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  14. # [01:21] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 15024] New: WebVTT v2: Add default settings support <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0007.html> ** [Bug 15024] WebVTT v2: Add default settings support <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0008.html> ** [Bug 13137] HTML 5 table spec tables samples contain no ARIA markup example. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0006.html> ** [Bug
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  18. # [02:22] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13129] Accessible Tables examples in HTML 5 spec <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0009.html>
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  26. # [03:52] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 15025] New: “This flag's othe value is months” should be “This flag's other value is months” (note “r” at end of “other”) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0010.html>
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  30. # [04:40] <pimpbot> planet: Karl Dubost: Open Web Platform Weekly Summary - 2011-11-21 - 2011-11-28 <http://www.w3.org/QA/2011/11/openweb-weekly-21.html>
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  44. # [06:53] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 15026] New: Need a mechanism to draw elliptical arcs. Once available this can be extended to draw an ellipse. 1. Current methods of drawing them with beziers/quadratic curves do not work well and are approximations. 2. Using arcto/arc followed by scaling distorts the <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0011.html> ** [Bug 15026] Need a mechanism to draw elliptical arcs. Once available this can be extended to
  45. # [07:53] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 15002] Clarify status of initial newline in <pre> and <textarea> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0013.html>
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  50. # [08:41] <pimpbot> planet: Oli Studholme: GitHub Pages Workflow and deleting git’s master branch <http://oli.jp/2011/github-pages-workflow/>
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  52. # [09:53] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 15007] Add an API to queue a task <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0014.html>
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  57. # [10:23] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13137] HTML 5 table spec tables samples contain no ARIA markup example. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0016.html> ** [Bug 15027] New: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FTR%2F2011%2FWD-html5-20110525%2F&charset=(detect+automatically)&doctype=Inline&group=0 "No Character encoding declared at document level No character encoding information was found within the doc <http://lists
  58. # [10:53] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13129] Accessible Tables examples in HTML 5 spec <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0017.html>
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  60. # [11:24] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 15007] Add an API to queue a task <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0021.html> ** [Bug 15004] Clarify status of initial newline in <pre> and <textarea> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0020.html> ** [Bug 15002] Clarify status of initial newline in <pre> and <textarea> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0019.html> ** [Bug 15002]
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  62. # [11:42] <pimpbot> planet: Rob Hawkes: Rawkes Weekly: 1st December 2011 <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/rawkes/~3/jchMkJlw-T4/rawkes-weekly-1st-december-2011>
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  67. # [12:42] <pimpbot> planet: Chris Heilmann: State of the Web APIs – an interview with John Hammink <http://hacks.mozilla.org/2011/12/state-of-the-web-apis-an-interview-with-john-hammink/>
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  70. # [13:42] <pimpbot> planet: Steve Faulkner: HTML5 canvas accessibility discussions 2009-2011 <http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2011/12/html5-canvas-accessibility-discussions-2009-2011/>
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  80. # [15:55] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 15027] http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FTR%2F2011%2FWD-html5-20110525%2F&charset=(detect+automatically)&doctype=Inline&group=0 "No Character encoding declared at document level No character encoding information was found within the doc <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0022.html> ** [Bug 15027] http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FTR%2F2011%2FWD-html5-20110
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  93. # [16:43] <pimpbot> planet: Robert Nyman: Mozilla Hacks Weekly, December 1st 2011 <http://hacks.mozilla.org/2011/12/mozilla-hacks-weekly-december-1st-2011/>
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  96. # [16:56] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10919] Allow role="presentation" to override the default role of any element <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0024.html>
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  103. # [17:25] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 15020] I want to ask: This is based in the XHTML 1.x Strict standart??? or... This is based in the HTML 4.01 Strict standart??? or... This is a new reformulation in the markup language and all oldest (XHTML and HTML4.01)language will be incompatible??? I'm sorry <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0026.html> ** [Bug 15026] Need a mechanism to draw elliptical arcs. Once available this can be extended to draw
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  107. # [18:05] <hober> trackbot, this will be html
  108. # [18:05] <trackbot> Sorry, hober, I don't understand 'trackbot, this will be html'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
  109. # [18:05] <pimpbot> Title: IRC Trackbot (at www.w3.org)
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  117. # [18:07] <rubys> trackbot, start meeting
  118. # [18:07] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference
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  120. # [18:07] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/12/01-html-wg-irc
  121. # [18:07] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  122. # [18:07] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
  123. # [18:07] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
  124. # [18:07] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  125. # [18:07] <trackbot> Date: 01 December 2011
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  127. # [18:07] <Julian> Zakim, who's on the phone?
