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  6. # [00:24] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12952] remove typemustmatch <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0556.html>
  7. # [00:54] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12957] Is it possible to supply new semantic tag, just like <img>, <canvas> and <audio>, to support view and edit ODF document or PDF document in brower? These document formats are widely used. We hope they can be manipulated in brower directly with the help of <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0559.html> ** [Bug 12950] Require Byte-Order Mark (BOM) in UTF-8 encoded pages <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/P
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  12. # [01:19] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * cd6857929e07 r6234 / (index complete.html source): [giow] (1) Define the serialisation requirments for type=datetime.
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  14. # [01:24] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12418] <video> "dispatched when" for seeking event is out of sync with normative text <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0564.html> ** [Bug 12417] HTML5 is missing attribute for specifying translatability of content <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0563.html> ** "[Bug 12414] Does the srclang imply a lang attribute for the track element? If that's the idea, please say
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  17. # [01:34] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * 805cc771f945 r6235 / (index complete.html source):
  18. # [01:34] <CIA-1> html-spec: [e] (0) show best practice use of 'lang' attribute
  19. # [01:34] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12414
  20. # [01:34] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * bf447756dc53 r6236 / (index complete.html source):
  21. # [01:34] <CIA-1> html-spec: [e] (0) Correctness.
  22. # [01:34] <pimpbot> 12414: contributor, P3, RESOLVED FIXED, Does the srclang imply a lang attribute for the track element? If that's the idea, please say it explicitly. Otherwise, please add lang attributes to the example of a video element with track attributes, as the label attribute values should have their lan
  23. # [01:34] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12418
  24. # [01:34] <pimpbot> 12418: contributor, P3, RESOLVED FIXED, <video> "dispatched when" for seeking event is out of sync with normative text
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  35. # [01:54] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12935] <rt> should not auto-close ancestors <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0569.html> ** [Bug 12950] Require Byte-Order Mark (BOM) in UTF-8 encoded pages <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0568.html> ** [Bug 12948] New feature request: GROUP tag What I'd like to achieve in HTML is to easily access a group of elements via Javascript using a single parent element (GR
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  39. # [02:04] <CIA-1> html-spec: [e] (0) Correctness
  40. # [02:04] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12419
  41. # [02:04] <pimpbot> 12419: contributor, P3, RESOLVED FIXED, According to the spec, the term “Garage Door Opener”, not “GDO” is being defined in the example.
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  49. # [02:24] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12962] Typographic Conventions not implemented as portably as they could be <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0573.html> ** "[Bug 12419] According to the spec, the term “Garage Door Opener”, not “GDO” is being defined in the example." (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0572.html> ** "[Bug 12935] <rt> should not auto-close anc
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  57. # [03:24] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12935] <rt> should not auto-close ancestors <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0574.html>
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  62. # [03:55] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12963] New: hola no se k es un feedakv <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0576.html> ** [Bug 12950] Require Byte-Order Mark (BOM) in UTF-8 encoded pages <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0575.html>
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  72. # [04:25] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12964] New: <video>: Declarative linking of full-text transcripts to video and audio elements <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0577.html>
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  81. # [04:55] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12964] <video>: Declarative linking of full-text transcripts to video and audio elements <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0578.html>
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  91. # [05:51] <pimpbot> planet: cjones: Overview of pdf.js guts <http://blog.mozilla.com/cjones/2011/06/15/overview-of-pdf-js-guts/> ** Planet Opera: Karl Dubost: Velocity 2011 - Mobile Web and HTML5 Performance Optimization <http://my.opera.com/karlcow/blog/show.dml/31342222>
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  93. # [05:55] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12410] fillText needs stricter definitions so that it's 100% uniform <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0579.html>
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  102. # [07:04] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * 3e11a27db5c7 r6238 / (index complete.html source): [e] (0) Try to clarify this by switching the order around.
