam: Wrong month <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Feb/0118.html> ** sam: Change status for issue 130 <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Feb/0117.html>
  184. # [13:38] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12107] mp3 not supported <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0775.html> ** "[Bug 11984] Simplify <video> for implementors and authors by ignoring the Content-Type HTTP header" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0774.html>
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  188. # [14:38] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 12107] mp3 not supported" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0776.html>
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  190. # [14:50] <pimpbot> planet: Bruce: Snakeoil, local government, accessibility and HTML5 <http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/2011/snakeoil-local-government-accessibility-and-html5/>
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  194. # [15:08] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12029] Define a process for "particularly exceptional circumstances" <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0777.html>
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  197. # [15:38] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11984] Simplify <video> for implementors and authors by ignoring the Content-Type HTTP header <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0778.html>
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  206. # [16:08] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12110] New: The margin note shows no support but at least IE 8 and Firefox 3.6 support dropzone=link for an image. So does Chrome 9, which also supports dropzone=move (when the origin has editable content). <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0779.html>
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  222. # [18:02] <rubys> trackbot, start meeting
  223. # [18:02] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference
  224. # [18:02] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  225. # [18:02] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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  227. # [18:02] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
  228. # [18:02] <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
  229. # [18:02] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  230. # [18:02] <trackbot> Date: 17 February 2011
  231. # [18:02] <rubys> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2011JanMar/0014.html
  232. # [18:02] <pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2011-02-17: Issues, handling of features, task force reports from Maciej Stachowiak on 2011-02-17 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from January to March 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
  233. # [18:02] <rubys> scribenick: rubys
  234. # [18:03] <rubys> Chair: Maciej Stachowiak
  235. # [18:04] <Zakim> +Sam
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  237. # [18:05] <Julian> Zakim, who's on the phone?
  238. # [18:05] <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.251.280.aaaa, Sam
  239. # [18:05] <mjs> hi all
  240. # [18:05] <Julian> Zakim, +1.251.280.aaaa is me
  241. # [18:05] <Zakim> +Julian; got it
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  243. # [18:06] <mjs> dialing now
  244. # [18:07] <Zakim> + +1.415.595.aabb
  245. # [18:07] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
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  249. # [18:07] <mjs> Zakim, +1.415.595.aabb is me
  250. # [18:07] <Zakim> +mjs; got it
  251. # [18:07] <krisk> Zakim, Microsoft is krisk
  252. # [18:07] <Zakim> +krisk; got it
  253. # [18:08] <Zakim> +Oliver
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  257. # [18:09] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 11984] Simplify <video> for implementors and authors by ignoring the Content-Type HTTP header" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0781.html>
  258. # [18:09] <Zakim> + +1.206.850.aacc
  259. # [18:10] <eliot> zakim, +1.206.850.aacc is me
  260. # [18:10] <Zakim> +eliot; got it
  261. # [18:11] <rubys> Topic: ACTION items due by Thursday, February 17
  262. # [18:11] * plh zakim, call plh-work
  263. # [18:11] * Zakim ok, plh; the call is being made
  264. # [18:11] <Zakim> +Plh
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  266. # [18:11] <rubys> mjs: none
  267. # [18:11] <rubys> Topic: New Issues This Week
  268. # [18:11] <rubys> mjs: none
  269. # [18:11] <rubys> Topic: Items Closed Last Week
  270. # [18:11] <rubys> ISSUE-127?
  271. # [18:11] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-127
  272. # [18:11] <trackbot> ISSUE-127 -- Simplify characterization of link types -- open
  273. # [18:11] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/127
  274. # [18:11] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-127: Simplify characterization of link types - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  275. # [18:12] <rubys> mjs: closed on Feb 12
  276. # [18:12] <rubys> ISSUE-130?
  277. # [18:12] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-130
  278. # [18:12] <trackbot> ISSUE-130 -- allow tables to be used for layout purposes -- open
  279. # [18:12] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/130
  280. # [18:12] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-130: allow tables to be used for layout purposes - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  281. # [18:12] <rubys> mjs: also closed Feb 12
  282. # [18:12] <rubys> ISSUE-150?
