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- # [00:34] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * 3d1c7c0f1d12 r6316 / (index complete.html source): [e] (0) consistency
- # [00:49] <pimpbot> planet: Fred: Mozilla’s mission is more than just Firefox <http://fredericiana.com/2011/07/20/mozillas-mission-is-more-than-just-firefox/>
- # [00:53] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: consistency (whatwg r6317) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Jul/0053.html>
- # [00:59] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13315] New: Join me in i need lots of what u know <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/0796.html> ** [Bug 13315] Join me in i need lots of what u know <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/0797.html>
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- # [03:34] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13312] After doing a bunch of reading, it appears to me that the crossorigin attribute was added to help WebGL on canvas. As far as I can tell, it is irrelevant when the img element is used in HTML (i.e., <img src="myPic.jpg">. If I am wrong, then could you pl <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/0798.html>
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- # [11:20] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12561] Add the @action in the <form> so that there is a way to submit to the same page <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/0799.html> ** [Bug 13314] Drop RDF conversion algorithm <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/0800.html>
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- # [14:27] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13240] Consider replacing <time> with <data> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/0801.html>
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- # [15:29] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13316] New: Higher document sizes - should it not be Larger document sizes? <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/0802.html>
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- # [18:02] <rubys> telecon will start in ~5 - 10 minutes; Maciej's bus is running late
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- # [18:04] <rubys> trackbot, start meeting
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- # [18:04] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
- # [18:04] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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- # [18:04] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
- # [18:04] <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
- # [18:04] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
- # [18:04] <trackbot> Date: 21 July 2011
- # [18:05] <rubys> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2011JulSep/0004.html
- # [18:05] <pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2011-07-21: Task Force reports, Last Call change control, Decision Policy from Maciej Stachowiak on 2011-07-20 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from July to September 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
- # [18:05] <janina> zakim, who's on the phone?
- # [18:05] <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.215.286.aaaa, [Apple], ??P32
- # [18:05] <Zakim> +Radhika_Roy
- # [18:05] <janina> zakim, ??P32 is Janina
- # [18:05] <Zakim> +Janina; got it
- # [18:05] <hober> Zakim, Apple has hober
- # [18:05] <Zakim> +hober; got it
- # [18:05] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
- # [18:05] <Zakim> +Sam
- # [18:05] <eliot> zakim, microsoft is me
- # [18:05] <Zakim> +eliot; got it
- # 06[18:05] * hober 's bus also ran late
- # [18:05] <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
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- # [18:08] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
- # [18:08] <krisk> Zakim, Microsoft is krisk
- # [18:08] <Zakim> +krisk; got it
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- # [18:09] <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike
- # [18:09] <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
- # [18:09] <Zakim> +Mike
- # [18:11] <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
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- # [18:12] <Zakim> +adrianba; got it
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- # [18:13] <MikeSmith> Zakim, drop Mike
- # [18:13] <Zakim> Mike is being disconnected
- # [18:13] <Zakim> -Mike
- # [18:13] <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike-googd
- # [18:13] <Zakim> I am sorry, MikeSmith; I do not know a number for Mike-googd
- # [18:13] <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike-goog
- # [18:13] <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
- # [18:13] <Zakim> +Mike
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- # [18:16] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
- # [18:16] <rubys> ...Maciej should be here momentarily...
- # [18:16] <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
- # [18:16] <Zakim> +paulc; got it
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- # [18:18] <Zakim> +[Apple.a]
- # [18:18] <mjs> Zakim, [Apple.a] has me
- # [18:18] <Zakim> +mjs; got it
- # [18:19] <hober> Topic: ACTION items due by Thursday, July 21
- # [18:19] <hober> mjs: there are none
- # [18:19] <hober> Topic: New Issues This Week:
- # [18:19] <hober> mjs: there are none
- # [18:19] <hober> Topic: Items Closed Last Week
- # [18:19] <hober> mjs: there are none
- # [18:19] <hober> Topic: Items Closing This Week
- # [18:19] <hober> mjs: there are none
- # [18:19] <hober> Topic: Items Closing Next Week
- # [18:19] <hober> ISSUE-153?
- # 06[18:19] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-153
- # [18:19] <trackbot> ISSUE-153 -- link type "external" either not useful or underspecified -- open
- # [18:19] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/153
- # [18:19] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-153: link type "external" either not useful or underspecified - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
- # [18:20] <hober> mjs: Call for Counter-Proposals closes Jul 28
- # [18:20] <hober> ISSUE-154?
