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  80. # [18:03] <rubys> trackbot, start meeting
  81. # [18:03] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference
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  83. # [18:03] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/04/14-html-wg-irc
  84. # [18:03] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  85. # [18:03] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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  87. # [18:03] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
  88. # [18:03] <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
  89. # [18:03] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  90. # [18:03] <trackbot> Date: 14 April 2011
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  92. # [18:04] <Zakim> +Sam
  93. # [18:04] <rubys> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2011AprJun/0002.html
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  95. # [18:04] <jre> Zakim, who's on the phone?
  96. # [18:04] <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.251.280.aaaa, Sam
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  98. # [18:04] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  99. # [18:04] <rubys> scribenick: rubys
  100. # [18:04] <jre> Zakim, +1.251.280.aaaa is me
  101. # [18:04] <Zakim> +jre; got it
  102. # [18:05] <paulc> paulc is on Zakim but CANNOT join by phone
  103. # [18:05] <rubys> chair: Maciej Stachowiak
  104. # [18:05] * plh zakim, call plh-work
  105. # [18:05] * Zakim ok, plh; the call is being made
  106. # [18:05] <Zakim> +Plh
  107. # [18:05] <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft] has adrianba, krisk
  108. # [18:05] <Zakim> +adrianba, krisk; got it
  109. # [18:05] * jre is now known as Julian
  110. # [18:05] <Julian> Zakim, +1.251.280.aaaa is me
  111. # [18:05] <Zakim> sorry, Julian, I do not recognize a party named '+1.251.280.aaaa'
  112. # [18:05] <Zakim> +[Apple]
  113. # [18:05] <hober> Zakim, [Apple] has me
  114. # [18:05] <Zakim> +hober; got it
  115. # [18:05] <Julian> Zakim, who's on the phone?
  116. # [18:05] <Zakim> On the phone I see jre, Sam, [Microsoft], Plh, [Apple]
  117. # [18:05] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has adrianba, krisk
  118. # [18:05] <Zakim> [Apple] has hober
  119. # [18:05] <Julian> Zakim, jre is me
  120. # [18:05] <Zakim> +Julian; got it
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  122. # [18:07] <MikeSmith> Zakim, code?
  123. # [18:07] <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), MikeSmith
  124. # [18:08] <Zakim> +??P6
  125. # [18:08] <MikeSmith> Zakim, ??P6 is me
  126. # [18:08] <Zakim> +MikeSmith; got it
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  132. # [18:10] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  133. # [18:10] <eliot> zakim, microsoft.a is me
  134. # [18:10] <Zakim> +eliot; got it
  135. # [18:10] <Zakim> +Rich
  136. # [18:10] <Zakim> +Radhika_Roy
  137. # [18:11] <rubys> If Maciej doesn't show up by 10 after, I'll chair and ask Mike Smith to scribe...
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  139. # [18:11] * plh zakim, who is on the phone?
  140. # [18:11] * Zakim sees on the phone: Julian, Sam, [Microsoft], Plh, [Apple], MikeSmith, Cynthia_Shelly, eliot, Rich, Radhika_Roy
  141. # [18:11] * Zakim [Microsoft] has adrianba, krisk
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  143. # [18:12] * MikeSmith wonders if hober has any news of Maciej
  144. # [18:12] <Zakim> +??P19
  145. # [18:13] <janina> zakim, ??P19 is janina
  146. # [18:13] <Zakim> +janina; got it
  147. # [18:13] <MikeSmith> scribe: MikeSmith
  148. # [18:13] <rubys> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2011AprJun/0002.html
  149. # [18:14] <MikeSmith> Topic: ACTION items due by Thursday, April 14
  150. # [18:14] <MikeSmith> plh: one of is mine
  151. # [18:14] <rubys> action-193?
  152. # [18:14] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-193
  153. # [18:14] <trackbot> ACTION-193 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to and co-chairs to investigate how to handle standardization of websrt -- due 2011-04-14 -- OPEN
  154. # [18:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/193
  155. # [18:14] <MikeSmith> plh: making progress, very likely we will discussion at the AC meeting -- at the request of the AB
  156. # [18:14] <MikeSmith> … propose to move to May 26
  157. # [18:15] <MikeSmith> rubys: no objections
  158. # [18:15] <rubys> action-193 due may 26
  159. # [18:15] * trackbot attempting to change due date on ACTION-193.
