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  3. # [00:18] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * 27591cecca84 r6160 / (index complete.html source): [giow] (0) Make it so that taking out all the streams temporarily doesn't kill a PeerConnection object. Also, update the security section.
  4. # [00:21] <pimpbot> changes: sam: Reflect calls for issues 134, 150, and 163 <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011May/0193.html>
  5. # [00:21] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12314] <video> A PeerConnection shouldn't go into the CLOSED state when all the media streams are closed. Let's leave that for the higher-level protocol, and just assume that ICE will be torn down abruptly if it is closed. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011May/1165.html>
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  12. # [00:48] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * aef8c4bfabe0 r6161 / (index complete.html source): [giow] (0) Remove pointless events from the PeerConnection object. Add an event summary. Fix fallout from recent changes.
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  14. # [00:51] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12835] FIGCAPTION should be allowed to NOT be exactly first/last child of FIGURE ("The figcaption element" spec section) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011May/1167.html> ** [Bug 12834] LEGEND should be allowed to NOT be exactly first child of FIELDSET ("The legend element" spec section) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011May/1166.html>
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  17. # [01:03] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * 339d921d9f76 r6162 / (index complete.html source): [giow] (0) Avoid salvaging documents that have active PeerConnections. (Maybe we should force close the PeerConnection objects, too?)
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  19. # [01:21] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12313] <video> if a PeerConnection receives a new stream, then has close() called on it before the addstream event fires, the remoteStreams will change between close() and the close event. We should avoid that, probably by checking the readiness state <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011May/1168.html>
  20. # [01:33] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * 0e2befbb8c7e r6163 / (index complete.html source): [giow] (0) Make it so that p.remoteStreams cannot change after a call to close().
  21. # [01:48] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * cac9869dd1ef r6164 /source:
  22. # [01:48] <CIA-1> html-spec: [e] (0) allow dependency on HTML again
  23. # [01:48] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12809
  24. # [01:48] <pimpbot> 12809: pmika, P2, RESOLVED FIXED, Invalid examples using link and meta elements in the body
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  26. # [01:52] <pimpbot> changes: microdata; hixie: allow dependency on HTML again (whatwg r6165) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011May/0194.html>
  27. # [01:52] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 12809] Invalid examples using link and meta elements in the body" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011May/1172.html> ** [Bug 12718] Handling datetimes in microdata-to-RDF conversion <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011May/1170.html> ** [Bug 12713] Mapping microdata in RDF (section 5.2) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011May/1
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  47. # [02:33] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * e857c30c491a r6165 / (index complete.html source): [e] (0) clarify note about <source>
  48. # [03:03] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * 1a59bd0a5dd7 r6166 / (index complete.html source): [e] (0) loosen the wording around media.duration a little
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  50. # [03:23] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12839] New: @id: Define how Unicode normalization affects the 'unique identifier' status <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0000.html>
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  52. # [03:53] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12834] LEGEND should be allowed to NOT be exactly first child of FIELDSET ("The legend element" spec section) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0002.html> ** [Bug 12835] FIGCAPTION should be allowed to NOT be exactly first/last child of FIGURE ("The figcaption element" spec section) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0001.html>
  53. # [04:23] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12840] The example cache manifest file is never explicitly named <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0005.html> ** [Bug 12840] New: The example cache manifest file is never explicitly named, yet referred to by name "clock.appcache" later. Suggest adding a line "# clock.appcache" to the top, which would be consistent with the previous example files, and also demonstrate the comment syn <http://lists.w3.org
  54. # [04:24] <pimpbot> changes: sam: CfP for 164 <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Jun/0000.html>
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  57. # [04:52] <pimpbot> planet: Tantek: Sign-ups officially open! @OpenWebCamp III http://openwebcamp.org @t: @cassisjs @codepo8:#HTML5 @cindyli:design +more. <http://tantek.com/2011/151/t2/open-openwebcamp-iii-cassisjs-html5-design>
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  61. # [05:52] <pimpbot> planet: Tantek: Sign-ups officially open! @OpenWebCamp III http://openwebcamp.org @t:@cassisjs @codepo8:#HTML5 @cindyli:design +more. <http://tantek.com/2011/151/t2/open-openwebcamp-iii-cassisjs-html5-design>
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  76. # [09:55] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12839] @id: Define how Unicode normalization affects the 'unique identifier' status <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0006.html>
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  81. # [12:25] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12809] Invalid examples using link and meta elements in the body <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0010.html> ** [Bug 12839] @id: Define how Unicode normalization affects the 'unique identifier' status <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0009.html> ** "[Bug 12809] Invalid examples using link and meta elements in the body" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/
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  87. # [13:56] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12835] FIGCAPTION should be allowed to NOT be exactly first/last child of FIGURE ("The figcaption element" spec section) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0014.html> ** [Bug 12834] LEGEND should be allowed to NOT be exactly first child of FIELDSET ("The legend element" spec section) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0013.html> ** [Bug 12835] FIGCAPTION should be allo
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  90. # [14:26] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12776] Define process for deciding whether a draft is REC-track or Note-track <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0015.html>
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  94. # [14:56] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 12776] Define process for deciding whether a draft is REC-track or Note-track" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0016.html>
  95. # [15:26] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 12776] Define process for deciding whether a draft is REC-track or Note-track" (3 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0017.html>
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  97. # [15:56] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 12776] Define process for deciding whether a draft is REC-track or Note-track" (5 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0019.html>
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  99. # [16:56] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12843] New: This is great news!!!!!!!!!! <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0020.html>
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  101. # [17:26] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 12844] Remove the label attribute from subclasses of HTMLElement" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0023.html> ** [Bug 12844] New: Remove the label attribute from subclasses of HTMLElement <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0021.html>
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  111. # [17:57] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12846] New: The beforeprint and afterprint shouldn't fire if the user at any time cancels the print request. These events would imply that the user actually printed. Perhaps there should be an onprint event that fired when it is actually sent to the "printer". <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0024.html>
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  117. # [18:57] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12847] New: typo, funciton should be function <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0025.html>
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  119. # [19:48] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * 1b42ada3c725 r6167 / (index complete.html source): [acgiow] (0) Simplify the WebVTT file signature.
