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  3. # [00:05] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * 37a35cbe2781 r6542 / (index complete.html source):
  4. # [00:05] <CIA-1> html-spec: [giow] (0) Add script.readyState and fire 'readystatechange' in some cases. Not
  5. # [00:05] <CIA-1> html-spec: 100% IE compatible because IE is pretty inconsistent here. Should be compatible
  6. # [00:05] <CIA-1> html-spec: with legacy content though, both in browsers that do script prefetch and those
  7. # [00:05] <CIA-1> html-spec: that don't.
  8. # [00:05] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13965
  9. # [00:05] <pimpbot> 13965: contributor, P3, RESOLVED FIXED, Exposing onreadystatechange on script elements seems to not be web-compatible unless they fire the event
  10. # [00:08] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Add script.readyState and fire 'readystatechange' in some cases. Not 100% IE compatible because IE is pretty inconsistent here. Should be compatible with legacy content though, both in browsers that do script prefetch and those that don't. (whatwg r6543) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Sep/0011.html>
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  12. # [00:10] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13965] Exposing onreadystatechange on script elements seems to not be web-compatible unless they fire the event <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0275.html> ** [Bug 13965] Exposing onreadystatechange on script elements seems to not be web-compatible unless they fire the event <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0274.html>
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  14. # [00:41] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 14070] New: Is it possible to define "form controls" here? You've got the Categories section earlier in 4.10, but that doesn't define the term either. If there is not a single set of elements to which the following subsections apply, could you note that and just sa <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0276.html>
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  33. # [05:14] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13965] Exposing onreadystatechange on script elements seems to not be web-compatible unless they fire the event <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0278.html> ** [Bug 13965] Exposing onreadystatechange on script elements seems to not be web-compatible unless they fire the event <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0277.html>
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  37. # [05:44] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 14073] New: Define role of @title in <a title="Expansion"><abbr>abbrevitation</abbr></a> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0280.html> ** [Bug 14033] HTML5 table row column resizable <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0279.html>
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  40. # [05:56] <pimpbot> planet: Jesper Kristensen: Firefox/Gecko Delivery Meeting Minutes: 2011-09-07 <http://blog.mozilla.com/meeting-notes/archives/645>
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  68. # [08:44] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 14074] New: Line 11, Column 54: Using the meta element to specify the document-wide default language is obsolete. Consider specifying the language on the root element instead. <meta http-equiv="content-language" content="En-GB" /> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0281.html>
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  74. # [09:45] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 14077] New: Please select a section by clicking on it, and then submit the comment again. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0285.html> ** [Bug 14076] New: misspelled contents, should be "Stops sending" instead of "Steps sending" <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0282.html> ** [Bug 14076] misspelled contents, should be "Stops sending" instead of "Steps sending" <ht
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  83. # [11:47] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 14026] Wow, very complex element LOL. Am I to udnerstand that I can use this to mark up things like dingbat fonts, and cesored "words" like $%#! ? <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0286.html>
  84. # [11:57] <pimpbot> planet: Anne van Kesteren: The Acid3 Problem <http://annevankesteren.nl/2011/09/acid3-problem>
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  86. # [12:17] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 14079] New: WindowProxy open(optional DOMString url, optional DOMString target, optional DOMString features, optional DOMString replace); -- shouldn't the replace argument be boolean? <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0287.html>
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  92. # [13:48] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 14056] Please change 4.8.11.2 Security with canvas elements to respect CORS <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0293.html>
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  99. # [15:48] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 14056] Please change 4.8.11.2 Security with canvas elements to respect CORS <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0294.html>
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  105. # [16:48] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 14085] New: WebVTT tokenizer does not consume U+003C LESS-THAN SIGN (<) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0295.html> ** [Bug 14085] WebVTT tokenizer does not consume U+003E GREATER-THAN SIGN character (>) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0296.html>
  106. # [16:58] <pimpbot> planet: Anne van Kesteren: WHATWG Weekly: Parsing APIs <http://blog.whatwg.org/weekly-parsing-apis>
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  109. # [17:49] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13668] Generated content must be accessible <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0299.html> ** [Bug 14087] New: Return sections of HTML5 that were removed outside of the W3C <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0297.html> ** [Bug 14082] What needs to be done so that modifications will be reflected whithout restarting the server and restarting IIS modifying web.config in HT
  110. # [18:03] <mjs> hi everyone
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  113. # [18:03] <mjs> any early volunteers to scribe this week?
  114. # [18:03] * hober i was going to, but am still on the bus
  115. # [18:04] * hober i should be in in just a few minutes though
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  117. # [18:04] <mjs> hober: do you know how to invite all the proper bots? we can wait a few minutes if there are no other volunteers
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  122. # [18:05] <dsinger_> zakim, mute dsinger
  123. # [18:06] <dsinger_> Invite trackbot
  124. # [18:06] <dsinger_> zakim, who is here?
  125. # [18:06] <dsinger_> Invite zakim
  126. # [18:07] <mjs> dsinger_: I'm dialing in a sec
  127. # [18:07] <mjs> dsinger_: do you know how to invite the proper bots?
