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  3. # [00:00] <pimpbot> planet: A Googler: Fridaygram <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/blogspot/Dcni/~3/B0_l8-1Vd7U/fridaygram_29.html> ** A Googler: Chime in on #io2011 and check out After Hours <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/blogspot/Dcni/~3/452QKqBoJGY/chime-in-on-io2011-and-check-out-after.html>
  4. # [00:02] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11828] Drop hgroup completely until more research has been conducted <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011May/0144.html> ** [Bug 12096] Firefox uses the last meta refresh rather than the first. Test case: http://jsfiddle.net/J58rd/ <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011May/0143.html>
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  6. # [00:18] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * 7ca99cd5c51c r6064 / (index complete.html source):
  7. # [00:18] <CIA-1> html-spec: [e] (0) precision
  8. # [00:18] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12116
  9. # [00:18] <pimpbot> 12116: contributor, P3, RESOLVED FIXED, The non-normative box says that the elements property is an HTMLCollection, but it is actually an HTMLFormControlsCollection
  10. # [00:32] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: clarify how to make a determinate and indeterminate progress bar (whatwg r6066) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011May/0020.html> ** hixie: precision (whatwg r6065) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011May/0019.html>
  11. # [00:32] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 12119] This section is not clear about how to make a progress element transition from determinate to indeterminate. As written, it sounds as if I'd have to call removeAttribute('value') to make it go into indeterminate mode. But I suspect that the intent is th" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011May/0149.html> ** "[Bug 12116] The non-normative box says that the elements property is an HT
  12. # [00:33] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * 059157444d19 r6065 / (index complete.html source):
  13. # [00:33] <CIA-1> html-spec: [e] (0) clarify how to make a determinate and indeterminate progress bar
  14. # [00:33] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12119
  15. # [00:33] <pimpbot> 12119: contributor, P3, RESOLVED FIXED, This section is not clear about how to make a progress element transition from determinate to indeterminate. As written, it sounds as if I'd have to call removeAttribute('value') to make it go into indeterminate mode. But I suspect that the intent is th
  16. # [00:33] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * 920d309a5f16 r6066 / (index complete.html source): [e] (0) update reference to refer to more recent work
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  24. # [01:00] <pimpbot> planet: Scott Knaster: Fridaygram <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/blogspot/Dcni/~3/B0_l8-1Vd7U/fridaygram_29.html> ** Scott Knaster: Chime in on #io2011 and check out After Hours <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/blogspot/Dcni/~3/452QKqBoJGY/chime-in-on-io2011-and-check-out-after.html>
  25. # [01:02] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: grammar (whatwg r6068) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011May/0022.html> ** hixie: update reference to refer to more recent work (whatwg r6067) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011May/0021.html>
  26. # [01:02] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12100] UAs do not actually convert DOMStrings to sequences of Unicode characters. Test case: data:text/html,<!doctype html><script>document.documentElement.title = "\ud800"; alert(document.documentElement.title.charCodeAt(0));</script> Expected 65533, got 5529 <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011May/0152.html> ** [Bug 12125] [CSSUI] should link to dev.w3.org, not TR/ <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/publi
  27. # [01:18] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * 6501eea2e0d5 r6068 / (index complete.html source):
  28. # [01:18] <CIA-1> html-spec: [e] (0) remove unnecessary dfn
  29. # [01:18] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12126
  30. # [01:18] <pimpbot> 12126: contributor, P3, RESOLVED FIXED, "User agents with no scripting support" is italic, which none of the other subheadings here are.
