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  4. # [00:17] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 14992] The table at http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/named-character-references.html (8.5 Named character references) uses the U+XXXXX notation (with 5 digits) to indicate codepoints. The usual convention is to use U+XXXX for BMP characters (i.e. U+0000 - U+FFFF), an <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0411.html> ** [Bug 14895] MouseEventInit not defined by [DOMEVENTS] (DOM-3 Events) <http://lists.w3.org/Archiv
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  6. # [00:47] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 14810] First content model definition of <canvas> should get removed (1. Transparent 2. Transparent, but…), if the but always applies. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0439.html> ** [Bug 15000] Don't fire load until the image is fully decodable. If the image is corrupt or unsupported, the spec says to fire load *and* error, but browsers don't do that. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ht
  7. # [00:51] <pimpbot> planet: ieblog: Moving to Standards-based Web Graphics in IE10 <http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2011/12/07/moving-to-standards-based-web-graphics-in-ie10.aspx>
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  17. # [01:49] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 14104] <track> Live captioning <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0470.html>
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  40. # [06:58] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12417] HTML5 is missing attribute for specifying translatability of content <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0476.html> ** [Bug 15109] New: asd fdsdadsa badfa <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0475.html>
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  54. # [09:01] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13614] Define <th abbr=""> as a way to provide a name for a row/column that is used when describing cells for which that cell is a header <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0481.html> ** [Bug 14937] Replace poor coding example for figure with multiple images <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0480.html> ** [Bug 13614] Define <th abbr=""> as a way to provide a name for
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  58. # [10:03] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12417] HTML5 is missing attribute for specifying translatability of content <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0483.html>
  59. # [10:34] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 15100] Right-aligning a numeric table column is much more work than it should be <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0484.html> ** [Bug 15100] Right-aligning a numeric table column is much more work than it should be <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0485.html> ** [Bug 15095] Allow data: URL for new Worker(). Supported by Opera and Firefox. <http://lists.w3.org/Arch
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  63. # [11:05] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 15110] New: Non Gregorian Calendars needs to be supported in the date/datetime input <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0489.html> ** [Bug 14750] Clarify what the origin of the new document is if the document is blown away (consider if the old document set document.domain) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0487.html> ** [Bug 15063] each MessageChannel acts as its own
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  78. # [12:06] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12417] HTML5 is missing attribute for specifying translatability of content <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0495.html> ** [Bug 10830] i18n comment : Please add support for rb <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0494.html>
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  81. # [12:54] <pimpbot> planet: Steve Faulkner: HTML5 canvas accessibility discussions 2009-2011 <http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2011/12/html5-canvas-accessibility-discussions-2009-2011/>
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  84. # [13:40] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 15112] New: Videos from Mindlocator1 Youtube channel <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0499.html> ** [Bug 15081] Hi I was wondering if / when some sort of implementation of a "capture" tag would be introduced. Removing the need to add extra third party code or writing your own "capture" system. Surely this would be a good addition to the spec, it would mean less spa <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/
  85. # [13:54] <pimpbot> planet: Bruce: Notes on Adaptive Images (yet again!) <http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/2011/notes-on-adaptive-images-yet-again/>
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  101. # [15:42] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 15113] New: "Document" could have a pointer to the "Documents in the DOM" section (the partial Document interface) so that it's possible to find what was previously the HTMLDocument interface by following xrefs <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0501.html>
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  110. # [16:55] <pimpbot> planet: Robert Nyman: Mozilla Hacks Weekly, December 8th 2011 <http://hacks.mozilla.org/2011/12/mozilla-hacks-weekly-december-8th-2011/>
  111. # [17:13] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 15114] New: A "date-optional-state" should be available, for when the specifity of the date is unknown. This would give the user the option of selecting a year, month, or day. Any additional requirements (e.g. required month) can be taken care of with [pattern]. Woul <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0504.html> ** [Bug 15114] Proposed "date-optional-state" for <input> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Publi
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  128. # [18:05] <paulc> Good morning.