  283. # [18:12] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-150
  284. # [18:12] <trackbot> ISSUE-150 -- consider reducing verbosity when talking about code points -- open
  285. # [18:12] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/150
  286. # [18:12] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-150: consider reducing verbosity when talking about code points - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  287. # [18:12] <rubys> mjs: closed Feb 12
  288. # [18:12] <rubys> Topic: Items Closing This Week
  289. # [18:13] <rubys> ISSUE-122?
  290. # [18:13] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-122
  291. # [18:13] <trackbot> ISSUE-122 -- alt text and description for Lady of Shalott example -- open
  292. # [18:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/122
  293. # [18:13] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-122: alt text and description for Lady of Shalott example - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  294. # [18:13] <Zakim> + +1.215.286.aadd
  295. # [18:13] <rubys> mjs: we did get some revised change proposals
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  297. # [18:13] <rubys> mjs: we are seeing if they can be reconciled
  298. # [18:13] <rubys> ISSUE-129?
  299. # [18:13] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-129
  300. # [18:13] <trackbot> ISSUE-129 -- replace or modify the ARIA section of the HTML5 spec -- open
  301. # [18:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/129
  302. # [18:13] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-129: replace or modify the ARIA section of the HTML5 spec - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  303. # [18:13] <rubys> mjs: poll closes today
  304. # [18:14] <Zakim> + +1.206.922.aaee
  305. # [18:14] <rubys> Topic: Items Closing Next Week
  306. # [18:14] <rubys> ISSUE-131?
  307. # [18:14] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-131
  308. # [18:14] <trackbot> ISSUE-131 -- Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? -- raised
  309. # [18:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131
  310. # [18:14] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-131: Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  311. # [18:14] <adrianba> zakim, aaee is me
  312. # [18:14] <Zakim> +adrianba; got it
  313. # [18:14] <rubys> mjs: CP due Feb 21
  314. # [18:14] <rubys> ISSUE-152?
  315. # [18:14] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-152
  316. # [18:14] <trackbot> ISSUE-152 -- Handling of additional tracks of a multitrack audio/video resource -- raised
  317. # [18:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/152
  318. # [18:14] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-152: Handling of additional tracks of a multitrack audio/video resource - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  319. # [18:14] <rubys> mjs: also due Feb 21
  320. # [18:14] <rubys> ISSUE-155?
  321. # [18:14] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-155
  322. # [18:14] <trackbot> ISSUE-155 -- make <table border="1" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0"> conforming -- open
  323. # [18:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/155
  324. # [18:14] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-155: make conforming - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  325. # [18:14] <rubys> ISSUE-156?
  326. # [18:14] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-156
  327. # [18:14] <trackbot> ISSUE-156 -- Permit closing tag for new, void elements - for legacy compatibility = XHTML alignment -- raised
  328. # [18:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/156
  329. # [18:14] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-156: Permit closing tag for new, void elements - for legacy compatibility = XHTML alignment - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  330. # [18:15] <rubys> mjs: change proposals due Feb 21 on these items
  331. # [18:15] <Zakim> -Julian
  332. # [18:15] <rubys> mjs: there has been a suggestion to move Issue-152 to be a last call issue. No decision has been made. We continue to seek change proposals.
  333. # [18:15] <rubys> ISSUE-157?
  334. # [18:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-157
  335. # [18:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-157 -- A comprehensive, semantic image map specification -- raised
  336. # [18:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/157
  337. # [18:15] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-157: A comprehensive, semantic image map specification - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  338. # [18:16] <rubys> ISSUE-158?
  339. # [18:16] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-158
  340. # [18:16] <trackbot> ISSUE-158 -- HTML4's content-model for <object> should continue -- raised
  341. # [18:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/158
  342. # [18:16] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-158: HTML4s content-model for should continue - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  343. # [18:16] <rubys> ISSUE-160?
  344. # [18:16] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-160
  345. # [18:16] <trackbot> ISSUE-160 -- Remove restriction on command element as part of a menu -- raised
  346. # [18:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/160
  347. # [18:16] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-160: Remove restriction on command element as part of a menu - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  348. # [18:16] <Zakim> +Julian
  349. # [18:16] <rubys> ISSUE-161?
  350. # [18:16] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-161
  351. # [18:16] <trackbot> ISSUE-161 -- Create document defining mappings from html elements to platform accessibility apis -- raised
  352. # [18:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/161
  353. # [18:16] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-161: Create document defining mappings from html elements to platform accessibility apis - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  354. # [18:16] <rubys> mjs: change proposals are due on these four on Feb 23rd
  355. # [18:16] <rubys> mjs: this should complete the set of pre-last call issues
  356. # [18:17] <rubys> Topic: New Calls this week
  357. # [18:17] <rubys> ISSUE-144?
