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  6. # [00:29] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10066] replace section 3.2.6 with the alternative spec text provided (ARIA) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0059.html> ** [Bug 12226] New: incorrect example in section 1.9.2 syntax errors <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0058.html>
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  9. # [00:59] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12227] New: The readyState check in the "potentially playing" definition should not be used to influence GC of media elements <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0062.html> ** [Bug 12062] UTF-8 BOM should not be forbidden in Polyglot Markup <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0061.html> ** [Bug 10152] [polyglot] i18n comment 5 : Mention lang and xml:lang <http://lists
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  13. # [01:29] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12222] Drop rel=external. It doesn't do anything anywhere. Pages that use it mostly use it as a scripting hook to inject target=_blank to get around validation. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0066.html> ** [Bug 12221] Should Structured Clone preserve property descriptors? <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0065.html> ** [Bug 12220] Make sure rules for parsing a flo
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  17. # [01:59] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 12228] All Media Elements should have the ability to have both short and longer textual descriptions associated to the element." (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0073.html> ** [Bug 12228] New: All Media Elements should have the ability to have both short and longer textual descriptions associated to the element. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0
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  24. # [02:40] <pimpbot> planet: Jesse Ruderman: 2011-03-02 Trunk builds <http://www.squarefree.com/burningedge/2011/03/02/2011-03-02-trunk-builds/>
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  28. # [03:00] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12062] UTF-8 BOM should not be forbidden in Polyglot Markup <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0074.html>
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  32. # [03:30] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12062] UTF-8 BOM should not be forbidden in Polyglot Markup <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0076.html> ** [Bug 10152] [polyglot] i18n comment 5 : Mention lang and xml:lang <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0075.html>
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  34. # [04:00] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12228] All Media Elements should have the ability to have both short and longer textual descriptions associated to the element. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0077.html>
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  65. # [07:41] <pimpbot> planet: A Googler: Press Start: launching Google Game Developer Central <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/blogspot/Dcni/~3/aqZScUUDvWw/press-start-launching-google-game.html>
  66. # [08:01] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12227] The readyState check in the "potentially playing" definition should not be used to influence GC of media elements <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0078.html>
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  74. # [08:41] <pimpbot> planet: Susan Taing: Press Start: launching Google Game Developer Central <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/blogspot/Dcni/~3/aqZScUUDvWw/press-start-launching-google-game.html>
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  82. # [09:01] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12217] Suggestion: Allow other 'Content-Type's to result from javascript: scheme URI dereferencing <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0079.html>
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  88. # [10:01] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12228] All Media Elements should have the ability to have both short and longer textual descriptions associated to the element. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0080.html>
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  107. # [11:39] <hsivonen> Julian: it would be *really* nice if you could refrain raising issues like http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/issue-125-objection-poll/results that require others to spend their time objecting to change proposals that propose changing something that's now interoperable across all the major browsers
  108. # [11:39] <pimpbot> Title: Results of Questionnaire ISSUE-125: Requirement to break RFC 2616 compliance - Straw Poll for Objections - Web-Based Straw-poll and Balloting System (at www.w3.org)
  109. # [11:41] <Julian> Henri, when the issue was raised, it was in conflict with IE8. I can't change what was a fact back then. It would also help if the spec didn't claim things that simply are BS.
  110. # [11:43] <hsivonen> Julian: I'd be OK with Hixie wordsmithing the non-normative rationale text, but even that wouldn't merit an WG ISSUE.
