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  9. # [01:16] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11839] window.opener needs to be writable, not readonly (as it is in Gecko, Chrome, IE) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0399.html> ** [Bug 12277] Need to check whether browsers follow this (or are willing to), and if so, spec it: http://hacks.mozilla.org/2011/03/history-api-changes-in-firefox-4/ <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0398.html> ** [Bug 12277] New: Need
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  12. # [01:46] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12278] New: [polyglot] i18n: Make lang and xml:lang required on the root element. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0400.html>
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  16. # [02:16] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 8657] Allow UA to reload fallback content if it fails to load" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0403.html> ** [Bug 10152] [polyglot] i18n comment 5 : Mention lang and xml:lang <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0401.html>
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  24. # [03:17] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12278] [polyglot] i18n: Make lang and xml:lang required on the root element. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0405.html> ** [Bug 12279] New: [polyglot] Add section on http-equiv and HTTP <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0404.html>
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  29. # [03:47] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11839] window.opener needs to be writable, not readonly (as it is in Gecko, Chrome, IE) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0406.html>
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  51. # [08:48] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11637] Disallow abusing the Decision Policy by escalating editorial bugs <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0408.html>
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  84. # [14:50] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12282] New: If the given browsing context name is _parent, then the chosen browsing context must be the parent browsing context of the current one, unless there isn't one, in which case the chosen browsing context must be the current browsing context. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0410.html>
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  89. # [15:20] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12283] New: No indication of parsing error <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0411.html>
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  99. # [16:50] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12284] New: How about call the new standard "HML". Then my "C" program won't have to check for a '4 or 3' character word. we will already know the word is 3 characters. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0412.html>
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  108. # [17:20] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12267] Make video state transitions happen in the same task as firing events <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0413.html>
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  111. # [17:50] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 8659] Media events to indicate captions and audio descriptions <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0415.html> ** "[Bug 12267] Make video state transitions happen in the same task as firing events" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0414.html>
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  114. # [18:03] * dsinger zakim, who is here?
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  117. # [18:03] <rubys> trackbot, start meeting
  118. # [18:03] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference
  119. # [18:03] * dsinger not zakim, it seems!
  120. # [18:03] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  121. # [18:03] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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  123. # [18:03] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
  124. # [18:03] <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
  125. # [18:03] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  126. # [18:03] <trackbot> Date: 10 March 2011
  127. # [18:03] * dsinger zakim, mute dsinger
  128. # [18:03] * Zakim sorry, dsinger, muting is not permitted when only one person is present
  129. # [18:03] <rubys> chair: paulc
  130. # [18:03] <rubys> scribenick: rubys
  131. # [18:03] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  132. # [18:04] * plh zakim, call plh-work
  133. # [18:04] * Zakim ok, plh; the call is being made
  134. # [18:04] <Zakim> +Plh
  135. # [18:04] <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
  136. # [18:04] <Zakim> +paulc; got it
  137. # [18:04] <rubys> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2011JanMar/0021.html
  138. # [18:04] <pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2011-03-10: Action items, issues, surveys and decisions from Paul Cotton on 2011-03-08 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from January to March 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
  139. # [18:04] * plh zakim, who is on the phone?
  140. # [18:04] * Zakim sees on the phone: dsinger, [Microsoft], Plh
  141. # [18:04] * Zakim [Microsoft] has paulc
  142. # [18:04] <Zakim> +Sam
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  144. # [18:04] * dsinger zakim, mute dsinger
  145. # [18:04] * Zakim dsinger should now be muted
  146. # [18:05] <Zakim> + +49.251.280.aaaa
  147. # [18:05] <Julian> Zakim, +49.251.280.aaaa is me
  148. # [18:05] <Zakim> +Julian; got it
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  150. # [18:05] <paulc> Julian: What time zone are you in?
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  160. # [18:07] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
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  167. # [18:09] <janina> zakim, code?
  168. # [18:09] <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), janina
  169. # [18:09] <Julian> paulc, indeed UTC+0100
  170. # [18:09] <paulc> To participants in Europe: Please be aware that North America goes on Daylight Savings (move the clocks forward one hour) on Sun Mar 13
  171. # [18:09] <rubys> topic: ACTION items due by Thursday, March 10
  172. # [18:09] <Zakim> + +1.206.922.aabb
  173. # [18:09] <rubys> action-193?