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  105. # [08:56] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 12966] Why the { items: [item, ...] } when the object has only one property?" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0582.html> ** [Bug 12966] New: Why the { items: [item, ...] } when the object has only property? <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0580.html>
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  110. # [09:26] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12967] New: I feel this part is not clear enough. When should the developers call update()? Should they call update() before swapCache()? Must swapCache() be called before reload? I've tried that even without calling swapCache(), once manifest changed, the file will <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0583.html>
  111. # [09:34] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * fdb6cf23142e r6239 / (index complete.html source): [e] (0) update the intro
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  116. # [10:54] <CIA-1> validator: Michael[tm] Smith <mike@w3.org> * faf3698e1913 r652 syntax/relaxng/embed.rnc:
  117. # [10:54] <CIA-1> validator: Add <iframe srcdoc="...">. b=842.
  118. # [10:54] <CIA-1> validator: Thanks Bertil Wennergren.
  119. # [10:56] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12968] New: Bad value revisit-after for attribute name on element meta: Keyword revisit-after is not registered <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0585.html> ** [Bug 12964] <video>: Declarative linking of full-text transcripts to video and audio elements <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0584.html>
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  121. # [11:26] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12299] The (normative and non-normative) assertion that tokenlist.item(index) / tokenlist[index] returns null for index>=length appears to be in conflict with WebIDL, at least for the index property case; afaict WebIDL requires that index property getters throw <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0587.html> ** [Bug 12968] Bad value revisit-after for attribute name on element meta: Keyword revisit-after is no
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  123. # [11:52] <pimpbot> planet: Bruce: Modal dialogues in HTML5 <http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/2011/modal-dialogues-in-html5/>
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  128. # [13:57] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12964] <video>: Declarative linking of full-text transcripts to video and audio elements <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0589.html> ** [Bug 12935] <rt> should not auto-close ancestors <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0588.html>
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  139. # [15:48] <FraSpi83> hello w
  140. # [15:57] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12968] Bad value revisit-after for attribute name on element meta: Keyword revisit-after is not registered <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0591.html> ** [Bug 12925] in the 1st example 3 'hr' are used like an anonymous 'h#' => 'hr' should move to 4.4. The final 'hr' is of a different kind and wouldn't be there if we had lists ('dl' here) nested inside 'p'. The second example is mostly like the first three
  141. # [16:06] <FraSpi83> test hello W
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  143. # [16:14] <FraSpi83> ,
  144. # [16:27] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12935] <rt> should not auto-close ancestors <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0592.html>
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  156. # [18:00] <paulc> Good morning, sam.
  157. # [18:01] <rubys> trackbot, start meeting
  158. # [18:01] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference
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  160. # [18:01] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/06/16-html-wg-irc
  161. # [18:01] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  162. # [18:01] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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  164. # [18:01] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
  165. # [18:01] <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()12:00PM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
  166. # [18:01] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  167. # [18:01] <trackbot> Date: 16 June 2011
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  169. # [18:02] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has now started
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  171. # [18:02] <Zakim> +Sam
  172. # [18:02] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  173. # [18:02] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  174. # [18:02] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  175. # [18:02] <Zakim> +dsinger
  176. # [18:02] * dsinger_ zakim, mute dsinger
  177. # [18:02] * Zakim dsinger should now be muted
  178. # [18:02] <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
  179. # [18:02] <Zakim> +paulc; got it
  180. # [18:02] <rubys> chair: paulc
  181. # [18:02] <rubys> scribenick: rubys
  182. # [18:03] <dsinger_> zakim, who is here?
