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  33. # [01:04] <pimpbot> planet: openmatt: Mozilla web makers round-up: Popcorn wins, Hive buzzes, youth hack <http://openmatt.wordpress.com/2011/12/14/dec14roundup/>
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  35. # [01:14] <pimpbot> changes: hixie: Update the dropzone='' syntax to use string: and file: rather than s: and f:. No point being terse here. (whatwg r6873) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Dec/0044.html>
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  40. # [01:48] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 15193] New: draggable and dropzone regions require labels <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0762.html> ** [Bug 15193] draggable and dropzone regions require labels <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0763.html> ** [Bug 15192] New: section 8.1.4 Character references; section 8.2.2.2 Character encodings In section 8.2.2.2, we say, "User agents must at a minimum support t
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  45. # [02:14] <pimpbot> changes: sam: Fix typos <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Dec/0046.html> ** hixie: Change atob() to ignore whitespace. This is a potentially breaking change, but Opera has implemented it for a while and doesn't seem to have had any problems resulting. (whatwg r6874) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Dec/0045.html>
  46. # [02:50] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 15195] New: apparently incorrect note about violation of Unicode wrt stripping leading BOM <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0764.html>
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  56. # [04:23] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 15202] New: The method and formmethod content attributes are enumerated attributes with the following keywords and states: The keyword get, mapping to the state GET, indicating the HTTP GET method. The keyword post, mapping to the state POST, indicating the HTTP POST <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0765.html>
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  63. # [05:25] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 15203] New: http://www.hisuprashoes.com/new-supra-womens-tk-society-purple-yellow-p-603.html New Supra http://www.hisuprashoes.com/womens-supra-tk-society-c-84.html purple supra http://www.hisuprashoes.com/supra-bandit-purple-shoes-p-457.html Supra Bandit Purple Sh <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0766.html>
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  71. # [06:05] <pimpbot> planet: Jesper Kristensen: Firefox/Gecko Delivery Meeting Minutes: 2011-12-14 <http://blog.mozilla.com/meeting-notes/archives/731>
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  73. # [06:27] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 14890] For invalid Date, the terminology here seems to be "undefined" insted of "null" according to WebIDL, and the ECMAScript "null" value should never reach here according to the IDL description of attribute "valueAsDate". For readiblity, I suggest we just s/i <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0767.html>
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  84. # [09:02] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 15202] The method and formmethod content attributes are enumerated attributes with the following keywords and states: The keyword get, mapping to the state GET, indicating the HTTP GET method. The keyword post, mapping to the state POST, indicating the HTTP POST <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0768.html>
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  91. # [11:37] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12984] Contributions to HTML5: Techniques for providing useful text alternatives <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0769.html>
  92. # [12:07] <pimpbot> planet: Anne van Kesteren: WHATWG Weekly: Stream API and better autocomplete <http://blog.whatwg.org/weekly-stream-autocomplete>
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  105. # [13:41] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 15207] New: In the TrackEventInit dictionary the member should be named 'track' and not 'Track'. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0771.html> ** [Bug 15207] <track> In the TrackEventInit dictionary the member should be named 'track' and not 'Track'. <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0770.html> ** [Bug 15193] draggable and dropzone regions require labels <http://li
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  112. # [14:11] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 15208] New: s/invokation/invocation/ ? <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0773.html>
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  114. # [14:48] <pimpbot> changes: steve: minor change to wording to correct grammar <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Dec/0047.html>
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  118. # [15:08] <pimpbot> planet: Mozilla: Mozilla Announces Firefox Flicks <http://blog.mozilla.com/blog/2011/12/15/mozilla-announces-firefox-flicks/>
  119. # [15:35] <CIA-1> validator: Henri Sivonen <hsivonen@iki.fi> * e8b16b743a88 r718 htmlparser/src/nu/validator/htmlparser/impl/Tokenizer.java: Mozilla bug 535530 - Transition to the return state eagerly when a semicolon has matched when tokenizing a named character reference. r=smaug.