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  129. # [18:07] <Julian> Zakim, who's on the phone?
  130. # [18:07] <Zakim> sorry, Julian, I don't know what conference this is
  131. # [18:07] <Zakim> On IRC I see MFoladare, RRSAgent, janina, rubys, kimberly, eliot, Julian, hober, plh_, davidb, drublic, glenn, Norm, miketaylr, arronei, ArtB, MikeSmith, ed, tantek, mjs, nonge_,
  132. # [18:07] <Julian> Zakim, who's on the phone?
  133. # [18:07] <Zakim> ... Dashiva, karl, slightlyoff, lgombos, shepazu, Jedi, hiro, gsnedders, inimino, Hixie, paul_irish, CIA-1, gavin, Philip, pingo, wilhelm, krijnhuman, jgraham, pimpbot, [tm],
  134. # [18:08] <Zakim> ... johndrinkwater, rektide, webben, trackbot, hsivonen, heycam|away, jmb
  135. # [18:08] <Zakim> sorry, Julian, I don't know what conference this is
  136. # [18:08] <rubys> Zakim, this is html_wg
  137. # [18:08] <Zakim> On IRC I see MFoladare, RRSAgent, janina, rubys, kimberly, eliot, Julian, hober, plh_, davidb, drublic, glenn, Norm, miketaylr, arronei, ArtB, MikeSmith, ed, tantek, mjs, nonge_,
  138. # [18:08] <hober> Zakim, this will be html
  139. # [18:08] <Julian> Zakim, who's on the phone?
  140. # [18:08] <Zakim> ... Dashiva, karl, slightlyoff, lgombos, shepazu, Jedi, hiro, gsnedders, inimino, Hixie, paul_irish, CIA-1, gavin, Philip, pingo, wilhelm, krijnhuman, jgraham, pimpbot, [tm],
  141. # [18:08] <Zakim> ... johndrinkwater, rektide, webben, trackbot, hsivonen, heycam|away, jmb
  142. # [18:08] <Zakim> ok, rubys; that matches HTML_WG()12:00PM
  143. # [18:08] <Zakim> html matches both HTML_WG()12:00PM and INC_(HTMLSPEECH)11:30AM
  144. # [18:08] <Zakim> I notice HTML_WG()12:00PM has restarted
  145. # [18:08] <Zakim> On the phone I see [Apple], kimberly, +1.251.280.aaaa, +1.415.595.aabb, ??P6, Sam, glenn
  146. # [18:08] <hober> Zakim, Apple has hober
  147. # [18:08] <Zakim> +Radhika_Roy
  148. # [18:08] <glenn> zakim, i am +1.417.671.aabb
  149. # [18:08] <hober> ScribeNick: hober
  150. # [18:08] <Zakim> +hober; got it
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  152. # [18:08] <Julian> Zakim, +1.251.280.aaaa is me
  153. # [18:08] <Zakim> sorry, glenn, I do not see a party named '+1.417.671.aabb'
  154. # [18:08] <mjs> Zakim, +1.415.595.aabb is me
  155. # [18:08] <Zakim> +Julian; got it
  156. # [18:09] <Julian> Zakim, mute me
  157. # [18:09] <hober> Topic: ACTION items due by Thursday, December 1
  158. # [18:09] <Zakim> +mjs; got it
  159. # [18:09] <glenn> zakim, who's here?