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  130. # [18:08] <mjs> we seem to have both Zakim and trackbot here now
  131. # [18:08] <mjs> hober: ETA?
  132. # [18:08] <dsinger_> Trying to remember
  133. # [18:08] <adrianba> trackbot, start telecon
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  136. # [18:08] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/09/08-html-wg-irc
  137. # [18:08] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  138. # [18:08] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
  139. # [18:08] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
  140. # [18:08] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  141. # [18:08] <trackbot> Date: 08 September 2011
  142. # [18:08] <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
  143. # [18:09] <mjs> thanks adrianba!
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  145. # [18:09] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  146. # [18:09] <dsinger_> zakim, mute dsinger
  147. # [18:09] <Zakim> dsinger should now be muted
  148. # [18:09] <Zakim> +[HP]
  149. # [18:09] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  150. # [18:09] <dpenkler> zakim, hp has me
  151. # [18:09] <Zakim> +dpenkler; got it
  152. # [18:09] * hober getting off the bus?
  153. # [18:09] <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft] is me
  154. # [18:09] <Zakim> +adrianba; got it
  155. # [18:09] <Zakim> +??P49
  156. # [18:10] <janina> zakim, ??P49 is Janina
  157. # [18:10] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  158. # [18:10] <eliot> zakim, microsoft has me
  159. # [18:10] <Zakim> +Janina; got it
  160. # [18:10] <Zakim> +eliot; got it
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  163. # [18:13] * hober ok, ready
  164. # [18:13] <hober> ScribeNick: hober
  165. # [18:13] <hober> topic: ACTION items due by Thursday, September 8
  166. # [18:13] <hober> mjs: there are none
  167. # [18:14] <hober> topic: new issues this week
  168. # [18:14] <mjs> http://w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=HTML+WG&keywords=TrackerRequest
  169. # [18:14] <pimpbot> Title: Bug List (at w3.org)
  170. # [18:14] <hober> mjs: there are none, but two new tracker requests
  171. # [18:14] <hober> mjs: actually, they are issues
  172. # [18:14] <hober> topic: items closed last week
  173. # [18:15] <hober> ISSUE-165: rel-pingback, Call for Consensus closed Aug 24
  174. # [18:15] * trackbot attempting to add a note to ISSUE-165.
  175. # [18:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-165 Drop rel=pingback notes added
  176. # [18:15] <mjs> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Aug/0321.html
  177. # [18:15] <pimpbot> Title: CfC: Close ISSUE-165: rel-pingback by Amicable Resolution from Sam Ruby on 2011-08-17 (public-html@w3.org from August 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
  178. # [18:15] <adrianba> q+ to mention issue-166 call for counter proposals closed aug 31
  179. # [18:15] * Zakim sees adrianba on the speaker queue
  180. # [18:15] <hober> topic: items closing this week
  181. # [18:15] <mjs> q+
  182. # [18:15] * Zakim sees adrianba, mjs on the speaker queue
  183. # [18:15] <mjs> er
  184. # [18:15] <mjs> ack adrianba
  185. # [18:15] <Zakim> adrianba, you wanted to mention issue-166 call for counter proposals closed aug 31
  186. # [18:15] * Zakim sees mjs on the speaker queue
  187. # [18:15] <mjs> q- mjs
  188. # [18:15] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
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  190. # [18:16] <hober> adrianba: 166 also closed
  191. # [18:16] <mjs> ack
  192. # [18:16] <Zakim> -dsinger
  193. # [18:16] <hober> mjs: missed this in putting agenda together, will cover next week
  194. # [18:16] <hober> mjs: no items closing this week
  195. # [18:16] <hober> topic: items closing next week
  196. # [18:16] <hober> mjs: there are none
  197. # [18:16] <Zakim> +dsinger
  198. # [18:16] <hober> topic: new calls this week
  199. # [18:16] <hober> mjs: there are 4, all due aug 8
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  201. # [18:17] <dsinger_> zakim, mute dsinger
  202. # [18:17] <Zakim> dsinger should now be muted
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  204. # [18:17] <hober> ISSUE-170 rel-uri-valid, ISSUE-171 microdata-rdf, ISSUE-172 restore-rb, ISSUE-173 split-appcache
  205. # [18:17] <hober> topic: new surveys this week
  206. # [18:17] <hober> mjs: there are none
  207. # [18:17] <hober> topic: decisions this week
  208. # [18:17] <hober> mjs: there are none
  209. # [18:18] <hober> topic: task force reports
  210. # [18:18] <hober> topic: accessibility task force
  211. # [18:19] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 14087] Return sections of HTML5 that were removed outside of the W3C <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0305.html>
  212. # [18:19] <hober> janina: tf is busy looking at bugs marked a11ytf & looking through rest to see if any more need to be tagged
  213. # [18:19] <hober> janina: about 70% of the way through looking at things not yet tf-tagged
  214. # [18:20] <hober> janina: there are around 90 tf-tagged bugs
  215. # [18:20] <hober> janina: rich is continuing working on his canvas cp
  216. # [18:20] <hober> janina: about a week or two away from bringing to wg
  217. # [18:21] <hober> janina: he's getting feedback on the cp from browser vendors
  218. # [18:21] <hober> janina: text subteam is looking at things they want reconsidered
  219. # [18:21] <hober> janina: longdesc, figcaption, etc.