  111. # [11:43] <Julian> you get issues escalated when you reject bug reports for no good reasons
  112. # [11:44] <hsivonen> Julian: if WG participants can't avoid escalating editorial tweaks, I think the Process needs to be fixed so to prevent their escalation
  113. # [11:45] <hsivonen> but having to tweak the Process because participants don't exercise self-control in escalation, sucks too
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  115. # [13:02] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12062] UTF-8 BOM should not be forbidden in Polyglot Markup <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0081.html>
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  117. # [13:32] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10475] HTMLMediaElement.frameDropped <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0082.html>
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  131. # [15:43] <pimpbot> planet: Ali Pasha: Press Start: launching Google Game Developer Central <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/blogspot/Dcni/~3/aqZScUUDvWw/press-start-launching-google-game.html>
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  133. # [16:03] <pimpbot> changes: sam: Updated change proposal for issue 140 <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Mar/0017.html>
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  135. # [16:43] <pimpbot> planet: Robert: Wanted: Native JS Encryption <http://robert.accettura.com/blog/2011/03/03/wanted-native-js-encryption/> ** Qt Labs: Briefly about upcoming QtWebKit releases <http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/03/03/briefly-about-upcoming-qtwebkit-releases/> ** Mike Marchak: Press Start: launching Google Game Developer Central <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/blogspot/Dcni/~3/aqZScUUDvWw/press-start-launching-google-game.html>
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  140. # [17:03] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12230] New: From this algorithm it does not seem to follow that dispatching a synthetic non-canceled submit event at a form causes it to be submitted. Yet that is what browsers implement. So that forms have a default handler for submit events should probably be split <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0083.html>
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  156. # [18:02] <rubys> trackbot, start meeting
  157. # [18:02] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference
  158. # [18:02] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  159. # [18:02] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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  161. # [18:02] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
  162. # [18:02] <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
  163. # [18:02] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  164. # [18:02] <trackbot> Date: 03 March 2011
  165. # [18:03] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  166. # [18:03] <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft] has adrianba
  167. # [18:03] <Zakim> +adrianba; got it
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  169. # [18:03] <adrianba> ScribeNick: adrianba
  170. # [18:03] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10693] Need a means for navigating between related timed tracks of media elements <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0084.html>
  171. # [18:03] <adrianba> Scribe: Adrian Bateman
  172. # [18:03] <adrianba> Chair: Sam Ruby
  173. # [18:03] <adrianba> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2011JanMar/0018.html
  174. # [18:03] <pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2011-03-03: Issues, Decisions, Task Force Reports, and Other Business from Sam Ruby on 2011-03-02 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from January to March 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
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  178. # [18:04] <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft] has adrianba, krisk
  179. # [18:04] <Zakim> adrianba was already listed in [Microsoft], adrianba
  180. # [18:04] <Zakim> +krisk; got it
  181. # [18:04] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  182. # [18:04] <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft.a] has paulc
  183. # [18:04] <Zakim> +paulc; got it
  184. # [18:04] <Zakim> +Sam
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  187. # [18:06] <adrianba> TOPIC: ACTION items due by Thursday, March 3
  188. # [18:06] <MikeSmith> Zakim, code?
  189. # [18:06] <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), MikeSmith
  190. # [18:06] <adrianba> rubys: there are none
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  192. # [18:06] <adrianba> TOPIC: New Issues This Week
  193. # [18:06] <adrianba> rubys: again, there are none
  194. # [18:06] <adrianba> TOPIC: Items Closed Last Week
  195. # [18:06] <Zakim> +??P18
  196. # [18:07] <adrianba> ISSUE-157?
  197. # [18:07] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-157
  198. # [18:07] <trackbot> ISSUE-157 -- A comprehensive, semantic image map specification -- closed
  199. # [18:07] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/157
  200. # [18:07] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-157: A comprehensive, semantic image map specification - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  201. # [18:07] <adrianba> ISSUE-158?
  202. # [18:07] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-158
  203. # [18:07] <trackbot> ISSUE-158 -- HTML4's content-model for <object> should continue -- closed
  204. # [18:07] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/158
  205. # [18:07] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-158: HTML4s content-model for should continue - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  206. # [18:07] <MikeSmith> Zakim, ??P18 is me
  207. # [18:07] <Zakim> +MikeSmith; got it
  208. # [18:07] <adrianba> ISSUE-160?