  160. # [18:09] <hober> ACTION-207?
  161. # [18:09] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-207
  162. # [18:09] <trackbot> ACTION-207 -- Paul Cotton to confirm that change proposal for av_param is still active -- due 2011-12-01 -- OPEN
  163. # [18:09] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/207
  164. # [18:09] <Zakim> Julian should now be muted
  165. # [18:09] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-207: Confirm that change proposal for av_param is still active - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  166. # [18:09] <Zakim> On the phone I see [Apple], kimberly, Julian (muted), mjs, ??P6, Sam, glenn, Radhika_Roy
  167. # [18:09] <Zakim> [Apple] has hober
  168. # [18:09] <hober> rubys: paul not able to make the call today
  169. # [18:09] <hober> ... will push the action back a week
  170. # [18:09] <Zakim> On IRC I see laura, Zakim, MFoladare, RRSAgent, janina, rubys, kimberly, eliot, Julian, hober, plh_, davidb, drublic, glenn, Norm, miketaylr, arronei, ArtB, MikeSmith, ed, tantek,
  171. # [18:09] <Zakim> ... mjs, nonge_, Dashiva, karl, slightlyoff, lgombos, shepazu, Jedi, hiro, gsnedders, inimino, Hixie, paul_irish, CIA-1, gavin, Philip, pingo, wilhelm, krijnhuman, jgraham,
  172. # [18:09] <hober> ACTION-208?
  173. # [18:09] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-208
  174. # [18:09] <trackbot> ACTION-208 -- Michael[tm] Smith to sync up with Peter St. Andre on URL processing draft and report back in two weeks -- due 2011-12-01 -- OPEN
  175. # [18:09] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/208
  176. # [18:09] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-208: Sync up with Peter St. Andre on URL processing draft and report back in two weeks - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  177. # [18:09] <Zakim> ... pimpbot, [tm], johndrinkwater, rektide, webben, trackbot, hsivonen, heycam|away, jmb
  178. # [18:09] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Nov/0194.html
  179. # [18:09] <pimpbot> Title: "How Browsers Process URLs" aka "URL processing spec": HTML WG deliverable or I18N WG deliverable? from Michael[tm] Smith on 2011-11-21 (public-html@w3.org from November 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
  180. # [18:09] <Zakim> +Laura_Carlson
  181. # [18:10] <MFoladare> MFoladare is 7323681000 from AT&T
  182. # [18:10] <hober> rubys: MikeSmith not on call, public status update linked above
  183. # [18:10] <hober> ... we'll close this action
  184. # [18:10] <Zakim> + +1.415.871.aacc
  185. # [18:10] <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike
  186. # [18:10] <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
  187. # [18:10] <hober> Topic: New Issues This Week
  188. # [18:10] <Zakim> +Mike
  189. # [18:10] <hober> ISSUE-172?
  190. # [18:10] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-172
  191. # [18:10] <trackbot> ISSUE-172 -- restore <rb> as an optional element -- raised
  192. # [18:10] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/172
  193. # [18:11] <tantek> Zakim, aacc is tantek
  194. # [18:11] <Zakim> +tantek; got it
  195. # [18:11] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-172: restore as an optional element - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  196. # [18:11] <hober> rubys: was raised prematurely, re-resolved and raised again
  197. # [18:11] <hober> ISSUE-182?
  198. # [18:11] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-182
  199. # [18:11] <trackbot> ISSUE-182 -- Advice in spec about annotations promotes inaccessible content -- raised
  200. # [18:11] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/182
  201. # [18:11] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-182: Advice in spec about annotations promotes inaccessible content - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  202. # [18:11] <tantek> Zakim, mute tantek
  203. # [18:11] <Zakim> tantek should now be muted
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  205. # [18:11] <hober> ISSUE-183?