  183. # [18:03] <Zakim> On the phone I see [Microsoft], Sam, dsinger (muted)
  184. # [18:03] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc
  185. # [18:03] <Zakim> On IRC I see Julian, dsinger_, Zakim, RRSAgent, rubys, paulc, dveditz, jsoref, MikeSmith, davidb, plh, Martijnc, cjones, Lachy, webben, Dashiva, jmb, CIA-1, arronei, jgraham,
  186. # [18:03] <Zakim> ... gavin_, krijnh, pingo, Lutoma, shepazu_away, heycam|away, trackbot, inimino, [tm], Philip, gsnedders, hober, pimpbot, hsivonen, ed, Hixie
  187. # [18:03] <rubys> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2011AprJun/0021.html
  188. # [18:03] <pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2011-06-16 CfC status, Call status, New Information status from Paul Cotton on 2011-06-15 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from April to June 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
  189. # [18:03] <Zakim> + +1.251.280.aaaa
  190. # [18:03] <Julian> Zakim, +1.251.280.aaaa is me
  191. # [18:03] <Zakim> +Julian; got it
  192. # [18:05] <Zakim> +[Apple]
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  196. # [18:06] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  197. # [18:06] <dsinger_> Zakim, I assume apple has mjs
  198. # [18:06] <Zakim> I don't understand 'I assume apple has mjs', dsinger_
  199. # [18:07] <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft.a] has adrianba
  200. # [18:07] <Zakim> +adrianba; got it
  201. # [18:07] <adrianba> ScribeNick: adrianba
  202. # [18:07] <adrianba> Scribe: Adrian Bateman
  203. # [18:07] <adrianba> Chair: Paul Cotton
  204. # [18:07] <adrianba> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2011AprJun/0021.html
  205. # [18:07] <pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2011-06-16 CfC status, Call status, New Information status from Paul Cotton on 2011-06-15 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from April to June 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
  206. # [18:07] <adrianba> Regrets+ Eliot_Graff
  207. # [18:08] <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike
  208. # [18:08] <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
  209. # [18:08] <Zakim> +Mike
  210. # [18:08] <paulc> Zakim, who is on the call?
  211. # [18:08] <Zakim> On the phone I see [Microsoft], Sam, dsinger (muted), Julian, [Apple], [Microsoft.a], Mike
  212. # [18:08] <Zakim> [Microsoft.a] has adrianba
  213. # [18:08] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc
  214. # [18:08] <Zakim> +??P15
  215. # [18:08] * Joins: janina (janina@71.191.146.49)
  216. # [18:09] <MikeSmith> Zakim, Mike is me
  217. # [18:09] <Zakim> +MikeSmith; got it
  218. # [18:09] <janina> zakim, who's here?
  219. # [18:09] <Zakim> On the phone I see [Microsoft], Sam, dsinger (muted), Julian, [Apple], [Microsoft.a], MikeSmith, ??P15
  220. # [18:09] <Zakim> [Microsoft.a] has adrianba
  221. # [18:09] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc
  222. # [18:09] <Zakim> On IRC I see janina, adrianba, nonge, mjs, Julian, dsinger_, Zakim, RRSAgent, rubys, paulc, dveditz, jsoref, MikeSmith, davidb, plh, Martijnc, cjones, Lachy, webben, Dashiva, jmb,
  223. # [18:09] <Zakim> ... CIA-1, arronei, jgraham, gavin_, krijnh, pingo, Lutoma, shepazu_away, heycam|away, trackbot, inimino, [tm], Philip, gsnedders, hober, pimpbot, hsivonen, ed, Hixie
  224. # [18:09] <rubys> topic: ACTION items due by Thursday, June 16
  225. # [18:09] <rubys> paulc: none
  226. # [18:09] <adrianba> ScribeNick:rubys
  227. # [18:09] <janina> zakim, ??P15 is Janina
  228. # [18:09] <Zakim> +Janina; got it
  229. # [18:10] <adrianba> Scribe: Sam Ruby
  230. # [18:10] <rubys> topic: New Issues This Week
  231. # [18:10] <Zakim> +hober
  232. # [18:11] <rubys> paulc: there are two TrackerRequests that will likely be converted to issues; this does not require chairs to do that
  233. # [18:11] <rubys> paulc: in all likelihood, the chairs will move to a call for change proposals
