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  3. # [00:12] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13433] Using "Function?" for the on* IDL attribute type doesn't seem to match implementations on setting <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0054.html>
  4. # [00:42] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13145] Spec Element.innerText <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0057.html> ** [Bug 13505] New: The first track.label reference should be track.kind. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0056.html> ** [Bug 12577] Offline Web applications: we should discourage the inclusion of the main page in the manifest <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011A
  5. # [01:12] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12267] <video> Make video state transitions happen in the same task as firing events <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0058.html>
  6. # [01:42] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13507] New: why are these overlays blocking the page content, without any way to get rid of them? <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0059.html>
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  8. # [01:59] <gunther> Mitäs sivosen poika !
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  10. # [02:12] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13508] New: Fully support tri-state and indeterminate controls <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0061.html> ** [Bug 13503] If readyState is HAVE_NOTHING, then seeking should just save the new value and that value should be used once we have the duration, as an override of the fragment identifier. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0060.html>
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  15. # [03:12] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12541] <video> Media Element seeking: the asynchronous behaviour of steps 5-12 causes unexpected, unwanted behaviour when getting the currentTime immediately after it's been set. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0062.html>
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  20. # [03:42] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13512] New: Need a DOM event for AT to catch when content is inserted <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0066.html> ** [Bug 13511] New: document parsing should discuss setting up accessibility APIs <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0065.html> ** [Bug 13510] New: discuss setting up accessibilty APIs as part of document parsing <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/pu
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  27. # [04:12] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13513] New: Caution against textarea with wrap=hard <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0069.html> ** [Bug 13511] document parsing should discuss setting up accessibility APIs <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0068.html> ** [Bug 13509] describe what happens in with accessibility APIs when existing document is destroyed <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-htm
  28. # [05:13] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13512] Need a DOM event for AT to catch when content is inserted <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0070.html>
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  31. # [05:43] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13514] New: Support different resolutions for command elements and images <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0071.html>
  32. # [06:13] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13514] Support different resolutions for command elements and images <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0072.html>
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  36. # [08:43] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13374] Incorrect predicate URIs <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0082.html> ** [Bug 13314] Drop RDF conversion algorithm <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0081.html> ** [Bug 13352] third line of the triples - owl:sameAs probably not what's intended <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0080.html> ** [Bug 13364] The "used microdata
  37. # [08:49] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * 7e55c8b6ea2c r6340 / (index complete.html source):
  38. # [08:49] <CIA-1> html-spec: [e] (0) Today the pedants are winning against simplicity in the war for clarity.
  39. # [08:49] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13339
  40. # [08:49] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * b709d6a414b8 r6341 / (index complete.html source):
  41. # [08:49] <CIA-1> html-spec: [e] (0) Simplicity makes a surprise comeback in a joint effort with pedancy in the war for clarity.
  42. # [08:49] <pimpbot> 13339: contributor, P3, RESOLVED FIXED, itemprop adds properties (plural)
  43. # [08:49] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13364
  44. # [08:49] <pimpbot> 13364: contributor, P3, RESOLVED FIXED, The "used microdata item" concept is redundant
  45. # [08:58] <pimpbot> changes: microdata; hixie: Simplicity makes a surprise comeback in a joint effort with pedancy in the war for clarity. (whatwg r6342) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Aug/0001.html> ** microdata; hixie: Today the pedants are winning against simplicity in the war for clarity. (whatwg r6341) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Aug/0000.html>
  46. # [09:05] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * f58424871902 r6342 / (index complete.html source):
  47. # [09:05] <CIA-1> html-spec: [e] (0) Now both pedancy and simplicity are losing in the race for clarity.
  48. # [09:05] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13370
  49. # [09:05] <pimpbot> 13370: contributor, P3, RESOLVED FIXED, What authoring errors do the microdata value conformance constraints help catch?
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  52. # [09:14] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13452] Explain the point of itemid <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0095.html> ** [Bug 13452] Explain the point of itemid <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0094.html> ** [Bug 13033] Remove obsolete references to pre-LC and pre-Last Call <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0093.html> ** [Bug 13244] Unresolved internal links in v2
  53. # [09:19] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * 89dc259375a8 r6343 / (index complete.html source):
  54. # [09:19] <CIA-1> html-spec: [e] (0) I forgot to include the text for UID in the bit about global identifiers.
