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  12. # [01:29] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12839] @id: Define how Unicode normalization affects the 'unique identifier' status <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0035.html>
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  15. # [01:57] <pimpbot> planet: ddahl: DOMCrypt API Update 2011-06-01 <http://monocleglobe.wordpress.com/2011/06/01/domcrypt-update-2011-06-01/>
  16. # [01:59] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12848] "Subtitle" I am deaf. I love html5, it is wonderful tool. One problem with html5 video is no subtitle or closed caption. I would like you to add feature that all html5 video support closed caption subtitle. We can add file of subtitle to website with htnm <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0036.html>
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  21. # [02:29] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12839] @id: Define how Unicode normalization affects the 'unique identifier' status <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0038.html> ** [Bug 12839] @id: Define how Unicode normalization affects the 'unique identifier' status <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0037.html>
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  26. # [02:59] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12835] FIGCAPTION should be allowed to NOT be exactly first/last child of FIGURE ("The figcaption element" spec section) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0040.html> ** [Bug 12076] <video> Recast WebVTT parser so that it first does line breaking then handles each line, instead of being character-oriented <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0039.html>
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  29. # [03:29] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12839] @id: Define how Unicode normalization affects the 'unique identifier' status <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0042.html> ** [Bug 12849] New: why is there a 'month' type but not 'year'? I need a 'year' field for a form (to collect year, make, model of cars) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0041.html>
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  40. # [04:30] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12849] why is there a 'month' type but not 'year'? I need a 'year' field for a form (to collect year, make, model of cars) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0044.html> ** [Bug 12850] New: just test the comment system. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0043.html>
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  47. # [05:58] <pimpbot> planet: Jesper Kristensen: Firefox/Gecko Delivery Meeting Minutes: 2011-06-01 <http://blog.mozilla.com/meeting-notes/archives/570>
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  51. # [07:30] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 12849] why is there a 'month' type but not 'year'? I need a 'year' field for a form (to collect year, make, model of cars)" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0045.html>
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  53. # [09:01] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12851] New: Displaying such streams (both the locally-produced ones and the remotely-obtained ones) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0046.html>
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  62. # [11:59] <pimpbot> planet: Bruce: On the HTML5 “revolution” <http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/2011/on-the-html5-revolution/>
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  72. # [15:02] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12853] New: <!DOCTYPE html> <html> <head> <title>Sample page</title> </head> <body> <h1>Sample page</h1> <p>This is a <a href="demo.html">simple</a> sample.</p> <!-- this is a comment --> </body> </html> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0047.html>
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  87. # [17:33] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12854] New: I am quite surprised to see that things such as the list of allowed values for the "rel" attribute of the "link" tag (aka. the list of link types) as well as the list of allowed values for the "name" attribute of the "meta" tag are supposed to be listed o <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0048.html>
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  93. # [18:03] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10671] consider removing support for PUT and DELETE as form methods <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0050.html> ** [Bug 12856] New: Saying that "The dirty value flag <...> must be set to true whenever the user interacts with the control" is highly misleading. <http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/common-input-element-attributes.html#dom-input-value-value> says t <http://lists.w3.
  94. # [18:03] <rubys> trackbot, start meeting
  95. # [18:03] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference
  96. # [18:03] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  97. # [18:03] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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  99. # [18:03] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
  100. # [18:03] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  101. # [18:03] <trackbot> Date: 02 June 2011
  102. # [18:03] <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()12:00PM scheduled to start now
  103. # [18:03] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has now started
  104. # [18:03] <Zakim> +Radhika_Roy
  105. # [18:04] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  106. # [18:04] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  107. # [18:04] <MarkF> MarkF from ATT joined
  108. # [18:04] <eliot> Zakim, Microsoft.a has me
  109. # [18:04] <Zakim> +eliot; got it
  110. # [18:04] <Zakim> +Sam
  111. # [18:05] <Zakim> + +1.212.478.aaaa
  112. # [18:05] <Zakim> +adrianba
  113. # [18:05] <adrianba> ScribeNick: adrianba
  114. # [18:05] <adrianba> Scribe: Adrian Bateman
  115. # [18:05] <adrianba> Chair: Paul Cotton
  116. # [18:05] <adrianba> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2011AprJun/0013.html
  117. # [18:05] <pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2011-06-02 Action Items, New Calls from Paul Cotton on 2011-05-31 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from April to June 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
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  119. # [18:06] <eliot> by tomorrow, Paul
  120. # [18:06] * plh zakim, call plh-work
  121. # [18:06] * Zakim ok, plh; the call is being made
  122. # [18:06] <Zakim> +Plh
  123. # [18:06] <paulc> zakim, who is on the call?
