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- # [02:36] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13438] Editorial changes to Track element (1 of 3) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0004.html> ** [Bug 13144] designMode needs to persist when an iframe is navigated <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0003.html> ** [Bug 12858] This doesn't actually define "align descendants". It says which descendants are to be aligned, but not what's supposed to happen to them. Is i
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- # [03:36] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13398] i18n-ISSUE-80: Default rules for the quotes property <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0006.html> ** [Bug 13438] Editorial changes to Track element (1 of 3) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0005.html>
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- # [09:08] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13778] <video> make loop work with reverse playback <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0008.html>
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- # [10:08] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13568] use of "accessible" to refer to placement of UI controls is confusing <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0012.html> ** [Bug 13757] Remove the list of attributes that match their values case-insensitively and use http://dev.w3.org/csswg/selectors4/#attribute-case in the Rendering section <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0011.html> ** [Bug 13986] New: RFC 2425/6
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- # [11:08] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13988] New: how to download this book <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0014.html> ** [Bug 13987] New: how to download this book <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0013.html>
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- # [12:09] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12787] 2D canvas createPattern(null, ...) should raise TypeError, not TYPE_MISMATCH_ERR <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0019.html> ** [Bug 13385] Remove HTMLInputElement.{width,height} (unimplemented) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0015.html> ** [Bug 13988] how to download this book <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0017.html>
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- # [12:39] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12787] 2D canvas createPattern(null, ...) should raise TypeError, not TYPE_MISMATCH_ERR <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0020.html>
- # [13:09] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13592] Intentional that <video></video> (i.e. without src or source) is valid but <audio></audio> is not? <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0022.html> ** [Bug 13592] Intentional that <video></video> (i.e. without src or source) is valid but <audio></audio> is not? <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0021.html>
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- # [13:39] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13994] New: Need a spec for PopStateEvent constructor <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0026.html> ** [Bug 13993] New: Need a spec for PageTransitionEvent constructor <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0025.html> ** [Bug 13992] New: Need a spec for MessageEvent constructor <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0024.html> ** [Bug 139
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- # [14:09] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13995] New: Don't check Content-Type for <track> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0027.html> ** [Bug 13995] Don't check Content-Type for <track> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0028.html>
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- # [14:37] <CIA-1> validator: Henri Sivonen <hsivonen@iki.fi> * 205a12090fe6 r673 syntax/relaxng/datatype/java/src/org/whattf/datatype/MetaName.java: Restore accidentally deleted keyword "description".
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- # [15:09] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13201] Flow content should be allowed in <dt> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0029.html>
- # [16:10] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13983] It seems like textarea's raw value should always normalize newlines to \n (and form submission should normalize \n to \r\n) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0030.html>
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- # [17:58] <pimpbot> planet: Robert Nyman: Mozilla Hacks Weekly, September 1st 2011 <http://hacks.mozilla.org/2011/09/mozilla-hacks-weekly-september-1st-2011/>
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- # [18:05] <rubys> trackbot, start meeting
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- # [18:05] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
- # [18:05] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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- # [18:05] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
- # [18:05] <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
- # [18:05] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
- # [18:05] <trackbot> Date: 01 September 2011
- # [18:05] <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike
- # [18:05] <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
- # [18:05] <Zakim> +Mike
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- # [18:06] <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft] has adrianba, krisk
- # [18:06] <Zakim> +adrianba, krisk; got it
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- # [18:07] <adrianba> ScribeNick: adrianba
- # [18:07] <dsinger_> zakim, mute dsinger
- # [18:07] <Zakim> dsinger should now be muted
- # [18:07] <Zakim> + +1.619.518.aaaa
- # [18:07] <adrianba> Scribe: Adrian Bateman
- # [18:07] <adrianba> Chair: Sam Ruby
- # [18:07] <adrianba> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2011JulSep/0015.html
- # [18:07] <pimpbot> Title: HTML WG telecon 2011-09-01: Issue progress, Task Force reports from Sam Ruby on 2011-08-31 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from July to September 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
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- # [18:07] <eliot> zakim, +1.206.850.aabb is me
- # [18:07] <Zakim> +eliot; got it
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- # [18:09] <rubys> zakim, aacc is me
- # [18:09] <Zakim> +rubys; got it
- # [18:09] <adrianba> TOPIC: ACTION items due by Thursday, September 1
- # [18:09] <adrianba> rubys: there are none
- # [18:09] <adrianba> TOPIC: New Issues This Week
- # [18:09] <Zakim> + +1.251.280.aadd
- # [18:09] <adrianba> rubys: we have several
- # [18:09] <adrianba> ISSUE-170?
- # [18:09] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-170
- # [18:09] <trackbot> ISSUE-170 -- make URIs valid link relations -- raised
- # [18:09] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/170
- # [18:09] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-170: make URIs valid link relations - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
- # [18:09] <adrianba> ISSUE-171?