  206. # [18:11] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-183
  207. # [18:11] <trackbot> ISSUE-183 -- Enhance and simplify the time element -- open
  208. # [18:11] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/183
  209. # [18:11] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-183: Enhance and simplify the time element - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  210. # [18:11] <hober> ISSUE-184?
  211. # [18:11] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-184
  212. # [18:11] <trackbot> ISSUE-184 -- Add a data element -- open
  213. # [18:11] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/184
  214. # [18:11] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-184: Add a data element - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  215. # [18:11] <hober> ISSUE-185?
  216. # [18:11] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-185
  217. # [18:11] <trackbot> ISSUE-185 -- Drop the pubdate attribute -- open
  218. # [18:11] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/185
  219. # [18:11] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-185: Drop the pubdate attribute - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  220. # [18:12] <hober> rubys: same underlying bug being pursused as three different issues
  221. # [18:12] <hober> Topic: Items Closed Last Week
  222. # [18:12] <hober> ISSUE-174?
  223. # [18:12] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-174
  224. # [18:12] <trackbot> ISSUE-174 -- potential conflict between Link: and <link> semantics -- open
  225. # [18:12] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/174
  226. # [18:12] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-174: potential conflict between Link: and semantics - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  227. # [18:12] <hober> rubys: call for counter proposals closed
  228. # [18:12] <hober> ISSUE-181?
  229. # [18:12] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-181
  230. # [18:12] <trackbot> ISSUE-181 -- remove remains of "sidebar" link relation -- open
  231. # [18:12] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/181
  232. # [18:12] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-181: remove remains of "sidebar" link relation - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  233. # [18:12] <hober> rubys: got one proposal
  234. # [18:12] <hober> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Nov/0192.html
  235. # [18:12] <pimpbot> Title: Change Proposal for ISSUE-181, was: ISSUE-181: remove-sidebar - Chairs Solicit Proposals from Julian Reschke on 2011-11-20 (public-html@w3.org from November 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
  236. # [18:13] <hober> Topic: Items Closing This Week
  237. # [18:13] <hober> ISSUE-179?
  238. # [18:13] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-179
  239. # [18:13] <trackbot> ISSUE-179 -- {audio,video} require param child (or equivalent) -- open
  240. # [18:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/179
  241. # [18:13] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-179: {audio,video} require param child (or equivalent) - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  242. # [18:13] <hober> rubys: Change Proposals due by today
  243. # [18:13] <hober> ... related to ACTION-207
  244. # [18:13] <glenn> nothing new from me (179)
  245. # [18:13] <hober> Topic: Items Closing Next Week
  246. # [18:13] <hober> ISSUE-177?
  247. # [18:13] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-177
  248. # [18:13] <trackbot> ISSUE-177 -- References to Internet-Drafts should be given as "Work in Progress" per RFC 2026. -- open
  249. # [18:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/177
  250. # [18:13] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-177: References to Internet-Drafts should be given as "Work in Progress" per RFC 2026. - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  251. # [18:14] <hober> ISSUE-180?
  252. # [18:14] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-180
  253. # [18:14] <trackbot> ISSUE-180 -- Add "allow-popups" for iframe@sandbox -- open
  254. # [18:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/180
  255. # [18:14] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-180: Add "allow-popups" for iframe@sandbox - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  256. # [18:14] <hober> rubys: Alternate or Counter Proposals due for both of them by Dec 10
  257. # [18:14] <hober> Topic: New Calls this week
  258. # [18:14] <hober> ISSUE-133?
  259. # [18:14] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-133
  260. # [18:14] <trackbot> ISSUE-133 -- Add a modal attribute to html5 to indicate a modal segment of the DOM (modal dialog) -- open
  261. # [18:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/133
  262. # [18:14] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-133: Add a modal attribute to html5 to indicate a modal segment of the DOM (modal dialog) - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  263. # [18:14] <hober> rubys: Call for Consensus closes Dec 7
  264. # [18:14] * Parts: tantek (tantek@70.36.139.219)
  265. # [18:14] <hober> rubys: we have an updated CP that it looks like we'll have consensus on
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  267. # [18:14] <hober> ISSUE-172?