  31. # [01:32] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Spec the 'select' event. (whatwg r6070) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011May/0025.html> ** hixie: remove unnecessary dfn (whatwg r6069) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011May/0024.html> ** sam: Bug 11737 is closed <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011May/0023.html>
  32. # [01:33] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 12132] references select event, but never fires" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011May/0159.html> ** [Bug 12100] UAs do not actually convert DOMStrings to sequences of Unicode characters. Test case: data:text/html,<!doctype html><script>document.documentElement.title = "\ud800"; alert(document.documentElement.title.charCodeAt(0));</script> Expected 65533, got 5529 <http://lists.w3.or
  33. # [01:33] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * 40b2585960da r6069 / (index complete.html source):
  34. # [01:33] <CIA-1> html-spec: [giow] (2) Spec the 'select' event.
  35. # [01:33] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12132
  36. # [01:33] <pimpbot> 12132: glenn, P2, RESOLVED FIXED, references select event, but never fires
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  39. # [01:48] <CIA-1> html-spec: [e] (0) make a reference vanish from the w3c copy
  40. # [01:48] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12059
  41. # [01:48] <pimpbot> 12059: julian.reschke, P2, RESOLVED FIXED, new normative ref to DOMRANGE
  42. # [01:48] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * 6cee271f4ad7 r6071 / (index complete.html source):
  43. # [01:48] <CIA-1> html-spec: [e] (0) clarification
  44. # [01:48] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12084
  45. # [01:48] <pimpbot> 12084: julian.reschke, P2, RESOLVED FIXED, application/microdata+json fragment identifiers not really defined
  46. # [01:48] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * 7cce300c11a1 r6072 / (index complete.html source):
  47. # [01:48] <CIA-1> html-spec: [e] (0) make this algorithm less ambiguous
  48. # [01:48] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12135
  49. # [01:48] <pimpbot> 12135: contributor, P3, RESOLVED FIXED, Step 4 should abort the substeps if there is no base element.
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  51. # [02:03] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: make this algorithm less ambiguous (whatwg r6073) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011May/0028.html> ** microdata; hixie: clarification (whatwg r6072) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011May/0027.html> ** hixie: make a reference vanish from the w3c copy (whatwg r6071) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011May/0026.html>
  52. # [02:03] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12136] how about command for "top up deposit" in file document? I need help, please.?? <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011May/0169.html> ** "[Bug 12084] application/microdata+json fragment identifiers not really defined" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011May/0167.html> ** [Bug 12134] Supporting dotted/dashed lines is definitely necessary <http://list
  53. # [02:03] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * b931db805e5b r6073 / (index complete.html source):
  54. # [02:03] <CIA-1> html-spec: [e] (0) consistency
  55. # [02:03] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12149
  56. # [02:03] <pimpbot> 12149: contributor, P3, RESOLVED FIXED, The argument name is "scheme", but you call it "protocol" in this text: The arguments to the methods have the following meanings and corresponding implementation requirements: protocol (registerProtocolHandler() only)
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  64. # [02:33] <CIA-1> html-spec: [e] (0) add explicit dependency on File API spec
  65. # [02:33] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12153
  66. # [02:33] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * 5b8495542b3a r6075 / (index complete.html source):
  67. # [02:33] <CIA-1> html-spec: [e] (0) typo
  68. # [02:33] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: typo (whatwg r6076) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011May/0031.html> ** hixie: add explicit dependency on File API spec (whatwg r6075) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011May/0030.html> ** hixie: consistency (whatwg r6074) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011May/0029.html>
  69. # [02:33] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12157] s/Other specification/Other specifications/ <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011May/0176.html> ** "[Bug 12153] The input tag references a 'filelist', which appears to be undefined in the specification." (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011May/0179.html> ** [Bug 12149] The argument name is "scheme", but you call it "protocol" in this text: The argume
  70. # [02:33] <pimpbot> 12153: contributor, P3, RESOLVED FIXED, The input tag references a 'filelist', which appears to be undefined in the specification.