  55. # [09:19] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13452
  56. # [09:19] <pimpbot> 13452: contributor, P3, RESOLVED WONTFIX, Explain the point of itemid
  57. # [09:28] <pimpbot> changes: microdata; hixie: Now both pedancy and simplicity are losing in the race for clarity. (whatwg r6343) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Aug/0002.html>
  58. # [09:44] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13468] Support Microdata values that are HTML snippets <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0099.html> ** [Bug 13467] Support IRI compression/shortening <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0098.html> ** [Bug 13470] Support multiple types per item <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0097.html> ** [Bug 13469] Enable Web page authors to
  59. # [10:14] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13504] Automation-friendly mMarkup for flagging spelling, grammar, etc. errors and warnings <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0100.html>
  60. # [10:44] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13516] New: usually in lowercase <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0101.html> ** [Bug 13516] usually in lowercase <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0102.html>
  61. # [10:58] <pimpbot> planet: Chris Heilmann: Making history with the August Dev Derby <http://hacks.mozilla.org/2011/08/making-history-with-the-august-dev-derby/>
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  65. # [11:42] <Zeddy> i have a problem conserning the cache manifest, im building a webpage for mobile devices which lets the user download all the required files for offline use, but the content can be in different languages depending on the url mapviewer.php?lang=1 ?lang=2 and so on. This results in double downloading if the user visits both languages, which obviously is the way it should work.. but i would like
  66. # [11:42] <Zeddy> to delete all cached files when the user visits another language, otherwise the amount of cached data will exeed the limitations that mobile browsers have
  67. # [11:42] <Zeddy> http://www.kokonniemi.fi/guide/index.php/view/map/1/1/1 <- finnish language
  68. # [11:42] <pimpbot> Title: Mobile Guide (at www.kokonniemi.fi)
  69. # [11:42] <Zeddy> http://www.kokonniemi.fi/guide/index.php/view/map/1/2/1 <- english language
  70. # [11:42] <pimpbot> Title: Mobile Guide (at www.kokonniemi.fi)
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  72. # [11:43] <Zeddy> visit the first and you have 1.4 Mb cached, then visit the second and you have 2.8 Mb cached
  73. # [11:43] <Zeddy> the manifest files are dynamic and the url's differ depending on the language: <html manifest="http://www.kokonniemi.fi/guide/index.php/manifest?map=1&amp;lang=1">
  74. # [11:43] <Zeddy> and <html manifest="http://www.kokonniemi.fi/guide/index.php/manifest?map=1&amp;lang=2">
  75. # [11:44] <Zeddy> i'm guessing they get treated as different manifests due to the difference in the url, but i see no other way to have them dynamically generate the manifest file
  76. # [11:44] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13518] New: "The keygen element": The only supported signature algorithm is the outdated and insecure md5WithRSAEncryption. The element should at least have an optional signature algorithm, with the option to use the more secure sha1WithRSAEncryption and sha256WithRS <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0105.html> ** [Bug 13518] "The keygen element": The only supported signature algorithm is the outdated and
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  79. # [12:14] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12267] <video> Make video state transitions happen in the same task as firing events <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0109.html> ** [Bug 13370] What authoring errors do the microdata value conformance constraints help catch? <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0108.html> ** [Bug 13338] itemprop token should not contain . or : even with itemtype="" <http://lists.w3.
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  83. # [12:36] <Zeddy> did anyone perhaps answer my question while i was away?
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  85. # [12:59] <pimpbot> planet: Steve Faulkner: HTML5 Accessibility Chops: ARIA landmark support <http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2011/07/html5-accessibility-chops-aria-landmark-support/>
  86. # [13:03] <Zeddy> i just can't believe html5 cache manifest is missing a method for clearing the cache.
  87. # [13:45] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13433] Using "Function?" for the on* IDL attribute type doesn't seem to match implementations on setting <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0111.html> ** [Bug 13514] Support different resolutions for command elements and images <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0114.html> ** [Bug 13512] Need a DOM event for AT to catch when content is inserted <http://lists.w3.org/
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  91. # [14:15] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13520] New: Drag and Drop without a pointing device <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0119.html> ** [Bug 13520] Drag and Drop without a pointing device <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0120.html> ** [Bug 13520] Drag and Drop without a pointing device <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0121.html> ** [Bug 13519] New: Spell Check
  92. # [14:45] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13520] Drag and Drop without a pointing device <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0122.html>
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  94. # [15:06] <CIA-1> validator: Michael[tm] Smith <mike@w3.org> * ea447905c22f r664 syntax/relaxng/media.rnc:
  95. # [15:06] <CIA-1> validator: Make <video></video> valid (again). b=695
  96. # [15:06] <CIA-1> validator: Thanks Simon and PhilipJ.