  268. # [18:14] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-172
  269. # [18:14] <trackbot> ISSUE-172 -- restore <rb> as an optional element -- raised
  270. # [18:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/172
  271. # [18:14] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-172: restore as an optional element - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  272. # [18:14] <hober> rubys: Call for Change Proposals closes Jan 7
  273. # [18:15] <tantek> Zakim, aacc is tantek
  274. # [18:15] <Zakim> sorry, tantek, I do not recognize a party named 'aacc'
  275. # [18:15] <hober> ... additional time given due to holidays
  276. # [18:15] <tantek> Zakim, who is here?
  277. # [18:15] <Zakim> On the phone I see [Apple], kimberly, Julian (muted), mjs, ??P6, Sam, glenn, Radhika_Roy, Laura_Carlson, tantek (muted), Mike
  278. # [18:15] <Zakim> [Apple] has hober
  279. # [18:15] <Zakim> On IRC I see tantek, laura, Zakim, MFoladare, RRSAgent, janina, rubys, kimberly, eliot, Julian, hober, plh_, davidb, drublic, glenn, miketaylr, arronei, ArtB, MikeSmith, ed, mjs,
  280. # [18:15] <hober> ISSUE-174?
  281. # [18:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-174
  282. # [18:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-174 -- potential conflict between Link: and <link> semantics -- open
  283. # [18:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/174
  284. # [18:15] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-174: potential conflict between Link: and semantics - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  285. # [18:15] <Zakim> ... nonge_, Dashiva, karl, slightlyoff, lgombos, shepazu, Jedi, hiro, gsnedders, inimino, Hixie, paul_irish, CIA-1, gavin, Philip, pingo, wilhelm, krijnhuman, jgraham, pimpbot,
  286. # [18:15] <hober> rubys: Call for Consensus closes Dec 7
  287. # [18:15] <Zakim> ... [tm], johndrinkwater, rektide, webben, trackbot, hsivonen, heycam|away, jmb
  288. # [18:15] <hober> ISSUE-181?
  289. # [18:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-181
  290. # [18:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-181 -- remove remains of "sidebar" link relation -- open
  291. # [18:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/181
  292. # [18:15] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-181: remove remains of "sidebar" link relation - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  293. # [18:15] <hober> rubys: Call for Counter or Alternate Change Proposals closes Jan 7
  294. # [18:15] <hober> ISSUE-182?
  295. # [18:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-182
  296. # [18:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-182 -- Advice in spec about annotations promotes inaccessible content -- raised
  297. # [18:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/182
  298. # [18:15] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-182: Advice in spec about annotations promotes inaccessible content - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  299. # [18:15] <hober> rubys: Call for Proposals closes Jan 7
  300. # [18:15] <hober> ISSUE-183?
  301. # [18:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-183
  302. # [18:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-183 -- Enhance and simplify the time element -- open
  303. # [18:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/183
  304. # [18:15] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-183: Enhance and simplify the time element - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  305. # [18:15] <hober> ISSUE-184?
  306. # [18:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-184
  307. # [18:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-184 -- Add a data element -- open
  308. # [18:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/184
  309. # [18:15] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-184: Add a data element - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  310. # [18:15] <hober> ISSUE-185?
  311. # [18:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-185
  312. # [18:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-185 -- Drop the pubdate attribute -- open
  313. # [18:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/185
  314. # [18:15] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-185: Drop the pubdate attribute - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  315. # [18:15] <hober> rubys: Call for Proposals on all three closes Jan 7
  316. # [18:16] <tantek> what was the feedback?