  209. # [18:07] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-160
  210. # [18:07] <trackbot> ISSUE-160 -- Remove restriction on command element as part of a menu -- closed
  211. # [18:07] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/160
  212. # [18:07] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-160: Remove restriction on command element as part of a menu - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  213. # [18:07] <adrianba> rubys: all three were closed without prejudice due to lack of proposals
  214. # [18:07] <adrianba> ISSUE-161?
  215. # [18:07] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-161
  216. # [18:07] <trackbot> ISSUE-161 -- Create document defining mappings from html elements to platform accessibility apis -- open
  217. # [18:07] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/161
  218. # [18:07] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-161: Create document defining mappings from html elements to platform accessibility apis - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  219. # [18:07] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.aa]
  220. # [18:07] <adrianba> ISSUE-144?
  221. # [18:07] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-144
  222. # [18:07] <trackbot> ISSUE-144 -- <u> should be conforming -- open
  223. # [18:07] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/144
  224. # [18:07] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-144: should be conforming - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  225. # [18:07] <eliot> zakim, microsoft.aa is me
  226. # [18:07] <Zakim> +eliot; got it
  227. # [18:07] <adrianba> rubys: we have a proposal for these and the calls for alternative proposals went out for both
  228. # [18:08] <adrianba> ISSUE-124?
  229. # [18:08] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-124
  230. # [18:08] <trackbot> ISSUE-124 -- nofollow/noreferrer not allowed on <link> -- open
  231. # [18:08] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/124
  232. # [18:08] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-124: nofollow/noreferrer not allowed on - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  233. # [18:08] <adrianba> ISSUE-130?
  234. # [18:08] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-130
  235. # [18:08] <trackbot> ISSUE-130 -- allow tables to be used for layout purposes -- open
  236. # [18:08] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/130
  237. # [18:08] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-130: allow tables to be used for layout purposes - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  238. # [18:08] <adrianba> rubys: two straw polls closed last week on these issues
  239. # [18:08] <adrianba> TOPIC: Items Closing This Week
  240. # [18:08] <adrianba> rubys: five items closing today
  241. # [18:08] <adrianba> ISSUE-9?
  242. # [18:08] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-9
  243. # [18:08] <trackbot> ISSUE-9 -- how accessibility works for <video> is unclear -- open
  244. # [18:08] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/9
  245. # [18:08] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-9: how accessibility works for is unclear - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  246. # [18:09] <adrianba> rubys: call for consensus - some discussion the mailing list but no objections raised yet
  247. # [18:09] <adrianba> rubys: next, some where we have calls for counter proposals
  248. # [18:09] <adrianba> ISSUE-120?
  249. # [18:09] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-120
  250. # [18:09] <trackbot> ISSUE-120 -- Use of prefixes is too complicated for a Web technology -- open
  251. # [18:09] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/120
  252. # [18:09] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-120: Use of prefixes is too complicated for a Web technology - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  253. # [18:09] <adrianba> rubys: do have a counter proposal for this
  254. # [18:09] <adrianba> ISSUE-139?
  255. # [18:09] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-139
  256. # [18:09] <trackbot> ISSUE-139 -- HTML5 spec mentions Microdata in Acknowledgements -- open
  257. # [18:09] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/139
  258. # [18:09] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-139: HTML5 spec mentions Microdata in Acknowledgements - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  259. # [18:10] <adrianba> rubys: again, we have a proposal and a counter proposal
  260. # [18:10] <adrianba> ISSUE-140?
  261. # [18:10] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-140
  262. # [18:10] <trackbot> ISSUE-140 -- clarify the applicability of the term "conforming document" in cases where "applicable specifications" had been used to augment or change the base HTML5 specification -- open
  263. # [18:10] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/140
  264. # [18:10] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-140: clarify the applicability of the term "conforming document" in cases where "applicable specifications" had been used to augment or change the base HTML5 specification - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  265. # [18:10] <adrianba> rubys: again, we have a proposal and a counter proposal
  266. # [18:10] <adrianba> ISSUE-142?
