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  5. # [00:10] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12906] Canvas should not pretend that it can be used to replace some input elements <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0285.html>
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  21. # [00:33] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * 874a2fa41b65 r6197 / (index complete.html source): [giow] (0) Rename DataTransferItems to DataTransferItemList.
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  24. # [00:40] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12228] All Media Elements should have the ability to have both short and longer textual descriptions associated to the element. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0287.html> ** [Bug 12182] <video> "The ready states" vs "Network states" (editorial, heading titles) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0286.html>
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  35. # [01:10] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12918] I found that you limited the keywords acceptable for the meta-name attribute and for the link-rel attribute. In the specs you use exhaustive lists of allowed keywords. In my opinion you should only suggest keywords. See also http://webhel.blogspot.com/20 <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0289.html> ** [Bug 12919] New: I am running chrome 12.0.742.68 beta-m and the details element is working <http
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  37. # [01:38] <pimpbot> planet: Tobias Leingruber: Demoparty in Boston with @party <http://mozillalabs.com/blog/2011/06/demoparty-in-boston-with-aparty/>
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  53. # [05:11] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12915] Accept Arabic and Persian Unicode digits in <input type=number> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0290.html>
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  61. # [07:42] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12854] I am quite surprised to see that things such as the list of allowed values for the "rel" attribute of the "link" tag (aka. the list of link types) as well as the list of allowed values for the "name" attribute of the "meta" tag are supposed to be listed o <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0291.html>
  62. # [08:18] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * 78009fa862ca r6199 / (index complete.html source): [giow] (2) Specify legacy window.status (which does nothing and always returns the empty string, for historical reasons)
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  64. # [08:42] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12915] Accept Arabic and Persian Unicode digits in <input type=number> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0293.html> ** [Bug 12199] Step 4.4 "For each character ..." -> It must operate on a sequence of characters, not on a character. Otherwise it would generate overlong form when the encoding is stateful (e.g. consider ISO-2022-JP's escape sequences). <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugz
  65. # [08:49] <Hixie> MikeSmith: yt?
  66. # [09:03] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * 65d20f975720 r6200 / (index complete.html source): [e] (0) apply chair revert request
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  68. # [09:12] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12921] New: Make caretBlinkRate a property not a method <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0298.html> ** [Bug 12920] Move caretBlinkRate from canvas context to a navigator interface <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0297.html> ** [Bug 12906] Canvas should not pretend that it can be used to replace some input elements <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html
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  73. # [09:42] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12922] Allow privacy exemption for caretBlinkRate <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0300.html> ** [Bug 12922] New: Allow privacy exemption for caretBlinkRate <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0299.html>
  74. # [10:12] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12923] Setting a reflecting attribute of type HTMLElement to something with no ID should set content attribute to empty string <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0302.html> ** [Bug 12923] New: Setting a reflecting attribute of type HTMLElement to something with no ID should set content attribute to empty string <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0301.html>
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  91. # [15:13] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12175] <video> the order of the loadedmetadata, loadeddata and suspend event is not defined <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0313.html> ** [Bug 12897] UTF-8 BOM should trump users and/or HTTP (Encoding sniffing algorithm) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0312.html> ** [Bug 11981] <video> There's a race condition with autoplay if the autoplay attribute is removed in
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  98. # [17:14] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12925] New: in the 1st example 3 'hr' are used like an anonymous 'h#' => 'hr' should move to 4.4. The final 'hr' is of a different kind and wouldn't be there if we had lists ('dl' here) nested inside 'p'. The second example is mostly like the first three 'hr', i.e. a <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0315.html> ** [Bug 12885] Add a new input type=numeric <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-
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  102. # [17:42] <pimpbot> planet: Tantek: CSS 2.1 and CSS3 Color become W3C Recommendations – A Few Open Web Standards Practices Learned <http://tantek.com/2011/160/b1/css-2-1-css3-w3c-open-web-standards-practices-learned>
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  120. # [18:04] <rubys1> trackbot, start meeting
  121. # [18:04] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference
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  123. # [18:04] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/06/09-html-wg-irc
  124. # [18:05] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  125. # [18:05] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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  127. # [18:05] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
  128. # [18:05] <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
  129. # [18:05] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  130. # [18:05] <trackbot> Date: 09 June 2011
  131. # [18:05] <Zakim> +Sam
  132. # [18:05] <Julian> Zakim, who's on the phone?