  124. # [18:06] <Zakim> On the phone I see Radhika_Roy, [Microsoft], [Microsoft.a], Sam, +1.212.478.aaaa, adrianba, Plh
  125. # [18:06] <Zakim> [Microsoft.a] has eliot
  126. # [18:09] <paulc> plh: see http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/new-information-status.html
  127. # [18:09] <pimpbot> Title: New Information Status (at dev.w3.org)
  128. # [18:09] <Zakim> + +33.9.53.58.aabb
  129. # [18:09] <dpenkler> zakim,aabb is me
  130. # [18:09] <Zakim> +dpenkler; got it
  131. # [18:10] <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
  132. # [18:10] <adrianba> TOPIC: ACTION items due by Thursday, June 2
  133. # [18:10] <adrianba> ACTION-203?
  134. # [18:10] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-203
  135. # [18:10] <trackbot> ACTION-203 -- Steve Faulkner to develop a usable LC comment form -- due 2011-06-02 -- OPEN
  136. # [18:10] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/203
  137. # [18:10] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-203: Develop a usable LC comment form - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  138. # [18:11] <adrianba> paulc: this relates to the acceptability of our bugzilla instance as installed at w3c
  139. # [18:11] <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike
  140. # [18:11] <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
  141. # [18:11] <Zakim> +Mike
  142. # [18:11] <adrianba> ... don't see steve here - know mike smith has been working on this
  143. # [18:12] <paulc> ACTION-203 is due in one week
  144. # [18:12] <adrianba> MikeSmith: have been talking with steve and others about this - do intend to fix this with his help and others
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  146. # [18:13] <adrianba> ... might take longer than the current last call - don't want to rush
  147. # [18:13] <adrianba> ... people should be reminded that they can use the public-html-comments list if they have problems with bugzilla - that's a supported way of submitting comments and someone will add them to bugzilla
  148. # [18:14] <adrianba> paulc: i know you've been doing that since last call started - i noted there was a comment last night or yesterday that maybe the first one with more than one comment in the body - are you set-up to split those out?
  149. # [18:14] <adrianba> MikeSmith: not at the moment
  150. # [18:14] <paulc> Here is comment: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-comments/2011Jun/0000.html
  151. # [18:14] <pimpbot> Title: Contributions to HTML5: Techniques for providing useful text alternatives from Reinaldo Ferraz on 2011-06-01 (public-html-comments@w3.org from June 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
  152. # [18:14] <adrianba> paulc: just suggesting you need to be careful with this
  153. # [18:14] <adrianba> MikeSmith: traffic on the comments list is low so not hard to handle these manually
  154. # [18:15] <adrianba> paulc: thanks for stepping up to this
  155. # [18:15] <paulc> Thanks for stepping up to do this translation from public-comments to Bugzilla
  156. # [18:15] <adrianba> MikeSmith: i'll make sure any comments that get posted there make it into bugzilla
  157. # [18:15] <adrianba> ACTION-203 due next week
  158. # [18:15] * trackbot attempting to change due date on ACTION-203.
  159. # [18:15] <trackbot> ACTION-203 Develop a usable LC comment form due date now next week
  160. # [18:16] <adrianba> TOPIC: New Issues This Week
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  162. # [18:16] <adrianba> paulc: None
  163. # [18:16] <paulc> ACTION-193?
  164. # [18:16] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-193
  165. # [18:16] <trackbot> ACTION-193 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to and co-chairs to investigate how to handle standardization of websrt -- due 2011-06-26 -- OPEN
  166. # [18:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/193
  167. # [18:16] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-193: And co-chairs to investigate how to handle standardization of websrt - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  168. # [18:16] <adrianba> TOPIC: ACTION-193
  169. # [18:16] <Zakim> +??P28
  170. # [18:16] <janina> zakim, ??P28 is Janina
  171. # [18:16] <Zakim> +Janina; got it
  172. # [18:16] <plh> http://www.w3.org/2011/05/google-webvtt-charter.html
  173. # [18:16] <pimpbot> Title: WebVTT Working Group (at www.w3.org)
  174. # [18:16] <adrianba> plh: not that it's fully resolved but we made great progress - we received a proposed charter from Google
  175. # [18:17] <adrianba> ... we sent an advanced notice to members saying we are looking at creating a charter taking Google's proposal into account - we welcome comments - please send directly to me
  176. # [18:17] <adrianba> ... this will not be part of HTML WG, it will be a separate WG
  177. # [18:17] <adrianba> ... as far as i know we don't need to track in the HTML WG any longer
  178. # [18:17] <adrianba> ... but if people want, i can continue to give updates
  179. # [18:18] <adrianba> paulc: given the large amount of invited experts, if you took an informal action to post the formation of the group should such an event occur
  180. # [18:18] <adrianba> plh: sure - don't think it would happen before end of july
  181. # [18:18] <adrianba> ... working on charter and need to find chair, etc.
  182. # [18:18] <adrianba> ... will take 1 to 2 weeks to stabilise the charter and send for formal review
  183. # [18:19] <adrianba> close ACTION-193
  184. # [18:19] * trackbot attempting to close ACTION-193.