  267. # [18:10] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-142
  268. # [18:10] <trackbot> ISSUE-142 -- No alternative text description for video key frame (poster) -- open
  269. # [18:10] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/142
  270. # [18:10] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-142: No alternative text description for video key frame (poster) - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  271. # [18:10] <adrianba> rubys: again, we've got both
  272. # [18:10] <adrianba> ... the only one that may have any action this week is ISSUE-9 if there are no objections raised
  273. # [18:10] <adrianba> TOPIC: Items Closing Next Week
  274. # [18:10] <adrianba> ISSUE-135?
  275. # [18:10] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-135
  276. # [18:10] <trackbot> ISSUE-135 -- put back direct link to the W3C version of the canvas 2d context spec -- open
  277. # [18:10] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/135
  278. # [18:10] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-135: put back direct link to the W3C version of the canvas 2d context spec - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
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  280. # [18:11] <adrianba> rubys: we have until the 10th to get alternate proposals
  281. # [18:11] <adrianba> ISSUE-146?
  282. # [18:11] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-146
  283. # [18:11] <trackbot> ISSUE-146 -- <video> should allow muted as a content attribute -- open
  284. # [18:11] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/146
  285. # [18:11] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-146: should allow muted as a content attribute - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  286. # [18:11] <adrianba> ISSUE-147?
  287. # [18:11] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-147
  288. # [18:11] <trackbot> ISSUE-147 -- playbackrate: undefined behavior when the user agent can't play back at the requested rate -- open
  289. # [18:11] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/147
  290. # [18:11] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-147: playbackrate: undefined behavior when the user agent cant play back at the requested rate - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  291. # [18:11] <adrianba> ISSUE-148?
  292. # [18:11] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-148
  293. # [18:11] <trackbot> ISSUE-148 -- Algorithm for detecting the charset="" parameter -- open
  294. # [18:11] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/148
  295. # [18:11] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-148: Algorithm for detecting the charset="" parameter - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  296. # [18:11] <adrianba> rubys: none of these have counter proposals yet - we have another week on these
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  298. # [18:12] <adrianba> TOPIC: New Calls this week
  299. # [18:12] <Zakim> +[Apple]
  300. # [18:12] <adrianba> ISSUE-119?
  301. # [18:12] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-119
  302. # [18:12] <trackbot> ISSUE-119 -- Certain relationships take on a special meaning when repeated; other solutions may be cleaner -- open
  303. # [18:12] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/119
  304. # [18:12] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-119: Certain relationships take on a special meaning when repeated; other solutions may be cleaner - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  305. # [18:12] * dsinger zakim, [apple] has dsinger
  306. # [18:12] * Zakim +dsinger; got it
  307. # [18:12] <adrianba> rubys: call for consensus due mar 7
  308. # [18:12] <adrianba> ... see no objections yet
  309. # [18:12] <adrianba> TOPIC: New Surveys this week
  310. # [18:12] <adrianba> ISSUE-126?
  311. # [18:12] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-126
  312. # [18:12] <trackbot> ISSUE-126 -- Requirement to break RFC 2616 compliance with respect to backslashes not needed for legacy content -- open
  313. # [18:12] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/126
  314. # [18:12] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-126: Requirement to break RFC 2616 compliance with respect to backslashes not needed for legacy content - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  315. # [18:12] <adrianba> rubys: survey is to be complete by mar 10
  316. # [18:13] <adrianba> ... by request we extended ISSUE-125 survey to have the same date
  317. # [18:13] <adrianba> ISSUE-125?
  318. # [18:13] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-125
  319. # [18:13] <trackbot> ISSUE-125 -- Requirement to break RFC 2616 compliance with respect to single quotes not needed for legacy content -- open
  320. # [18:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/125
  321. # [18:13] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-125: Requirement to break RFC 2616 compliance with respect to single quotes not needed for legacy content - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  322. # [18:13] <adrianba> TOPIC: Decisions this week
  323. # [18:13] <adrianba> ISSUE-118?