  160. # [18:15] <trackbot> ACTION-193 And co-chairs to investigate how to handle standardization of websrt due date now may 26
  161. # [18:15] <MikeSmith> plh: we have a request from SMPTE related to this
  162. # [18:15] <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
  163. # [18:15] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/14-html-wg-minutes.html MikeSmith
  164. # [18:15] <MikeSmith> Topic: New issues this week
  165. # [18:15] <MikeSmith> rubys: none
  166. # [18:16] <MikeSmith> Topic: Items closed last week
  167. # [18:16] <MikeSmith> rubys: none
  168. # [18:16] <MikeSmith> Topic: Items closing this week
  169. # [18:16] <MikeSmith> rubys: none
  170. # [18:16] <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
  171. # [18:16] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/14-html-wg-minutes.html MikeSmith
  172. # [18:16] <MikeSmith> Topic: Items closing next week
  173. # [18:16] <MikeSmith> issue-152?
  174. # [18:16] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-152
  175. # [18:16] <trackbot> ISSUE-152 -- Handling of additional tracks of a multitrack audio/video resource -- open
  176. # [18:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/152
  177. # [18:16] <MikeSmith> rubys: we are asking people to revise their proposals by April 22
  178. # [18:17] <MikeSmith> … hopefully to reduce the number of proposals
  179. # [18:17] * rubys cheers!
  180. # [18:17] <MikeSmith> janina: it looks like we can retract some of the proposals which were submitted by member of the Media subteam
  181. # [18:17] <MikeSmith> … while we like Hixie's proposal overall, we have some proposed edits to it
  182. # [18:18] <MikeSmith> rubys: converging on a single proposal?
  183. # [18:18] <MikeSmith> janina: yes, proposal #4
  184. # [18:18] <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
  185. # [18:18] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/14-html-wg-minutes.html MikeSmith
  186. # [18:18] <MikeSmith> Topic: New calls this week
  187. # [18:18] <MikeSmith> rubys: none
  188. # [18:18] <MikeSmith> Topic: New surveys this week
  189. # [18:18] <MikeSmith> rubys: none
  190. # [18:19] <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
  191. # [18:19] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/14-html-wg-minutes.html MikeSmith
  192. # [18:19] <MikeSmith> Topic: Decisions this week
  193. # [18:19] <MikeSmith> issue-32?
  194. # [18:19] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-32
  195. # [18:19] <trackbot> ISSUE-32 -- how to provide a summary of a table, e.g. for unsighted navigation? -- open
  196. # [18:19] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/32
  197. # [18:19] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Apr/0091.html
  198. # [18:19] <MikeSmith> issue-27?
  199. # [18:19] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-27
  200. # [18:19] <trackbot> ISSUE-27 -- @rel value ownership, registry consideration -- open
  201. # [18:19] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/27
  202. # [18:19] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Apr/0204.html
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  204. # [18:19] <MikeSmith> issue-144?
  205. # [18:19] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-144
  206. # [18:19] <trackbot> ISSUE-144 -- <u> should be conforming -- open
  207. # [18:19] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/144
  208. # [18:19] <oedipus> regrets+ Gregory_Rosmaita
  209. # [18:19] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Apr/0212.html
  210. # [18:20] <MikeSmith> issue-147?
  211. # [18:20] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-147
  212. # [18:20] <trackbot> ISSUE-147 -- playbackrate: undefined behavior when the user agent can't play back at the requested rate -- open
  213. # [18:20] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/147
  214. # [18:20] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Apr/0213.html
  215. # [18:20] <MikeSmith> issue-149z/
  216. # [18:20] <MikeSmith> issue-149?