  133. # [18:05] <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.251.280.aaaa, [Microsoft], [Microsoft.a], Cynthia_Shelly, Sam
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  135. # [18:06] <Julian> Zakim, +1.251.280.aaaa is me
  136. # [18:06] <Zakim> +Julian; got it
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  139. # [18:06] <Zakim> +Radhika_Roy
  140. # [18:06] * plh zakim, call plh-work
  141. # [18:06] * Zakim ok, plh; the call is being made
  142. # [18:06] <Zakim> +Plh
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  144. # [18:07] <rubys> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2011AprJun/0019.html
  145. # [18:07] <pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2011-06-09 Action Items, New Calls, TF Reports, Revert Request from Sam Ruby on 2011-06-07 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from April to June 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
  146. # [18:07] <plh> scribe: plh
  147. # [18:07] <krisk> zakim, Microsoft.a is me
  148. # [18:07] <Zakim> +krisk; got it
  149. # [18:07] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  150. # [18:07] <paulc> Zakim, who is on the call?
  151. # [18:07] <Zakim> On the phone I see Julian, [Microsoft], krisk, Cynthia_Shelly, Sam, Radhika_Roy, Plh, [Microsoft.a]
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  154. # [18:08] <paulc> Not sure which [Microsoft] is paulc
  155. # [18:08] <plh> Topic: Action items
  156. # [18:08] <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft.a] is paulc
  157. # [18:08] <Zakim> +paulc; got it
  158. # [18:08] <plh> action-203?
  159. # [18:08] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-203
  160. # [18:08] <trackbot> ACTION-203 -- Steve Faulkner to develop a usable LC comment form -- due 2011-06-09 -- OPEN
  161. # [18:08] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/203
  162. # [18:08] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-203: Develop a usable LC comment form - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  163. # [18:09] <plh> Sam: there are people working on this, with Mike and Steve
  164. # [18:09] <plh> ... recommendation is to close the item since we don't have a firm date
  165. # [18:09] <plh> ... any objection?
  166. # [18:09] <eliot> zakim, who is on the phone?
  167. # [18:09] <Zakim> On the phone I see Julian, [Microsoft], krisk, Cynthia_Shelly, Sam, Radhika_Roy, Plh, paulc
  168. # [18:09] <plh> close action-203
  169. # [18:09] * trackbot attempting to close ACTION-203.
  170. # [18:09] <trackbot> ACTION-203 Develop a usable LC comment form closed
  171. # [18:09] <plh> Topic: New issues
  172. # [18:09] <eliot> zakim, microsoft has me
  173. # [18:09] <Zakim> +eliot; got it
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  175. # [18:09] <plh> Sam: none
  176. # [18:09] <plh> Topic: Items closed last week
  177. # [18:09] <plh> Sam: none
  178. # [18:09] <plh> Topic: Items closing this week
  179. # [18:10] <plh> Sam: none
  180. # [18:10] <plh> Topic: Items closing next week
  181. # [18:10] <plh> Sam: we have a call for Consensus: publish HTML5 Edition for Web Authors as a FPWD
  182. # [18:10] <Zakim> +??P57
  183. # [18:10] <plh> ... we have some objections that we need to work through
  184. # [18:10] <plh> Topic: New call this week
  185. # [18:10] <plh> Sam: issue-151
  186. # [18:11] <plh> issue-151?
  187. # [18:11] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-151
  188. # [18:11] <trackbot> ISSUE-151 -- Remove WhatWG and html5.org references in status section of document -- open
  189. # [18:11] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/151
  190. # [18:11] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-151: Remove WhatWG and html5.org references in status section of document - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  191. # [18:11] <plh> sam: this closes by July 8
  192. # [18:11] <plh> ... we already received one additional proposal
  193. # [18:11] <plh> Sam: issue -165
  194. # [18:11] <plh> issue-165?
  195. # [18:11] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-165
  196. # [18:11] <trackbot> ISSUE-165 -- Drop rel=pingback -- raised
  197. # [18:11] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/165
  198. # [18:11] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-165: Drop rel=pingback - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  199. # [18:11] <plh> sam: this closes by July 8 as well
  200. # [18:11] <plh> sam: and finally the call for consensus previously discussed
  201. # [18:12] <plh> sam: questions? comments?
  202. # [18:12] <plh> [none heard]
  203. # [18:12] <plh> Topic: new survey this week
  204. # [18:12] <plh> Sam: none
  205. # [18:12] <plh> Topic: Decisions this week
  206. # [18:12] <plh> Sam: none
  207. # [18:12] <plh> Topic: Testing Task Force report
  208. # [18:12] <plh> Kris: met last week as planned.
  209. # [18:12] <krisk> Notes -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2011Jun/0012.html
  210. # [18:12] <pimpbot> Title: RE: HTML Testing Task Force Conf Call Agenda 5/31/2011 from Kris Krueger on 2011-06-09 (public-html-testsuite@w3.org from June 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
  211. # [18:13] <plh> Kris: don't have new bugs on tests
  212. # [18:13] <plh> ... also discussion on release of test suite. using a branch or tag. we'll use tags
  213. # [18:13] <plh> ... we also approved the reflection tests
  214. # [18:13] <plh> ... from Aryeh
  215. # [18:13] <krisk> http://w3c-test.org/html/tests/submission/AryehGregor/reflection/reflection-metadata.html
  216. # [18:13] <pimpbot> Title: HTML5 reflection tests: metadata elements (at w3c-test.org)
  217. # [18:14] <plh> ... also some discussion on infrastructure stuff but not related to the html wg specifically
  218. # [18:14] <plh> sam: questions?