  120. # [15:35] <CIA-1> validator: Henri Sivonen <hsivonen@iki.fi> * 5b026546075d r719 htmlparser/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Mozilla bug 703965 - Adjust headers for the C++ translation.
  121. # [15:35] <pimpbot> Bug http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=535530 was not found.
  122. # [15:36] <pimpbot> Bug http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=703965 was not found.
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  127. # [15:45] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 15140] The video element's poster attribute requires clarification in relation to precedence <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0774.html>
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  132. # [16:16] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 15140] The video element's poster attribute requires clarification in relation to precedence <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0775.html>
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  138. # [16:46] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 15211] New: (editorial) In step 16, remove duplicate URLs in <var>file list</var> as well. (It should be apparent so whether entry merging actually affects <var>file list</var> is sort of editorial nit I guess.) <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0776.html>
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  140. # [17:18] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 15213] New: Drag-and-drop processing model <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0780.html> ** [Bug 15213] Drag-and-drop processing model <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0779.html> ** [Bug 15212] New: If a text selection is identified for a drag operation <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0777.html> ** [Bug 15212] If a text selec
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  145. # [17:48] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 11240] Canvas support accessible selection position tracking independent of Focus Ring tracking <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0788.html> ** [Bug 10853] HTML5 lacks a verbose description mechanism <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0787.html> ** [Bug 10774] fallback for accesskey insufficiently defined <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/20
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  152. # [18:06] <rubys> trackbot, start meeting
  153. # [18:06] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference
  154. # [18:06] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  155. # [18:06] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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  157. # [18:06] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
  158. # [18:06] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  159. # [18:06] <trackbot> Date: 15 December 2011
  160. # [18:06] <mjs> do we have a scribe designated?
  161. # [18:06] <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
  162. # [18:06] <paulc> Nope.
  163. # [18:06] * hober can scribe
  164. # [18:06] <paulc> zakim, who is here?
  165. # [18:06] <Zakim> On the phone I see [Microsoft], mjs, [Apple]
  166. # [18:06] <Zakim> On IRC I see rubys, janina, paulc, Julian, cjones, drublic, miketaylr, davidb, plh, MikeSmith, ArtB, anne, karl, tH, danielfilho, mjs, arronei, trackbot, webben, johndrinkwater,
  167. # [18:07] <Zakim> ... krijnh, Dashiva, Shunsuke, hiro, lgombos, lucasalvini, slightlyoff, Hixie, CIA-1, pingo, hober, RRSAgent, ed, shepazu, Jedi, gsnedders, inimino, paul_irish, gavin, Philip,
  168. # [18:07] <hober> Zakim, Apple has me
  169. # [18:07] <Zakim> ... wilhelm, jgraham, pimpbot, [tm], rektide, hsivonen, heycam|away, jmb
  170. # [18:07] <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
  171. # [18:07] <Zakim> +hober; got it
  172. # [18:07] <Zakim> +paulc; got it
  173. # [18:07] <Zakim> +Sam
  174. # [18:07] <Zakim> +??P27
  175. # [18:07] <janina> zakim, ??P27 is Janina_Sajka
  176. # [18:07] <Zakim> +Janina_Sajka; got it
  177. # [18:07] <Zakim> +Julian
  178. # [18:08] <Julian> Zakim, mute me
  179. # [18:08] <Zakim> Julian should now be muted
  180. # [18:08] <MikeSmith> Zakim, call MikeSmith
  181. # [18:08] <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike
  182. # [18:08] <Zakim> I am sorry, MikeSmith; I do not know a number for MikeSmith
  183. # [18:08] <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
  184. # [18:08] <Zakim> +Mike
  185. # [18:08] <hober> ScribeNick: hober
  186. # [18:08] <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
  187. # [18:09] <hober> Topic: Action items due by Thursday, December 15
  188. # [18:09] <hober> mjs: there are none
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  191. # [18:09] <hober> Topic: New Issues This Week
  192. # [18:09] <hober> ISSUE-190?
