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- # [00:56] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12365] Add @fullsize to <img> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0747.html>
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- # [01:26] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12371] New: yes it is <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0748.html>
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- # [03:48] <MikeSmith> issue-152?
- # [03:48] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-152
- # [03:48] <trackbot> ISSUE-152 -- Handling of additional tracks of a multitrack audio/video resource -- open
- # [03:48] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/152
- # [03:48] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-152: Handling of additional tracks of a multitrack audio/video resource - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
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- # [10:58] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12367] Suggestion about multiple tracks for best practices section <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0751.html>
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- # [13:57] <pimpbot> changes: sam: Decisions published on issues 126 and 140 <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Mar/0085.html>
- # [13:59] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9178] add definition of "conforming document" <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0754.html> ** [Bug 10806] ignoring escapes is not needed for compatibility with existing content <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0753.html>
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- # [17:04] <rubys1> trackbot, start meeting
- # [17:04] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference
- # [17:04] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
- # [17:04] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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- # [17:04] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
- # [17:04] <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()12:00PM scheduled to start now
- # [17:04] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
- # [17:04] <trackbot> Date: 24 March 2011
- # [17:04] <rubys> chair: mjs
- # [17:04] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has now started
- # [17:04] <rubys> scribenick: rubys
- # [17:05] <Zakim> +Julian
- # [17:05] <rubys> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2011JanMar/0027.html
- # [17:05] <pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2011-03-24: Issues, surveys, decisions from Maciej Stachowiak on 2011-03-23 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from January to March 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
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- # [17:06] <MikeSmith> zakim, code?
- # [17:06] <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), MikeSmith
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- # [17:10] <mjs> hi all
- # [17:10] * rubys waves and is ready to scribe
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- # [17:11] * mjs is waiting for his mail client to cough up the agend
- # [17:11] <Zakim> +??P22
- # [17:11] <Stevef> zakim, P22 is me
- # [17:11] <Zakim> sorry, Stevef, I do not recognize a party named 'P22'
- # [17:12] <Stevef> zakim, +??P22 is me
- # [17:12] <Zakim> sorry, Stevef, I do not recognize a party named '+??P22'
- # [17:12] <rubys> topic: ACTION items due by Thursday, March 24
- # [17:12] <rubys> mjs: there are none
- # [17:12] <rubys> topic: New Issues This Week
- # [17:12] <Zakim> +Radhika_Roy
- # [17:12] <rubys> mjs: also none
- # [17:12] <Stevef> zakim, ??P22 is me
- # [17:12] <Zakim> +Stevef; got it
- # [17:12] <rubys> topic: Items Closed Last Week
- # [17:12] <rubys> issue-120?
- # [17:12] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-120
- # [17:12] <trackbot> ISSUE-120 -- Use of prefixes is too complicated for a Web technology -- open
- # [17:12] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/120
- # [17:12] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-120: Use of prefixes is too complicated for a Web technology - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
- # [17:13] <rubys> mjs: straw poll closed March 17
- # [17:13] <rubys> issue-139?
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- # [17:13] <trackbot> ISSUE-139 -- HTML5 spec mentions Microdata in Acknowledgements -- open
- # [17:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/139
- # [17:13] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-139: HTML5 spec mentions Microdata in Acknowledgements - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
- # [17:13] <rubys> mjs: straw poll also closed March 17
- # [17:13] <rubys> issue-140?
- # [17:13] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-140
- # [17:13] <trackbot> ISSUE-140 -- clarify the applicability of the term "conforming document" in cases where "applicable specifications" had been used to augment or change the base HTML5 specification -- open
- # [17:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/140
- # [17:13] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-140: clarify the applicability of the term "conforming document" in cases where "applicable specifications" had been used to augment or change the base HTML5 specification - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
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- # [17:13] <rubys> mjs: straw poll also closed March 17
- # [17:13] <rubys> issue-142?
- # [17:13] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-142
- # [17:13] <trackbot> ISSUE-142 -- No alternative text description for video key frame (poster) -- open
- # [17:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/142
- # [17:13] <rubys> mjs: straw poll also closed March 17
- # [17:14] <rubys> mjs: questions? comments?
- # [17:14] <rubys> issue-146?
- # [17:14] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-146
- # [17:14] <trackbot> ISSUE-146 -- <video> should allow muted as a content attribute -- open
- # [17:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/146
- # [17:14] <rubys> mjs: call for consensus based on a single proposal
- # [17:14] <rubys> issue-147?
- # [17:14] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-147
- # [17:14] <trackbot> ISSUE-147 -- playbackrate: undefined behavior when the user agent can't play back at the requested rate -- open
- # [17:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/147
- # [17:15] <rubys> mjs: likewise
- # [17:15] <rubys> issue-135?