  324. # [18:13] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-118
  325. # [18:13] <trackbot> ISSUE-118 -- Specification breaks semantics of existing link relations "index" and "first" -- closed
  326. # [18:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/118
  327. # [18:13] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-118: Specification breaks semantics of existing link relations "index" and "first" - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  328. # [18:13] <adrianba> rubys: decision was posted and the changes have been made
  329. # [18:13] <adrianba> ISSUE-129?
  330. # [18:13] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-129
  331. # [18:13] <trackbot> ISSUE-129 -- replace or modify the ARIA section of the HTML5 spec -- open
  332. # [18:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/129
  333. # [18:13] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-129: replace or modify the ARIA section of the HTML5 spec - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  334. # [18:14] <adrianba> rubys: decision has been posted, ian asked for some clarifications and steven kindly provided those clarifications
  335. # [18:14] <adrianba> TOPIC: Task Force Reports - Testing Task Force
  336. # [18:14] <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
  337. # [18:14] <adrianba> krisk: we met as planned on 22nd
  338. # [18:14] <adrianba> ... meet again this tuesday
  339. # [18:15] <adrianba> ... group has consensus to update some of the google audio/video tests that they had submitted but hadn't reported back on
  340. # [18:15] <adrianba> ... update is just to add a third parameter to addEventListener
  341. # [18:15] <adrianba> ... simon from opera gave some good feedback on those tests, i gave feedback as well
  342. # [18:15] <adrianba> ... set a date of mar 22 to have those all approved pending the needed fixes
  343. # [18:16] <adrianba> ... other than that, plh and other folks at w3c updated the wiki - thanks for that
  344. # [18:16] <adrianba> ... that's it about now
  345. # [18:16] <adrianba> ... lots of good participation in feb and mar off to a good start as well
  346. # [18:16] <adrianba> rubys: questions or comments?
  347. # [18:16] <adrianba> TOPIC: Task Force Reports - Accessibility Task Force
  348. # [18:17] <MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/2011/03/03-html-a11y-minutes.html
  349. # [18:17] <adrianba> mike: janina is away so i'll give the summary this week
  350. # [18:17] <pimpbot> Title: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference -- 03 Mar 2011 (at www.w3.org)
  351. # [18:17] <adrianba> ... not much to report but i'll put in the minutes
  352. # [18:17] <adrianba> ...we had paul on the call to answer questions about reopening of issue-30
  353. # [18:17] <adrianba> issue-30?
  354. # [18:17] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-30
  355. # [18:17] <trackbot> ISSUE-30 -- Should HTML 5 include a longdesc attribute for images -- open
  356. # [18:17] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/30
  357. # [18:17] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-30: Should HTML 5 include a longdesc attribute for images - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  358. # [18:18] <adrianba> ... paul clarified some queries - it is reopened but comments will be processed in may after LC
  359. # [18:18] <adrianba> ... sam already mentioned issue-129
  360. # [18:18] <adrianba> ... as far as TF is concerned there is nothing we need to do on either of these before LC
  361. # [18:18] <adrianba> ... the thing with some urgency is canvas
  362. # [18:18] <adrianba> ... but this is blocked on getting some time from implementers to give feedback
  363. # [18:19] <adrianba> ... rich is aware that we won't be able to get much done before mar 22
  364. # [18:19] <adrianba> ... so some of these dicusssions will need to take place in LC
  365. # [18:19] <adrianba> ... we're planning a f2f after CSUN in san diego
  366. # [18:19] <adrianba> ... focus is to get the media discussions moved along
  367. # [18:19] <adrianba> ... silvia and eric and others will be there
  368. # [18:19] <adrianba> ... nothing else that the WG is waiting for that the TF hasn't yet reported on
  369. # [18:20] <adrianba> rubys: any questions for mike?