  234. # [18:11] <rubys> topic: Items Closed Last Week
  235. # [18:11] <rubys> paulc: none
  236. # [18:11] <rubys> topic: Items Closing This Week
  237. # [18:12] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Jun/0092.html
  238. # [18:12] <pimpbot> Title: CfC: Publish HTML5 Edition for Web Authors as First Public Working Draft from Sam Ruby on 2011-06-07 (public-html@w3.org from June 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
  239. # [18:12] * plh apologizes but cannot join the call today
  240. # [18:12] <rubys> paulc: although it has been published, it has never been published as a public working draft
  241. # [18:12] <Julian> q+
  242. # [18:12] * Zakim sees Julian on the speaker queue
  243. # [18:12] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Jun/0195.html
  244. # [18:12] <pimpbot> Title: CfC addendum: Status wording for HTML5 Edition for Web Authors from Maciej Stachowiak on 2011-06-14 (public-html@w3.org from June 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
  245. # [18:13] * Julian nods
  246. # [18:13] <rubys> paulc: maciej sent out two options, and so far we have input that some can't live with option 2
  247. # [18:13] <rubys> paulc: the chairs will likely process this item on monday
  248. # [18:13] <rubys> ack j
  249. # [18:13] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  250. # [18:13] <paulc> ack julian
  251. # [18:13] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  252. # [18:13] <rubys> julian: will we make any effort to make the content of the author spec consistent with the last call spec?
  253. # [18:14] <MikeSmith> q+ to say yeah, doable
  254. # [18:14] * Zakim sees MikeSmith on the speaker queue
  255. # [18:14] <rubys> paulc: mike has been traveling so we haven't been able to close this, but he has said that it was generated from an incorrect version
  256. # [18:15] <Julian> +1 on both
  257. # [18:15] <rubys> paulc: furthermore, it is our intent to make it look like a working draft (frontmatter, status, etc)
  258. # [18:15] <rubys> ack M
  259. # [18:15] <Zakim> MikeSmith, you wanted to say yeah, doable
  260. # [18:15] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  261. # [18:16] <rubys> MikeSmith: I've been with unpredictable connectivity, the fact the documents were out of sync was not intentional
  262. # [18:17] <rubys> MikeSmith: it is easy enough to do
  263. # [18:17] <rubys> MikeSmith: as to style, we probably will need to do that, but part of the intent is to make it more author friendly, and the standard W3C style is not particularly friendly.... but we are likely to be stuck with that
  264. # [18:18] <rubys> MikeSmith: this may make some more happy and some less happy, but I can get that work done
  265. # [18:18] <Julian> can't we improve the style consistently for both?
  266. # [18:18] <MikeSmith> Julian, yeah, wish we could, but that's a bigger fish to fry
  267. # [18:18] <rubys> paulc: we want to thank you for doing all of the heavy lifting for the publication cycle; it takes a lot of work to produce 9 docs
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  269. # [18:19] * Julian thanks Mike; I *do* understand the work involved in publishing many drafs at once :-)
  270. # [18:19] <MikeSmith> :)
  271. # [18:19] <rubys> topic: Items Closing Next Week
  272. # [18:19] <rubys> issue-30?
  273. # [18:19] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-30
  274. # [18:19] <trackbot> ISSUE-30 -- Should HTML 5 include a longdesc attribute for images -- open
  275. # [18:19] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/30
  276. # [18:19] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-30: Should HTML 5 include a longdesc attribute for images - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  277. # [18:20] <rubys> paulc: call for counter proposals closes on the 25th... a week saturday
  278. # [18:20] <rubys> issue-133?