- # [18:09] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-171
- # [18:09] <trackbot> ISSUE-171 -- URI-s generated for microdata attribute values -- raised
- # [18:09] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/171
- # [18:10] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-171: URI-s generated for microdata attribute values - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
- # [18:10] <Julian> Zakim, +1.251.280.aadd is me
- # [18:10] <Zakim> +Julian; got it
- # [18:10] <adrianba> ISSUE-172?
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- # [18:10] <trackbot> ISSUE-172 -- restore <rb> as an optional element -- raised
- # [18:10] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/172
- # [18:10] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-172: restore as an optional element - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
- # [18:10] <adrianba> ISSUE-173?
- # [18:10] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-173
- # [18:10] <trackbot> ISSUE-173 -- Split AppCache out -- raised
- # [18:10] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/173
- # [18:10] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-173: Split AppCache out - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
- # [18:10] <adrianba> ISSUE-174?
- # [18:10] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-174
- # [18:10] <trackbot> ISSUE-174 -- potential conflict between Link: and <link> semantics -- raised
- # [18:10] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/174
- # [18:10] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-174: potential conflict between Link: and semantics - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
- # [18:10] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13995] Don't check Content-Type for <track> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0031.html>
- # [18:11] <adrianba> rubys: we'll see what discussion of these generates and then start scheduling them for calls for proposals
- # [18:11] <adrianba> ... we also have one tracker request that is awaiting a title and text - once those are provided we'll open and issue
- # [18:11] <adrianba> s/and issue/an issue/
- # [18:11] <adrianba> TOPIC: Items Closed Last Week
- # [18:11] <adrianba> ISSUE-165?
- # [18:11] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-165
- # [18:11] <trackbot> ISSUE-165 -- Drop rel=pingback -- open
- # [18:11] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/165
- # [18:11] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-165: Drop rel=pingback - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
- # [18:11] <adrianba> rubys: declared that we have consensus - awaiting the editor to make the change
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- # [18:12] <adrianba> ISSUE-153?
- # [18:12] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-153
- # [18:12] <trackbot> ISSUE-153 -- link type "external" either not useful or underspecified -- closed
- # [18:12] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/153
- # [18:12] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-153: link type "external" either not useful or underspecified - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
- # [18:12] <adrianba> ISSUE-154?
- # [18:12] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-154
- # [18:12] <trackbot> ISSUE-154 -- "sidebar" might not be a proper use of a link relation -- closed
- # [18:12] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/154
- # [18:12] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-154: "sidebar" might not be a proper use of a link relation - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
- # [18:12] <Zakim> -dsinger
- # [18:12] <adrianba> rubys: both of these have been updated by the editor and marked closed
- # [18:12] <Zakim> -Mike
- # [18:12] <adrianba> TOPIC: Items Closing This Week
- # [18:12] <adrianba> ISSUE-166?
- # [18:12] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-166
- # [18:12] <trackbot> ISSUE-166 -- text/html-sandboxed does not always fail closed -- open
- # [18:12] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/166
- # [18:12] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-166: text/html-sandboxed does not always fail closed - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
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- # [18:13] <adrianba> rubys: call for counter proposal actually closed yesterday - not seen counter proposals so looks likely we'll go to call for consensus
- # [18:13] <adrianba> TOPIC: Items Closing Next Week
- # [18:13] <adrianba> rubys: none
- # [18:13] <adrianba> TOPIC: New Calls this week
- # [18:13] <adrianba> rubys: again none
- # [18:13] <adrianba> TOPIC: New Surveys this week
- # [18:13] <adrianba> rubys: none
- # [18:13] <adrianba> TOPIC: Decisions this week
- # [18:13] <adrianba> rubys: none
- # [18:14] <adrianba> TOPIC: Task Force Reports - Testing Task Force
- # [18:14] <krisk> Notes ->http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2011Sep/0000.html
- # [18:14] <pimpbot> Title: RE: HTML Testing Task Force Conf Call Agenda 8/23/2011 from Kris Krueger on 2011-09-01 (public-html-testsuite@w3.org from September 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
- # [18:14] <adrianba> krisk: we met as a group last week as planned - meet again next week
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- # [18:14] <adrianba> ... the group had agreement to remove 4 attribute tests
- # [18:14] <adrianba> bug 13767?