  71. # [02:33] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12157
  72. # [02:33] <pimpbot> 12157: contributor, P3, RESOLVED FIXED, s/Other specification/Other specifications/
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  77. # [03:04] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12133] references scroll event, but never fires <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011May/0184.html> ** [Bug 12132] references select event, but never fires <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011May/0191.html> ** [Bug 12162] Overall comment. A downloadable PDF of the altest editor's draft would be a useful way for readers to access the spec. Personally I would like to add my own com
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  89. # [03:34] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12159] how to prevent registering a protocol twice w/o bothering the user? <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011May/0193.html> ** [Bug 12148] I strongly believe disallowing 'true' and 'false' in boolean attributes will cause significant confusion in the future. Already, you can find respected web developers incorrectly referring to attributes as true and false. For instance: http://blog.getif <http://lists.w3.
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  92. # [04:04] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12584] outerHTML should probably merge with adjacent text nodes if applicable. IE seems to do this to some extent, and WebKit just changed to do it: <https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52686> This test shows behavior for outerText and outerHTML: <http://so <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011May/0195.html>
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  95. # [05:34] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12602] New: "<select><option>\n<option></select>" isn't a placeholder label option because its value is "\n", which is silly. We should strip spaces from the start and end in the definition of the option's label when it comes from textContent. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011May/0196.html>
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  98. # [06:04] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12603] New: rendering section for <select>, the sentence that describes the rendering of <option>: the concept-option-label is in <code> instead of <span>. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011May/0197.html>
  99. # [07:03] <pimpbot> planet: A Googler: Fridaygram <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/blogspot/Dcni/~3/B0_l8-1Vd7U/fridaygram_29.html> ** A Googler: Chime in on #io2011 and check out After Hours <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/blogspot/Dcni/~3/452QKqBoJGY/chime-in-on-io2011-and-check-out-after.html>
  100. # [08:03] <pimpbot> planet: Brendan Eich: My JSConf.US Presentation <http://brendaneich.com/2011/05/my-jsconf-us-presentation/>
  101. # [08:35] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12600] <video>In the ExclusiveTrackList object the unsigned long type is used for the selected indices. However, it's unclear if -1 is reserved to the no selection case (see non-normative box below). In this case, the type of the indices should be a signed long. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011May/0199.html> ** [Bug 12100] UAs do not actually convert DOMStrings to sequences of Unicode characters. Test case:
  102. # [08:48] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * 99c820e2845c r6076 / (index complete.html source):
  103. # [08:48] <CIA-1> html-spec: [e] (0) fix the example to match the algorithms
  104. # [08:48] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12163
  105. # [08:48] <pimpbot> 12163: contributor, P3, RESOLVED FIXED, The illustration of header associations for the ID/Measurement/Average/Maximum table is incorrect. Since the header cells "Legs" and "Tails" (in both rowgroups) do not have scope attributes set to "row" and they have data cells to their left, they are not
  106. # [09:03] <pimpbot> planet: Susan Taing: Fridaygram <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/blogspot/Dcni/~3/B0_l8-1Vd7U/fridaygram_29.html> ** Susan Taing: Chime in on #io2011 and check out After Hours <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/blogspot/Dcni/~3/452QKqBoJGY/chime-in-on-io2011-and-check-out-after.html>
  107. # [09:04] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * a8d1de06e46c r6077 / (index complete.html source):
  108. # [09:04] <CIA-1> html-spec: [e] (0) xref
  109. # [09:04] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12174
  110. # [09:04] <pimpbot> 12174: travil, P2, RESOLVED FIXED, Structured Clone 'Object' links to HTMLObjectElement?
