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  4. # [00:35] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * 7cc14fbbd282 r6557 / (complete.html index source): [giow] (2) Define how singular matrices affect canvas fills and strokes.
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  6. # [00:46] <pimpbot> planet: Richard: Simple HTML Slides – Not Ready for Prime Time? <http://richard.milewski.org/archives/1173>
  7. # [00:50] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13176] The bounds of canvas fallback content, as rendered on the canvas, are not provided by the user agent to an assistive technology. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0754.html> ** [Bug 12834] LEGEND should be allowed to NOT be exactly first child of FIELDSET ("The legend element" spec section) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0753.html> ** [Bug 12705] setTransfo
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  11. # [01:10] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Kill CanvasPixelArray in favour of the Typed Array stuff. (whatwg r6559) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Sep/0037.html>
  12. # [01:20] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * f6c7eeb2f0d5 r6558 / (complete.html index source): [giow] (2) Kill CanvasPixelArray in favour of the Typed Array stuff.
  13. # [01:20] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12834] LEGEND should be allowed to NOT be exactly first child of FIELDSET ("The legend element" spec section) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0766.html> ** [Bug 13034] Consider [TreatNullAs=EmptyString] for some reflected attributes <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0765.html> ** [Bug 13030] it looks to me boolean is the right type for the 4th parameter 'replace' i
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  18. # [01:51] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 14213] missing transitive dependencies - NodeIterator, Range, TreeWalker <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0767.html>
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  27. # [03:25] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 14235] New: >10 Rendering >10.5 Bindings >10.5.15 textarea element >If the element has a rows attribute, ... >Otherwise, the user agent is expected to act as if it had a user-agent-level style sheet rule setting the 'height' property on the element to the textarea ef <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0768.html>
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  35. # [03:55] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12651] More things should set salvageable to false: XHR, plugins <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0769.html>
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  51. # [05:47] <pimpbot> planet: Jesper Kristensen: Firefox/Gecko Delivery Meeting Minutes: 2011-09-21 <http://blog.mozilla.com/meeting-notes/archives/652>
  52. # [07:34] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10830] i18n comment : Please add support for rb <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0770.html>
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  64. # [11:43] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13637] <track> Cue rendering+behavior spec text should generic, not webvtt-derived <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0782.html> ** [Bug 13981] <track> Redundant checks for 0-9 when parsing integers <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0781.html> ** [Bug 13943] <track> The "bad cue" handling is stricter than it should be <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-htm
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  66. # [12:49] <pimpbot> planet: Robert Nyman: The web is for the people <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/robertnyman/~3/lHIqd1e3TYI/>
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  68. # [13:15] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 14153] This defeats the entire purpose of separating style and content. Style scoping works quite well using the CSS cascade <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0784.html>
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  71. # [13:47] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13176] The bounds of canvas fallback content, as rendered on the canvas, are not provided by the user agent to an assistive technology. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0785.html>
  72. # [13:49] <pimpbot> planet: Anne van Kesteren: WHATWG Weekly: Is XBL still alive? And what are Web Intents? <http://blog.whatwg.org/weekly-xbl-intents>
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  74. # [14:18] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 14242] New: Add Uint8ClampedArray to the Dependencies section. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0788.html> ** [Bug 14241] New: <track> Merge HTMLTrackElement and TextTrack into one interface <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0787.html> ** [Bug 14241] <track> Merge HTMLTrackElement and TextTrack into one interface <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-b
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  77. # [14:48] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12596] <video> Explicitly state that preload=none fires a suspend event <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0791.html>
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  90. # [15:50] <pimpbot> planet: Robert Nyman: Mozilla Hacks Weekly, September 22nd <http://hacks.mozilla.org/2011/09/mozilla-hacks-weekly-september-22nd/>
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  99. # [16:21] <CIA-1> validator: Henri Sivonen <hsivonen@iki.fi> * b99e0b865398 r384 validator/src/nu/validator/source/SourceCode.java: Show more source after an exact error location.