  217. # [18:20] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-149
  218. # [18:20] <trackbot> ISSUE-149 -- Use markup compatible with both HTML/XML syntax in examples -- closed
  219. # [18:20] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/149
  220. # [18:20] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Apr/0271.html
  221. # [18:20] <MikeSmith> oops
  222. # [18:20] <MikeSmith> issue-129?
  223. # [18:20] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-129
  224. # [18:20] <trackbot> ISSUE-129 -- replace or modify the ARIA section of the HTML5 spec -- open
  225. # [18:20] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/129
  226. # [18:20] <richardschwerdtfe> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Apr/0394.html
  227. # [18:20] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Apr/0394.html
  228. # [18:21] <MikeSmith> for the record, the decision was about issue 129 (not 149, scribe made a mistake)
  229. # [18:21] <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
  230. # [18:21] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/14-html-wg-minutes.html MikeSmith
  231. # [18:21] <MikeSmith> janina: broader concern in the a11y TF that we left people who use magnification out
  232. # [18:22] <MikeSmith> issue-131?
  233. # [18:22] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-131
  234. # [18:22] <trackbot> ISSUE-131 -- Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? -- open
  235. # [18:22] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131
  236. # [18:22] <richardschwerdtfe> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Apr/0394.html
  237. # [18:22] <MikeSmith> issue-155?
  238. # [18:22] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-155
  239. # [18:22] <trackbot> ISSUE-155 -- make <table border="1" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0"> conforming -- open
  240. # [18:22] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/155
  241. # [18:22] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Apr/0377.html
  242. # [18:22] <MikeSmith> s/ISSUE-129 -- replace or modify the ARIA section of the HTML5 spec -- open//
  243. # [18:22] <MikeSmith> Topic: Testing TF report
  244. # [18:22] <MikeSmith> krisk: we met on April 5
  245. # [18:22] <krisk> Here are the meeting notes http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2011Apr/0009.html
  246. # [18:23] <MikeSmith> s/ISSUE-149 -- Use markup compatible with both HTML/XML syntax in examples -- closed//
  247. # [18:23] <MikeSmith> krisk: Ms2ger fixed a number of canvas (test) bugs
  248. # [18:23] <MikeSmith> krisk: we are are looking for some feedback on ASCII reflection tests
  249. # [18:24] * MikeSmith wonders if he heard krisk correctly about "ASCII"
  250. # [18:24] <MikeSmith> krisk: Mozilla submitted a couple onerror tests
  251. # [18:24] <MikeSmith> s/ASCII/attribute
  252. # [18:24] <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
  253. # [18:24] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/14-html-wg-minutes.html MikeSmith
  254. # [18:24] <MikeSmith> krisk: we meet again on April 19
  255. # [18:25] <MikeSmith> Topic: a11y TF
  256. # [18:25] <MikeSmith> janina: we are having two telcons each week to discuss HTML media
  257. # [18:25] <MikeSmith> … making good progress on issue 152
  258. # [18:26] <MikeSmith> … some other things have popped up
  259. # [18:26] <MikeSmith> … related to WebSRT/WebVTT
  260. # [18:26] <MikeSmith> … which got removed from the HTML5 spec at a11y TF request
  261. # [18:26] <MikeSmith> … but some other useful spec text got removed in the process
  262. # [18:26] <MikeSmith> … and we would like to see that text restored
  263. # [18:27] <MikeSmith> … Sean Hayes will be providing details on that
  264. # [18:27] <MikeSmith> janina: about the summary attribute on the table element, there has been some consternation in the TF
  265. # [18:27] <MikeSmith> … and we have formed a new subteam to discuss that
  266. # [18:28] <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
  267. # [18:28] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/14-html-wg-minutes.html MikeSmith
  268. # [18:28] <MikeSmith> s/for the record, the decision was about issue 129 (not 149, scribe made a mistake)//
  269. # [18:28] <MikeSmith> Topic: Other business
  270. # [18:28] <MikeSmith> rubys: first item is FPWD of a11y API guide
  271. # [18:29] <MikeSmith> it's now up http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-html-aapi-20110414/
  272. # [18:29] <MikeSmith> MikeSmith: should be published and announced today
  273. # [18:30] <MikeSmith> Topic: Request to re-open issue 120 (RDFa prefixes)
  274. # [18:30] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Apr/0227.html
  275. # [18:30] <MikeSmith> rubys: we have not decided to re-open it yet, but there is good discussion going on the mailing list
  276. # [18:30] <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
  277. # [18:30] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/14-html-wg-minutes.html MikeSmith
  278. # [18:30] <MikeSmith> Topic: Proposal from Mozilla for new spec license
  279. # [18:30] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Apr/0263.html
  280. # [18:30] <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
  281. # [18:30] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/14-html-wg-minutes.html MikeSmith
  282. # [18:30] <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
  283. # [18:30] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/14-html-wg-minutes.html MikeSmith
  284. # [18:31] <MikeSmith> Topic: Proposed resolution for issue 129
  285. # [18:31] <MikeSmith> s/issue-129?//
  286. # [18:31] <MikeSmith> issue-129?