  193. # [18:09] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-190
  194. # [18:09] <trackbot> ISSUE-190 -- Replace poor coding example for figure with multiple images -- raised
  195. # [18:09] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/190
  196. # [18:09] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-190: Replace poor coding example for figure with multiple images - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  197. # [18:09] <Zakim> +Laura_Carlson
  198. # [18:09] <hober> mjs: this is about one of the examples in the <figure> section of the spec
  199. # [18:09] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
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  201. # [18:09] <eliot> zakim, microsoft.a is me
  202. # [18:09] <Zakim> +eliot; got it
  203. # [18:10] <hober> ISSUE-191?
  204. # [18:10] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-191
  205. # [18:10] <trackbot> ISSUE-191 -- Replace/complement <ins> and <del> elements by a cleaner wysiwyg-safe attribute-based solution -- raised
  206. # [18:10] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/191
  207. # [18:10] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-191: Replace/complement and elements by a cleaner wysiwyg-safe attribute-based solution - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  208. # [18:10] <Zakim> +adrianba
  209. # [18:10] <hober> mjs: based on discussion in a bug
  210. # [18:10] <hober> mjs: <ins> and <del> used to show edit history
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  212. # [18:11] <hober> ISSUE-192?
  213. # [18:11] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-192
  214. # [18:11] <trackbot> ISSUE-192 -- title attribute definition does not match reality -- raised
  215. # [18:11] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/192
  216. # [18:11] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-192: title attribute definition does not match reality - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  217. # [18:11] <Zakim> +??P9
  218. # [18:11] <Zakim> +glenn
  219. # [18:11] <hober> mjs: steve argues that the way title="" behaves in browsers doesn't match the spec
  220. # [18:11] <hober> Topic: Items Closed Last Week
  221. # [18:12] <hober> ISSUE-133?
  222. # [18:12] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-133
  223. # [18:12] <trackbot> ISSUE-133 -- Add a modal attribute to html5 to indicate a modal segment of the DOM (modal dialog) -- open
  224. # [18:12] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/133
  225. # [18:12] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-133: Add a modal attribute to html5 to indicate a modal segment of the DOM (modal dialog) - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  226. # [18:12] <hober> mjs: CfC closed 12/7
  227. # [18:12] * Joins: Clarke (qw3birc@128.30.52.28)
  228. # [18:12] <hober> ... had multiple change proposals, all but one dropped
  229. # [18:12] <hober> ISSUE-174?
  230. # [18:12] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-174
  231. # [18:12] <trackbot> ISSUE-174 -- potential conflict between Link: and <link> semantics -- open
  232. # [18:12] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/174
  233. # [18:12] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-174: potential conflict between Link: and semantics - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  234. # [18:12] <hober> mjs: only received one change proposal, no counters
  235. # [18:12] <hober> mjs: CfC passed
  236. # [18:12] <hober> ISSUE-177?
  237. # [18:12] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-177
  238. # [18:12] <trackbot> ISSUE-177 -- References to Internet-Drafts should be given as "Work in Progress" per RFC 2026. -- open
  239. # [18:12] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/177
  240. # [18:12] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-177: References to Internet-Drafts should be given as "Work in Progress" per RFC 2026. - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  241. # [18:13] <hober> mjs: IETF prefers I-Ds to be cited as works in progress
  242. # [18:13] <hober> ... Going to CfC now
  243. # [18:13] <hober> ISSUE-180?
  244. # [18:13] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-180
  245. # [18:13] <trackbot> ISSUE-180 -- Add "allow-popups" for iframe@sandbox -- open
  246. # [18:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/180
  247. # [18:13] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-180: Add "allow-popups" for iframe@sandbox - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  248. # [18:13] <hober> mjs: call for alternate or counter proposals closed
  249. # [18:13] <hober> ... new iframe sandbox directive that would allow popups to be displayed
  250. # [18:14] <hober> ... editor has expressed willingness to adopt proposal
  251. # [18:14] <hober> ... likely to be closed by amicable consensus
  252. # [18:14] <hober> Topic: Items Closing This Week
  253. # [18:14] <hober> mjs: there aren't any
  254. # [18:14] <hober> Topic: Items Closing Next Week
  255. # [18:14] <hober> ISSUE-179?