  129. # [18:06] <Julian> hi there
  130. # [18:06] <paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2011OctDec/0019.html
  131. # [18:06] <pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2011-12-08: actions, issues and task force reports from Paul Cotton on 2011-12-07 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from October to December 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
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  133. # [18:06] <adrianba> trackbot, start telcon
  134. # [18:06] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference
  135. # [18:06] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  136. # [18:06] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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  138. # [18:06] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
  139. # [18:06] <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
  140. # [18:06] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  141. # [18:06] <trackbot> Date: 08 December 2011
  142. # [18:06] <Julian> Zakim, who's on the phone?
  143. # [18:06] <Zakim> On the phone I see mjs, [Microsoft], Julian
  144. # [18:07] <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
  145. # [18:07] <Zakim> +paulc; got it
  146. # [18:07] <Julian> Zakim, mute me
  147. # [18:07] <Zakim> Julian should now be muted
  148. # [18:07] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
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  150. # [18:07] <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft.a] has adrianba, krisk
  151. # [18:07] <Zakim> +adrianba, krisk; got it
  152. # [18:07] <Zakim> +glenn
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  154. # [18:07] <adrianba> ScribeNick: adrianba
  155. # [18:07] <adrianba> Scribe: Adrian Bateman
  156. # [18:07] * Julian good evening
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  158. # [18:07] <adrianba> Chair: Paul Cotton
  159. # [18:07] <adrianba> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2011OctDec/0019.html
  160. # [18:07] <pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2011-12-08: actions, issues and task force reports from Paul Cotton on 2011-12-07 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from October to December 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
  161. # [18:07] <Zakim> + +1.732.238.aaaa
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  163. # [18:08] <MFOLADARE> 732238 is MFOLADARE from, AT&T
  164. # [18:08] <Zakim> +Sam
  165. # [18:08] <Zakim> +??P24
  166. # [18:08] <manu1> zakim, code?
  167. # [18:08] <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), manu1
  168. # [18:08] <rubys> zakim, aaaa is MFOLADARE from AT&T
  169. # [18:08] <Zakim> I don't understand 'aaaa is MFOLADARE from AT&T', rubys
  170. # [18:08] <janina> zakim, ??P24 is Janina_Sajka
  171. # [18:08] <Zakim> +Janina_Sajka; got it
  172. # [18:09] <Zakim> + +1.503.713.aabb
  173. # [18:09] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.aa]
  174. # [18:09] <Zakim> - +1.503.713.aabb
  175. # [18:09] <eliot> zakim, Microsoft.aa has me
  176. # [18:09] <Zakim> +eliot; got it
  177. # [18:09] <Zakim> +??P22
  178. # [18:09] <Zakim> + +1.503.713.aacc
  179. # [18:09] <eliot> new intern?
  180. # [18:10] <adrianba> TOPIC: ACTION items due by Thursday, December 8
  181. # [18:10] <adrianba> ACTION-207?
  182. # [18:10] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-207
  183. # [18:10] <trackbot> ACTION-207 -- Paul Cotton to confirm that change proposal for av_param is still active -- due 2011-12-08 -- OPEN
  184. # [18:10] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/207
  185. # [18:10] <pimpbot> Title: ACTION-207: Confirm that change proposal for av_param is still active - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  186. # [18:11] <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
  187. # [18:11] <adrianba> paulc: this is related to ISSUE-179
  188. # [18:11] <adrianba> ISSUE-179?
  189. # [18:11] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-179
  190. # [18:11] <trackbot> ISSUE-179 -- {audio,video} require param child (or equivalent) -- open
  191. # [18:11] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/179
  192. # [18:11] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-179: {audio,video} require param child (or equivalent) - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  193. # [18:11] <adrianba> paulc: I don't have anything more to report on this
  194. # [18:11] <adrianba> ACTION-207 due dec 22
  195. # [18:11] * trackbot attempting to change due date on ACTION-207.
  196. # [18:11] <trackbot> ACTION-207 Confirm that change proposal for av_param is still active due date now dec 22
  197. # [18:11] <adrianba> paulc: we'll check to see the status of that action at that time
  198. # [18:11] <adrianba> TOPIC: New Issues This Week
  199. # [18:11] <adrianba> ISSUE-186?