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  101. # [16:52] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12998] Some attributes are not overridable with 'var' in browsers. See http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/saved/1035 <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0792.html>
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  107. # [17:22] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 14244] New: Wir sind hier <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0794.html> ** [Bug 14243] New: Wir sind hier <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0793.html>
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  115. # [17:54] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 14244] Wir sind hier <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0796.html> ** [Bug 14243] Wir sind hier <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0795.html> ** [Bug 14150] I am a photographer as well as a hand-coding web designer. One thing that frustrates me is the duplicity between alt="" and title="" for photographs and photographers. For instance: <img class="thumbnail" alt="Davi
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  117. # [17:56] <MikeSmith> mjs: want to check up on http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-canvas-api/2011JulSep/0275.html on the HTML WG call today if we can
  118. # [17:56] <pimpbot> Title: Issue 131 from Richard Schwerdtfeger on 2011-09-15 (public-canvas-api@w3.org from July to September 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
  119. # [17:58] <MikeSmith> but 13176
  120. # [17:58] <MikeSmith> bug 13176?
  121. # [17:58] <pimpbot> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13176 schwer, P1, REOPENED, The bounds of canvas fallback content, as rendered on the canvas, are not provided by the user agent to an assistive technology.
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  127. # [18:06] <MikeSmith> bug 13391?
  128. # [18:06] <pimpbot> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13391 schwer, P2, CLOSED INVALID, Add a ScrollElementIntoView function
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  130. # [18:06] <rubys> trackbot, start meeting
  131. # [18:06] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference
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  133. # [18:06] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/09/22-html-wg-irc
  134. # [18:06] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  135. # [18:06] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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  137. # [18:06] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
  138. # [18:06] <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
  139. # [18:06] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  140. # [18:06] <trackbot> Date: 22 September 2011
  141. # [18:07] <Zakim> + +1.251.280.aabb
  142. # [18:07] <Julian> Zakim, +1.251.280.aabb is me
  143. # [18:07] <Zakim> +Julian; got it
  144. # [18:07] <Julian> Zakim, mute me
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  146. # [18:07] <Zakim> Julian should now be muted
  147. # [18:08] <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike
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  149. # [18:08] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  150. # [18:08] <eliot> zakim, microsoft has me
  151. # [18:08] <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
  152. # [18:08] <Zakim> +Mike
  153. # [18:08] <Zakim> + +1.919.247.aacc
  154. # [18:08] <Zakim> +eliot; got it
  155. # [18:08] <rubys> zakim, aacc is me
  156. # [18:09] <Zakim> +??P8
  157. # [18:09] <Zakim> +rubys; got it
  158. # [18:09] <janina> zakim, ??P8 is Janina
  159. # [18:09] <rubys> any volunteers to scribe?
  160. # [18:09] <Zakim> +Janina; got it
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  162. # [18:10] <MikeSmith> scribe: MikeSmith
  163. # [18:10] <MikeSmith> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2011JulSep/0021.html
  164. # [18:10] <pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2011-09-22 ¿¿¿ anyone willing to scribe ??? from Sam Ruby on 2011-09-21 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from July to September 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
  165. # [18:10] <MikeSmith> chair: Sam
  166. # [18:10] <Zakim> +[HP]
  167. # [18:10] <dpenkler> zakim,HP has me
  168. # [18:10] <Zakim> +dpenkler; got it
  169. # [18:11] <MikeSmith> Topic: ACTION items due by Thursday, September 22
  170. # [18:11] * hober regrets; i'm at the tracking protection wg's f2f
  171. # [18:11] <MikeSmith> rubys: none
  172. # [18:11] <MikeSmith> Topic: New Issues This Week
  173. # [18:11] <MikeSmith> ISSUE-176: Revert the edit that removed the Editing API
  174. # [18:11] * trackbot attempting to add a note to ISSUE-176.
  175. # [18:11] <trackbot> ISSUE-176 Revert the edit that removed the Editing API notes added
  176. # [18:11] <MikeSmith> issue-176?