  111. # [09:05] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: xref (whatwg r6078) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011May/0033.html> ** hixie: fix the example to match the algorithms (whatwg r6077) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011May/0032.html>
  112. # [09:05] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12171] Define "resolve an address" here until there's a useful spec to reference. The lack of specification seriously hurts any attempt to improve interoperability for anything related to URLs <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011May/0207.html> ** [Bug 12174] Structured Clone 'Object' links to HTMLObjectElement? <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011May/0206.html> ** [Bug 12172] <v
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  121. # [09:33] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * f3ec0e618123 r6078 / (index complete.html source):
  122. # [09:33] <CIA-1> html-spec: [a] (0) clarify element definitions
  123. # [09:33] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12178
  124. # [09:33] <pimpbot> 12178: kennyluck, P2, RESOLVED FIXED, Simplify/Remove the semantics of <b> and <i> or the description of it
  125. # [09:36] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: clarify element definitions (whatwg r6079) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011May/0034.html>
  126. # [09:36] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12181] The text in 4.12.4.17.1 conflicts with existing practice, older (e.g. HTML 4) descriptions, and the brief summary in the table at the start of 4.12.4, where "index" is described thusly: "Gives a link to the document that provides a table of contents or in <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011May/0217.html> ** [Bug 11239] Canvas support accessible caret tracking independent of Focus Ring tracking <http:/
  127. # [10:04] <pimpbot> planet: Ali Pasha: Fridaygram <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/blogspot/Dcni/~3/B0_l8-1Vd7U/fridaygram_29.html> ** Ali Pasha: Chime in on #io2011 and check out After Hours <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/blogspot/Dcni/~3/452QKqBoJGY/chime-in-on-io2011-and-check-out-after.html>
  128. # [10:06] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12125] [CSSUI] should link to dev.w3.org, not TR/ <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011May/0231.html> ** [Bug 12172] <video> What should startOffsetTime return when the current timeline offset is not known? <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011May/0227.html> ** "[Bug 11239] Canvas support accessible caret tracking independent of Focus Ring tracking" (3 messages in thread) <http
  129. # [10:33] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * 43683721fbc5 r6079 / (index complete.html source):
  130. # [10:33] <CIA-1> html-spec: [e] (0) grammar
  131. # [10:33] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12200
  132. # [10:33] <pimpbot> 12200: contributor, P3, RESOLVED FIXED, "If a reflecting IDL attribute is a DOMString whose": s/DOMString/DOMString attribute/
  133. # [10:33] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * 92cd4608e47a r6080 / (index complete.html source):
  134. # [10:33] <CIA-1> html-spec: [e] (0) typo
  135. # [10:33] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12201
  136. # [10:33] <pimpbot> 12201: contributor, P3, RESOLVED FIXED, Tim Berners-Lee seems to be TimBL's canonical name
  137. # [10:36] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: typo (whatwg r6081) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011May/0036.html> ** hixie: grammar (whatwg r6080) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011May/0035.html>
  138. # [10:36] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12076] <video> Recast WebVTT parser so that it first does line breaking then handles each line, instead of being character-oriented <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011May/0240.html> ** [Bug 12201] Tim Berners-Lee seems to be TimBL's canonical name <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011May/0241.html> ** [Bug 12193] It would be nice to hide the html5(html+css+js) code.The visibilit
  139. # [10:48] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * 0f6e25d01aef r6081 / (index complete.html source):
  140. # [10:48] <CIA-1> html-spec: [giow] (1) make :indeterminate apply to indeterminate <progress> bars
  141. # [10:48] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12210
  142. # [10:48] <pimpbot> 12210: mounir.lamouri, P2, RESOLVED FIXED, :indeterminate should apply to progress element when in the indeterminate state
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  146. # [11:06] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 12210] :indeterminate should apply to progress element when in the indeterminate state" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011May/0247.html> ** [Bug 12207] Should html/@lang and html/@xml:lang result in a dc:language predicate? <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011May/0244.html> ** [Bug 12203] Inconsistent capitalization of "Windows". IANA 1252 uses lowercas