  200. # [18:11] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-186
  201. # [18:11] <trackbot> ISSUE-186 -- conformance error for use of role=presentation on interactive elements -- raised
  202. # [18:11] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/186
  203. # [18:11] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-186: conformance error for use of role=presentation on interactive elements - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  204. # [18:12] <adrianba> paulc: first four items have calls for change proposals later on the agenda
  205. # [18:12] <adrianba> ISSUE-187?
  206. # [18:12] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-187
  207. # [18:12] <trackbot> ISSUE-187 -- Document conformance has to be stable over the time -- raised
  208. # [18:12] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/187
  209. # [18:12] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-187: Document conformance has to be stable over the time - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  210. # [18:12] <manu1> zakim, I am ??P22
  211. # [18:12] <Zakim> +manu1; got it
  212. # [18:12] <adrianba> ISSUE-188?
  213. # [18:12] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-188
  214. # [18:12] <trackbot> ISSUE-188 -- Text tracks in HTML should be defined in a way agnostic of the specific caption format -- raised
  215. # [18:12] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/188
  216. # [18:12] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-188: Text tracks in HTML should be defined in a way agnostic of the specific caption format - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  217. # [18:12] <adrianba> ISSUE-189?
  218. # [18:12] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-189
  219. # [18:12] <trackbot> ISSUE-189 -- Prefix convention needs to be coordinated with IETF -- raised
  220. # [18:12] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/189
  221. # [18:12] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-189: Prefix convention needs to be coordinated with IETF - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  222. # [18:13] <adrianba> ISSUE-190?
  223. # [18:13] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-190
  224. # [18:13] <trackbot> ISSUE-190 -- Replace poor coding example for figure with multiple images -- raised
  225. # [18:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/190
  226. # [18:13] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-190: Replace poor coding example for figure with multiple images - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  227. # [18:13] <adrianba> paulc: fifth issue was opened in the last 24 hours
  228. # [18:13] <adrianba> ... we also have one outstanding TrackerRequest for bug 13057
  229. # [18:13] <pimpbot> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13057 daniel.glazman, P2, RESOLVED WONTFIX, Remove INS and DEL elements in favor of a new set of attributes
  230. # [18:13] <adrianba> bug 13057?
  231. # [18:13] * manu1 apologies for the crying baby... my wife had a temporary emergency and handed my daughter to me while I was dialing in... muted... but then she kicked the mouse, which unmuted me :P
  232. # [18:14] <adrianba> TOPIC: Items Closed Last Week
  233. # [18:14] <adrianba> ISSUE-179?
  234. # [18:14] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-179
  235. # [18:14] <trackbot> ISSUE-179 -- {audio,video} require param child (or equivalent) -- open
  236. # [18:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/179
  237. # [18:14] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-179: {audio,video} require param child (or equivalent) - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  238. # [18:14] <adrianba> paulc: since this closed on dec 1, we have not yet issued calls for counter proposals because of our attempt to see what the web & tv IG will do here
  239. # [18:15] <adrianba> ... chairs are on top of this and watching what is happening here
  240. # [18:15] <adrianba> ... since there are so many other issues pending this doesn't seem like a problem
  241. # [18:15] <adrianba> TOPIC: Items Closing This Week
  242. # [18:15] <adrianba> ISSUE-133?
  243. # [18:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-133
  244. # [18:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-133 -- Add a modal attribute to html5 to indicate a modal segment of the DOM (modal dialog) -- open
  245. # [18:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/133
  246. # [18:15] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-133: Add a modal attribute to html5 to indicate a modal segment of the DOM (modal dialog) - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  247. # [18:15] <adrianba> ISSUE-174?
  248. # [18:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-174
  249. # [18:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-174 -- potential conflict between Link: and <link> semantics -- open
  250. # [18:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/174
  251. # [18:15] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-174: potential conflict between Link: and semantics - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  252. # [18:15] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12964] <video>: Declarative linking of full-text transcripts to video and audio elements <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0515.html> ** [Bug 12794] <video> Add a non-normative note on how to provide text alternatives for media elements <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0514.html> ** [Bug 10919] Allow role="presentation" to override the default role of any element <
  253. # [18:15] <adrianba> paulc: i haven't had chance to check on the status of this - does anybody know?