  317. # [18:16] <hober> rubys: we have proposals on all three, feedback has been posted for them
  318. # [18:16] <hober> ... feedback was posted on the list
  319. # [18:16] * tantek has been trying to keep up with the <time> discussions
  320. # [18:16] <hober> ... links to feedback are in the agenda
  321. # [18:16] * tantek looks for the agenda
  322. # [18:16] * hober tantek: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2011OctDec/0017.html
  323. # [18:17] <tantek> thanks hober
  324. # [18:17] <hober> Topic: New Surveys this week
  325. # [18:17] <hober> rubys: there are none
  326. # [18:17] <hober> Topic: Decisions this week
  327. # [18:17] <hober> rubys: there are none
  328. # [18:17] <hober> Topic: Other Business
  329. # [18:17] <hober> Open Web Platform Weekly Summary (2011-11-14 to 2011-11-20)
  330. # [18:17] <hober> http://www.w3.org/QA/2011/11/openweb-weekly-20.html
  331. # [18:17] <pimpbot> Title: Open Web Platform Weekly Summary - 2011-11-14 - 2011-11-20 - W3C Blog (at www.w3.org)
  332. # [18:17] <rubys> http://www.w3.org/QA/2011/11/openweb-weekly-21.html
  333. # [18:17] <pimpbot> Title: Open Web Platform Weekly Summary - 2011-11-21 - 2011-11-28 - W3C Blog (at www.w3.org)
  334. # [18:17] <Julian> q+ to ask about W3C and WhatWG specs being out of sync
  335. # [18:17] * Zakim sees Julian on the speaker queue
  336. # [18:18] <hober> rubys: Dec meeting schedule
  337. # [18:18] <hober> ... no meeting on dec 29th
  338. # [18:18] <hober> ... otherwise dec. weekly meetings will proceed as normal
  339. # [18:18] <Julian> Zakim, unmute me
  340. # [18:18] <Zakim> Julian should no longer be muted
  341. # [18:18] <hober> ack Julian:
  342. # [18:18] * Zakim sees Julian on the speaker queue
  343. # [18:19] <hober> Julian: do we have an update about the status of the html wg / whatwg specs being out of sync?
  344. # [18:19] <Julian> Zakim, unmute me
  345. # [18:19] <Zakim> Julian was not muted, Julian
  346. # [18:19] <hober> rubys: we are actively working it
  347. # [18:19] <Julian> Zakim, mute me
  348. # [18:19] <Zakim> Julian should now be muted
  349. # [18:19] <hober> ... chairs are meeting tomorrow (friday) on this
  350. # [18:19] <hober> ... jeff jaffe is aware of this
  351. # [18:19] <hober> ... we're looking at 9 separate ways to deal with this
  352. # [18:19] <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
  353. # [18:20] <hober> ... we don't have a resolution yet, but it is a priority for us to deal with
  354. # [18:20] * Julian thx
  355. # [18:20] <tantek> Zakim, q+ to mention 4th issue related to time
  356. # [18:20] <Zakim> I see Julian, tantek on the speaker queue
  357. # [18:20] <Julian> q-
  358. # [18:20] * Zakim sees tantek on the speaker queue
  359. # [18:20] <hober> rubys: any other other business?