  279. # [18:20] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-133
  280. # [18:20] <trackbot> ISSUE-133 -- Add a modal attribute to html5 to indicate a modal segment of the DOM (modal dialog) -- open
  281. # [18:20] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/133
  282. # [18:20] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-133: Add a modal attribute to html5 to indicate a modal segment of the DOM (modal dialog) - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  283. # [18:20] <rubys> paulc: call for counter proposals also closes on the 25th
  284. # [18:20] <rubys> issue-153?
  285. # [18:20] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-153
  286. # [18:20] <trackbot> ISSUE-153 -- link type "external" either not useful or underspecified -- raised
  287. # [18:20] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/153
  288. # [18:20] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-153: link type "external" either not useful or underspecified - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  289. # [18:20] <rubys> paulc: call for proposals due June 25
  290. # [18:20] <rubys> issue-154?
  291. # [18:20] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-154
  292. # [18:20] <trackbot> ISSUE-154 -- "sidebar" might not be a proper use of a link relation -- raised
  293. # [18:20] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/154
  294. # [18:20] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-154: "sidebar" might not be a proper use of a link relation - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  295. # [18:21] <rubys> paulc: call for proposals due June 25
  296. # [18:21] <Julian> I will
  297. # [18:21] <rubys> paulc: who on the call is actively working on these items?
  298. # [18:21] <rubys> ted: I'm looking into doing a change proposal for issue 133; might be a zero edit proposal; I may ask for an extension
  299. # [18:22] <rubys> paulc: please respond on the mailing list
  300. # [18:22] <rubys> ted: will do
  301. # [18:22] <Julian> I will work on CPs for ISSUE-153 and ISSUE-154 (which will be similar)
  302. # [18:22] <rubys> paulc: responding on the mailing list will reduce duplicate work
  303. # [18:22] * hober rubys: s/ted/hober/ :)
  304. # [18:23] <rubys> s/ted/hober/
  305. # [18:23] <rubys> paulc: did you respond on the list?
  306. # [18:23] <rubys> julian: I will do that
  307. # [18:24] <rubys> paulc: if people need extensions, we encourage these requests to be made in advance
  308. # [18:24] * Julian just sent the mails
  309. # [18:24] <rubys> paulc: we now have volunteers for all four calls
  310. # [18:24] <rubys> topic: New Calls this week
  311. # [18:24] <rubys> paulc: none
  312. # [18:25] <rubys> topic: New Surveys this week
  313. # [18:25] <rubys> paulc: none
  314. # [18:25] <rubys> topic: Decisions this week
  315. # [18:25] <rubys> paulc: None
  316. # [18:25] <rubys> topic: Other Business
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  318. # [18:25] <rubys> http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/new-information-status.html
  319. # [18:25] <pimpbot> Title: New Information Status (at dev.w3.org)
  320. # [18:25] <Julian> q+ to talk about http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12952 which has TrackerRequest keyword
  321. # [18:25] * Zakim sees Julian on the speaker queue
  322. # [18:25] <pimpbot> 12952: shelleyp, P3, RESOLVED WONTFIX, remove typemustmatch
  323. # [18:25] <Zakim> +[Apple.a]
  324. # [18:25] <dsinger> zakim, [apple.a] has dsinger
  325. # [18:25] <Zakim> +dsinger; got it
  326. # [18:26] <Zakim> -dsinger
  327. # [18:26] <rubys> paulc: can anybody give us status on any of the particular items?
  328. # [18:26] <rubys> paulc: several of these are worked on by a11y subteams... janina can you provide status?
  329. # [18:26] <rubys> janina: yes
  330. # [18:26] <rubys> issue-31?
  331. # [18:26] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-31
  332. # [18:26] <trackbot> ISSUE-31 -- Author conformance requirements for the alt attribute on images -- closed
  333. # [18:26] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/31
  334. # [18:26] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-31: Author conformance requirements for the alt attribute on images - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  335. # [18:27] <rubys> paulc: there were two items on this issue
  336. # [18:27] <rubys> paulc: first was "Adopt the REQUIREMENTS portion of the "Provide detailed instructions and examples for doing so to all readers of the HTML specification."