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  155. # [12:04] <pimpbot> planet: Mike Marchak: Fridaygram <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/blogspot/Dcni/~3/B0_l8-1Vd7U/fridaygram_29.html> ** Mike Marchak: Chime in on #io2011 and check out After Hours <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/blogspot/Dcni/~3/452QKqBoJGY/chime-in-on-io2011-and-check-out-after.html>
  156. # [13:04] <pimpbot> planet: A Googler: Fridaygram <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/blogspot/Dcni/~3/B0_l8-1Vd7U/fridaygram_29.html> ** A Googler: Chime in on #io2011 and check out After Hours <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/blogspot/Dcni/~3/452QKqBoJGY/chime-in-on-io2011-and-check-out-after.html>
  157. # [13:37] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12605] New: section 4.10.22.5, step 4: first sub-step deals with U+0020 space, so U+0020 and 0x20 can be removed from the subsequent points <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011May/0256.html>
  158. # [14:05] <pimpbot> planet: gerv: Domesday Screencast <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/HackingForChrist/~3/BuZ0VJ-54Po/domesday_screencast.html>
  159. # [14:37] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12606] New: x-www-form-urlencoded encoding algorithm should normalize single CR and LF characters <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011May/0259.html> ** [Bug 12605] section 4.10.22.5, step 4.4: simplify x-www-form-urlencoded encoding algorithm <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011May/0258.html> ** [Bug 12605] section 4.10.22.5, step 4: first sub-step deals with U+0020 space, so U+
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  176. # [16:07] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12607] [HTML DOM][XMLHttpRequest object] Ass property so that: Do not follow location headers <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011May/0266.html>
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  197. # [18:00] <paulc_> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2011AprJun/0007.html
  198. # [18:00] <pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2011-05-04: short agenda; approaching Last Call from Maciej Stachowiak on 2011-05-05 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from April to June 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
  199. # [18:01] <rubys> trackbot, start meeting
  200. # [18:01] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference
  201. # [18:01] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  202. # [18:01] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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  204. # [18:01] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
  205. # [18:01] <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()12:00PM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
  206. # [18:01] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  207. # [18:01] <trackbot> Date: 05 May 2011
  208. # [18:01] <rubys> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2011AprJun/0007.html
  209. # [18:01] <pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2011-05-04: short agenda; approaching Last Call from Maciej Stachowiak on 2011-05-05 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from April to June 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
  210. # [18:01] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has now started
  211. # [18:01] * rubys (the trackbot, start meeting comes before the agenda)
  212. # [18:01] <Zakim> +[Apple]
  213. # [18:02] <mjs> Zakim, +[Apple] is me
  214. # [18:02] <Zakim> sorry, mjs, I do not recognize a party named '+[Apple]'
  215. # [18:02] <Zakim> + +1.215.286.aaaa
  216. # [18:02] <mjs> harumph
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  218. # [18:02] <rubys> Zakim, Apple has mjs
  219. # [18:02] <Zakim> +mjs; got it
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  221. # [18:02] <Zakim> +Sam
  222. # [18:03] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  223. # [18:03] <eliot> zakim, microsoft is me
  224. # [18:03] <Zakim> +eliot; got it
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  226. # [18:04] <Zakim> +Paul_Cotton
  227. # [18:04] <Zakim> + +1.347.614.aabb
  228. # [18:04] <Zakim> + +1.619.846.aacc
  229. # [18:05] <dpenkler> zakim,aabb is me
  230. # [18:05] <Zakim> +dpenkler; got it
  231. # [18:05] <paulc_> scribenick: paulc
  232. # [18:05] <CIA-1> validator: Michael[tm] Smith <mike@w3.org> * 60aae878793d r622 syntax/relaxng/assertions.sch: [assertions.sch] Add checking for <select required>. b=828
  233. # [18:06] <MikeSmith> Zakim, code?