  360. # [18:20] <tantek> Zakim, unmute tantek
  361. # [18:20] <Zakim> tantek should no longer be muted
  362. # [18:20] <hober> tantek: looking at 3 <time>-related issues mentioned
  363. # [18:20] <hober> tantek: fourth issue didn't get recorded
  364. # [18:21] <tantek> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Nov/0186.html
  365. # [18:21] <pimpbot> Title: Re: noted 3 issues re: time/data (was Re: minutes for HTML WG f2f, 2011-11-04, part 1) from Tantek Çelik on 2011-11-19 (public-html@w3.org from November 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
  366. # [18:21] <hober> ... sam had noted the enhancements hixie made to <time> were beyond the original proposal
  367. # [18:21] <tantek> in short:
  368. # [18:21] <tantek> 4. Enhance the time element to fully represent the date time types
  369. # [18:21] <tantek> that the input element can capture. Most of these are also covered by
  370. # [18:21] <tantek> issue 1, with the exception of year-week only dates and thus this is a
  371. # [18:21] <tantek> delta issue from that issue with a corresponding delta change
  372. # [18:21] <tantek> proposal:
  373. # [18:21] <tantek> http://www.w3.org/wiki/User:Tantekelik/time_input_match
  374. # [18:21] <pimpbot> Title: User:Tantekelik/time input match - W3C Wiki (at www.w3.org)
  375. # [18:21] <hober> rubys: happy to include this in the first issue, or as a new issue
  376. # [18:22] <hober> tantek: fewer issues are better
  377. # [18:22] <hober> tantek: talked about this at f2f
  378. # [18:22] <hober> tantek: i'd prefer to keep this separate, since the first issue got at least rough consensus at the f2f
  379. # [18:22] <hober> rubys: we did get pushback on the list from people not at the f2f
  380. # [18:22] <hober> tantek: on that specific issue (year-week)
  381. # [18:22] <hober> rubys: not sure
  382. # [18:23] <Zakim> + +1.720.934.aadd
  383. # [18:23] <hober> tantek: the pushback i saw on-list was primarily related to pubdate="" and <data>
  384. # [18:23] <hober> rubys: i'll get back to you
  385. # [18:23] <hober> q?
  386. # [18:23] * Zakim sees tantek on the speaker queue
  387. # [18:23] <hober> ack tantek
  388. # [18:23] <Zakim> tantek, you wanted to mention 4th issue related to time
  389. # [18:23] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  390. # [18:23] <tantek> Zakim, mute tantek
  391. # [18:23] <Zakim> tantek should now be muted
  392. # [18:23] <hober> Topic: scribe for next meeting
  393. # [18:23] <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
  394. # [18:23] <hober> rubys: any volunteers?
  395. # [18:23] * hober ducks
  396. # [18:24] <hober> Topic: Adjournment
  397. # [18:24] <Zakim> -glenn
  398. # [18:24] <Zakim> -Mike
  399. # [18:24] <Zakim> -mjs
  400. # [18:24] <Zakim> -??P6
  401. # [18:24] <Zakim> - +1.720.934.aadd
  402. # [18:24] <Zakim> -Sam
  403. # [18:24] <Zakim> -[Apple]
  404. # [18:24] <Zakim> -kimberly
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  406. # [18:24] <Zakim> -Laura_Carlson
  407. # [18:24] * Parts: janina (janina@173.66.40.230)
  408. # [18:24] <Zakim> -tantek
  409. # [18:24] <Zakim> -Radhika_Roy
  410. # [18:24] <hober> RRSAgent: make minutes
  411. # [18:24] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/12/01-html-wg-minutes.html hober
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  413. # [18:24] <hober> RRSAgent: make minutes public
  414. # [18:24] <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', hober. Try /msg RRSAgent help
  415. # [18:25] * hober MikeSmith: what's the incantation to make the minutes public? /me never remembers
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  417. # [18:25] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 15007] Add an API to queue a task <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0027.html>
  418. # [18:26] <MikeSmith> hober: RRSAgent, make logs worldI
  419. # [18:26] <MikeSmith> I think
  420. # [18:26] <MikeSmith> or "make logs public"
  421. # [18:26] <tantek> RRSAgent, make logs public
  422. # [18:26] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, tantek
  423. # [18:26] <Zakim> -Julian
  424. # [18:26] * hober thanks guys
  425. # [18:26] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  426. # [18:26] <Zakim> Attendees were kimberly, Sam, glenn, Radhika_Roy, hober, Julian, mjs, Laura_Carlson, +1.415.871.aacc, Mike, tantek, Cynthia_Shelly, +1.720.934.aadd
  427. # [18:26] <MikeSmith> cheers brothermans
  428. # [18:26] <tantek> Zakim, aacc is tantek
  429. # [18:26] <Zakim> sorry, tantek, I do not recognize a party named 'aacc'
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  432. # [18:35] <tantek> rubys, looks like the issue 4 I noted in that email will likely become issue 187 - would it be possible to give it the same timeline (CfP etc.) as the other 3 (183-185) ?