  337. # [18:27] <rubys> paulc: "The presence of <meta name=generator> makes missing alt conforming"
  338. # [18:28] <rubys> janina: don't know of any discussion on the first one, we do have intent to clean up Leif's change proposal and submit it.
  339. # [18:28] <rubys> paulc: which subgroup?
  340. # [18:28] <rubys> janina: text subteam
  341. # [18:28] <rubys> paulc: can you take this one back to the a11y TF?
  342. # [18:28] <rubys> janina: will do
  343. # [18:29] <rubys> issue-32?
  344. # [18:29] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-32
  345. # [18:29] <trackbot> ISSUE-32 -- how to provide a summary of a table, e.g. for unsighted navigation? -- closed
  346. # [18:29] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/32
  347. # [18:29] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-32: how to provide a summary of a table, e.g. for unsighted navigation? - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  348. # [18:29] <rubys> janina: we have found others to pick this item back up
  349. # [18:29] <rubys> janina: again, the text subteam
  350. # [18:29] <rubys> issue-56?
  351. # [18:29] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-56
  352. # [18:29] <trackbot> ISSUE-56 -- Bring "URLs" section/definition and IRI specification in alignment. -- closed
  353. # [18:29] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/56
  354. # [18:29] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-56: Bring "URLs" section/definition and IRI specification in alignment. - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  355. # [18:30] <rubys> paulc: does anyone on the call know the status of this?
  356. # [18:31] <rubys> julian: the IRI wg has a new co-chair, but I don't know if this has produced any concrete action yet
  357. # [18:31] <rubys> paulc: I believe that the IRI WG wants to decrease the difference between the IRI spec and the HTML5 spec
  358. # [18:31] <rubys> issue-80?
  359. # [18:31] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-80
  360. # [18:31] <trackbot> ISSUE-80 -- document conformance and device dependent display of title attribute content -- closed
  361. # [18:31] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/80
  362. # [18:31] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-80: document conformance and device dependent display of title attribute content - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  363. # [18:32] <rubys> janina: this is from the text subteam, the proposal from Steve Faulkner is the one from the subteam
  364. # [18:32] <rubys> paulc: we have two, one from Steve and one from Leif
  365. # [18:32] <rubys> paulc: it would be helpful to converge on one within the subteam
  366. # [18:33] <rubys> issue-120?
  367. # [18:33] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-120
  368. # [18:33] <trackbot> ISSUE-120 -- Use of prefixes is too complicated for a Web technology -- closed
  369. # [18:33] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/120
  370. # [18:33] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-120: Use of prefixes is too complicated for a Web technology - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  371. # [18:33] <rubys> paulc: does anyone know if they are continuing to work on this?
  372. # [18:33] <rubys> paulc: will mark that one for the chairs to follow up on
  373. # [18:33] <rubys> issue-131?
  374. # [18:33] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-131
  375. # [18:33] <trackbot> ISSUE-131 -- Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? -- closed
  376. # [18:33] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131
  377. # [18:33] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-131: Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  378. # [18:34] <rubys> paulc: we have one change proposal from Richard
  379. # [18:34] <rubys> janina: the canvas subteam is working on this
  380. # [18:34] <rubys> janina: I don't know what the current status is
  381. # [18:34] <rubys> issue-142?
  382. # [18:34] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-142
  383. # [18:34] <trackbot> ISSUE-142 -- No alternative text description for video key frame (poster) -- closed
  384. # [18:34] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/142
  385. # [18:34] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-142: No alternative text description for video key frame (poster) - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  386. # [18:35] <rubys> janina: this is the media subteam... we have a markup proposal
  387. # [18:35] <rubys> janina: we are trying to think this through end to end
  388. # [18:36] <rubys> janina: I have an action item to get some people into a meeting next week
  389. # [18:36] <rubys> paulc: good sign that you are making progress
  390. # [18:36] <rubys> issue-155?