  234. # [18:06] <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), MikeSmith
  235. # [18:06] <paulc_> zakim, list participants
  236. # [18:06] <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +1.215.286.aaaa, mjs, Sam, eliot, Paul_Cotton, +1.347.614.aabb, +1.619.846.aacc, dpenkler
  237. # [18:07] <Zakim> +??P0
  238. # [18:07] <MikeSmith> Zakim, ??P10 is me
  239. # [18:07] <paulc_> zakim, scribenick: paulc_
  240. # [18:07] <Zakim> sorry, MikeSmith, I do not recognize a party named '??P10'
  241. # [18:07] <MikeSmith> Zakim, ??P0 is me
  242. # [18:07] <Zakim> I don't understand 'scribenick: paulc_', paulc_
  243. # [18:07] <Zakim> +MikeSmith; got it
  244. # [18:07] <paulc_> topic: Action items due May 5
  245. # [18:07] <MikeSmith> scribe: paulc_
  246. # [18:07] <paulc_> None
  247. # [18:07] <paulc_> Topic: New issues this week
  248. # [18:07] <paulc_> None
  249. # [18:08] <MikeSmith> Zakim, mute me
  250. # [18:08] <Zakim> MikeSmith should now be muted
  251. # [18:08] <paulc_> Topic: Items closes last week
  252. # [18:08] <paulc_> None
  253. # [18:08] <paulc_> Topic: Items closing this week
  254. # [18:08] <paulc_> None
  255. # [18:08] <paulc_> mjs: not a lot of activity, winding down towards Last Call
  256. # [18:08] <paulc_> Topic: Items closing next week
  257. # [18:09] <Kimberly> Zakim, +1.215.286 is me
  258. # [18:09] <Zakim> +Kimberly; got it
  259. # [18:09] <paulc_> HTML5 licensing poll closes today.
  260. # [18:09] <paulc_> This is a preference poll asking for input and opinions on the 3 PSIG licenses and 2 licenses raised by WG members
  261. # [18:09] <mjs> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/html5-license-poll-v3/
  262. # [18:10] <paulc_> Poll closes at 23:59 EDT (Boston time) TODAY
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  264. # [18:10] <paulc_> Chair: encourages everyone to participate.
  265. # [18:10] <paulc_> Questions or comments on the survey?
  266. # [18:11] <paulc_> None.
  267. # [18:11] <paulc_> Review of Editor's Draft closing on May 8
  268. # [18:12] <paulc_> mjs: chairs are asking for WG members to check the disposition of all issue except -131 and to ensure they are applied correctly.
  269. # [18:12] <paulc_> mjs: Get started on pre-LC review of the document.
  270. # [18:12] <paulc_> mjs: We are going to have a survey for going into LC in the near future.
  271. # [18:12] <paulc_> mjs: questions or comments on the review process.
  272. # [18:13] <paulc_> paulc: the implication of the May 8 date is that the Chairs will be closing the pre-LC issues unless someone complains about how the WG decisions were applied.
  273. # [18:13] <paulc_> mjs: yes that is correct
  274. # [18:13] <paulc_> Topic: New calls this week
  275. # [18:13] <paulc_> None
  276. # [18:14] <paulc_> Topic: New surveys this week
  277. # [18:14] <paulc_> None
  278. # [18:14] <Zakim> +Radhika_Roy
  279. # [18:14] <paulc_> Topic: Decisions this week
  280. # [18:14] <paulc_> None
  281. # [18:14] <paulc_> Topic: Other business
  282. # [18:14] <paulc_> a) Applying the issue-131 decision
  283. # [18:14] <paulc_> ISSUE-131?
  284. # [18:14] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-131
  285. # [18:14] <trackbot> ISSUE-131 -- Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? -- open
  286. # [18:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131
  287. # [18:14] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-131: Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  288. # [18:15] <paulc_> mjs: This is the last outstanding pre-LC issue for which the WG decision has not be applied.
  289. # [18:15] <paulc_> mjs: Rich S has provided a delta for application and Ian Hickson has supplied a delta revised very recently.
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  291. # [18:15] <paulc_> mjs: Both Rich S and Ian have objections with each other's diffs although the Chairs are hopeful of convergence.
  292. # [18:16] <paulc_> mjs: If there is no convergence by May 8, the Chairs will determine the next action.