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- # [17:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-135 -- put back direct link to the W3C version of the canvas 2d context spec -- open
- # [17:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/135
- # [17:15] <rubys> mjs: also a call for closure by amicable agreement
- # [17:15] <rubys> mjs: questions? comments?
- # [17:15] <rubys> topic: Items Closing This Week
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- # [17:16] <rubys> mjs: the first closed earlier this week
- # [17:16] <rubys> issue-131?
- # [17:16] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-131
- # [17:16] <trackbot> ISSUE-131 -- Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? -- open
- # [17:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131
- # [17:16] <rubys> mjs: we did receive an alternate/counter proposals, and so this is ready for a survey
- # [17:16] <rubys> issue-145?
- # [17:16] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-145
- # [17:16] <trackbot> ISSUE-145 -- use of "codecs" parameter -- open
- # [17:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/145
- # [17:16] <rubys> mjs: extension closed march 22
- # [17:16] <rubys> issue-152?
- # [17:16] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-152
- # [17:16] <trackbot> ISSUE-152 -- Handling of additional tracks of a multitrack audio/video resource -- open
- # [17:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/152
- # [17:17] <rubys> mjs: this issue saw a lot of action, we have four proposals now
- # [17:17] <rubys> issue-155?
- # [17:17] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-155
- # [17:17] <trackbot> ISSUE-155 -- make <table border="1" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0"> conforming -- open
- # [17:17] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/155
- # [17:17] <rubys> mjs: again proposals were due march 22nd
- # [17:17] <rubys> mjs: questions/comments?
- # [17:17] <MikeSmith> q?
- # [17:17] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
- # [17:18] <rubys> janina: a brief explanation of 152... people were in sync at the F2F but then worked themselves in a corner with too many requirements on rendering.
- # [17:18] <rubys> janina: the sense is that we will get back to combining these in the next week or so to at most two options
- # [17:18] <rubys> mjs: thank you for that update
- # [17:19] <rubys> issue-148?
- # [17:19] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-148
- # [17:19] <trackbot> ISSUE-148 -- Algorithm for detecting the charset="" parameter -- open
- # [17:19] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/148
- # [17:19] <rubys> mjs: call for consensus closes today; original proposal withdrawn and we are down to one proposal
- # [17:19] <rubys> issue-27?
- # [17:19] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-27
- # [17:19] <trackbot> ISSUE-27 -- @rel value ownership, registry consideration -- open
- # [17:19] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/27
- # [17:20] <Julian> q+
- # [17:20] * Zakim sees Julian on the speaker queue
- # [17:20] <rubys> mjs: we are likely to grant an extension for a week
- # [17:20] <MikeSmith> about issue 152, see the minutes from the a11y TF call today: http://www.w3.org/2011/03/24-html-a11y-minutes.html#item01
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- # [17:20] <rubys> julian: the extension requested is more than one week; and we expect new change proposals based on new information
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- # [17:21] <rubys> mjs: if we grant such an extension, it would likely move the issue past the last call deadline
- # [17:21] <rubys> julian: agreed
- # [17:21] <rubys> issue-122?
- # [17:21] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-122
- # [17:21] <trackbot> ISSUE-122 -- alt text and description for Lady of Shalott example -- open
- # [17:21] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/122
- # [17:22] <rubys> mjs: straw poll closes today
- # [17:22] <rubys> issue-161?
- # [17:22] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-161
- # [17:22] <trackbot> ISSUE-161 -- Create document defining mappings from html elements to platform accessibility apis -- open
- # [17:22] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/161
- # [17:22] <rubys> mjs: alternate or counter proposals are due today
- # [17:22] <rubys> issue-144?
- # [17:22] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-144
- # [17:22] <trackbot> ISSUE-144 -- <u> should be conforming -- open
- # [17:22] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/144
- # [17:22] <rubys> mjs: alternate or counter proposals are due tomorrow
- # [17:22] <rubys> mjs: questions? comments?
- # [17:23] <rubys> topic: Items Closing Next Week
- # [17:23] <rubys> mjs: there were none at the time of the agenda, we will get to some later in the agenda
- # [17:23] <rubys> topic: New Calls this week
- # [17:23] <rubys> issue-145?
- # [17:23] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-145
- # [17:23] <trackbot> ISSUE-145 -- use of "codecs" parameter -- open
- # [17:23] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/145
- # [17:24] <rubys> we have a call for closure by amicable consensus
- # [17:24] <rubys> issue-131?
- # [17:24] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-131
- # [17:24] <trackbot> ISSUE-131 -- Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? -- open
- # [17:24] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131
- # [17:25] <rubys> topic: New Surveys this week
- # [17:25] <rubys> issue-131?