  358. # [18:17] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-144
  359. # [18:17] <trackbot> ISSUE-144 -- <u> should be conforming -- open
  360. # [18:17] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/144
  361. # [18:17] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-144: should be conforming - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  362. # [18:17] <rubys> mjs: we've asked for revised change proposals no later than Feb 24
  363. # [18:17] <rubys> ... the CP we received was unclear (had two proposals) and one part is out of scope
  364. # [18:18] <rubys> ... if we don't receive an acceptable revision, we will move to close without prejudice
  365. # [18:18] <rubys> Topic: New Surveys this week
  366. # [18:18] <rubys> mjs: none
  367. # [18:18] <rubys> Topic: Decisions this week
  368. # [18:18] <rubys> mjs: none
  369. # [18:18] <rubys> Topic: Task Force Reports
  370. # [18:18] <rubys> mjs: Testing Task Force?
  371. # [18:19] <J_Voracek> regrets
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  373. # [18:19] <rubys> krisk: February turning out to be a busy most, 40+ posts to the list
  374. # [18:19] <rubys> s/most/month/
  375. # [18:19] <rubys> krisk: we met as planned; the schedule seems to work for everyone and will continue through August
  376. # [18:19] <rubys> krisk: we asked for some feedback on some attribute tests
  377. # [18:20] <rubys> mjs: thanks for that update
  378. # [18:20] <rubys> mjs: Accessibility Task Force
  379. # [18:20] <rubys> rubys: I have word that the A11y TF meeting is running over
  380. # [18:20] <rubys> mjs: perhaps we can come back to this item at the end
  381. # [18:20] <rubys> Topic: Other Business
  382. # [18:21] <rubys> mjs: Media element content-type handling
  383. # [18:21] <rubys> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11984
  384. # [18:21] <pimpbot> 11984: contributor, P3, REOPENED, Simplify <video> for implementors and authors by ignoring the Content-Type HTTP header
  385. # [18:22] <rubys> mjs: it was controversial and there is disagreement with the implementers, so for now we have REOPENED the bug
  386. # [18:22] <rubys> mjs: it may be an example where we ask for a revert
  387. # [18:22] <rubys> mjs: this bug can continue as an issue during the last call
  388. # [18:22] <rubys> mjs: any questions or comments?
  389. # [18:22] <Julian> q+
  390. # [18:22] * Zakim sees Julian on the speaker queue
  391. # [18:23] <rubys> ack next
  392. # [18:23] * Zakim sees Julian at the head of the speaker queue
  393. # [18:23] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  394. # [18:23] <rubys> julian: when will you decide on whether or not you are asking for a revert
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  396. # [18:23] <rubys> mjs: for now, it is just a suggestion; we will decide in a couple of days at most
  397. # [18:24] <rubys> mjs: any other questions or comments?
  398. # [18:24] <rubys> mjs: Handling of feature additions to HTML5
  399. # [18:24] <rubys> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12029
  400. # [18:24] <pimpbot> 12029: rubys, P2, NEW, Define a process for "particularly exceptional circumstances"
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  402. # [18:25] <rubys> mjs: one of the precipitating changes was the addition of atob and btoa to the spec
  403. # [18:25] <rubys> mjs: this was added without discussion in the working group
  404. # [18:26] <rubys> mjs: as we advance to maturity models, changes impeded our progress. The WG can chose to do so, but should not be done without notice to the group and a fair opportunity for dicussion
  405. # [18:26] <rubys> mjs: I put in some text in the bug with our expectations
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  408. # [18:26] <rubys> mjs: sam has since then responded
  409. # [18:27] <rubys> mjs: any questions or comments?
  410. # [18:28] <plh> is the a11y call still running?
  411. # [18:28] <Zakim> -krisk
  412. # [18:29] <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
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  414. # [18:29] <rubys> Topic: Accessibility Task Force
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  416. # [18:30] <Zakim> +??P5
  417. # [18:30] <plh> zakim, ??p5 is Janina
  418. # [18:30] <Zakim> +Janina; got it
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  420. # [18:31] <Zakim> -Julian
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  422. # [18:31] <MikeSmith> Zakim, code?
