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  66. # [18:05] <paulc> zakim, who is on the phone?
  67. # [18:05] <paulc> zakim is quite slow today or maybe is not here yet.
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  70. # [18:07] * hober is on the call, even if zakim doesn't know it
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  74. # [18:08] <Julian> Zakim, who's on the phone?
  75. # [18:08] <Zakim> sorry, Julian, I don't know what conference this is
  76. # [18:08] <Zakim> On IRC I see hober, trackbot, krisk, paulc, cjones, Julian, drublic, glenn, dveditz, davidb, plh, ArtB, nonge, pingo, Dashiva, mjs, shepazu, MikeSmith, danielfilho, paul___irish,
  77. # [18:08] <Zakim> ... heycam|away, gavin, webben, slightlyoff, Hixie, johndrinkwater, Jedi, inimino, krijnh, rektide, hsivonen, hiro, ed, lgombos, gsnedders, CIA-1, hober2, Philip, jgraham, [tm],
  78. # [18:08] <Zakim> ... jmb
  79. # [18:08] <paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2012JanMar/0006.html
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  81. # [18:08] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/01/26-html-wg-irc
  82. # [18:08] <hober> RRSAgent, this will be HTML
  83. # [18:08] <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'this will be HTML', hober. Try /msg RRSAgent help
  84. # [18:08] <paulc> zakim, who is on the phone?
  85. # [18:08] <Zakim> sorry, paulc, I don't know what conference this is
  86. # [18:08] <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, hober, trackbot, krisk, paulc, cjones, Julian, drublic, glenn, dveditz, davidb, plh, ArtB, nonge, pingo, Dashiva, mjs, shepazu, MikeSmith,
  87. # [18:08] <Zakim> ... danielfilho, paul___irish, heycam|away, gavin, webben, slightlyoff, Hixie, johndrinkwater, Jedi, inimino, krijnh, rektide, hsivonen, hiro, ed, lgombos, gsnedders, CIA-1,
  88. # [18:09] <Zakim> ... hober2, Philip, jgraham, [tm], jmb
  89. # [18:09] <krisk> zakim, this is html-wg
  90. # [18:09] <Zakim> sorry, krisk, I do not see a conference named 'html-wg' in progress or scheduled at this time
  91. # [18:09] <hober> Zakim, this will be HTML_WG
  92. # [18:09] <Zakim> ok, hober, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
  93. # [18:09] <Julian> Zakim, who's on the phone?
  94. # [18:09] <Zakim> On the phone I see [Microsoft], [Apple], [Microsoft.a], Julian, +1.415.595.aaaa
  95. # [18:09] <hober> Zakim, Apple has me
  96. # [18:09] <Zakim> +hober; got it
  97. # [18:09] <Julian> Zakim, mute me
  98. # [18:09] <Zakim> Julian should now be muted
  99. # [18:09] <paulc> Zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
  100. # [18:09] <Zakim> +paulc; got it
  101. # [18:10] <hober> ScribeNick: hober
  102. # [18:10] <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike
  103. # [18:10] <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
  104. # [18:10] <Zakim> +Mike
  105. # [18:10] <krisk> zakim, Microsoft.a is me
  106. # [18:10] <Zakim> +krisk; got it
  107. # [18:10] <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
  108. # [18:10] <mjs> Zakim, +1.415.595.aaaa is me
  109. # [18:10] <Zakim> +mjs; got it
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  111. # [18:11] <hober> Topic: Action items due by Thursday, January 26
  112. # [18:11] <hober> paulc: there aren't any
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  114. # [18:12] <hober> paulc: the one oustanding action item is due next week
  115. # [18:12] <hober> Topic: New Issues This Week
  116. # [18:12] * Parts: ksweeney (ksweeney@63.119.10.10)
  117. # [18:12] <hober> ISSUE-203?
  118. # [18:12] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-203
  119. # [18:12] <trackbot> ISSUE-203 -- All Media Elements should have the ability to have both short and longer textual descriptions associated to the element -- raised
  120. # [18:12] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/203
  121. # [18:12] <hober> paulc: there's a call for change proposals out
  122. # [18:12] <hober> Topic: Items Closed Last Week
  123. # [18:12] <hober> ISSUE-180?