  220. # [18:21] <hober> janina: work slowed at end of aug due to holidays etc.
  221. # [18:22] <hober> janina: question about the last call bug from association for american publishers re: longdesc=""
  222. # [18:22] <hober> janina: would like to attach their work as appendix to the longdesc="" proposal
  223. # [18:23] <hober> mjs: yes, folding that into the ISSUE-30 cp is the right thing to do
  224. # [18:23] <hober> mjs: the new bug will likely be marked as a duplicate of the old ISSUE-30 bug
  225. # [18:24] <hober> janina: spent a lot of time on this morning's a11y call on generated content & a11y
  226. # [18:24] <hober> janina: might be html related, might be css related
  227. # [18:27] <hober> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13368
  228. # [18:27] <pimpbot> 13368: contributor, P3, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, The non-normative part says "throws an INVALID_STATE_ERR" but the normative part says "must return", not mentioning any exceptions.
  229. # [18:28] <hober> topic: other business
  230. # [18:28] <hober> mjs: none
  231. # [18:28] <hober> topic: scribe for next meeting
  232. # [18:28] <hober> mjs: hober will scribe
  233. # [18:29] <hober> topic: adjournment
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  241. # [18:29] <Zakim> -dsinger
  242. # [18:29] <Zakim> -hober
  243. # [18:29] <Zakim> -adrianba
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  245. # [18:29] <hober> RRSAgent, make minutes
  246. # [18:29] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/08-html-wg-minutes.html hober
  247. # [18:30] <adrianba> rrsagent, make logs public
  248. # [18:30] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, adrianba
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  251. # [18:35] * hober has again forgotten the magic incantation to get the plaintext minutes from the html ones
  252. # [18:36] <Zakim> -Radhika_Roy
  253. # [18:36] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  254. # [18:36] <Zakim> Attendees were dsinger, hober, Radhika_Roy, +1.415.595.aaaa, dpenkler, adrianba, Janina, eliot
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  258. # [18:49] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 14088] New: chapters example is invalid (.00 should be .000) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0306.html> ** [Bug 14088] chapters example is invalid (.00 should be .000) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0307.html> ** [Bug 14087] Return sections of HTML5 that were removed outside of the W3C <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0308.htm
  259. # [18:59] <pimpbot> planet: Rob Hawkes: Mozilla Hacks Weekly, September 8th 2011 <http://hacks.mozilla.org/2011/09/mozilla-hacks-weekly-september-8th-2011/>
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  261. # [19:51] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 14089] New: Caller on form doesn't appear to be supported in Opera/Mozilla/WebKit. Maybe it should be dropped. (Getter is supported though.) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0311.html>
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  263. # [20:21] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12868] Allow placeholder for color and date+ types <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0312.html>
  264. # [20:39] * Zakim excuses himself; his presence no longer seems to be needed
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  266. # [20:51] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 14089] Caller on form doesn't appear to be supported in Opera/Mozilla/WebKit. Maybe it should be dropped. (Getter is supported though.) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0313.html>
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  270. # [21:23] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 14090] New: HTMLPreElement width attribute (obsolete) should be a long instead of an unsigned long <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0315.html> ** [Bug 14090] HTMLPreElement width attribute (obsolete) should be a long instead of an unsigned long <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0316.html> ** [Bug 14087] Return sections of HTML5 that were removed outside of the W3C <
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  272. # [21:53] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 14091] New: There appear to be no dash or dotted line styles available. Please add a dash array options to the context. Something like: context.dashArray [ = value ] where value would be a list like this "4 2" where the first defines the dash length and the secon <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0318.html> ** [Bug 14087] Return sections of HTML5 that were removed outside of the W3C <http://lists.w3.org
  273. # [22:24] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 14087] Return sections of HTML5 that were removed outside of the W3C <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0319.html>
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  275. # [22:55] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 14092] New: I don't think the phrase "bubbling event listeners" has any real meaning. Would't non-capturing event listener be better here? Handlers can be invoked during the bubbling or at_target phases, right? <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0324.html> ** [Bug 12289] <video> suspend event "Dispatched when..." is incorrect <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0321.html>
  276. # [23:05] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * f32c4f6fb345 r6543 / (index complete.html source):
  277. # [23:05] <CIA-1> html-spec: [giow] (0) Make 'suspend' fire when the media is loaded.
  278. # [23:05] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12595
  279. # [23:05] <pimpbot> 12595: contributor, P3, RESOLVED FIXED, <video> Fire suspend event when/if entire resource is loaded
  280. # [23:16] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Make 'suspend' fire when the media is loaded. (whatwg r6544) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Sep/0012.html>
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  285. # [23:58] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12608] <video> define exact order and state during the last progress event <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0327.html> ** [Bug 12595] <video> Fire suspend event when/if entire resource is loaded <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0326.html>
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