  174. # [18:09] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-193
  175. # [18:09] <trackbot> ACTION-193 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to and co-chairs to investigate how to handle standardization of websrt -- due 2011-03-10 -- OPEN
  176. # [18:09] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/193
  177. # [18:09] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-193: And co-chairs to investigate how to handle standardization of websrt - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  178. # [18:10] <Zakim> +??P29
  179. # [18:10] <adrianba> zakim, aabb is me
  180. # [18:10] <Zakim> +adrianba; got it
  181. # [18:10] <rubys> plh: my intention was to talk to the VPAC committee within the FCC, that was done yesterday (briefly)
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  185. # [18:10] <rubys> plh: we expressed a concern that their actions would cause multiple formats on the web
  186. # [18:11] <rubys> plh: they intend to meet again in two weeks, but it will likely take 2-3 months to resolve
  187. # [18:11] <rubys> paulc: I suggest we move the action out a month
  188. # [18:11] <rubys> action-193 due april 14
  189. # [18:11] * trackbot attempting to change due date on ACTION-193.
  190. # [18:11] <trackbot> ACTION-193 And co-chairs to investigate how to handle standardization of websrt due date now april 14
  191. # [18:11] <rubys> topic: New Issues This Week
  192. # [18:11] <rubys> issue-163?
  193. # [18:11] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-163
  194. # [18:11] <trackbot> ISSUE-163 -- Need a means for navigating between related timed tracks of media elements -- raised
  195. # [18:11] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/163
  196. # [18:11] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-163: Need a means for navigating between related timed tracks of media elements - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  197. # [18:12] <rubys> paulc: this is a last call issue
  198. # [18:12] <rubys> paulc: will not be pushing this any sooner than the may timeframe
  199. # [18:12] <rubys> topic: Items Closed Last Week
  200. # [18:12] <rubys> issue-9?
  201. # [18:12] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-9
  202. # [18:12] <trackbot> ISSUE-9 -- how accessibility works for <video> is unclear -- closed
  203. # [18:12] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/9
  204. # [18:12] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-9: how accessibility works for is unclear - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  205. # [18:13] <rubys> paulc: closed by amicable consensus without any cascading effect on the related bugs
  206. # [18:13] <rubys> issue-120?
  207. # [18:13] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-120
  208. # [18:13] <trackbot> ISSUE-120 -- Use of prefixes is too complicated for a Web technology -- open
  209. # [18:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/120
  210. # [18:13] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-120: Use of prefixes is too complicated for a Web technology - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  211. # [18:13] <rubys> paulc: we now have two proposals, and the chairs are expecting to issue a survey today
  212. # [18:13] <rubys> issue-139?
  213. # [18:13] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-139
  214. # [18:13] <trackbot> ISSUE-139 -- HTML5 spec mentions Microdata in Acknowledgements -- open
  215. # [18:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/139
  216. # [18:13] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-139: HTML5 spec mentions Microdata in Acknowledgements - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  217. # [18:13] <rubys> paulc: exactly the same status
  218. # [18:14] <rubys> issue-140?
  219. # [18:14] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-140
  220. # [18:14] <trackbot> ISSUE-140 -- clarify the applicability of the term "conforming document" in cases where "applicable specifications" had been used to augment or change the base HTML5 specification -- open
  221. # [18:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/140
  222. # [18:14] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-140: clarify the applicability of the term "conforming document" in cases where "applicable specifications" had been used to augment or change the base HTML5 specification - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  223. # [18:14] <rubys> paulc: two proposals, also going to a survey today
  224. # [18:14] <rubys> issue-142?
  225. # [18:14] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-142
  226. # [18:14] <trackbot> ISSUE-142 -- No alternative text description for video key frame (poster) -- open
  227. # [18:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/142
  228. # [18:14] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-142: No alternative text description for video key frame (poster) - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  229. # [18:14] <rubys> paulc: again two proposals, and again we are expecting to issue a survey today
  230. # [18:15] <rubys> ISSUE-119?
  231. # [18:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-119
  232. # [18:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-119 -- Certain relationships take on a special meaning when repeated; other solutions may be cleaner -- closed
  233. # [18:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/119
  234. # [18:15] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-119: Certain relationships take on a special meaning when repeated; other solutions may be cleaner - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  235. # [18:15] <rubys> paulc: this issue was closed by amicable consensus
  236. # [18:15] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Mar/0187.html
  237. # [18:15] <pimpbot> Title: Re: ISSUE-119 rel-repetition: Call for Consensus to close by amicable resolution from Sam Ruby on 2011-03-08 (public-html@w3.org from March 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
  238. # [18:15] <rubys> topic: Items Closing This Week
  239. # [18:15] <rubys> paulc: we have 8 items, many closing today
  240. # [18:15] <Julian> q+ to say ISSUE-125 / ISSUE-126: these are polls for objections, not calls for consensus
  241. # [18:15] * Zakim sees Julian on the speaker queue
  242. # [18:15] <rubys> issue-125?