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  121. # [19:48] <CIA-1> html-spec: [e] (0) Don't overpromise in security sections...
  122. # [19:48] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12272
  123. # [19:48] <pimpbot> 12272: watsonm, P2, RESOLVED FIXED, Improve section on DNS spoofing attacks to address user attacks
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  125. # [19:59] <pdr> Anyone know the relevant mailing list for html5 canvas spec discussion? public-html@w3.org might work--just wondering if there's a better one.
  126. # [19:59] <Hixie> public-html@w3.org and whatwg@whatwg.org
  127. # [19:59] <Hixie> the latter guarantees a reply from me (eventually)
  128. # [20:00] <pdr> Thanks!
  129. # [20:00] <Hixie> if you post to public-html-comments@w3.org it will automatically file a bug, if you are specifically reporting a feature request
  130. # [20:00] <Hixie> if you want just help authoring, then help@whatwg.org might be better
  131. # [20:00] <Hixie> (note that for the whatwg lists at least you need to be subscribed, see whatwg.org/mailing-list)
  132. # [20:01] <plh> there is also http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-canvas-api/
  133. # [20:01] <pimpbot> Title: public-canvas-api@w3.org Mail Archives (at lists.w3.org)
  134. # [20:02] <Hixie> ah yes, forgot that one
  135. # [20:06] <pdr> Since you're here, maybe I can float a quick idea... it looks like canvas' drawText() requires collapsing spaces (e.g., drawText("A B") would draw "A B"). I implemented this in WebKit but the reviewer asked if we should push back on the spec to /not/ collapse spaces. Any thoughts on that?
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  137. # [20:15] * Philip notes that #whatwg on Freenode is usually a better IRC channel than here
  138. # [20:17] <Hixie> pdr: checking...
  139. # [20:18] <Hixie> pdr: it doesn't collapse spaces
  140. # [20:18] <Hixie> pdr: it just converts newlines to spaces
  141. # [20:18] <Hixie> and tabs
  142. # [20:18] <Hixie> and form feed
  143. # [20:21] <pdr> It says to convert those characters to spaces, but then to put the text in a CSS line box. Does a "CSS line box" not collapse spaces?
  144. # [20:23] <Philip> http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/text.html#white-space-model says spaces collapse
  145. # [20:23] <pimpbot> Title: Text (at www.w3.org)
  146. # [20:23] <Philip> (and when I last looked at this, I thought that applied to the canvas situation)
  147. # [20:26] <plh> I wonder if we have a test to cover this...
  148. # [20:26] <Philip> http://w3c-test.org/html/tests/submission/PhilipTaylor/canvas/index.2d.text.draw.space.collapse.html
  149. # [20:26] <pimpbot> Title: Canvas tests - 2d.text.draw.space.collapse.* (at w3c-test.org)
  150. # [20:26] <Philip> Several :-)
  151. # [20:27] <pdr> WebKit now includes philip's tests, which are failing atm
  152. # [20:28] <plh> and firefox and opera are failing four of the five
  153. # [20:29] <pdr> I don't think anyone is even doing the {newline, form feed, etc.} -> space step correctly, in addition to not collapsing spaces.
  154. # [20:32] * Philip would be unsurprised by there still being many bugs in this area
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  158. # [20:56] <pdr> Thanks everyone for your input. Email sent to public-canvas-api@w3.org asking for further clarification :)
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  160. # [21:28] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12831] File API interfaces should have <code> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0027.html> ** [Bug 12832] File API interfaces want a code element <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0028.html> ** [Bug 12843] This is great news!!!!!!!!!! <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0026.html>
  161. # [21:47] <MikeSmith> bug 12111
  162. # [21:47] <pimpbot> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12111 mike, P2, RESOLVED REMIND, spec for Storage object getItem(key) method does not match implementation behavior
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  168. # [22:28] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12834] LEGEND should be allowed to NOT be exactly first child of FIELDSET ("The legend element" spec section) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0030.html> ** [Bug 12839] @id: Define how Unicode normalization affects the 'unique identifier' status <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0029.html>
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  173. # [23:28] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12848] New: "Subtitle" I am deaf. I love html5, it is wonderful tool. One problem with html5 video is no subtitle or closed caption. I would like you to add feature that all html5 video support closed caption subtitle. We can add file of subtitle to website with htnm <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0031.html>
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  176. # [23:59] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12848] "Subtitle" I am deaf. I love html5, it is wonderful tool. One problem with html5 video is no subtitle or closed caption. I would like you to add feature that all html5 video support closed caption subtitle. We can add file of subtitle to website with htnm <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0034.html> ** [Bug 12544] MEDIA CONTROLLER requires track kind for in-band tracks <http://lists.w3.org/Archiv
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