- # 06[18:20] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-154
- # [18:20] <trackbot> ISSUE-154 -- "sidebar" might not be a proper use of a link relation -- open
- # [18:20] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/154
- # [18:20] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-154: "sidebar" might not be a proper use of a link relation - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
- # [18:20] <hober> mjs: Call for Counter-Proposals closes Jul 28
- # [18:20] <hober> mjs: both issues about link relations
- # [18:20] <hober> ISSUE-166?
- # 06[18:20] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-166
- # [18:20] <trackbot> ISSUE-166 -- text/html-sandboxed does not always fail closed -- raised
- # [18:20] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/166
- # [18:20] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-166: text/html-sandboxed does not always fail closed - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
- # [18:20] <hober> mjs: Change Proposals due Jul 28
- # [18:20] <hober> ISSUE-167?
- # 06[18:20] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-167
- # [18:20] <trackbot> ISSUE-167 -- Remove the crossorigin attribute and CORS normative dependency -- raised
- # [18:20] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/167
- # [18:20] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-167: Remove the crossorigin attribute and CORS normative dependency - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
- # [18:20] <hober> mjs: Change Proposals due Jul 28
- # [18:21] <hober> Topic: New Calls this week
- # [18:21] <hober> mjs: there are none
- # [18:21] <hober> Topic: New Surveys this week
- # [18:21] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
- # [18:21] <hober> mjs: there are none
- # [18:21] <hober> mjs: will not start any more surveys until the end of the LC comment period on 8/4
- # [18:21] <hober> Topic: Decisions this week
- # [18:21] <hober> mjs: there are none
- # [18:21] <hober> Topic: Task Force Reports
- # [18:22] <hober> Topic: Testing Task Force report
- # [18:22] <hober> chris: met last week
- # [18:22] <krisk> Here notes http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2011Jul/0004.html
- # [18:22] <pimpbot> Title: RE: HTML Testing Task Force Conf Call Agenda 7/12/2011 from Kris Krueger on 2011-07-21 (public-html-testsuite@w3.org from July 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
- # [18:22] <hober> s/chris/krisk/
- # [18:22] <hober> krisk: group agreed to use html5lib test format going forward
- # [18:23] <hober> krisk: new tests from mozilla
- # [18:23] <hober> krisk: there are authoring guidelines available
- # [18:23] <krisk> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/Testing/Authoring
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- # [18:23] <hober> krisk: microsoft has submitted some structured clone algorithm tests
- # [18:23] <hober> krisk: opera has also submitted tests
- # [18:23] <hober> krisk: TF meets on 7/26
- # [18:24] <hober> Topic: Accessibility Task Force report
- # [18:24] <hober> janina: not much to report
- # [18:24] <hober> janina: have asked people to read through the spec to look for a11y issues
- # [18:24] <hober> janina: long call next thursday to process those reports
- # [18:25] <hober> janina: media subgroup have 3 unresolved issues, waiting on PoCs
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- # [18:25] <hober> janina: text subgroup will make some comments on longdesc, canvas a11y, etc.
- # [18:25] <hober> janina: asking tf participants to focus on bugs
- # [18:25] <hober> Topic: Other Business
- # [18:26] <hober> ISSUE-134?