  124. # [18:12] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-180
  125. # [18:12] <trackbot> ISSUE-180 -- Add "allow-popups" for iframe@sandbox -- open
  126. # [18:12] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/180
  127. # [18:12] <Zakim> +Radhika_Roy
  128. # [18:12] <hober> paulc: no objections to the CfC
  129. # [18:12] <hober> ISSUE-181?
  130. # [18:12] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-181
  131. # [18:12] <trackbot> ISSUE-181 -- remove remains of "sidebar" link relation -- open
  132. # [18:12] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/181
  133. # [18:12] <hober> paulc: no objections to the CfC
  134. # [18:12] <hober> ISSUE-187?
  135. # [18:12] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-187
  136. # [18:12] <trackbot> ISSUE-187 -- Document conformance has to be stable over the time -- open
  137. # [18:12] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/187
  138. # [18:13] <hober> paulc: we have a change proposals, so there's a call for alternate proposals
  139. # [18:13] <hober> ISSUE-190?
  140. # [18:13] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-190
  141. # [18:13] <trackbot> ISSUE-190 -- Replace poor coding example for figure with multiple images -- open
  142. # [18:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/190
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  145. # [18:13] <hober> paulc: we have a change proposal
  146. # [18:13] <hober> ISSUE-191?
  147. # [18:13] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-191
  148. # [18:13] <trackbot> ISSUE-191 -- Replace/complement <ins> and <del> elements by a cleaner wysiwyg-safe attribute-based solution -- open
  149. # [18:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/191
  150. # [18:13] <hober> paulc: closed on 1/21, we have a change proposal
  151. # [18:13] <hober> ISSUE-192?
  152. # [18:13] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-192
  153. # [18:13] <trackbot> ISSUE-192 -- title attribute definition does not match reality -- open
  154. # [18:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/192
  155. # [18:13] <hober> paulc: call for change proposals closed on 1/21
  156. # [18:14] <hober> Topic: Items Closing This Week
  157. # [18:14] <hober> paulc: due to christmas break, there are none
  158. # [18:14] <hober> Topic: Items Closing Next Week
  159. # [18:14] <hober> paulc: there are none
  160. # [18:14] <hober> Topic: New Calls this week
  161. # [18:14] <hober> ISSUE-187?
  162. # [18:14] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-187
  163. # [18:14] <trackbot> ISSUE-187 -- Document conformance has to be stable over the time -- open
  164. # [18:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/187
  165. # [18:14] <Zakim> +??P27
  166. # [18:14] <hober> paulc: call for alternate change proposals closes on 2/23
  167. # [18:14] <Clarke> +Clarke_Stevens
  168. # [18:14] * Zakim wonders where Clarke_Stevens is
  169. # [18:14] <hober> ISSUE-190?
  170. # [18:14] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-190
  171. # [18:14] <trackbot> ISSUE-190 -- Replace poor coding example for figure with multiple images -- open
  172. # [18:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/190
  173. # [18:15] <Clarke> zakim, ??P27 is me
  174. # [18:15] <Zakim> +Clarke; got it
  175. # [18:15] <hober> paulc: we have a single change proposal; call for counter change proposals closes on 2/23
  176. # [18:15] <hober> ISSUE-191?
  177. # [18:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-191
  178. # [18:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-191 -- Replace/complement <ins> and <del> elements by a cleaner wysiwyg-safe attribute-based solution -- open
  179. # [18:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/191
  180. # [18:15] <hober> paulc: call for counter change proposals closes on 2/23
  181. # [18:15] <hober> ISSUE-192?
  182. # [18:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-192
  183. # [18:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-192 -- title attribute definition does not match reality -- open
  184. # [18:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/192
  185. # [18:15] <hober> paulc: call for alternate or counter change proposals closes on 2/23, we have a single proposal
  186. # [18:15] <hober> paulc: we encourage wg members to discuss these on public-html
  187. # [18:15] <hober> paulc: early filing of counter proposals is encouraged
  188. # [18:16] <hober> Topic: New Surveys this week
  189. # [18:16] <hober> paulc: there aren't any
  190. # [18:16] <hober> Topic: Decisions this week
  191. # [18:16] <hober> ISSUE-180?