  423. # [18:31] <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), MikeSmith
  424. # [18:31] <rubys> janina: the meeting went long, people were upset that longdesc would not be considered immediately
  425. # [18:31] <Zakim> +Julian
  426. # [18:31] <Zakim> +??P8
  427. # [18:32] <MikeSmith> Zakim, ??P8 is me
  428. # [18:32] <Zakim> +MikeSmith; got it
  429. # [18:32] <rubys> janina: the expectations are now clearer: all new issues will be treated as last call issues.
  430. # [18:33] <rubys> janina: we have some new action items on ARIA
  431. # [18:33] <rubys> janina: the media group is going to make sure that we have a stake in the ground by next week on how to handle binary
  432. # [18:33] <rubys> janina: we seem to have diversified into 8 different approaches, some are similar, some are divergent
  433. # [18:34] <rubys> janina: this spans multiple lists; this is probably good in that it means that we will get a robust solution, but is an issue with respect to the timeline
  434. # [18:34] <rubys> janina: my expectation is that this will be a useful development for the spec; we will meet the timeline and will likely submit counter proposals
  435. # [18:35] <rubys> janina: it is not just A11y that needs to have this handled; i18n also cares very much
  436. # [18:35] <rubys> janina: that's all I have to add today
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  438. # [18:35] <rubys> mjs: there are two issues of notable interest with deadlines looming....
  439. # [18:36] <rubys> issue-152?
  440. # [18:36] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-152
  441. # [18:36] <trackbot> ISSUE-152 -- Handling of additional tracks of a multitrack audio/video resource -- raised
  442. # [18:36] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/152
  443. # [18:36] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-152: Handling of additional tracks of a multitrack audio/video resource - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  444. # [18:36] <rubys> issue-161?
  445. # [18:36] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-161
  446. # [18:36] <trackbot> ISSUE-161 -- Create document defining mappings from html elements to platform accessibility apis -- raised
  447. # [18:36] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/161
  448. # [18:36] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-161: Create document defining mappings from html elements to platform accessibility apis - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  449. # [18:36] <rubys> both are due Feb 23
  450. # [18:36] <mjs> issue-131?
  451. # [18:36] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-131
  452. # [18:36] <trackbot> ISSUE-131 -- Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? -- raised
  453. # [18:36] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131
  454. # [18:36] <rubys> s/both/mjs: both/
  455. # [18:36] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-131: Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  456. # [18:37] <rubys> janina: I will follow up with Rich
  457. # [18:37] <Julian> other other business: reminder that ISSUE-124 was supposed to get a survey two weeks ago
  458. # [18:37] <rubys> mjs: that about covers it
  459. # [18:37] <rubys> mjs: any volunteers to scribe?
  460. # [18:37] <rubys> janina: advance regrets, I will not be attending the next two weeks
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  462. # [18:38] <rubys> mjs: It would be best to name somebody to give A11y updates in two weeks
  463. # [18:38] <rubys> janina: Mike can help
  464. # [18:38] <Zakim> -mjs
  465. # [18:38] <Zakim> -Plh
  466. # [18:38] <Zakim> - +1.215.286.aadd
  467. # [18:38] <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
  468. # [18:38] <rubys> mjs: hopefully we can find somebody to scribe at next week's call
  469. # [18:38] <Zakim> -Oliver
  470. # [18:38] <Zakim> -Janina
  471. # [18:38] <Zakim> -Julian
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  473. # [18:38] <Zakim> -adrianba
  474. # [18:38] <Zakim> -eliot
  475. # [18:38] <Zakim> -MikeSmith
  476. # [18:38] <MikeSmith> yeah, I can do the a11y TF update on this call 2 weeks from now
  477. # [18:38] <rubys> rrsagent: publish minutes
  478. # [18:38] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/02/17-html-wg-minutes.html rubys
  479. # [18:39] <Zakim> -Sam
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  481. # [18:39] <Zakim> Attendees were Sam, Julian, mjs, krisk, Oliver, eliot, Plh, +1.215.286.aadd, +1.206.922.aaee, adrianba, Cynthia_Shelly, Janina, MikeSmith
  482. # [18:39] <oedipus> regrets+ Gregory_Rosmaita
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  489. # [19:09] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12072] Comments before <!DOCTYPE html> should be forbidden <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Feb/0782.html>
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