- # 06[18:26] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-134
- # [18:26] <trackbot> ISSUE-134 -- Provide tablist and tab states for menu and command elements respectively -- open
- # [18:26] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/134
- # [18:26] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-134: Provide tablist and tab states for menu and command elements respectively - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
- # [18:27] <hober> CP on ISSUE-134: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Jul/0235.html
- # [18:27] <pimpbot> Title: Re: CfC: Close ISSUE-134 tab-states by Amicable Resolution from Tab Atkins Jr. on 2011-07-14 (public-html@w3.org from July 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
- # [18:27] <hober> mjs: in the future, we will be stricter about the CfC deadline
- # [18:27] <hober> mjs: this is a one-time exception
- # [18:27] <hober> mjs: have filed bug on decision policy to clarify this going forward
- # [18:28] <hober> mjs: Last Call change control and non-bugzilla changes http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Jul/0286.html
- # [18:28] <pimpbot> Title: Thoughts on restricting non-bugzilla-driven spec changes during Last Call from Maciej Stachowiak on 2011-07-20 (public-html@w3.org from July 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
- # [18:28] <hober> mjs: looking at what sort of change control should be applied, email is quite detailed
- # [18:28] <hober> mjs: strongly encourage wg participants to read that email
- # [18:29] <hober> mjs: there are 3 key process requirements affected by spec changes happening during LC
- # [18:29] <hober> mjs: 1) formal requirement to address all issues received during LC
- # [18:29] <hober> mjs: 2) must have documentation of all changes since the previous step (entering last call)
- # [18:30] <hober> mjs: there's a Process distinction between minor and substantive changes
- # [18:30] <hober> mjs: substantive changes are changes that invalidate previous review or impl report
- # [18:30] <hober> mjs: minor changes only require reporting diff
- # [18:30] <hober> mjs: Process requires us to provide meaningful summary of substantive changes
- # [18:31] <hober> mjs: substantive changes made after entering LC require issuing another WD, can't proceed straight to CR
- # [18:31] <hober> mjs: we knew going into this LC that there woulud be substantive changes in certain areas etc.
- # [18:32] <hober> mjs: must fulfill documentation requirement
- # [18:32] <hober> mjs: we will have to have an LC period in which we don't make substantive changes
- # [18:33] <hober> mjs: there are a number of changes made to the spec that are from comments not at the w3c
- # [18:33] <hober> mjs: also rdfa-in-html spec has changes made due to comments in the rdfa wg, not just an issue with the html5 spec
- # [18:33] <paulc> q+
- # 06[18:33] * Zakim sees paulc on the speaker queue
- # [18:34] <hober> janina: should people be commenting on the may 25th LCWD or a july ED? (question came up in a11y tf)
- # [18:34] <hober> mjs: up to the reviewer
- # [18:35] <hober> mjs: May 25th draft is frozen, so it won't change during review
- # [18:35] <hober> mjs: the EDs have ongoing changes, including LC comments
- # [18:35] <hober> mjs: issues may already have been fixed, there may be new problems
- # [18:35] <hober> mjs: ED probably tracks what will be in a future LC
- # [18:36] <mjs> ack paulc
- # 06[18:36] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
- # [18:36] <hober> paulc: it's always possible to get the static version by following the dated links
- # [18:36] <hober> paulc: we'll always process LC comments on the LCWD
- # [18:37] <hober> paulc: it's also valid as an LC comment to request revert of changes happening in the ED
- # [18:37] <paulc> q-
- # 06[18:37] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
- # [18:37] <hober> mjs: Decision Policy update plans http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Jul/0287.html
- # [18:37] <pimpbot> Title: Decision Policy update plans from Maciej Stachowiak on 2011-07-20 (public-html@w3.org from July 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
- # [18:38] <hober> mjs: have been working on the Decision Policy 'v2' draft
- # [18:38] <hober> mjs: will be presenting a CfC to the WG to adopt the v2 Decision Policy
- # [18:39] <hober> mjs: please review v2 draft and file bugs
- # [18:39] <hober> mjs: Any other business?
- # [18:39] <hober> Topic: Scribe for next meeting
- # [18:39] <adrianba> i can scribe next week
- # [18:40] <hober> Topic: Adjournment
- # [18:40] <Zakim> -Mike
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- # [18:40] <paulc> rssagent, generate minutes
- # [18:41] <adrianba> rrsagent, make minutes
- # [18:41] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/21-html-wg-minutes.html adrianba
- # [18:41] <Zakim> -Sam
- # [18:41] <adrianba> rrsagent, make logs public
- # [18:41] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, adrianba
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- # [20:58] <pimpbot> changes: sam: Correct status for issue 134 <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Jul/0054.html>
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- # [21:10] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13320] New Feature: Define a default form submit behavior. Currently, there is no specified behavior that I am aware of for browsers when the 'enter' key is pressed in a text input field inside a form. Some browsers submit using the form with no button value. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/0806.html>
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- # [22:12] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13323] New: In section 4.10.21 "Constraints" (under "Association of controls and forms"), the definition for "Suffering from being missing" includes the text "... or, in the case of an element in a radio button group, any of the other elements in the group has a requ <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/0808.html> ** [Bug 13314] Drop RDF conversion algorithm <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html
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