  243. # [18:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-125
  244. # [18:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-125 -- Requirement to break RFC 2616 compliance with respect to single quotes not needed for legacy content -- open
  245. # [18:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/125
  246. # [18:15] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-125: Requirement to break RFC 2616 compliance with respect to single quotes not needed for legacy content - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  247. # [18:15] <rubys> paulc: call for consensus closes today, midnight boston time
  248. # [18:16] <rubys> issue-126?
  249. # [18:16] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-126
  250. # [18:16] <trackbot> ISSUE-126 -- Requirement to break RFC 2616 compliance with respect to backslashes not needed for legacy content -- open
  251. # [18:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/126
  252. # [18:16] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-126: Requirement to break RFC 2616 compliance with respect to backslashes not needed for legacy content - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  253. # [18:16] <rubys> paulc: survey also closes today
  254. # [18:16] <Julian> q-
  255. # [18:16] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  256. # [18:16] <rubys> issue-135?
  257. # [18:16] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-135
  258. # [18:16] <trackbot> ISSUE-135 -- put back direct link to the W3C version of the canvas 2d context spec -- open
  259. # [18:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/135
  260. # [18:16] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-135: put back direct link to the W3C version of the canvas 2d context spec - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  261. # [18:16] <rubys> paulc: call for alt or counter proposals closes today
  262. # [18:16] <rubys> issue-146?
  263. # [18:16] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-146
  264. # [18:16] <trackbot> ISSUE-146 -- <video> should allow muted as a content attribute -- open
  265. # [18:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/146
  266. # [18:16] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-146: should allow muted as a content attribute - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  267. # [18:16] <rubys> paulc: call for alt or counter proposals closes today
  268. # [18:16] <rubys> issue-147?
  269. # [18:16] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-147
  270. # [18:16] <trackbot> ISSUE-147 -- playbackrate: undefined behavior when the user agent can't play back at the requested rate -- open
  271. # [18:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/147
  272. # [18:16] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-147: playbackrate: undefined behavior when the user agent cant play back at the requested rate - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  273. # [18:16] <rubys> paulc: call for alt or counter proposals closes today
  274. # [18:16] <rubys> issue-148?
  275. # [18:16] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-148
  276. # [18:16] <trackbot> ISSUE-148 -- Algorithm for detecting the charset="" parameter -- open
  277. # [18:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/148
  278. # [18:16] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-148: Algorithm for detecting the charset="" parameter - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  279. # [18:16] <rubys> paulc: again, call for alt or counter proposals closes today
  280. # [18:17] <rubys> issue-56?
  281. # [18:17] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-56
  282. # [18:17] <trackbot> ISSUE-56 -- Bring "URLs" section/definition and IRI specification in alignment. -- open
  283. # [18:17] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/56
  284. # [18:17] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-56: Bring "URLs" section/definition and IRI specification in alignment. - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  285. # [18:17] <Julian> q+
  286. # [18:17] * Zakim sees Julian on the speaker queue
  287. # [18:17] <rubys> paulc: call for consensus closes tomorrow
  288. # [18:17] <rubys> issue-127?
  289. # [18:17] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-127
  290. # [18:17] <trackbot> ISSUE-127 -- Simplify characterization of link types -- open
  291. # [18:17] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/127
  292. # [18:17] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-127: Simplify characterization of link types - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  293. # [18:17] <plh> q?
  294. # [18:17] * Zakim sees Julian on the speaker queue
  295. # [18:17] <rubys> paulc: call for counter proposals closes tomorrow
  296. # [18:17] <rubys> ack next
  297. # [18:17] * Zakim sees Julian at the head of the speaker queue
  298. # [18:17] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  299. # [18:17] * plh zakim, who is making noise?