  254. # [18:16] <adrianba> rubys: i haven't seen any objections either
  255. # [18:16] <adrianba> paulc: probably move forward on consensus
  256. # [18:16] <adrianba> ISSUE-177?
  257. # [18:16] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-177
  258. # [18:16] <trackbot> ISSUE-177 -- References to Internet-Drafts should be given as "Work in Progress" per RFC 2026. -- open
  259. # [18:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/177
  260. # [18:16] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-177: References to Internet-Drafts should be given as "Work in Progress" per RFC 2026. - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  261. # [18:16] <adrianba> ISSUE-180?
  262. # [18:16] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-180
  263. # [18:16] <trackbot> ISSUE-180 -- Add "allow-popups" for iframe@sandbox -- open
  264. # [18:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/180
  265. # [18:16] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-180: Add "allow-popups" for iframe@sandbox - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  266. # [18:17] <adrianba> paulc: call for counter proposals ends on saturday
  267. # [18:17] <adrianba> TOPIC: Items Closing Next Week
  268. # [18:17] <adrianba> paulc: none
  269. # [18:17] <adrianba> TOPIC: New Calls this week
  270. # [18:17] <adrianba> paulc: four calls for change proposals that close on jan 14 - an extra week to account for the end of year holiday period
  271. # [18:17] <adrianba> ISSUE-186?
  272. # [18:17] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-186
  273. # [18:17] <trackbot> ISSUE-186 -- conformance error for use of role=presentation on interactive elements -- raised
  274. # [18:17] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/186
  275. # [18:17] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-186: conformance error for use of role=presentation on interactive elements - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  276. # [18:17] <adrianba> ISSUE-187?
  277. # [18:17] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-187
  278. # [18:17] <trackbot> ISSUE-187 -- Document conformance has to be stable over the time -- raised
  279. # [18:17] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/187
  280. # [18:17] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-187: Document conformance has to be stable over the time - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  281. # [18:17] <adrianba> ISSUE-188?
  282. # [18:17] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-188
  283. # [18:17] <trackbot> ISSUE-188 -- Text tracks in HTML should be defined in a way agnostic of the specific caption format -- raised
  284. # [18:17] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/188
  285. # [18:18] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-188: Text tracks in HTML should be defined in a way agnostic of the specific caption format - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  286. # [18:18] <adrianba> ISSUE-189?
  287. # [18:18] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-189
  288. # [18:18] <trackbot> ISSUE-189 -- Prefix convention needs to be coordinated with IETF -- raised
  289. # [18:18] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/189
  290. # [18:18] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-189: Prefix convention needs to be coordinated with IETF - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  291. # [18:18] <adrianba> paulc: we have a new issue 190, i've already prepared the call for change proposals and will likely go out today or tomorrow
  292. # [18:18] <adrianba> TOPIC: New Surveys this week
  293. # [18:18] <adrianba> paulc: none
  294. # [18:18] <adrianba> TOPIC: Decisions this week
  295. # [18:19] <adrianba> paulc: none
  296. # [18:19] <adrianba> TOPIC: Task Force Reports - Testing Task Force
  297. # [18:19] <adrianba> krisk: met as planned on nov 29
  298. # [18:19] <adrianba> ... meet again dec 13
  299. # [18:19] <adrianba> ... that will be the last meeting of the year
  300. # [18:19] <krisk> Notes -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2011Dec/0002.html
  301. # [18:19] <pimpbot> Title: Re: MOSQUITO project to contribute to HTML5 tests from James Graham on 2011-12-07 (public-html-testsuite@w3.org from December 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
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  303. # [18:20] <adrianba> ... we've created an IDL harness for testing WebIDL
  304. # [18:20] <adrianba> ... the MOSQUITO project from Europe will be submitting 47 input tests for HTML
  305. # [18:20] <krisk> See -> http://html5.mosquito-fp7.eu/
  306. # [18:20] <pimpbot> Title: HTML5 - MOSQUITO contribution (at html5.mosquito-fp7.eu)
  307. # [18:20] <adrianba> ... that's all for today - questions?