  177. # [18:11] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-176
  178. # [18:11] <trackbot> ISSUE-176 -- Revert the edit that removed the Editing API -- raised
  179. # [18:11] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/176
  180. # [18:11] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-176: Revert the edit that removed the Editing API - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  181. # [18:11] <Zakim> + +1.415.595.aadd
  182. # [18:11] <MikeSmith> rubys: There is 1 tracker request: http://w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=HTML+WG&keywords=TrackerRequest
  183. # [18:11] <pimpbot> Title: Bug List (at w3.org)
  184. # [18:12] <MikeSmith> rubys: that will shortly be opened up as another issue
  185. # [18:12] <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
  186. # [18:12] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/22-html-wg-minutes.html MikeSmith
  187. # [18:12] <MikeSmith> Topic: Items Closed This Week
  188. # [18:12] <MikeSmith> ISSUE-165?
  189. # [18:12] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-165
  190. # [18:12] <trackbot> ISSUE-165 -- Drop rel=pingback -- closed
  191. # [18:12] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/165
  192. # [18:12] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  193. # [18:12] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-165: Drop rel=pingback - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  194. # [18:12] <adrianba_> zakim, [Microsoft.a] is me
  195. # [18:12] <Zakim> +adrianba_; got it
  196. # [18:12] <MikeSmith> rubys: closed
  197. # [18:13] <MikeSmith> ISSUE 172?
  198. # [18:13] <MikeSmith> ISSUE-172?
  199. # [18:13] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-172
  200. # [18:13] <trackbot> ISSUE-172 -- restore <rb> as an optional element -- closed
  201. # [18:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/172
  202. # [18:13] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-172: restore as an optional element - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  203. # [18:13] <MikeSmith> rubys: for issue 165, the change was made, applied
  204. # [18:14] <MikeSmith> rubys: for issue 172, marked as close
  205. # [18:14] <MikeSmith> Topic: Items Closing This Week
  206. # [18:14] <MikeSmith> issue-166
  207. # [18:14] <MikeSmith> issue-166?
  208. # [18:14] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-166
  209. # [18:14] <trackbot> ISSUE-166 -- text/html-sandboxed does not always fail closed -- open
  210. # [18:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/166
  211. # [18:14] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-166: text/html-sandboxed does not always fail closed - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  212. # [18:14] <MikeSmith> rubys: call for CPs closes today
  213. # [18:15] <rubys> s/for CPs/for consensus/
  214. # [18:15] <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
  215. # [18:15] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/22-html-wg-minutes.html MikeSmith
  216. # [18:15] <pimpbot> Title: HTML Weekly Teleconference -- 22 Sep 2011 (at www.w3.org)
  217. # [18:15] <MikeSmith> Topic: Items Closing Next Week
  218. # [18:15] <MikeSmith> rubys: none
  219. # [18:15] <MikeSmith> Topic: New Calls this week
  220. # [18:15] <MikeSmith> rubys: we have two
  221. # [18:15] <MikeSmith> issue-174?
  222. # [18:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-174
  223. # [18:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-174 -- potential conflict between Link: and <link> semantics -- raised
  224. # [18:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/174
  225. # [18:15] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-174: potential conflict between Link: and semantics - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  226. # [18:16] <MikeSmith> ISSUE-176?
  227. # [18:16] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-176
  228. # [18:16] <trackbot> ISSUE-176 -- Revert the edit that removed the Editing API -- raised
  229. # [18:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/176
  230. # [18:16] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-176: Revert the edit that removed the Editing API - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  231. # [18:16] <MikeSmith> rubys: both calls close on October 21st
  232. # [18:16] <MikeSmith> Topic: New Surveys this week
  233. # [18:16] <MikeSmith> rubys: none
  234. # [18:16] <MikeSmith> Topic: Decisions this week
  235. # [18:16] <MikeSmith> rubys: none
  236. # [18:17] <MikeSmith> Topic: Other Business
  237. # [18:17] <MikeSmith> Sep 2, 2011 deadline for objecting to initial or revised priority
  238. # [18:18] <MikeSmith> rubys: Maciej and I discussed, and we are not setting a new deadline, but agreed to deal with bug priority changes on a case-by-case basisc
  239. # [18:18] <MikeSmith> s/basisc/basis/
  240. # [18:18] <MikeSmith> rubys: when Paul will be back, will talk to him also
  241. # [18:19] <MikeSmith> Topic: Scribe for next meeting
  242. # [18:19] <MikeSmith> ...