  192. # [18:16] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-180
  193. # [18:16] <trackbot> ISSUE-180 -- Add "allow-popups" for iframe@sandbox -- open
  194. # [18:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/180
  195. # [18:16] <hober> ISSUE-181?
  196. # [18:16] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-181
  197. # [18:16] <trackbot> ISSUE-181 -- remove remains of "sidebar" link relation -- open
  198. # [18:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/181
  199. # [18:16] <hober> paulc: both have been closed by amicable consensus because there were no objections
  200. # [18:16] <hober> paulc: the related bugs will be so marked & the editor has been asked to make the changes
  201. # [18:16] <hober> Topic: Task Force Reports
  202. # [18:17] <hober> Topic: Testing Task Force report
  203. # [18:17] <hober> krisk: met last week on the 17th
  204. # [18:17] <krisk> Meeting Notes -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2012Jan/0004.html
  205. # [18:17] <hober> krisk: slow month, but a few more test submissions came in
  206. # [18:17] <hober> krisk: jgraham is helping with test reviews
  207. # [18:17] <hober> krisk: we meet again next week
  208. # [18:18] <hober> krisk: sent a mail to the testing list updating our schedule through the end of july & updated wiki about same
  209. # [18:18] <krisk> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2012Jan/0005.html
  210. # [18:18] <hober> paulc: do you have a page that describes the current test suite status?
  211. # [18:18] <krisk> http://w3c-test.org/html/tests/
  212. # [18:19] <krisk> http://w3c-test.org/html/
  213. # [18:19] * hober has the echo too
  214. # [18:19] <hober> Topic: Accessibility Task Force report
  215. # [18:19] <hober> MikeSmith: we met today
  216. # [18:19] <MikeSmith> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2012Jan/0270.html
  217. # [18:19] <paulc> zakim, who is on the phone?
  218. # [18:19] <Zakim> On the phone I see [Microsoft], [Apple], krisk, Julian (muted), mjs, Mike, Cynthia_Shelly, Radhika_Roy, Clarke
  219. # [18:19] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc
  220. # [18:19] <Zakim> [Apple] has hober
  221. # [18:20] <MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/2012/01/26-html-a11y-minutes.html
  222. # [18:20] <hober> MikeSmith: we talked about the <meta name=generator> cp steve f. has been working on
  223. # [18:20] <hober> MikeSmith: the spec has an exception for image alternative text if there's a <meta name=generator> element in the doc
  224. # [18:20] <hober> MikeSmith: CP will advocate for removing this exception
  225. # [18:21] <hober> MikeSmith: tentative resolution to endorse this CP
  226. # [18:21] <hober> MikeSmith: TF asking steve to fix up the negative effects section
  227. # [18:21] <hober> MikeSmith: also talked about revert request laura submitted yesterday
  228. # [18:22] <hober> MikeSmith: no resolution
  229. # [18:22] <hober> MikeSmith: a11y tf has a number of sub teams
  230. # [18:22] <hober> MikeSmith: the bug triage team was quite active at the end of the year
  231. # [18:22] <hober> MikeSmith: many bugs have been open for a long time in NEEDSINFO state
  232. # [18:23] <hober> MikeSmith: some in NEEDSINFO for a year or more
  233. # [18:23] <hober> MikeSmith: we're going to remind folk to supply requested information on these bugs
  234. # [18:23] <MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/2012/01/19-html-a11y-minutes.html
  235. # [18:24] <hober> ???: a11y api mapping is coming along, would like feedback from test tf
  236. # [18:24] <hober> MikeSmith: we have a sub team working on a implementors guide for a11y platform api mappings
  237. # [18:24] <MikeSmith> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-api-map/raw-file/tip/Overview.html
  238. # [18:25] <MikeSmith> s/???/Cynthia/
  239. # [18:25] <MikeSmith> HTML to Platform Accessibility APIs Implementation Guide: A user agent developer's guide to understanding and implementing accessibility support in HTML
  240. # [18:25] <hober> Topic: Other Business
  241. # [18:25] <hober> ISSUE-177?
  242. # [18:25] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-177
  243. # [18:25] <trackbot> ISSUE-177 -- References to Internet-Drafts should be given as "Work in Progress" per RFC 2026. -- open
  244. # [18:25] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/177
  245. # [18:26] <hober> krisk: are they looking for someone to write tests for the mapping doc?