  308. # [18:21] <adrianba> TOPIC: Task Force Reports - Accessibility Task Force
  309. # [18:21] <adrianba> janina: we continue to meet - several of the subgroups are active
  310. # [18:21] <adrianba> ... change proposal was approved on the reopen request for issue-131
  311. # [18:21] <adrianba> ISSUE-131?
  312. # [18:21] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-131
  313. # [18:21] <trackbot> ISSUE-131 -- Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? -- closed
  314. # [18:21] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131
  315. # [18:21] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-131: Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  316. # [18:21] <adrianba> ... this is to define a baseline - important for implementations
  317. # [18:22] <adrianba> ... previous proposal was not precise about this - proposed options
  318. # [18:22] <adrianba> ... have agreement on what should suffice
  319. # [18:22] <adrianba> ... hopefully this will close the loop
  320. # [18:22] <adrianba> ... remainder of work is to look at bugs with status NEEDSINFO or still need processing from the TF
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  322. # [18:22] <adrianba> ... i think that's a fair summary of where we are
  323. # [18:23] <adrianba> paulc: questions?
  324. # [18:23] <manu1> q+
  325. # [18:23] * Zakim sees manu1 on the speaker queue
  326. # [18:23] <adrianba> TOPIC: Other Business
  327. # [18:23] <adrianba> paulc: fyi - Open Web Platform summary for w/e 28th
  328. # [18:23] <adrianba> http://www.w3.org/QA/2011/11/openweb-weekly-21.html
  329. # [18:23] <pimpbot> Title: Open Web Platform Weekly Summary - 2011-11-21 - 2011-11-28 - W3C Blog (at www.w3.org)
  330. # [18:24] <manu1> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Dec/0031.html
  331. # [18:24] <adrianba> paulc: request for review of RDFa Lite FPWD
  332. # [18:24] <pimpbot> Title: Request for Review of RDFa Lite FPWD from Manu Sporny on 2011-12-05 (public-html@w3.org from December 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
  333. # [18:24] <adrianba> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Dec/0031.html
  334. # [18:24] <glenn> q+
  335. # [18:24] * Zakim sees manu1, glenn on the speaker queue
  336. # [18:24] <adrianba> manu: a little bit of background might be helpful
  337. # [18:24] <adrianba> ... RDFa 1.1 was supposed to go to LC and be done by now and there was a launch from all the search engine companies on an effort called schema.org
  338. # [18:25] <adrianba> ... to make it easier to mark up people places events on the web
  339. # [18:25] <adrianba> ... they want a lighter profile for RDFa before they want to support it
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  341. # [18:25] <adrianba> ... this lite spec is the work since last july up to now
  342. # [18:25] <adrianba> ... it is a stripped down version of RDFa - we don't want implementers/authors/validators lives more difficult
  343. # [18:26] <adrianba> ... spec is meant as a best practice spec for how to use RDFa simply
  344. # [18:26] <adrianba> ... HTML WG suggested asking for review by the WG so we could take a look at it
  345. # [18:26] <adrianba> ... we've had two reviews so far
  346. # [18:26] <adrianba> ... we haven't put in the publication request but everything is ready to go
  347. # [18:26] <adrianba> ... question mostly for the chairs is whether it's okay to send the publication request out at this point
  348. # [18:27] <adrianba> ... it's a FPWD at this point
  349. # [18:27] <adrianba> ... should we go forward? should this document be co-produced by the HTML WG and RDFa WG?
  350. # [18:28] <adrianba> paulc: personal position reflected in my comments - i'm a little concerned about layering of specifications
  351. # [18:28] <adrianba> ... i think i understand why you're doing it - because it's expeditious
  352. # [18:28] <adrianba> ... not convinced it's the correct layering
  353. # [18:28] <adrianba> ... on whether you should go ahead, i personally am not trying to stand in the way of fpwd and always my mantra that only have to have agreement to publish not content
  354. # [18:28] <adrianba> ... not seen any counter to publishing
  355. # [18:29] <adrianba> ... seen some commentary on the first issue which you've made into an issue
  356. # [18:29] <adrianba> ... with my chair hat on i've seen no input from WG that you shouldn't go ahead
  357. # [18:29] <adrianba> rubys: should we go forward? yes
  358. # [18:29] <adrianba> ... should it be joint deliverable? i don't have a position on
  359. # [18:29] <adrianba> paulc: second question is related to my comments
  360. # [18:30] <paulc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Dec/0049.html
  361. # [18:30] <pimpbot> Title: RE: RDF Web Apps ISSUE-124 (was: Re: Request for Review of RDFa Lite FPWD) from Paul Cotton on 2011-12-08 (public-html@w3.org from December 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
  362. # [18:30] <adrianba> ... suggest reviewing some of my comments
  363. # [18:30] <adrianba> maciej: no comments from me
  364. # [18:30] <adrianba> paulc: anyone on the call against publishing this fpwd?