  391. # [18:36] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-155
  392. # [18:36] <trackbot> ISSUE-155 -- make <table border="1" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0"> conforming -- closed
  393. # [18:36] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/155
  394. # [18:36] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-155: make conforming - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  395. # [18:37] <rubys> paulc: this came from Tab.... I haven't seen any progress... anybody know what the status is?
  396. # [18:37] <rubys> janina: the text subteam will look into this
  397. # [18:37] <rubys> mjs: Given what he said, I'm not sure that tab intends to produce a reopen request on this one
  398. # [18:37] <rubys> paulc: the chairs will follow up with Tab
  399. # [18:38] <rubys> paulc: I'll explicity copy janina on the status
  400. # [18:39] <rubys> paulc: you have a lot of items, we encourage you to spring loose as many as you can as early as possible
  401. # [18:39] <rubys> paulc: any other items?
  402. # [18:40] <rubys> janina: one more on issue-31 dealing with figcaption.... we generally agree with the decision, but there are other specific cases where figcaption is not acceptable as a fallback (e.g. in epub and scientific pubs).
  403. # [18:41] <rubys> paulc: it either is a reconsider or a new bug
  404. # [18:41] <rubys> janina: we will raise it more broadly on the WG lists
  405. # [18:42] <rubys> paulc: once we see it on the list, we will start to track it
  406. # [18:42] <rubys> paulc: this discussion has been useful, and the chairs will follow up on the remaining two items
  407. # [18:42] <Julian> q?
  408. # [18:42] * Zakim sees Julian on the speaker queue
  409. # [18:42] <rubys> ack j
  410. # [18:42] <Zakim> Julian, you wanted to talk about http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12952 which has TrackerRequest keyword
  411. # [18:42] <pimpbot> 12952: shelleyp, P3, RESOLVED WONTFIX, remove typemustmatch
  412. # [18:42] <paulc> ack Julian
  413. # [18:42] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  414. # [18:42] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  415. # [18:43] <rubys> julian: we can avoid having this one be a tracker item if it is reverted
  416. # [18:44] <rubys> paulc: the chairs will look into this...we are working on the decision policy
  417. # [18:44] <rubys> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12935
  418. # [18:44] <pimpbot> 12935: bzbarsky, P2, RESOLVED WONTFIX, <rt> should not auto-close ancestors
  419. # [18:45] <rubys> rubys: the status on this one looks confused... TrackerRequest was added and removed
  420. # [18:46] <rubys> paulc: any other business?
  421. # [18:46] <rubys> topic: chair and scribe for next week
  422. # [18:46] <rubys> mjs: I will chair next week
  423. # [18:46] <rubys> paulc: volunteer to scribe?
  424. # [18:46] <rubys> paulc: I'll scribe
  425. # [18:47] <rubys> topic: adjournment
  426. # [18:47] <rubys> paulc: we are adjourned
  427. # [18:47] <rubys> rrsagent, publish minutes
  428. # [18:47] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/06/16-html-wg-minutes.html rubys
  429. # [18:47] <Zakim> -Sam
  430. # [18:47] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
  431. # [18:47] <Zakim> -Julian
  432. # [18:47] <Zakim> -MikeSmith
  433. # [18:47] <Zakim> -hober
  434. # [18:47] <Zakim> -Janina
  435. # [18:47] <Zakim> -[Apple.a]
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  440. # [18:49] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
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  442. # [18:49] <Zakim> Attendees were Sam, dsinger, paulc, Julian, [Apple], [Microsoft], adrianba, MikeSmith, Janina, hober
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  447. # [18:58] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 12935] <rt> should not auto-close ancestors" (4 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0595.html>
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  452. # [19:28] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12963] hola no se k es un feedakv <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0602.html> ** "[Bug 12935] <rt> should not auto-close ancestors" (2 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0601.html> ** [Bug 12949] click() shouldn't have special powers over dispatching click event manually <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0599.htm
  453. # [19:58] <pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 12949] click() shouldn't have special powers over dispatching click event manually" (3 messages in thread) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0607.html> ** [Bug 12973] New: The IDL parts in this section contain what I believe to be non-valid WebIDL, specifically "Element?" and "object?" - both interface types and object are already nullable, so the ? is invalid. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/publ
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  459. # [20:19] <CIA-1> html-spec: [giow] (1) Make textarea and input consistent. (Interop here is a disaster currently, so we can change this with impunity.)