  433. # [18:35] <tantek> I think it would be confusing if it had a different schedule.
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  436. # [18:36] <rubys> tantek: can you take a look at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Nov/0181.html ?
  437. # [18:36] <pimpbot> Title: Re: noted 3 issues re: time/data (was Re: minutes for HTML WG f2f, 2011-11-04, part 1) from Marat Tanalin | tanalin.com on 2011-11-18 (public-html@w3.org from November 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
  438. # [18:36] * tantek has also added links to all the time/data related tracker issues from the respective change proposals
  439. # [18:37] <rubys> if we have multiple competing change proposals, I think we should go with your preference for fewer issues, as the motivation for separate issues was (AIUI) to seize the opportunity for consensus on what we can (something I enthusiatically support)
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  441. # [18:40] <tantek> somehow I missed Marat's change proposal
  442. # [18:40] * tantek will review
  443. # [18:42] <rubys> I've gone back through the emails for the past month and added the relevant ones to the three issues.
  444. # [18:43] <tantek> great
  445. # [18:43] <rubys> I'm only listing ones that are potentially critical, not the ones that supported the proposal, as these will be the ones that need to be addressed.
  446. # [18:43] <rubys> I did this quickly -- some of them may have already been addressed.
  447. # [18:43] <tantek> no problem - that focus makes sense
  448. # [18:43] <rubys> If we can find a way to split out an issue over which there is no dissent, I would support that.
  449. # [18:46] <tantek> ok. from reviewing Marat's change proposal it seems like the first part about simplifying the datetime syntax is orthogonal (complementary) to the enhanced_time element change proposal I made.
  450. # [18:46] <tantek> however it conflicts with drop_pubdate
  451. # [18:47] <tantek> and I would disagree with renaming @datetime to @value, as well as adding @update/pubupdate (for the same reasons I think it makes sense to drop_pubdate)
  452. # [18:47] <rubys> If you can get with marat and come to closure on these topics?
  453. # [18:48] <rubys> it would be wonderful to have consensus on all or even part of 183. We can then work 185 separately.
  454. # [18:48] <tantek> ok
  455. # [18:54] <tantek> rubys - I'd prefer fewer issue too, but for now, since we've already got separate change proposals (plus the point about rough f2f consensus), could you create http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/187 for the issue 4 (enhance time with year-week) that I mentioned?
  456. # [18:55] <tantek> and I'll go through the Related notes: emails you added to 183-185 and update the change proposals accordingly.
  457. # [18:55] <tantek> thanks.
  458. # [18:55] <rubys> tantek: can you give me until tomorrow? I want to check with mjs and paulc.
  459. # [18:56] <tantek> of course
  460. # [18:56] <rubys> thanks.
  461. # [18:56] <tantek> it will take me at least that long to also go through all the related emails.
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  467. # [19:56] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13614] Do not obsolete abbr on TH and TD <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0028.html>
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  470. # [20:26] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 15032] New: Use 'after' (not 'before') to describe cue list creation algorithm. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0030.html> ** [Bug 15031] New: MediaController: Event handler 'ontimeupdate' has event type 'durationchange' instead of 'timeupdate' <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0029.html>
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  477. # [21:13] <stpeter_> MikeSmith: are you around?
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  480. # [21:20] <rubys> stpeter_: it is 5:15am in Japan. Not likely.
  481. # [21:21] <stpeter_> rubys: he said he would join a call right now about the URL parsing spec, but perhaps he nodded off or his alarm didn't raise him from a deep slumber :)
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  484. # [21:38] <stpeter_> we found him :) thanks
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  486. # [21:44] <pimpbot> planet: Paul Rouget: Faster Canvas Pixel Manipulation with Typed Arrays <http://hacks.mozilla.org/2011/12/faster-canvas-pixel-manipulation-with-typed-arrays/>
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