  365. # [18:30] <manu1> q+ to outline how we might work a bit more smoothly in the future.
  366. # [18:30] * Zakim sees manu1, glenn on the speaker queue
  367. # [18:30] <adrianba> ... since you've asked on public list and no comments here, i suggest you go ahead
  368. # [18:31] <adrianba> paulc: objection to unanimous consent to moving ahead?
  369. # [18:31] <adrianba> ... none heard
  370. # [18:32] <glenn> my question is on status of updating editor's draft, still stuck on November 4
  371. # [18:32] <adrianba> manu: mention that in the future i will cc HTML WG when we do a transition for this document
  372. # [18:32] <rubys> +1
  373. # [18:32] <adrianba> ... came as a surprise this time which we didn't intend to happen
  374. # [18:33] <adrianba> ... we've got 2 new WDs coming out
  375. # [18:33] <adrianba> ... RDFa core and RDFa+HTML next week - will provide an update then
  376. # [18:33] <adrianba> paulc: believe you said in the introduction that you want RDFa 1.1 to LC and having the lite version was important
  377. # [18:33] <adrianba> ... when will 1.1 go to LC?
  378. # [18:34] <adrianba> manu: we have two tracks of docs - with and without dependency on HTML5
  379. # [18:34] <adrianba> ... we want the ones not dependent on HTML5 forward - RDFa Core 1.1 and RDFa+HTML 1.1
  380. # [18:34] <adrianba> ... HTML+RDFa and Lite are dependent on HTML5
  381. # [18:34] <adrianba> q?
  382. # [18:34] * Zakim sees manu1, glenn on the speaker queue
  383. # [18:34] <adrianba> ack manu1
  384. # [18:34] <Zakim> manu1, you wanted to outline how we might work a bit more smoothly in the future.
  385. # [18:35] * Zakim sees glenn on the speaker queue
  386. # [18:35] <adrianba> paulc: Status of the W3C canvas2d and html5 editors drafts
  387. # [18:35] <adrianba> ... we have a request from WG to figure out how to get the ED created again
  388. # [18:35] * nonge_ is now known as nonge
  389. # [18:36] <adrianba> ... we've met several times in the last week on this and intend to meet again immediately after this call
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  391. # [18:36] * manu1 thanks the HTML WG Chairs and the rest on the call... will start turning the crank on RDFa publications now.
  392. # [18:36] <adrianba> ... we don't have anything to report but #1 priority
  393. # [18:36] <adrianba> paulc: not the current timeline
  394. # [18:36] <glenn> q- paulc addressed my question
  395. # [18:36] * Zakim glenn, you typed too many words without commas; I suspect you forgot to start with 'to ...'
  396. # [18:36] <adrianba> ... next important date is dec 31 for all bugs to be addressed by editors
  397. # [18:36] <glenn> q-
  398. # [18:36] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  399. # [18:36] <adrianba> ... in the last week bug count down from 120 to about 30
  400. # [18:37] <adrianba> ... editor, certainly of html5 spec, processing a large number of bugs in the last week
  401. # [18:37] <adrianba> ... some have comments and a dialogue
  402. # [18:37] <adrianba> ... believe we're in good shape to meet this deadline
  403. # [18:38] <adrianba> ... remind wg members for items processed by the editors, next date is jan 14 - last date where you can add TrackerRequest keyword because you disagree
  404. # [18:38] <adrianba> q?
  405. # [18:38] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  406. # [18:38] <adrianba> TOPIC: Chair and Scribe for next meeting
  407. # [18:38] <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
  408. # [18:38] <adrianba> paulc: any volunteer to scribe next week on dec 15?