  370. # [18:20] <adrianba> TOPIC: Other Business
  371. # [18:20] <adrianba> ISSUE-30?
  372. # [18:20] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-30
  373. # [18:20] <trackbot> ISSUE-30 -- Should HTML 5 include a longdesc attribute for images -- open
  374. # [18:20] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/30
  375. # [18:20] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-30: Should HTML 5 include a longdesc attribute for images - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  376. # [18:20] <Zakim> +Oliver
  377. # [18:20] <adrianba> rubys: as mentioned this was reopened and formal objection has been removed
  378. # [18:20] <mark> Mark just called in
  379. # [18:21] <adrianba> rubys: bug 11984 - chairs asked for revert which was done promptly
  380. # [18:21] <pimpbot> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11984 contributor, P3, REOPENED, Simplify <video> for implementors and authors by ignoring the Content-Type HTTP header
  381. # [18:21] <adrianba> ... still discussing
  382. # [18:21] <adrianba> ... we also provided an extension for issue 145
  383. # [18:21] <adrianba> ... the new date is now mar 22
  384. # [18:21] <adrianba> ISSUE-145?
  385. # [18:21] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-145
  386. # [18:21] <trackbot> ISSUE-145 -- use of "codecs" parameter -- open
  387. # [18:21] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/145
  388. # [18:21] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-145: use of "codecs" parameter - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  389. # [18:22] <adrianba> rubys: is there any other business people would like to bring up?
  390. # [18:22] <adrianba> ... none
  391. # [18:22] <adrianba> TOPIC: Scribe for next meeting
  392. # [18:22] <adrianba> paul: i believe i'm chairing next week
  393. # [18:22] <adrianba> rubys: if we don't have any volunteers i will volunteer to scribe
  394. # [18:22] <adrianba> TOPIC: Adjournment
  395. # [18:22] <Zakim> -[Apple]
  396. # [18:22] <Zakim> -Oliver
  397. # [18:22] <Zakim> -mjs
  398. # [18:22] <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
  399. # [18:22] <adrianba> rubys: thanks everybody
  400. # [18:22] <Zakim> -eliot
  401. # [18:22] <paulc> Thank you, Sam.
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  404. # [18:23] <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
  405. # [18:23] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  406. # [18:23] <Zakim> -Sam
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  408. # [18:23] <adrianba> zakim, bye
  409. # [18:23] <Zakim> leaving. As of this point the attendees were Michael_Cooper, adrianba, krisk, [Microsoft], paulc, Sam, mjs, MikeSmith, eliot, dsinger, Cynthia_Shelly, Oliver
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  413. # [18:23] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/03-html-wg-minutes.html adrianba
  414. # [18:23] <adrianba> rrsagent, make logs public
  415. # [18:23] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, adrianba
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  428. # [20:04] <pimpbot> changes: eliot: Two small changes to satisfy tweaks per bug 12062 <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Mar/0018.html>
  429. # [20:04] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12227] The readyState check in the "potentially playing" definition should not be used to influence GC of media elements <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0086.html> ** [Bug 12062] UTF-8 BOM should not be forbidden in Polyglot Markup <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0085.html>
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  442. # [21:34] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12232] New: Progress element should be shown vertically when height>width <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0089.html> ** [Bug 12231] typo: distingushing; this typo also appears in MIMESNIFF <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0088.html> ** [Bug 12231] New: typo: distingushing; this typo also appears in MIMESNIFF <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugz
  443. # [21:44] <pimpbot> planet: Ali Pasha: Press Start: launching Google Game Developer Central <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/blogspot/Dcni/~3/aqZScUUDvWw/press-start-launching-google-game.html>
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  453. # [23:35] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11984] Simplify <video> for implementors and authors by ignoring the Content-Type HTTP header <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0095.html> ** [Bug 10693] Need a means for navigating between related timed tracks of media elements <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0094.html> ** [Bug 9452] Handling of additional tracks of a multitrack audio/video resource <http://lis
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