- # [17:25] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-131
- # [17:25] <trackbot> ISSUE-131 -- Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? -- open
- # [17:25] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131
- # [17:25] <Zakim> -??P15
- # [17:25] <rubys> new straw poll this week
- # [17:25] <rubys> issue-32?
- # [17:25] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-32
- # [17:25] <trackbot> ISSUE-32 -- how to provide a summary of a table, e.g. for unsighted navigation? -- open
- # [17:25] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/32
- # [17:26] <rubys> this poll closes on the 28th
- # [17:26] <rubys> topic: Decisions this week
- # [17:26] <rubys> issue-56?
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- # [17:26] <trackbot> ISSUE-56 -- Bring "URLs" section/definition and IRI specification in alignment. -- open
- # [17:26] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/56
- # [17:27] <rubys> mjs: decision was to revert change which removed these requirements from the spec
- # [17:27] <rubys> issue-88?
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- # [17:27] <trackbot> ISSUE-88 -- Should meta/@content allow a list of languages instead of just a single language? -- open
- # [17:27] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/88
- # [17:28] <rubys> mjs: decision to make Content-Language non-conforming in meta tags
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- # [17:28] <rubys> issue-96?
- # [17:28] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-96
- # [17:28] <trackbot> ISSUE-96 -- Remove/Discard the Progress Element -- closed
- # [17:28] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/96
- # [17:28] <Stevef> q+
- # [17:28] * Zakim sees Julian, Stevef on the speaker queue
- # [17:28] <rubys> mjs: decision was to not remove it
- # [17:28] <rubys> issue-124?
- # [17:28] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-124
- # [17:28] <trackbot> ISSUE-124 -- nofollow/noreferrer not allowed on <link> -- closed
- # [17:28] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/124
- # [17:29] <rubys> mjs: decision was to not allow noreferred and nofollow on link elements
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- # [17:29] <rubys> issue-127?
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- # [17:29] <trackbot> ISSUE-127 -- Simplify characterization of link types -- closed
- # [17:29] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/127
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- # [17:29] <rubys> mjs: the decision was to leave the table as is
- # [17:30] <rubys> issue-126?
- # [17:30] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-126
- # [17:30] <trackbot> ISSUE-126 -- Requirement to break RFC 2616 compliance with respect to backslashes not needed for legacy content -- closed
- # [17:30] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/126
- # [17:30] <rubys> mjs: the decision was to not have special handling for backslashes
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- # [17:30] <rubys> issue-140?
- # [17:30] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-140
- # [17:30] <trackbot> ISSUE-140 -- clarify the applicability of the term "conforming document" in cases where "applicable specifications" had been used to augment or change the base HTML5 specification -- open
- # [17:30] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/140
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- # [17:31] <rubys> mjs: the decision was to adopt the change proposal which changes the definition of conforming HTML documents; ie. there is a distinction between documents that conform to the HTML5 spec and documents that require extensions
- # [17:31] <rubys> mjs: that covers new decisions
- # [17:31] <rubys> mjs: questions/comments?
- # [17:31] <rubys> q?
- # [17:31] * Zakim sees Julian, Stevef on the speaker queue
- # [17:31] <MikeSmith> q?
- # [17:31] * Zakim sees Julian, Stevef on the speaker queue
- # [17:31] <rubys> ack next
- # [17:31] * Zakim sees Julian at the head of the speaker queue
- # [17:31] <mjs> ack Julian
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- # [17:32] <mjs> ack Stevef
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- # [17:32] <rubys> SteveF: there have been a number of decisions, but there have not been updates to the document based on these decisions. When do we expect such updates?
- # [17:32] <rubys> mjs: we have asked editors about this as a part of the heartbeat request...
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- # [17:33] <rubys> mjs: hixie has been focused on counter proposals, and his next priority is applying decisions
- # [17:33] <rubys> SteveF: thanks!
- # [17:33] <rubys> topic: Other Business
- # [17:34] <mjs> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Mar/0576.html
- # [17:34] <rubys> mjs: the call for consensus on heartbeat drafts is out
- # [17:34] <rubys> mjs: I encourage everyone to look at that and comment. We decided to do this as we are running close to the limit on heartbeat requirements.
- # [17:35] <rubys> mjs: questions? comments?
- # [17:35] <rubys> mjs: any other other business?
- # [17:35] <rubys> SteveF: I requested a new FPwD
- # [17:36] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Mar/0578.html
- # [17:36] <rubys> mjs: we will evaluate that request and get back to you soon?
- # [17:36] <rubys> topic: Scribe for next meeting
- # [17:36] <rubys> mjs: any volunteers?
- # [17:36] <rubys> mjs: I will scribe
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- # [17:36] <Zakim> -Radhika_Roy
- # [17:36] <rubys> topic: Adjournment
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- # [17:37] <rubys> rrsagent, publish minutes
- # [17:37] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/24-html-wg-minutes.html rubys
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