  256. # [18:14] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-179
  257. # [18:14] <trackbot> ISSUE-179 -- {audio,video} require param child (or equivalent) -- open
  258. # [18:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/179
  259. # [18:14] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-179: {audio,video} require param child (or equivalent) - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  260. # [18:14] <hober> mjs: call for proposals closes 12/22
  261. # [18:15] <hober> ... lots of discussion at TPAC on this issue
  262. # [18:15] <glenn> believes the WebTV IG will be forwarding proposal to HTML WG
  263. # [18:15] <hober> Topic: New Calls this week
  264. # [18:15] <glenn> regarding adding specific AV params
  265. # [18:15] <hober> ISSUE-177?
  266. # [18:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-177
  267. # [18:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-177 -- References to Internet-Drafts should be given as "Work in Progress" per RFC 2026. -- open
  268. # [18:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/177
  269. # [18:15] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-177: References to Internet-Drafts should be given as "Work in Progress" per RFC 2026. - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  270. # [18:16] <Clarke> q+
  271. # [18:16] * Zakim sees Clarke on the speaker queue
  272. # [18:16] <hober> mjs reports on what glenn said in irc
  273. # [18:16] <hober> ack
  274. # [18:17] <rubys> ack next
  275. # [18:17] * Zakim sees Clarke at the head of the speaker queue
  276. # [18:17] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  277. # [18:17] <hober> mjs: ISSUE-177 CfC closes 12/28
  278. # [18:17] * Quits: anne (annevk@24.132.106.179) (Quit: anne)
  279. # [18:17] <hober> ... any objection needs to be accompanied with a change proposal
  280. # [18:17] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Dec/0079.html
  281. # [18:17] <pimpbot> Title: CfC: Close ISSUE-177: ietf-id-wip by Amicable Resolution from Paul Cotton on 2011-12-12 (public-html@w3.org from December 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
  282. # [18:18] <hober> ISSUE-177 CfC closes 12/20, not on the 28th as claimed in the agenda
  283. # [18:18] <hober> ISSUE-190?
  284. # [18:18] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-190
  285. # [18:18] <trackbot> ISSUE-190 -- Replace poor coding example for figure with multiple images -- raised
  286. # [18:18] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/190
  287. # [18:18] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-190: Replace poor coding example for figure with multiple images - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  288. # [18:18] <hober> mjs: call for proposals closes 1/21
  289. # [18:18] <hober> ... allowing a little extra time due to the holiday break
  290. # [18:19] <hober> ISSUE-191?
  291. # [18:19] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-191
  292. # [18:19] <trackbot> ISSUE-191 -- Replace/complement <ins> and <del> elements by a cleaner wysiwyg-safe attribute-based solution -- raised
  293. # [18:19] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/191
  294. # [18:19] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-191: Replace/complement and elements by a cleaner wysiwyg-safe attribute-based solution - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  295. # [18:19] <hober> ISSUE-192?
  296. # [18:19] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-192
  297. # [18:19] <trackbot> ISSUE-192 -- title attribute definition does not match reality -- raised
  298. # [18:19] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/192
  299. # [18:19] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-192: title attribute definition does not match reality - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  300. # [18:19] <hober> Topic: New Surveys this week
  301. # [18:19] <hober> mjs: there aren't any
  302. # [18:19] <hober> Topic: Decisions this week
  303. # [18:19] <hober> ISSUE-133?
  304. # [18:19] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-133
  305. # [18:19] <trackbot> ISSUE-133 -- Add a modal attribute to html5 to indicate a modal segment of the DOM (modal dialog) -- open
  306. # [18:19] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/133
  307. # [18:19] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-133: Add a modal attribute to html5 to indicate a modal segment of the DOM (modal dialog) - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  308. # [18:19] <hober> mjs: was resolved by amicable consensus
  309. # [18:20] <hober> ISSUE-174?