  300. # [18:17] * Zakim plh, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: 12 (4%), eliot (14%)
  301. # [18:18] <paulc> ack julian
  302. # [18:18] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
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  304. # [18:18] <rubys> julian: a number of these are listed as call for consensus in the agenda when they are actually in the poll state
  305. # [18:19] <rubys> paulc: the agenda is incorrect; 125, 126, 127, and 56 has surveys that close on the dates indicated
  306. # [18:19] * plh zakim, who is on the phone?
  307. # [18:19] * Zakim sees on the phone: dsinger (muted), [Microsoft], Plh, Sam, Julian, Cynthia_Shelly, Radhika_Roy, MikeSmith, eliot, Laura_Carlson, adrianba, ??P29
  308. # [18:19] * Zakim [Microsoft] has paulc
  309. # [18:19] <rubys> topic: Items Closing Next Week
  310. # [18:19] <rubys> paulc: none
  311. # [18:19] <rubys> topic: New Calls this week
  312. # [18:19] <rubys> paulc: none
  313. # [18:20] <rubys> topic: New Surveys this week
  314. # [18:20] <rubys> paulc: the chairs intend to issue 4 surveys today that close midnight march 17th
  315. # [18:20] <rubys> issue-120?
  316. # [18:20] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-120
  317. # [18:20] <trackbot> ISSUE-120 -- Use of prefixes is too complicated for a Web technology -- open
  318. # [18:20] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/120
  319. # [18:20] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-120: Use of prefixes is too complicated for a Web technology - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  320. # [18:20] <rubys> issue-139?
  321. # [18:20] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-139
  322. # [18:20] <trackbot> ISSUE-139 -- HTML5 spec mentions Microdata in Acknowledgements -- open
  323. # [18:20] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/139
  324. # [18:20] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-139: HTML5 spec mentions Microdata in Acknowledgements - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
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  326. # [18:20] <rubys> issue-140?
  327. # [18:20] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-140
  328. # [18:20] <trackbot> ISSUE-140 -- clarify the applicability of the term "conforming document" in cases where "applicable specifications" had been used to augment or change the base HTML5 specification -- open
  329. # [18:20] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/140
  330. # [18:20] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-140: clarify the applicability of the term "conforming document" in cases where "applicable specifications" had been used to augment or change the base HTML5 specification - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  331. # [18:20] <rubys> issue-142?
  332. # [18:20] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-142
  333. # [18:20] <trackbot> ISSUE-142 -- No alternative text description for video key frame (poster) -- open
  334. # [18:20] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/142
  335. # [18:20] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-142: No alternative text description for video key frame (poster) - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  336. # [18:20] <rubys> topic: Decisions this week
  337. # [18:20] <rubys> issue-109?
  338. # [18:20] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-109
  339. # [18:20] <trackbot> ISSUE-109 -- change ARIA section title and add extra text about use of ARIA -- open
  340. # [18:20] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/109
  341. # [18:20] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-109: change ARIA section title and add extra text about use of ARIA - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  342. # [18:20] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12284] How about call the new standard "HML". Then my "C" program won't have to check for a '4 or 3' character word. we will already know the word is 3 characters. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0416.html>
  343. # [18:21] <rubys> paulc: published decisions on this item
  344. # [18:21] <rubys> paulc: the chairs intend to publish decisions later today on issues 92 and 130
  345. # [18:21] <Zakim> -MikeSmith
  346. # [18:22] <rubys> paulc: the chairs have several other draft decisions in preparation, you should see more by mid next-week
  347. # [18:22] <rubys> topic: Other Business
  348. # [18:22] <rubys> issue-128?
  349. # [18:22] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-128
  350. # [18:22] <trackbot> ISSUE-128 -- Authors should be able to use <figure> where <img> can be used -- open
  351. # [18:22] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/128
  352. # [18:22] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-128: Authors should be able to use where can be used - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  353. # [18:22] <rubys> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11486#c5
  354. # [18:22] <pimpbot> 11486: contributor, P4, RESOLVED FIXED, Remove rel=archives in favor of rel=index. They are extremely similar and not that useful to have separately.
  355. # [18:22] <rubys> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/link-relations/current/msg00175.html
  356. # [18:22] <pimpbot> Title: Re: [link-relations] NEW RELATION REQUEST: Relation name: "archives" (at www.ietf.org)
  357. # [18:22] <Zakim> +??P13
  358. # [18:23] <rubys> julian: the decision for 128 was for removing a certain set of link relations
  359. # [18:23] <MikeSmith> Zakim, ??P13 is me
  360. # [18:23] <Zakim> +MikeSmith; got it
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  363. # [18:23] <rubys> julian: the editor removed one additional rel, for archives; the feedback in the bug was to not remove it
  364. # [18:24] <Julian> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11486#c5
  365. # [18:24] <pimpbot> 11486: contributor, P4, RESOLVED FIXED, Remove rel=archives in favor of rel=index. They are extremely similar and not that useful to have separately.