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  98. # [15:15] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13520] Drag and Drop without a pointing device <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0123.html>
  99. # [15:22] <Zeddy> Can i use Session variables in the manifest file to get dynamic manifest files but with the same URI ?
  100. # [15:45] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13433] Using "Function?" for the on* IDL attribute type doesn't seem to match implementations on setting <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0125.html> ** [Bug 13520] Drag and Drop without a pointing device <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0124.html>
  101. # [16:15] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13521] New: Element head is missing a required instance of child element title <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0127.html> ** [Bug 13433] Using "Function?" for the on* IDL attribute type doesn't seem to match implementations on setting <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0126.html>
  102. # [16:45] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13452] Explain the point of itemid <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0128.html>
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  106. # [17:16] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13522] New: Greeting, I am submitting this feedback of the concern of email in form input type. The current specification, as was stated already in your own website, too strict on username part and and too vague on the domain part. I would like to make the following <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0129.html>
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  108. # [17:39] <konaya> http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2389463,00.asp
  109. # [17:39] <pimpbot> Title: Study: Dumb People Use Internet Explorer | News & Opinion | PCMag.com (at www.pcmag.com)
  110. # [17:39] <konaya> :)
  111. # [17:46] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10824] i18n comment 20 : list item marker display and position <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0132.html> ** [Bug 10829] i18n comment : ruby code samples <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0131.html> ** [Bug 13522] Greeting, I am submitting this feedback of the concern of email in form input type. The current specification, as was stated already in your own website,
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  115. # [18:16] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13480] Add definition of "child nodes" term <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0138.html> ** [Bug 13478] Problems related to the current definition of rel values <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0137.html> ** [Bug 13475] Remove wrong example <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0136.html> ** [Bug 13145] Spec Element.innerText <
  116. # [18:46] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13050] Typo in decision policy: "descrption" <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0141.html> ** [Bug 13433] Using "Function?" for the on* IDL attribute type doesn't seem to match implementations on setting <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0140.html> ** [Bug 13479] Document conformance/validity has to be stable over the time <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/publi
  117. # [19:00] <pimpbot> planet: Steve Faulkner: Accessibility Notes: 2nd August 2011 <http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2011/08/accessibility-notes-2nd-august-2011/>
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  119. # [19:46] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13442] Clarify cases that should NOT be "non-interactive presentation user agents" <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0148.html> ** [Bug 13442] Clarify cases that should NOT be "non-interactive presentation user agents" <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0146.html> ** [Bug 13521] Element head is missing a required instance of child element title <http://lists.w3.org
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  123. # [20:16] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13517] Not 'type=checkbox' but 'type="checkbox"' <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0150.html>
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  128. # [20:46] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13482] dir=auto needs to work on value of input and textarea elements <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0151.html>
  129. # [21:17] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13524] New: relatedTarget shouldn't be null for dragleave event(as mouseout) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0152.html>
  130. # [21:19] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * 057f37336e45 r6344 / (index complete.html source): [e] (0) typo
  131. # [21:47] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13527] New: Microdata doesn't allow marking up content with multiple vocabularies <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0154.html> ** [Bug 13345] <details> should be allowed in <p> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0153.html>
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  134. # [22:17] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13528] New: Many examples in the forms section to do not exemplify best practice <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0155.html> ** [Bug 13528] Many examples in the forms section to do not exemplify best practice <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0156.html>
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  138. # [23:17] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13530] New: example in 4.10.1 has unneeded <p> around form elements <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0158.html> ** [Bug 13529] New: In HTML, the content of the meta tag is empty, however, it also serves the dual purpose of being able to store metadata for an item. When that metadata is structured as an item, there needs to be a way to include further meta tags within the original met <http://lists.w3.o
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  140. # [23:47] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13531] New: use of implicit labels in examples <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0161.html> ** [Bug 13531] use of implicit labels in examples <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0163.html> ** [Bug 13531] use of implicit labels in examples <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/0165.html> ** [Bug 13529] In HTML, the content of the meta
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