- # [18:14] <pimpbot> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13767 Ms2ger, P2, RESOLVED FIXED, Invalid video tests
- # [18:14] <Zakim> +Laura_Carlson
- # [18:15] <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike
- # [18:15] <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
- # [18:15] <adrianba> krisk: there was further discussion from Mozilla about wanting to use httpd.js
- # [18:15] <Zakim> +Mike
- # [18:15] <adrianba> ... some async script tests submitted using php - working really well - thanks to the systems team for making that work
- # [18:16] <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike
- # [18:16] <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
- # [18:16] <adrianba> ... some discussion around not using the harness for sandbox tests
- # [18:16] <Zakim> +Mike.a
- # [18:16] <adrianba> ... because they can't run script - the group agreed to this
- # [18:16] <adrianba> ... that's it
- # [18:16] <adrianba> TOPIC: Task Force Reports - Accessibility Task Force
- # [18:16] <Zakim> -Mike
- # [18:16] <adrianba> rubys: janina gave her regrets
- # [18:17] <adrianba> MikeSmith: janina is away today - not much to report
- # [18:17] <adrianba> ... some smaller scale participation over the last couple of calls
- # [18:17] <Julian> q+ to ask about http://blog.whatwg.org/weekly-rich-text-editing
- # [18:17] * Zakim sees Julian on the speaker queue
- # [18:17] <pimpbot> Title: The WHATWG Blog — WHATWG Weekly: Rich-Text Editing on the Web (at blog.whatwg.org)
- # [18:17] <adrianba> ... the biggest amount of work we have to resolve is around text alternatives
- # [18:17] <adrianba> ... we have a subteam in the TF discussing this but we haven't reached a point where we have something to come back with or anything for the WG to take action on
- # [18:18] <adrianba> ... the canvas work, rich is still actively pursuing
- # [18:18] <adrianba> ... we had a discussion on the call today about this
- # [18:18] <adrianba> ... at some point soon rich will be coming back on that soon
- # [18:19] <adrianba> ... he's waiting for hixie to respond on one of the issues - couldn't tell if there was an open bug to raise the priority on
- # [18:19] <adrianba> ... rich expressed some frustration about lack of response - i'll see if there is a bug and check with rich on how we want to prioritise this issue/bug
- # [18:19] <adrianba> ... that's it so far for now
- # [18:19] <adrianba> rubys: agree with what you said about the bug
- # [18:19] <adrianba> MikeSmith: okay, i'll follow-up with rich
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- # [18:20] <adrianba> TOPIC: Other Business
- # [18:20] <adrianba> julian: this an interesting variant on the discussions we have about adding things without prior discussion
- # [18:21] <adrianba> ... in this case text being removed from the spec and moved to a non-w3c spec
- # [18:21] * plh zakim, call plh-work
- # [18:21] * Zakim ok, plh; the call is being made
- # [18:21] <Zakim> +Plh
- # [18:21] * plh apologizes for being late
- # [18:21] <adrianba> rubys: were there bug reports that caused the text to be removed?
- # [18:21] <adrianba> julian: not sure
- # [18:21] <adrianba> rubys: in the past there have been
- # [18:21] <adrianba> MikeSmith: i don't know about multiple cases but there was an open bug about the editing work
- # [18:22] <adrianba> ... if this is about something else i don't know but for editing there was a bug
- # [18:22] <adrianba> rubys: if there is a bug i consider that a working group discussion
- # [18:22] <adrianba> ... if you see cases where there wasn't a bug please feel free to document them and raise a bug
- # [18:22] <adrianba> plh: wondering if there is any status on the html.next discussion
- # [18:23] <adrianba> rubys: no, i don't think there is any update at the moment
- # [18:23] <adrianba> plh: okay
- # [18:23] <adrianba> TOPIC: Scribe for next meeting
- # [18:23] <adrianba> rubys: volunteers?
- # [18:24] <adrianba> ... maciej will be on his own next week - paul and i will be on vacation
- # [18:24] <adrianba> plh: i will be away too
- # [18:24] <hober> I can scribe
- # [18:24] <Zakim> -hober
- # [18:24] <adrianba> rubys: we do have a volunteer
- # [18:24] <Zakim> -Julian
- # [18:25] * hober is on the bus, and just lost reception apparently, but I'd be happy to scribe next week
- # [18:25] <adrianba> TOPIC: Adjournment
- # [18:25] <Zakim> -Radhika_Roy
- # [18:25] <Zakim> -Mike.a
- # [18:25] * Parts: Laura (lauracarls@131.212.98.211)
- # [18:25] <Zakim> -Plh
- # [18:25] <adrianba> rubys: with that, we're adjourned - see you in a couple of weeks
- # [18:25] <Zakim> -eliot
- # [18:25] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
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- # [18:25] <Zakim> -rubys
- # [18:25] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
- # [18:26] <Zakim> Attendees were hober, Radhika_Roy, Mike, dsinger, adrianba, krisk, +1.619.518.aaaa, eliot, +1.919.247.aacc, rubys, Julian, Laura_Carlson, Mike.a, Plh
- # [18:26] <adrianba> rrsagent, make minutes
- # [18:26] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/01-html-wg-minutes.html adrianba
- # [18:26] <adrianba> rrsagent, make logs public
- # [18:26] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, adrianba
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- # [23:41] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 14001] New: 1) Please add a radiusY to the path arc command(s) so it is easier to create ellipse shapes and elliptical arcs. It would be very nice if the Canvas path supported a similar API to that for creating SVG paths via JavaScript so shapes could be exchanged <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0038.html> ** [Bug 13999] DOMTokenList (e.g., element.classList): allow to add/remove multiple tokens at once
- # Session Close: Fri Sep 02 00:00:00 2011
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