  293. # [18:16] <paulc_> mjs: After resolution of the application of -131, we will be ready for a survey on going to Last Call.
  294. # [18:16] <hober> Zakim, aacc is me
  295. # [18:16] <Zakim> +hober; got it
  296. # [18:17] <mjs> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Apr/0773.html
  297. # [18:17] <pimpbot> Title: Change made to WAI-ARIA section from Steve Faulkner on 2011-04-29 (public-html@w3.org from April 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
  298. # [18:17] <paulc_> b) Revert request for commit 6040
  299. # [18:17] <rubys> http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/revert-requests.html
  300. # [18:17] <pimpbot> Title: History of Revert Requests (at dev.w3.org)
  301. # [18:18] <paulc_> mjs: The chairs asked for this revert (asked for Steve F) and it was done quite quickly by the Editor.
  302. # [18:18] <paulc_> mjs: more recently there was another revert request by Tab Atkins
  303. # [18:18] <paulc_> mjs: after some discussion there were seconds to this request and the Chairs asked for the revert to be done.
  304. # [18:18] <rubys> revert: http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=6063&to=6064
  305. # [18:18] <pimpbot> Title: HTML5 Tracker (at html5.org)
  306. # [18:19] <paulc_> mjs: This links give the revert for 6052
  307. # [18:19] <paulc_> mjs: No outstanding revert request.
  308. # [18:20] <paulc_> mjs: Any other business.
  309. # [18:20] <paulc_> WG: No other topics.
  310. # [18:20] <paulc_> Topic: Chair and scribe for next meeting
  311. # [18:20] <paulc_> mjs: Volunteer?
  312. # [18:20] <paulc_> Sam: I will chair.
  313. # [18:21] <paulc_> mjs: I will scribe.
  314. # [18:21] <paulc_> Topic: Adjournment
  315. # [18:21] <Zakim> -dpenkler
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  317. # [18:21] <Zakim> -MikeSmith
  318. # [18:21] <Zakim> -[Apple]
  319. # [18:21] <Zakim> -Kimberly
  320. # [18:21] <Zakim> -Radhika_Roy
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  322. # [18:21] <Zakim> -Sam
  323. # [18:21] <Zakim> -eliot
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  325. # [18:21] <Zakim> -hober
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  327. # [18:21] <mjs> I think that might be the shortest telecon ever
  328. # [18:21] <paulc_> mjs: we are now adjourned at ::18 after the hour.
  329. # [18:22] <paulc_> rrsagent, make minutes
  330. # [18:22] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/05-html-wg-minutes.html paulc_
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  334. # [18:38] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12607] [HTML DOM][XMLHttpRequest object] Ass property so that: Do not follow location headers <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011May/0270.html> ** [Bug 11239] Canvas support accessible caret tracking independent of Focus Ring tracking <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011May/0269.html>
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  337. # [19:06] <pimpbot> planet: Ali Pasha: Fridaygram <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/blogspot/Dcni/~3/B0_l8-1Vd7U/fridaygram_29.html> ** Ali Pasha: Chime in on #io2011 and check out After Hours <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/blogspot/Dcni/~3/452QKqBoJGY/chime-in-on-io2011-and-check-out-after.html>
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  339. # [19:08] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 12607] [HTML DOM][XMLHttpRequest object] Ass property so that: Do not follow location headers" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011May/0271.html>
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  342. # [19:38] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12141] <video> Specifically state that all <track> options be exposed to the end user <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011May/0273.html> ** "[Bug 12607] [HTML DOM][XMLHttpRequest object] Ass property so that: Do not follow location headers" (3 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011May/0272.html>
  343. # [19:38] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  344. # [19:38] <Zakim> Attendees were +1.215.286.aaaa, mjs, Sam, eliot, Paul_Cotton, +1.347.614.aabb, +1.619.846.aacc, dpenkler, MikeSmith, Kimberly, Radhika_Roy, hober
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  347. # [20:06] <pimpbot> planet: ieblog: New IE9 Developer Content on MSDN <http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2011/05/05/new-ie9-developer-content-on-msdn.aspx> ** Mike Marchak: Fridaygram <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/blogspot/Dcni/~3/B0_l8-1Vd7U/fridaygram_29.html>