  246. # [18:26] <hober> MikeSmith: they'd like a conversation with you about this
  247. # [18:26] <hober> paulc: ISSUE-177, re-issued call for input from Chairs
  248. # [18:26] <hober> ... item is still pending, would like more feedback from wg members
  249. # [18:28] <hober> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0132.html
  250. # [18:28] <paulc> DP bug: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13263
  251. # [18:28] <hober> ISSUE-30?
  252. # [18:28] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-30
  253. # [18:28] <trackbot> ISSUE-30 -- Should HTML 5 include a longdesc attribute for images -- open
  254. # [18:28] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/30
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  256. # [18:29] <hober> paulc: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2012Jan/0231.html
  257. # [18:29] <hober> paulc: mjs has given current status of this issue on the a11y list
  258. # [18:29] <hober> paulc: chairs are continuing to work on finalizing their review of the cp
  259. # [18:30] <hober> Topic: Revised Timeline and New Bug Priority Policy
  260. # [18:30] <hober> paulc: rich and the a11y tf have asked for the schedule to be revisited given upcoming events
  261. # [18:30] <hober> paulc: chairs have replied
  262. # [18:31] <hober> paulc: chairs would like to get a concrete proposal
  263. # [18:31] <hober> paulc: it's hard to get others to respond without there being a concrete proposal on the table
  264. # [18:31] <hober> paulc: laura's revert request
  265. # [18:31] <paulc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0136.html
  266. # [18:32] <hober> paulc: the chairs can't convene until early next week due to travel etc.
  267. # [18:32] <paulc> The Chairs will process this request early next week when we can convene a meeting with all three co-chairs present.
  268. # [18:33] <hober> Topic: Chair and Scribe for next meeting
  269. # [18:33] <hober> paulc: it's mjs's turn to chair next week
  270. # [18:33] <hober> paulc: volunteers to scribe?
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  272. # [18:33] <hober> paulc tentatively volunteers
  273. # [18:34] <Zakim> +Rich
  274. # [18:34] <hober> Topic: Revised Timeline and New Bug Priority Policy
  275. # [18:35] <hober> paulc: summarizes previous conversation to rich
  276. # [18:35] <hober> paulc: sam asked for a concrete proposal
  277. # [18:35] <paulc> see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0113.html
  278. # [18:36] <paulc> "If you would like us to consider a change, making a concrete proposal "
  279. # [18:36] <hober> richardschwerdtfe: my main justification is, if we have counter proposals, will we have time to address them in that 1 month period
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  281. # [18:37] <hober> paulc: please respond to sam
  282. # [18:37] <Zakim> -Clarke
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  284. # [18:37] <hober> paulc: would help to paramaterize, e.g. "if we get 10 CPs, we could use N weeks instead of 4 weeks"
  285. # [18:37] <hober> richardschwerdtfe: sounds fair
  286. # [18:37] <hober> Topic: Adjournment
  287. # [18:37] <hober> paulc: we are adjourned
  288. # [18:37] <Zakim> -Mike
  289. # [18:37] <Zakim> -Rich
  290. # [18:37] <Zakim> -Radhika_Roy
  291. # [18:37] <Zakim> -krisk
  292. # [18:37] <Zakim> -[Apple]
  293. # [18:37] <Zakim> -Julian
  294. # [18:38] <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
  295. # [18:38] <Zakim> -mjs
  296. # [18:38] <hober> RRSAgent: generate minutes
  297. # [18:38] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/26-html-wg-minutes.html hober
  298. # [18:39] <hober> RRSAgent: make logs public
  299. # [18:39] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, hober
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  321. # [19:42] <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, [Microsoft], in HTML_WG()12:00PM
  322. # [19:42] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  323. # [19:42] <Zakim> Attendees were Julian, hober, paulc, Mike, krisk, Cynthia_Shelly, mjs, Radhika_Roy, Clarke, Rich
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  334. # [21:03] <MikeSmith> issue-177?
  335. # [21:03] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-177
  336. # [21:03] <trackbot> ISSUE-177 -- References to Internet-Drafts should be given as "Work in Progress" per RFC 2026. -- open
  337. # [21:03] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/177
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