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  7. # [00:28] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13941] New: SPACE key scrolling when no element is focused, is targetet at <html> - and not at <body> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/2432.html> ** [Bug 13941] SPACE key scrolling when no element is focused, is targetet at <html> - and not at <body> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/2433.html>
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  24. # [06:54] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13942] New: Allow @autofocus on any element with @tabindex <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/2434.html>
  25. # [07:25] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13942] Allow @autofocus on any element with @tabindex <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/2435.html>
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  27. # [07:57] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12541] <video> Make seeking change the current playback position before going async, then update it to the clamped value ASAP, then try to buffer <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/2436.html>
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  45. # [09:48] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Make video.currentTime return a stable value rather than the current value. This lets us make setting this attribute always seem to work, so authors don't find the attribute hasn't changed after they set it. (whatwg r6531) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Aug/0218.html>
  46. # [09:50] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * 79f571fcf7c9 r6530 / (index complete.html source):
  47. # [09:50] <CIA-1> html-spec: [giow] (1) Make video.currentTime return a stable value rather than the current value. This lets us make setting this attribute always seem to work, so authors don't find the attribute hasn't changed after they set it.
  48. # [09:50] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12541
  49. # [09:50] <pimpbot> 12541: contributor, P3, RESOLVED NEEDSINFO, <video> Make seeking change the current playback position before going async, then update it to the clamped value ASAP, then try to buffer
  50. # [10:03] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12490] potential conflict between Link: and <link> semantics <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/2441.html> ** [Bug 12541] <video> Make seeking change the current playback position before going async, then update it to the clamped value ASAP, then try to buffer <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/2440.html> ** [Bug 12267] <video> Make video state transitions happen in th
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  52. # [11:07] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13943] New: The "bad cue" handling is stricter than it should be <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/2442.html> ** [Bug 13943] The "bad cue" handling is stricter than it should be <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/2443.html>
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  66. # [13:09] <pimpbot> planet: Chris Heilmann: Calculated drop shadows in HTML5 canvas <http://hacks.mozilla.org/2011/08/calculated-drop-shadows-in-html5-canvas/>
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  70. # [13:46] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13944] New: The WebVTT timestamp seconds separator is always a full stop <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/2446.html> ** [Bug 13944] The WebVTT timestamp seconds separator is always a full stop <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/2447.html>
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  74. # [14:18] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13174] Allow block elements inside TH, maybe add new THCAPTION element <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/2448.html> ** [Bug 13942] Allow @autofocus on any element with @tabindex <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/2449.html>
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  78. # [15:22] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13946] New: <div><script type='text/javascript' src='http://www.nvidia.com/content/includes/js/swfobject.js'></script><div id='flexContainer'><div id='flexApp'></div></div><script type='text/javascript'>swfobject.embedSWF('http://www.nvidia.com/content/opc/v2/Optimal <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/2450.html>
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  80. # [15:31] <zapb> why are some named character references (in html 5 spec) without trailing semicolon?
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  82. # [15:33] <zapb> have they a special meaing or is it a "bug" ?
  83. # [15:37] <zapb> have a look at http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/named-character-references.html#named-character-references (the last named char refs)
  84. # [15:37] <pimpbot> Title: 8.5 Named character references HTML5 (at dev.w3.org)
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  89. # [16:31] <banana> hi
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  95. # [17:31] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13946] <div><script type='text/javascript' src='http://www.nvidia.com/content/includes/js/swfobject.js'></script><div id='flexContainer'><div id='flexApp'></div></div><script type='text/javascript'>swfobject.embedSWF('http://www.nvidia.com/content/opc/v2/Optimal <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/2451.html>
  96. # [18:02] <plh> zapb, re named char ref without semi-colons: that seems a bug to me. In fact, they should either be written starting with '&' and finishing with ';', or neither
  97. # [18:02] <plh> did you send a bug report?
  98. # [18:03] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13948] New: :past and :future not linked <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/2452.html>
  99. # [18:08] <zapb> plh, no where can i send a bug report?
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  103. # [18:24] <Philip> zapb: They're listed there for compatibility with old documents that rely on old parsing behaviour
  104. # [18:26] <Philip> zapb: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/syntax.html#character-references says you must only use the ones that end in ";"
  105. # [18:26] <pimpbot> Title: 11 The HTML syntax HTML Standard (at www.whatwg.org)
  106. # [18:26] <Philip> (though parsers must support the non-; ones too)
  107. # [18:31] <zapb> Philip, why should parsers support charref without semicolon?