  310. # [18:20] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-174
  311. # [18:20] <trackbot> ISSUE-174 -- potential conflict between Link: and <link> semantics -- open
  312. # [18:20] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/174
  313. # [18:20] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-174: potential conflict between Link: and semantics - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  314. # [18:20] <hober> mjs: also passed by amicable consensus
  315. # [18:20] <hober> Topic: Other Business
  316. # [18:20] <hober> ISSUE-131?
  317. # [18:20] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-131
  318. # [18:20] <trackbot> ISSUE-131 -- Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? -- open
  319. # [18:20] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131
  320. # [18:20] <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-131: Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
  321. # [18:20] <hober> Re-opening of ISSUE-131 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Dec/0059.html
  322. # [18:20] <pimpbot> Title: Re: Request to re-open issue 131 from Sam Ruby on 2011-12-09 (public-html@w3.org from December 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
  323. # [18:21] <hober> mjs: received a change proposal for a portion of the original decision
  324. # [18:21] <hober> mjs: we expect lots of other proposals challenging other aspects of the decision
  325. # [18:21] <hober> mjs: we vacated the previous decision
  326. # [18:21] <hober> mjs: we'll need someone to provide a proposal defending what's in the spec
  327. # [18:22] <hober> ... may split into multiple issues
  328. # [18:22] <hober> ... the issue covered several changes, thematically related but logically separable
  329. # [18:22] <hober> ... please help us get a stronger resolution this time
  330. # [18:23] <hober> Vacated time portion of revert request for r6783 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Dec/0058.html
  331. # [18:23] <pimpbot> Title: Re: noted 3 issues re: time/data (was Re: minutes for HTML WG f2f, 2011-11-04, part 1) from Sam Ruby on 2011-12-09 (public-html@w3.org from December 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
  332. # [18:23] <hober> mjs: mailing list discussion revealed rough consensus on direction for <time>
  333. # [18:23] <hober> ... so we recinded that aspect of the revert request
  334. # [18:24] <hober> ... still ongoing discussion of <data> and pubdate=""
  335. # [18:24] <hober> Open Web Platform Weekly Summary for 2011-12-05 - 2011-12-11 http://www.w3.org/QA/2011/12/open_web_platform_weekly_summa.html
  336. # [18:24] <pimpbot> Title: Open Web Platform Weekly Summary - 2011-12-05 - 2011-12-11 - W3C Blog (at www.w3.org)
  337. # [18:24] <hober> mjs: a number of HTML related items in there
  338. # [18:25] <hober> Fresh editor's drafts http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Dec/0085.html
  339. # [18:25] <pimpbot> Title: Re: Is the W3C version of the spec branched or stuck at Nov 04, was: Revert request for r6783 from Sam Ruby on 2011-12-13 (public-html@w3.org from December 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
  340. # [18:25] <hober> mjs: WG members have noted that editor's drafts weren't updating
  341. # [18:25] <hober> ... they are now relatively freshly updated
  342. # [18:26] <hober> ... canvas spec is at 12/9, html at 12/15
  343. # [18:26] <hober> HTML Speech XG http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Dec/0080.html
  344. # [18:26] <pimpbot> Title: HTML Speech XG Completes, seeks feedback for eventual standardization from Dan Burnett on 2011-12-12 (public-html@w3.org from December 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
  345. # [18:27] <hober> mjs: Speech XG want input from the HTML WG on their work
  346. # [18:27] <hober> ... strongly encourage WG members to go over their work & provide feedback
  347. # [18:27] <hober> Topic: Web and TV IG update
  348. # [18:28] <mjs> ack Clarke
  349. # [18:28] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  350. # [18:28] <hober> Clarke: we intend to submit 2 proposals
  351. # [18:28] <hober> ... one is for network-level error message reporting
  352. # [18:28] <hober> ... will help provide better service
  353. # [18:28] <hober> ... the other proposal is for adaptive bitrate parameters, feedback, and error messages
  354. # [18:29] <hober> ... we discussed it in our meeting today
  355. # [18:29] <hober> ... expect to submit something by the end of the day
  356. # [18:29] <rubys> http://dev.w3.org/html5/decision-policy/decision-policy.html#change-proposal
  357. # [18:29] <pimpbot> Title: HTML Working Group Decision Policy (at dev.w3.org)
  358. # [18:29] <hober> ... do our proposals need to be in a particular format?