  366. # [18:24] <rubys> julian: this link relation was previously documented in the IANA registry, once the WG draft is next published, this rel will be dangling
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  368. # [18:24] <rubys> s/rel will be/reference will be/
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  370. # [18:24] <paulc> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11486
  371. # [18:24] <pimpbot> 11486: contributor, P4, RESOLVED FIXED, Remove rel=archives in favor of rel=index. They are extremely similar and not that useful to have separately.
  372. # [18:25] <Julian> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10589
  373. # [18:25] <pimpbot> 10589: hsivonen, P1, VERIFIED WONTFIX, figure and figcaption shouldn't automatically close p
  374. # [18:25] <Zakim> -dsinger
  375. # [18:25] <rubys> paulc: as is was reported on December 6th, it is a last call bug
  376. # [18:25] <rubys> paulc: if you disagree with this change, request a revert
  377. # [18:26] <rubys> julian: I am not opposed to the resolution, I am unhappy with the way it happened
  378. # [18:26] <rubys> paulc: I want to discourage us from attributing ulterior motives to the editor
  379. # [18:26] <rubys> paulc: if anybody disagrees, they should inform the chairs
  380. # [18:27] <Zakim> +dsinger
  381. # [18:27] <plh> zakim, mute dseinger
  382. # [18:27] <Zakim> sorry, plh, I do not know which phone connection belongs to dseinger
  383. # [18:27] <plh> zakim, mute dsinger
  384. # [18:27] <Zakim> dsinger should now be muted
  385. # [18:27] * dsinger zakim, mute dsinger
  386. # [18:27] * Zakim dsinger was already muted, dsinger
  387. # [18:27] <rubys> julian: I am likely to do exactly that for the impact it has on the reliability of references to the working draft
  388. # [18:28] <rubys> julian: what should the IANA registry link to?
  389. # [18:28] <rubys> paulc: if we had a firm decision to remove it, then it would be appropriate to remove the registration from the registry
  390. # [18:29] <rubys> paulc: I don't know if we would have any dissent; what is important that the WG has an opportunity to debate the outcomes
  391. # [18:29] <rubys> julian: agreed
  392. # [18:30] <rubys> paulc: the editor's decision has a cascading effect, which means that we can request a revert if it moves us further from consensus
  393. # [18:30] <rubys> paulc: I think you (julian) know how to proceed from here?
  394. # [18:30] <rubys> julian: yes
  395. # [18:30] <rubys> topic: Chair and Scribe for next meeting
  396. # [18:30] <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
  397. # [18:30] <adrianba> i volunteer to scribe next week
  398. # [18:30] <rubys> paulc: I will chair again next week
  399. # [18:31] <rubys> topic: Adjournment
  400. # [18:31] <rubys> paulc: we are adjourned
  401. # [18:31] <rubys> rrsagent, generate minutes
  402. # [18:31] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/10-html-wg-minutes.html rubys
  403. # [18:31] <eliot> thank you!
  404. # [18:31] <Zakim> -Julian
  405. # [18:31] <Zakim> -eliot
  406. # [18:31] <Zakim> -??P29
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  408. # [18:31] <Zakim> -Plh
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  410. # [18:31] <Zakim> -adrianba
  411. # [18:31] <Zakim> -Laura_Carlson
  412. # [18:31] <Zakim> -dsinger
  413. # [18:31] <Zakim> -Sam
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  415. # [18:31] <Zakim> -MikeSmith
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  417. # [18:31] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
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  419. # [18:31] <Zakim> -Radhika_Roy
  420. # [18:31] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
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  431. # [18:51] <pimpbot> changes: sam: Decisions on issues 92 and 130 <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Mar/0049.html>
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  454. # [23:22] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 12267] Make video state transitions happen in the same task as firing events" (3 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0423.html>
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  456. # [23:56] <pimpbot> planet: KaiRo: My Probably Last Major SeaMonkey Patch <http://home.kairo.at/blog/2011-03/my_probably_last_major_seamonkey_patch>
  457. # Session Close: Fri Mar 11 00:00:00 2011

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