  460. # [20:19] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12423
  461. # [20:19] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * f29983f52246 r6241 / (index complete.html source): [e] (0) typo
  462. # [20:19] <pimpbot> 12423: contributor, P3, RESOLVED FIXED, Setting .value on a textarea should set the dirty flag to true
  463. # [20:29] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12901] Keep up the great work... One suggestion. Could you please align the Microdata part of the spec with Microformats and/or RDFa, instead of jnust defining yet another random markup. It would be really helpful for alot of developers who have invested time an <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0620.html> ** [Bug 12429] Should cloning properties preserve configurability, readonlyness, etc? <http://list
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  467. # [20:34] <CIA-1> html-spec: [e] (0) Apparently it isn't entirely clear that margins at the top and bottom of an element must be vertical margins.
  468. # [20:34] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12470
  469. # [20:34] <pimpbot> 12470: contributor, P3, RESOLVED FIXED, In the last paragraph, please add the word "vertical", since the intent is apparently that _vertical_ margins at the top or bottom of body, td, or th elements be collapsed to zero. That's what browsers do in quirks mode. But horizontal margins are honored
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  478. # [20:59] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12971] A lot of times, perhaps the majority of the time, authors use <em> or <strong> to make text italic or bold, when in fact the intention has nothing to do with emphasizing or strongly emphasizing the text. The result is terrible in aural browsers and extrem <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0632.html> ** "[Bug 12949] click() shouldn't have special powers over dispatching click event manually" (2 messa
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  482. # [21:55] <pimpbot> planet: Tantek: registration open @W2E NYC Oct 10-13 (I'm speaking on #HTML5) http://web2expo.com/webexny2011 25% discount: webny11pc2 <http://tantek.com/2011/167/t1/registration-w2e-nyc-html5-discount-code>
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  484. # [22:29] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10830] i18n comment : Please add support for rb <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0633.html>
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  495. # [23:29] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12948] New feature request: GROUP tag What I'd like to achieve in HTML is to easily access a group of elements via Javascript using a single parent element (GROUP). The GROUP element would not under any circumstance affect the layout of the page, and would not b <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0635.html> ** [Bug 12885] Add a new input type=numeric <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzi
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  499. # [23:49] <CIA-1> html-spec: [giow] (0) Clarify media fragment video track selection.
  500. # [23:49] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12364
  501. # [23:49] <pimpbot> 12364: contributor, P3, RESOLVED FIXED, <video> which is "the first selected video track"?
  502. # [23:49] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * 72398726128f r6244 / (index complete.html source): [e] (0) selectedIndex typos
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  504. # [23:49] <CIA-1> html-spec: [e] (0) index was missing 'muted'
  505. # [23:49] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12498
  506. # [23:49] <pimpbot> 12498: contributor, P3, RESOLVED FIXED, <audio> and <video> are missing muted="" in the element summary table
  507. # [23:59] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12547] <video> MEDIA CONTROLLER requires readyState for grouped multitrack <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0649.html> ** [Bug 12547] MEDIA CONTROLLER requires readyState for grouped multitrack <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jun/0648.html> ** [Bug 12546] <video> MEDIA CONTROLLER requires autoplay attribute for grouped multitrack <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Publi
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