  219. # [18:14] <plh> [none heard]
  220. # [18:14] <plh> Topic: Accessibility Task Force report
  221. # [18:14] <plh> Janina: lots of efforts to organize a very thorough read of HTML5 LC
  222. # [18:14] <plh> ... reaching beyond our immediate circle of individuals
  223. # [18:15] <plh> ... putting a bit of effort into organizing that
  224. # [18:15] <plh> ... we have a wiki page on it
  225. # [18:15] <plh> ... we'll collect comments
  226. # [18:15] <plh> ... the canvas group is on hold while Rich is on vacation. back next week
  227. # [18:15] <plh> ... media group very active
  228. # [18:15] <plh> ... making progress on a few last issues
  229. # [18:15] <plh> ... how to handle any kind of text based video descriptions
  230. # [18:16] <plh> ... involved text-to-speech interfaces
  231. # [18:16] <plh> ... video descriptions go in the section of the video with no dialog, along may need to pause/resume the video
  232. # [18:16] <plh> ... not sure about the impact on the spec
  233. # [18:16] <plh> ... looks it will affect the API
  234. # [18:16] <plh> ... other areas
  235. # [18:17] <plh> ... hierarchical navigation
  236. # [18:17] <plh> ... discussed the 3GPP request
  237. # [18:17] <plh> ... they're requesting URN
  238. # [18:17] <plh> ... we'd like a consistent way of referring to those things
  239. # [18:17] <plh> ... seems like w3c doesn't do urns
  240. # [18:17] <plh> ... some action items from yesterday on that front
  241. # [18:18] <plh> sam: questions? comments?
  242. # [18:18] <plh> [none heard]
  243. # [18:18] <plh> Topic: other business
  244. # [18:18] <plh> Sam: we had a revert request, which has been applied
  245. # [18:18] <rubys> http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=6200&to=6201
  246. # [18:18] <plh> ... for r6145
  247. # [18:18] <pimpbot> Title: HTML5 Tracker (at html5.org)
  248. # [18:19] <plh> Topic: scribe for next meeting
  249. # [18:19] <plh> Paul: who's chairing?
  250. # [18:19] <plh> Sam: I believe it will be Maciej's turn to chair
  251. # [18:19] <plh> Paul: I'll volunteer to scribe
  252. # [18:20] <plh> [adjourned]
  253. # [18:20] <Zakim> -Julian
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  256. # [18:20] <Zakim> -Plh
  257. # [18:20] <Zakim> -krisk
  258. # [18:20] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  259. # [18:20] <Zakim> -Radhika_Roy
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  263. # [18:20] <plh> zakim, list attendees
  264. # [18:20] <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Cynthia_Shelly, Sam, Julian, Radhika_Roy, Plh, krisk, paulc, eliot
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  267. # [18:20] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/06/09-html-wg-minutes.html plh
  268. # [18:20] <krisk> r
  269. # [18:21] <plh> Chair: Sam
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  272. # [18:21] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/06/09-html-wg-minutes.html plh
  273. # [18:21] <pimpbot> Title: HTML Weekly Teleconference -- 09 Jun 2011 (at www.w3.org)
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  276. # [19:04] <Zakim> -paulc
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  278. # [19:18] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * 0c39b2a11ba7 r6204 / (source complete.html): [e] (0) provide a hook for other specs
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  281. # [19:37] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  282. # [19:37] <Zakim> Attendees were Cynthia_Shelly, Sam, Julian, Radhika_Roy, Plh, krisk, paulc, eliot
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  288. # [20:15] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12790] Polyglot markup: WWW usecases + "alternative solutions that have been identified" <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0324.html> ** [Bug 12725] Document should be on the Note-track <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0323.html> ** "[Bug 12885] Add a new input type=numeric" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/
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  293. # [20:33] <CIA-1> html-spec: [giow] (2) Add requirements for how to express file names in formdata
  294. # [20:33] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11452
  295. # [20:33] <pimpbot> 11452: contributor, P3, RESOLVED FIXED, 4.10.22.5.5. should describe how to send the filename when the field is a file field. It should send the filename as "filename" parameter and its character encoding must be _charset_.
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  300. # [20:45] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12927] New: Define what "content attribute's document" means <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0330.html> ** [Bug 12926] The phrase "in a Document" is not consistently used in the specification <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0329.html> ** "[Bug 11452] 4.10.22.5.5. should describe how to send the filename when the field is a file field. It should send the filename
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