  287. # [18:31] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-129
  288. # [18:31] <trackbot> ISSUE-129 -- replace or modify the ARIA section of the HTML5 spec -- open
  289. # [18:31] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/129
  290. # [18:31] <MikeSmith> rubys: hopefully will be able to close that shortly
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  292. # [18:32] <MikeSmith> rubys: any other business anybody would like to bring up?
  293. # [18:32] <MikeSmith> [hearing none]
  294. # [18:32] <MikeSmith> Topic: Scribe for next meeting?
  295. # [18:33] <MikeSmith> [no volunteers]
  296. # [18:33] <Zakim> -Radhika_Roy
  297. # [18:33] <Zakim> -Plh
  298. # [18:33] <Zakim> -janina
  299. # [18:33] <Zakim> -Rich
  300. # [18:33] <Zakim> -[Apple]
  301. # [18:33] <Zakim> -Sam
  302. # [18:33] <Zakim> -eliot
  303. # [18:33] <MikeSmith> rubys: adjourned
  304. # [18:33] <Zakim> -Julian
  305. # [18:33] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
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  308. # [18:33] <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
  309. # [18:33] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/14-html-wg-minutes.html MikeSmith
  310. # [18:33] * Quits: eliot (eliot@131.107.0.69) (Quit: Pull the pin and count to what?)
  311. # [18:33] <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
  312. # [18:34] <Zakim> -MikeSmith
  313. # [18:34] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  314. # [18:34] <Zakim> Attendees were Sam, Plh, adrianba, krisk, hober, Julian, MikeSmith, Cynthia_Shelly, [Microsoft], eliot, Rich, Radhika_Roy, janina
  315. # [18:34] * oedipus MikeSmith, the text comma tool is pulling in outdated versions of the minutes from local cache -- have to make text version by hand
  316. # [18:34] * Zakim oedipus, you typed too many words without commas; I suspect you forgot to start with 'to ...'
  317. # [18:34] <MikeSmith> s/oops//
  318. # [18:34] <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
  319. # [18:34] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/14-html-wg-minutes.html MikeSmith
  320. # [18:35] * MikeSmith oedipus, hmm, that's odd
  321. # [18:35] * Quits: krisk (qw3birc@128.30.52.28) (Ping timeout)
  322. # [18:35] <oedipus> been happening since beginning of week -- emailed systeam about it
  323. # [18:35] <MikeSmith> s/ISSUE-149 -- Use markup compatible with both HTML/XML syntax in examples -- closed//
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  325. # [18:35] <oedipus> s/been happening since beginning of week -- emailed systeam about it//
  326. # [18:36] <MikeSmith> s/ISSUE-149 -- Use markup compatible with both HTML\/XML syntax in examples -- closed//
  327. # [18:36] <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
  328. # [18:36] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/14-html-wg-minutes.html MikeSmith
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  330. # [18:36] <MikeSmith> s/ISSUE-149 -- Use markup compatible with both HTML\\/XML syntax in examples -- closed//
  331. # [18:36] <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
  332. # [18:37] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/14-html-wg-minutes.html MikeSmith
  333. # [18:38] <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, bye
  334. # [18:38] <RRSAgent> I see no action items
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