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  349. # [20:08] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12609] New: Allow <ol>/<ul> to have <ol>/<ul> children <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011May/0275.html> ** [Bug 12604] Provide accessibility API details for Change Proposal for ISSUE-131 <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011May/0274.html>
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  352. # [20:19] <CIA-1> htmlr: Michael[tm] Smith gh-pages * r88da598 / (130 files in 5 dirs): Document the mediagroup attribute. - http://bit.ly/jvoMbw
  353. # [20:19] <pimpbot> Title: Commit 88da5985816a38ca6cbf1953cffafb756a7ca85a to sideshowbarker/htmlr - GitHub (at bit.ly)
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  357. # [20:38] <pimpbot> changes: mike: document the mediagroup attribute <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011May/0038.html>
  358. # [20:38] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12609] Allow <ol>/<ul> to have <ol>/<ul> children <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011May/0276.html>
  359. # [21:06] <pimpbot> planet: Ali Pasha: Fridaygram <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/blogspot/Dcni/~3/B0_l8-1Vd7U/fridaygram_29.html>
  360. # [21:08] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12141] <video> Specifically state that all <track> options be exposed to the end user <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011May/0277.html>
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  364. # [21:33] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * 0a601f13f15a r6082 / (index complete.html source):
  365. # [21:33] <CIA-1> html-spec: [e] (0) Add a link to the fakepath example from the fakepath impl requirement.
  366. # [21:33] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12213
  367. # [21:33] <pimpbot> 12213: contributor, P3, RESOLVED FIXED, Provide a note explaining the history of the "fakepath" stuff so people don't go WTF
  368. # [21:39] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Add a link to the fakepath example from the fakepath impl requirement. (whatwg r6083) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011May/0039.html>
  369. # [21:39] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 12213] Provide a note explaining the history of the "fakepath" stuff so people don't go WTF" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011May/0280.html> ** [Bug 12219] how to automatic install adove flash <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011May/0278.html>
  370. # [22:07] <pimpbot> planet: Mike Marchak: Fridaygram <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/blogspot/Dcni/~3/B0_l8-1Vd7U/fridaygram_29.html>
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  381. # [23:09] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12296] Rules for parsing an integer don't match ES parseInt() <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011May/0281.html>
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  384. # [23:33] <CIA-1> html-spec: [giow] (0) Fix a couple of parser bugs that made valid ES floating point numbers not get parsed to the same meaning in HTML attributes
  385. # [23:33] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12220
  386. # [23:33] <pimpbot> 12220: mounir.lamouri, P2, RESOLVED FIXED, Make sure rules for parsing a float are the same in HTML and in Javascript specifications
  387. # [23:39] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Fix a couple of parser bugs that made valid ES floating point numbers not get parsed to the same meaning in HTML attributes (whatwg r6084) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011May/0040.html>
  388. # [23:39] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12221] Should Structured Clone preserve property descriptors? <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011May/0287.html> ** [Bug 12225] Drop rel=tag. It doesn't seem to be used and doesn't seem to do anything useful. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011May/0286.html> ** [Bug 11887] Remove useless input.valueAsNumber. Pretty much the same functionality can be achieved using parseFloat or
  389. # [23:48] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * 4a0d6bf02435 r6084 / (index complete.html source):
  390. # [23:48] <CIA-1> html-spec: [e] (0) clarification
  391. # [23:48] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12221
  392. # [23:48] <pimpbot> 12221: travil, P2, RESOLVED FIXED, Should Structured Clone preserve property descriptors?
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