  108. # [18:33] <Philip> zapb: Because lots of pages use them without semicolons
  109. # [18:34] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13357] Additional AudioTrack.kind categories are needed to identify tracks where audio descriptions are premixed with main dialogue. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/2454.html> ** [Bug 13948] :past and :future not linked <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/2453.html>
  110. # [18:35] <zapb> Philip, ah okay... because of idiots they break the standard
  111. # [18:36] <Philip> zapb: Most people write web pages by trial-and-error in whatever browser they choose to test in, so they do things that are non-standard but supported by implementations, then the standard needs to change so it describes how to write compatible implementations instead of ignoring reality
  112. # [18:39] <zapb> Philip, or all browers only support the standard and the non-standard guys will change their code because the browser shows not what they want
  113. # [18:39] <zapb> :)
  114. # [18:40] <Philip> zapb: Most pages are non-standard, so if a browser doesn't support non-standard pages then nobody will use that browser and it will die
  115. # [18:40] <Philip> so that wouldn't help the situation
  116. # [18:42] <Philip> (Also, the people who wrote those pages might have stopped maintaining them ten years ago, so they'll never fix their code)
  117. # [18:44] <zapb> Philip, yeah thats true - this would only work if all major-browers only support the standard
  118. # [18:45] <Philip> If all browsers changed at the same time and broke lots of non-standard pages, users would stick with old versions and not upgrade
  119. # [18:45] <Philip> (See e.g. people still using IE6, because IE7 broke compatibility with a few pages)
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  121. # [18:56] <zapb> Philip, so what is the solution change standards everytime (and forever) only because some idiots break with standards?
  122. # [18:58] <zapb> will we change the http-standard if enough people send bad http-requests?
  123. # [18:59] <zapb> Philip, i agree with you that is hard work but i think there should be (in some time) a better solution
  124. # [19:00] <Philip> The goal of HTML5 is that the standard and the implementations will converge on the same behaviour after some years, and then that behaviour will be stable
  125. # [19:00] <Philip> since anyone writing new pages will test in modern browsers, which will implement that standard
  126. # [19:01] <Philip> (That requires the standard to make decisions that browser developers are willing to implement, which in practice means it needs to be compatible with existing content)
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  128. # [19:03] <Philip> (The goal isn't to be compatible with errors that people will make in the future, it's just to be compatible with errors they've made in the past and already published)
  129. # [19:05] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13154] WF3: Allow two handles on input type="range", like this: http://jqueryui.com/demos/slider/#range <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/2456.html> ** [Bug 12541] <video> Make seeking change the current playback position before going async, then update it to the clamped value ASAP, then try to buffer <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/2455.html> ** [Bug 13943] The "b
  130. # [19:07] <zapb> Philip, and hopefully these errors could be kick out of the standard too
  131. # [19:07] <zapb> in some time
  132. # [19:10] <Philip> zapb: Only if old web pages relying on those errors disappear, which they probably never will
  133. # [19:11] <zapb> Philip, what do you think - is the charref-list stable or is it not advisable to implement it?
  134. # [19:13] <Philip> zapb: The whole HTML5 parser (including its character reference handling) is implemented by current or future versions of all major browsers, so it's thoroughly tested and stable
  135. # [19:14] <zapb> Philip, okay sounds good
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  137. # [19:37] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13355] Split AppCache out <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/2460.html> ** [Bug 13355] Split AppCache out <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/2459.html> ** [Bug 12490] potential conflict between Link: and <link> semantics <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/2458.html>
  138. # [19:41] <pimpbot> changes: sam: Add issue 173 <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Aug/0219.html>
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  142. # [20:41] <pimpbot> planet: Reddit: Browsers: Tom's Hardware Web Browser Grand Prix VI: Windows and OS X <http://www.reddit.com/r/browsers/comments/jy6br/toms_hardware_web_browser_grand_prix_vi_windows/>
  143. # [21:14] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13958] New: Authors should be able to request specific modifiers for accesskeys <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/2461.html>
  144. # [21:46] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13959] New: I think the change to dfn being the defining instance of a term removes one previously solid use case for dfn: defining unfamiliar terms that may make no sense to define in context. For instance, use of "borrowed" terms and phrases from other languages th <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/2462.html> ** [Bug 13959] dfn no longer supports unfamiliar terms that lack contextual definition <http:
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  149. # [22:50] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13960] New: I am concerned about the way the Article element is used in examples. Doesn't it make sense that Screen Readers will want to use the article element to skip over the HEADER and NAV elements to the main content. Instead of this: <article><heading>...</hea <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/2465.html> ** [Bug 13960] I am concerned about the way the Article element is used in examples. Doesn't it m
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  152. # [23:22] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13963] New: <h1>Just testing over tjhere....</h1> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/2469.html> ** [Bug 13962] New: nicenicenicenicenicenicenicenicenicenice sad asd ddddddddddddasd <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/2468.html> ** [Bug 13961] New: I'm concerned there doesn't seem to be an elegant simple way to provide closed captions for the <video> tag. YouTube does th
  153. # [23:55] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13965] New: Exposing onreadystatechange on script elements seems to not be web-compatible unless they fire the event <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/2470.html> ** [Bug 13965] Exposing onreadystatechange on script elements seems to not be web-compatible unless they fire the event <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Aug/2471.html>
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