  359. # [18:29] <hober> mjs: for discussion in the group, any format is fine
  360. # [18:29] <paulc> Can I suggest that the proposals indicate exactly what bugs they are speaking to.
  361. # [18:30] <paulc> q+
  362. # [18:30] * Zakim sees paulc on the speaker queue
  363. # [18:30] <hober> ... if you want it to be a change proposal, should conform to the decision policy's description of what goes in CPs
  364. # [18:30] <mjs> ack paulc
  365. # [18:30] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  366. # [18:30] <hober> paulc: do your wiki pages & proposals indicate precisely which bugs you're responding to?
  367. # [18:30] <hober> Clarke: not currently
  368. # [18:31] <hober> paulc: that would be really helpful for the WG
  369. # [18:31] <hober> paulc: re: format, earlier is better, so don't spend too much time wordsmithing
  370. # [18:31] <hober> paulc: does this tell the WG what changes we want to make and why
  371. # [18:31] <paulc> q-
  372. # [18:31] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  373. # [18:32] <hober> rubys: if you cover the what & why, you're 90% of the way to a CP
  374. # [18:33] <hober> Topic: Other Other Business
  375. # [18:33] <Laura> What is the Chairs' plan to move on ISSUE-30 longdesc? Is there a timeline?
  376. # [18:33] <Laura> Paul had previously mentioned that the Chairs had estimated that they would be finished reviewing proposals on Dec 11.
  377. # [18:33] <Laura> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2011Nov/0227.html
  378. # [18:33] <pimpbot> Title: RE: [text] HTML-A11Y Text, TUES 29 NOV, 2011, 17:00 Z, (1PM Eastern), 60 min from Paul Cotton on 2011-11-29 (public-html-a11y@w3.org from November 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
  379. # [18:33] <hober> mjs: we've reviewed one of the change proposals
  380. # [18:33] <hober> mjs: review of jonas' proposal is almost ready to go
  381. # [18:34] <hober> mjs: we hope the final review will be out before the holiday break
  382. # [18:34] <hober> Topic: Scribe for next meeting
  383. # [18:34] * Parts: paul_irish (paul___iri@205.186.165.150)
  384. # [18:34] <hober> mjs: any volunteers? meeting will be on 12/22
  385. # [18:35] <hober> Topic: Adjournment
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  387. # [18:35] <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
  388. # [18:35] <Zakim> -Janina_Sajka
  389. # [18:35] <Zakim> -Mike
  390. # [18:35] <Zakim> -[Apple]
  391. # [18:35] <Zakim> -Julian
  392. # [18:35] <Zakim> -??P9
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  394. # [18:35] <Zakim> -glenn
  395. # [18:35] <Zakim> -mjs
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  397. # [18:35] <Zakim> -Sam
  398. # [18:35] <Zakim> -Laura_Carlson
  399. # [18:35] <Zakim> -adrianba
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  402. # [18:36] <hober> RRSAgent: generate minutes
  403. # [18:36] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/12/15-html-wg-minutes.html hober
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  413. # [19:04] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  414. # [19:04] <Zakim> Attendees were mjs, hober, paulc, Sam, Janina_Sajka, Julian, Mike, Cynthia_Shelly, Laura_Carlson, [Microsoft], eliot, adrianba, glenn
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  419. # [19:53] <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 15213] Drag-and-drop processing model <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Dec/0791.html>
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