  185. # [18:19] <trackbot> ACTION-193 And co-chairs to investigate how to handle standardization of websrt closed
  186. # [18:19] <adrianba> TOPIC: Items Closed Last Week
  187. # [18:19] <adrianba> paulc: None
  188. # [18:19] <adrianba> TOPIC: Items Closing This Week
  189. # [18:19] <adrianba> paulc: None
  190. # [18:19] <adrianba> TOPIC: Items Closing Next Week
  191. # [18:19] <adrianba> paulc: None
  192. # [18:19] <adrianba> TOPIC: New Calls this week
  193. # [18:20] <adrianba> ISSUE-134?
  194. # [18:20] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-134
  195. # [18:20] <trackbot> ISSUE-134 -- Provide tablist and tab states for menu and command elements respectively -- open
  196. # [18:20] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/134
  197. # [18:20] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-134: Provide tablist and tab states for menu and command elements respectively - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
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  199. # [18:20] <adrianba> paulc: sent out e-mail notifications on Tuesday - due date is july 1
  200. # [18:20] <adrianba> ISSUE-150?
  201. # [18:20] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-150
  202. # [18:20] <trackbot> ISSUE-150 -- consider reducing verbosity when talking about code points -- open
  203. # [18:20] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/150
  204. # [18:20] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-150: consider reducing verbosity when talking about code points - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  205. # [18:20] <adrianba> paulc: these two are calls for counter proposals
  206. # [18:21] <adrianba> ISSUE-163?
  207. # [18:21] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-163
  208. # [18:21] <trackbot> ISSUE-163 -- Need a means for navigating between related timed tracks of media elements -- raised
  209. # [18:21] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/163
  210. # [18:21] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-163: Need a means for navigating between related timed tracks of media elements - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  211. # [18:21] <adrianba> ISSUE-164?
  212. # [18:21] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-164
  213. # [18:21] <trackbot> ISSUE-164 -- remove or modify hgroup -- raised
  214. # [18:21] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/164
  215. # [18:21] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-164: remove or modify hgroup - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  216. # [18:21] <adrianba> paulc: these are calls for change proposals where we don't currently have a proposal
  217. # [18:21] <adrianba> ... chairs would appreciate if the volunteers would send e-mail indicating that they are planning to write a change proposal
  218. # [18:22] <adrianba> ... not uncommon that people volunteer and then we discover they didn't send anything so we can send a reminder
  219. # [18:22] <adrianba> ... chairs are going to continue this rhythm of 2, 3 or 4 items each week until we empty the queue
  220. # [18:22] <rubys> 2
  221. # [18:23] <adrianba> rubys: 2 things left in the queue
  222. # [18:23] <adrianba> TOPIC: New Surveys this week
  223. # [18:23] <adrianba> paulc: None
  224. # [18:23] <adrianba> TOPIC: Decisions this week
  225. # [18:23] <adrianba> paulc: None
  226. # [18:23] <adrianba> TOPIC: Other Business
  227. # [18:23] <adrianba> paulc: does anyone have anything they want to raise?
  228. # [18:24] <adrianba> TOPIC: Scribe for next meeting
  229. # [18:25] <adrianba> paulc: sam chairing next week, we need a scribe - any volunteers?
  230. # [18:25] <adrianba> plh: i can scribe next week
  231. # [18:25] <paulc> merci beaucoup to plh
  232. # [18:25] <adrianba> TOPIC: Adjournment
  233. # [18:25] <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
  234. # [18:25] <Zakim> -Sam
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  236. # [18:26] <adrianba> paulc: we're adjourned
  237. # [18:26] <Zakim> -Plh
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  239. # [18:26] <Zakim> -Mike
  240. # [18:26] <Zakim> -Radhika_Roy
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  242. # [18:26] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
  243. # [18:26] <Zakim> -Janina
  244. # [18:26] <Zakim> -dpenkler
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  247. # [18:26] <Zakim> -adrianba
  248. # [18:26] <adrianba> zakim, bye
  249. # [18:26] <Zakim> leaving. As of this point the attendees were Radhika_Roy, [Microsoft], eliot, Sam, +1.212.478.aaaa, adrianba, Plh, +33.9.53.58.aabb, dpenkler, Cynthia_Shelly, Mike, Janina
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  251. # [18:26] <adrianba> rrsagent, make minutes
  252. # [18:26] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/06/02-html-wg-minutes.html adrianba
  253. # [18:26] <adrianba> rrsagent, make logs public
  254. # [18:26] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, adrianba
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  262. # [19:01] <pimpbot> planet: Steve Faulkner: HTML5 Accessibility Chops: ARIA & validation <http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2011/06/html5-accessibility-chops-aria-validation/>
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  277. # [20:33] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12858] This doesn't actually define "align descendants". It says which descendants are to be aligned, but not what's supposed to happen to them. Is it like floating, or something else? <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0053.html> ** [Bug 12858] New: This doesn't actually define "align descendants". It says which descendants are to be aligned, but not what's supposed to happen to them. Is it like floating,
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