  243. # [18:19] <adrianba_> i can scribe next week
  244. # [18:19] <MikeSmith> scribe for Sep. 29 will be Adrian
  245. # [18:19] <MikeSmith> rubys: adjourned
  246. # [18:19] <Zakim> -adrianba_
  247. # [18:19] <Zakim> - +1.215.286.aaaa
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  249. # [18:19] <Zakim> -Mike
  250. # [18:19] <Zakim> -Janina
  251. # [18:19] <Zakim> -Julian
  252. # [18:19] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  253. # [18:19] <Zakim> -[HP]
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  255. # [18:19] <Zakim> -rubys
  256. # [18:19] <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
  257. # [18:19] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/22-html-wg-minutes.html MikeSmith
  258. # [18:19] <pimpbot> Title: HTML Weekly Teleconference -- 22 Sep 2011 (at www.w3.org)
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  261. # [18:22] <Zakim> -Radhika_Roy
  262. # [18:22] <Zakim> - +1.415.595.aadd
  263. # [18:22] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  264. # [18:22] <Zakim> Attendees were +1.215.286.aaaa, Radhika_Roy, Julian, Mike, +1.919.247.aacc, eliot, rubys, Janina, dpenkler, +1.415.595.aadd, [Microsoft], adrianba_
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  267. # [18:25] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13174] Allow block elements inside TH, maybe add new THCAPTION element <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0799.html> ** [Bug 14246] New: 2d.text.font.parse.complex expects font family in double-quotes <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0798.html>
  268. # [18:25] <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, bye
  269. # [18:25] <RRSAgent> I see no action items
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  271. # [18:25] <MikeSmith> Zakim, bye
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  274. # [18:56] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13391] Add a ScrollElementIntoView function <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0802.html> ** [Bug 13176] The bounds of canvas fallback content, as rendered on the canvas, are not provided by the user agent to an assistive technology. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0800.html> ** [Bug 14246] 2d.text.font.parse.complex expects font family in double-quotes <http://l
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  279. # [19:27] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 14246] 2d.text.font.parse.complex expects font family in double-quotes <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0803.html>
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  287. # [19:50] <CIA-1> html-spec: [giow] (2) Make option.label and option.value more consistent.
  288. # [19:50] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12255
  289. # [19:50] <CIA-1> html-spec: ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * dbbac9387ffe r6560 / (complete.html index source):
  290. # [19:50] <CIA-1> html-spec: [e] (0) 'suspend' event's description was out of date
  291. # [19:50] <pimpbot> 12255: mounir.lamouri, P2, RESOLVED FIXED, option.label and option.value could be consistent
  292. # [19:50] <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12289
  293. # [19:50] <pimpbot> 12289: contributor, P3, RESOLVED FIXED, <video> suspend event "Dispatched when..." is incorrect
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  295. # [19:58] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12289] <video> suspend event "Dispatched when..." is incorrect <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0807.html> ** [Bug 12289] <video> suspend event "Dispatched when..." is incorrect <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0806.html> ** [Bug 12255] option.label and option.value could be consistent <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0805.html>
  296. # [20:15] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: 'suspend' event's description was out of date (whatwg r6561) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Sep/0039.html> ** hixie: Make option.label and option.value more consistent. (whatwg r6560) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Sep/0038.html>
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  302. # [21:01] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12399] <video> Expose statistics for media elements <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0808.html>
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  311. # [22:51] <pimpbot> planet: jeff: HTML5-based slide deck systems <http://canuckistani.ca/jeff/blog/html5-based-slide-deck-systems>
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  317. # [23:36] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13358] <video> also fire a 'change' event at VideoTrackList, AudioTrackList, and TextTrackList objects when their list of tracks changes <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Sep/0809.html>
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