  409. # [18:39] <adrianba> ... no volunteers - chairs will figure out who will chair and scribe
  410. # [18:39] <adrianba> TOPIC: Adjournment
  411. # [18:39] <adrianba> paulc: meeting is adjourned
  412. # [18:39] <adrianba> rrsagent, make minutes
  413. # [18:39] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/12/08-html-wg-minutes.html adrianba
  414. # [18:39] <adrianba> rrsagent, make logs public
  415. # [18:39] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, adrianba
  416. # [18:39] * manu1 Thanks!
  417. # [18:39] * rubys +1
  418. # [18:39] <Zakim> -glenn
  419. # [18:39] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.aa]
  420. # [18:39] * manu1 :)
  421. # [18:39] <Zakim> - +1.732.238.aaaa
  422. # [18:39] <Zakim> -Sam
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  424. # [18:39] <Zakim> -Julian
  425. # [18:39] <Zakim> -Janina_Sajka
  426. # [18:39] <Zakim> -manu1
  427. # [18:39] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
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  431. # [18:40] <Zakim> -mjs
  432. # [18:40] * Parts: rubys (rubys@98.27.59.167)
  433. # [18:40] <adrianba> zakim, bye
  434. # [18:40] <Zakim> leaving. As of this point the attendees were mjs, Julian, paulc, [Microsoft], adrianba, krisk, glenn, +1.732.238.aaaa, Sam, Janina_Sajka, +1.503.713.aabb, eliot, +1.503.713.aacc,
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  436. # [18:40] <Zakim> ... Cynthia_Shelly, manu1
  437. # [18:40] <adrianba> rrsagent, make minutes
  438. # [18:40] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/12/08-html-wg-minutes.html adrianba
  439. # [18:40] <pimpbot> Title: HTML Weekly Teleconference -- 08 Dec 2011 (at www.w3.org)
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  442. # [18:44] <ottobot> hello group
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  444. # [18:45] <ottobot> i'm doing a bit of research regarding HTML5
  445. # [18:45] <ottobot> and was hoping someone here could help me?
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  447. # [18:46] <manu1> ottobot, dump your questions in here... I'm sure someone will be able to respond to them in time.
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  449. # [19:04] <ottobot> cool thanks..
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  451. # [19:04] <ottobot> can anybody recommend a framework for HTML5 games?
  452. # [19:06] <ottobot> rather, i should say, for *developing* games in HTML5
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  456. # [19:08] <manu1> ottobot, watch this: http://w3conf.org/#HTML5_Gaming
  457. # [19:08] <pimpbot> Title: W3C Conference 2011 (at w3conf.org)
  458. # [19:09] <manu1> (HELLO. GAMES. HTML5 GAMING TODAY.)
  459. # [19:09] <manu1> wow, caps
  460. # [19:09] <ottobot> oh many thanks
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  463. # [19:16] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10631] Named access on the Window object doesn't work for XHTML documents in WebKit, Firefox, or (trivially) IE. Dumping objects in the global scope is sad face. Can we restrict this behavior to HTML documents? (The bug for implementing this in XHTML was rece <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0517.html> ** [Bug 15117] New: Typo [WEBWORKERS] for WebVTT reference <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/publi
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  472. # [20:18] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10198] The Gregorian is not a Universal standard for calendars. HTML5 must provide ways for other calendar types. e.g. The "Hijri" calendar is used throughout in Arab countries. The "Persian" calendar is used in Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan. The "Hebrew" calen <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0522.html> ** [Bug 13057] Remove INS and DEL elements in favor of a new set of attributes <http://lists.w3.or
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  477. # [20:48] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 15110] Non Gregorian Calendars needs to be supported in the date/datetime input <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0524.html>
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  490. # [22:51] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13359] <track> A way is needed to identify the type of data in a track element <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0527.html>
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  499. # [23:53] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 15120] New: It would appear that setTimeout()'s algorithm doesn't ever actually check whether the task is still in the list of active timeouts, and doesn't remove the timeout from the list of active timeouts. Similarly with setInterval(). <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0529.html> ** [Bug 15110] Non Gregorian Calendars needs to be supported in the date/datetime input <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Publ
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